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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. New At Spectropop
           From: Spectropop 
      2. Re: Moon / David Marks / the Bell label / Ecology songs
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. Re: the Bell label
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      4. Re: Righteous wannabees
           From: James Botticelli 
      5. Re:  Plant Life
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      6. Re: Sounds British / Ecology songs
           From: Javed Jafri 
      7. "Rock 'n' Roll High School" before "End of the Century"
           From: David A. Young 
      8. Re: Spoonful covers / Ecology songs
           From: Andrew C. Jones 
      9. Mari (and Joey) Christmas
           From: David A. Young 
     10. Sounds British / Ecology songs
           From: Norman 
     11. Re: Moon / David Marks
           From: Richard Havers 
     12. Congratulations!
           From: Keiko Kondo 
     13. Re: Ecology songs / The Archies "Mr. Factory"
           From: Rat Pfink 
     14. Exclusive Bo Diddley/Stones pics
           From: David Blakey 
     15. Morton Downey Jr. and Surf Music
           From: Mike Edwards 
     16. Re: DC5
           From: Mary 
     17. Re: Ecology songs
           From: Simon White 
     18. Sound Waves And Traction
           From: Martin Roberts 
     19. Patti Leatherwood
           From: Bill George 
     20. Re: Spoonful covers / Mr. Sebastian
           From: James F.  Cassidy 
     21. Re: the Knickerbockers
           From: Neil Hever 
     22. Re: Brit Wannabes/Bee Gees/Klaatu?
           From: Mark Frumento 
     23. It's Only Love
           From: Simon White 
     24. Re: Ecology songs
           From: Bill George 
     25. Re: The Knickerbockers and the Righteous Knight Brrothers
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:19:48 -0000
   From: Spectropop 
Subject: New At Spectropop

Dear Members,

New at Spectropop Recommends: SOUND WAVES AND TRACTION,
Volumes 1 and 2, by Stephen J. McParland.

Lovers of Surf, Drag and all things West Coast should be
aware that the world's leading authority on the subject
has just published two new books. Kingsley Abbott has
reviewed them for us:

http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index.htm#SoundWaves

Enjoy,

The Spectropop Team



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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Moon / David Marks / the Bell label / Ecology songs Yeah! Mark's rejoined the Beach Boys for a while when Mike Love was trying to prop up his claim to the name (there had to be 3 Beach Boys in the band to have the name). Marks has his own website that talks about his time in the band. My Bell single of the The Birdwatchers "I'm Gonna Do It To You" is great! How about Quicksilver's "Fresh Air" and Steve Forbert's "Good Planets Are Hard To Find". Did Plastic World really record a tune called "Tommy Roe"? Always dug their rock opera "Kneel Sedaka!" Plus David Ackles' "Subway To the Country". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:36:18 -0800 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: the Bell label > I think there's hundreds more artist hopefuls who contributed their > pop, folk and rock talents to Bell during that time. Both Jeff > Glenn and Jeff Lemlich are no doubt familiar with many more of them! Yeah, there are lots and lots of great Bell/Mala/Amy singles out there from the second half of the 60's. I could put together a whole list of stuff that I've comped for myself in the Lost Jukebox series if you're interested. And, for information purposes, I've just placed in the files section of the Spectropop yahoo group site an updated text document with the complete track listings/credits for all 114 Lost Jukebox CD's (so far :-) ). Just reading through them is an education in itself. Have fun with it! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:45:35 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Righteous wannabees Steve Harvey on the Knickerbockers: > However, listen to their tune "Wishful Thinking" and it sounds like > Bill and Bobby, the Righteous Brothers. No wonder when Medley split > Bobby took the singer from the Knickerbockers to replace him. Some say The Righteous Bros were white versions of The Knight Brothers ("Temptation's Out To Get Me"). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:02:15 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Plant Life Jeffrey Glenn: > ...Plant Life 45...If you mean "Flower Girl"/"Say It Over Again" by > Plant Life on Date 2-1572 (1967), then no, neither side is > ecologically oriented. The A-side is a great catchy late 60's pop/ > rock song which nicks the riff from "Friday On My Mind" to good > effect. I've seen this listed in Ron Dante discographies as him > singing the lead, and although it does sound quite a bit like him, > this was a real band from Orlando, FL (though the record must have > been made in New York as it was produced by Al Kasha). I'm guessing > that Jeff L. will jump in here with more info. :-) Well if you insist :) Plant Life was actually the Go Mads from Orlando. The record label changed their name, so they had to roll with the flow. "Flower Girl" deserved to be a huge hit; as Jeffrey said, it was very much influenced by the Easybeats. Plant Life made some other recordings while in New York, but they were never released and their whereabouts are unknown. A couple members of the band joined Tommy Talton of We The People, and Scott Boyer of the 31st of February in the 70s country-rock band Cowboy. There's a thread about Plant Life (including a photo, and an mp3 of "Flower Girl") on my site. Here's the direct link: http://pub64.ezboard.com/flimestoneloungefrm7.showMessage?topicID=9.topic Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:02:59 -0500 From: Javed Jafri Subject: Re: Sounds British / Ecology songs Justin McDevitt: > The Knickerbockers with their late-1965 radio hit "Lies", to many > ears were compared to the Beatles in their sound and vocal style. > A great track, along with their followup, "One Track Mind". You could have a sub genre of American Beatle wannabees from the 60's and the Knickerbockers Lies is definitely one of the best examples if not the best. Here are some others and I know I must be leaving off some obvious ones: She's The One/The Chartbusters Pretty Things/The Blue Things Stop Get A Ticket/The Clefs Of Lavender Hill I Love You/The People (yes, I know it's a Zombies song). I Wonder/The Gants Time Will Show The Wiser/The Merry-Go-Round I Can't Do It/The E-Types 730 Guided Tour/The Five Americans (Actually sounds like the Beatles meet the sunshine pop sound). From "r13dodo": > Thanks for the ideas. Here are the ones I found so far: > ...Beach Boys-Don't Go Near The Water... And on the same album, A Day In The Life of a Tree, a rare non-group lead vocal by Jack Riley and some additional vocals by Van Dyke Parks. Javed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:33:39 +0000 From: David A. Young Subject: "Rock 'n' Roll High School" before "End of the Century" Allow me, please, to further explore a question hanging 'round since digest 700, when Mick Patrick asked whether the pre-"End of the Century" version of The Ramones' "Rock 'n' Roll High School" was available on CD. Dave Swanson correctly pointed out that, at least somewhere in the world, the original soundtrack CD is in print (although whether it's an import or not may depend upon where you live!). Eddy Smit posited that it may also be on the "Hey Ho Let's Go!" anthology, but that may be TOO pre-"End of the Century" for Mick. The credits for that release (which also apply to its inclusion of the soundtrack's other Spector-remixed song, "I Want You Around") read, "original Ed Stasium mixes from the 'Rock 'N' Roll High School' original motion picture soundtrack (previously unissued)." If that version of R'n'RHS was previously unissued, though, then what of the version included on the much earlier compilation "Ramones Mania"? Credits for that one read, "previously unreleased stereo movie mix." So, if Mick's looking for the Spector remix, the answer's easy. But can anyone tell the alleged difference between the other two releases? (Sorry, but "three seconds" is not going to be considered an acceptable response.) David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew C. Jones Subject: Re: Spoonful covers / Ecology songs Spoonful covers: A Texas group called Friday and the Girls did a gender- changed (and age-changed) version of "Younger Girl," which they retitled "An Older Boy." It was on a Collectables CD, "We Had The Beat!: Texas Girls of the 60s.". Ecology songs: The Archies did a song called "Mister Factory," but I don't know if that was ever released on record or just done on the show. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:52:21 +0000 From: David A. Young Subject: Mari (and Joey) Christmas Happy holidays to all! We had a Mari Wilson thread going here a few months back, and I'd like to do a seasonal resuscitation of it in hopes that someone can help me find something I've been in search of for all too close to twenty years. I understand that she recorded a version of her hit "Just What I Always Wanted" with revamped, Christmasized lyrics. I can't remember now, but maybe it was a TV appearance or music video, maybe a flexi or an audiocassette. It wasn't a conventional record or CD as I recall. I'd be happiest of all to get my hands on a recording in any format (musica, anyone?), but would settle for more specific information so that I at least know what I'm looking for. Speaking of music dubbed from videotape, I sent a copy of "The Big TNT Show" to our Team and requested that they make Joan Baez's live recording of "You've Lost that Lovin' Feeling" (piano accompaniment and overall musical direction by Phil Spector) available to the group via musica, so watch for it there soon! In other Christmas news, a visit to the link below leads me to believe that this very day saw the release of a Joey Ramone version of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" featuring Ronnie Spector on background vocals. I hate to be a day late, but you can be sure that I'm off to the shop tomorrow! http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=OBDF8IOW77&ean=60768458925 Cheers, David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:35:56 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Sounds British / Ecology songs In 1965 the Beau Brummels always reminded me of the Searchers, or that sort of British stuff borrowed from the Byrds etc. I remember them being played a lot down here. Laugh Laugh and Just A little made the top forty. They were a breath of fresh air. Then there was Lies by the Knickerbockers, a record which generated media hype about the group possibly "being" the fab four. In my hometown they reached the top ten with Lies but only top 30 with One Track Mind. Klatuu caused some interest but I never bought into the crap so I know very little about them. Of course, by culture, the Bee Gees, were bound to sound British. Mark Frumento in an earlier posting (Feb 2002): > The first 3 to 4 Bee Gees albums are GREAT pop records (of course many > will argue they continued to be great a pop act long after that. But > these earlier records really proved their creative songwriting > abilities, their inventiveness and a knack for memorable melodies. One of my favourites from this era is "Claustrophobia" (I get claustrophobia cos there's too many boys on your mind)! Not just the words but the sound is brilliant. A great compilation for those interested in early Bee Gees is 'The Birth of Brilliance - The Bee Gees 1963 - 1966' original released by Festival Records on the Infinity label in 1978. I imagine it would have found its way to CD by now. This compilation features Lennon-McCartney's "You Won't See Me". Jumping across to Ecology Songs "Down By The River" by Albert Hammond is a great one from the early 70s. And anything Jimmy Buffett has to offer on the subject. Even "Come Monday" had a line or two about 'haze". Maybe Jonathan King's Good News Week and Everyone's Gone to the Moon may fit into the category! Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:37:08 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Moon / David Marks Steve Harvey wrote: > Yeah! Mark's rejoined the Beach Boys for a while when Mike Love > was trying to prop up his claim to the name (there had to be 3 > Beach Boys in the band to have the name). Marks has his own > website that talks about his time in the band. Your assertion about Mike's claim to the groups name and having to have three BBs to secure it is entirely false. Sure David was in the band for a while, and for much of that time was in pretty bad shape. Thankfully David is a lot better now and working on his own projects. Don't fall into the trap of 'Love the villain' ......it's peddling one of the great rock 'n roll myths. Best Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:03:51 -0000 From: Keiko Kondo Subject: Congratulations! Happy holidays to all Spectropoppers. December 11th is Jamie LaPage's birthday, and now members are 800!! It is great birthday present for him. I think he would want to say Thank you for all members and the admin team. Keep on making this group more interesting! Sincerely, KK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:52:57 -0500 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Ecology songs / The Archies "Mr. Factory" > Ecology songs: The Archies did a song called "Mister Factory," but I > don't know if that was ever released on record or just done on the show. "Mr. Factory" was on The Archies' Sunshine LP. RP -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:29:59 -0000 From: David Blakey Subject: Exclusive Bo Diddley/Stones pics Exclusive pics of rock & roll founding father Bo Diddley backstage with Mick, Keith & Ronnie in Miami, FL October 2002: http://www.turnup-root.com/bosconcerto.htm David Blakey, Webmaster, Bo Bo Diddley's Turnup Root http://www.turnup-root.com/ The Official Bo Diddley Website -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:02:03 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Morton Downey Jr. and Surf Music From time to time, we read in Spectropop about artists who are seriously underrated. Justifiably, Brain Hyland, Helen Miller and those on the Ripples CDs have been tagged as such in recent messages. But aren't we overlooking one person: Morton Downey Jr.? A visit to his website http://mortondowneyjr.com/mortondowney.html reveals the following: > As a young man he held a number of jobs, including special assistant > on Capitol Hill, businessman, author, radio host, singer and > songwriter. Among his most successful songs were the 1960s surf > hits "Wipeout" and "Pipeline". "Wipeout" and "Pipeline" were great "songs" and for Mort not to have received his credit for them in the rock media is shameful. Mort's reticent personality is the most probable explanation for this. To make amends, let's all make an entry in his guestbook right now! Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:50:57 -0000 From: Mary Subject: Re: DC5 My Sis and I saw DC5 in concert in the 60's. And yes that was Dave playing the drums as in the records.Last time I saw Dave he was doing reruns of Ready Steady Go on cable. Mary -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:08:25 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Ecology songs A couple of 70's soul things... This Air I Breathe - The O'Jays When The Fuel Runs Out - Chuck Jackson / The Ambitions / Executive Suite And not sure whether these count as ecology or not. The Night The Lights Went Out - The Trammps New York In The Dark - The Ad Libs > Lovers of Surf, Drag and all things West Coast should be > aware that the world's leading authority on the subject > has just published two new books. Kingsley Abbott has > reviewed them for us: > http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index.htm#SoundWaves When you say "Drag" what EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN ??? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:04:22 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Sound Waves And Traction Just read Kingsley's Spectropop Recommends review of Stephen McParland's "Sound Waves And Traction" 2 volume set http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index.htm#SoundWaves and I must add my "Hear, hear". These books are two more wonderful additions to Stephen's growing library and reputation. At least one of his books must cover some artist you have an interest in. I urge you to take the plunge and send your US dollars to the land that "down under". As a first purchase it would be hard to beat "Bull Sessions With The Big Daddy" - 24 shortish 3-6 page interviews with the likes of Denny Aaberg, Davie Allan & Jim Pewter, Kim Fowley, Danny Hamilton, David Marks, Gary Zekley etc, etc. Ron Weeks on his fab Gary Usher site has a page that gives all the information you need to purchase your books: http://www.garyusher.com/cmusic.html Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:31:46 EST From: Bill George Subject: Patti Leatherwood All this talk lately of Toni Wine, Chips Moman, et. al. got me wondering if anyone has heard of Patti Leatherwood. She apparently recorded an album with the Memphis sound circa 1970 that was never released. I am in touch with her ex-husband Alan. He sent me a recording of them performing a Jackie DeShannon song from the late 60s. But he has no idea whatever became of her. The little I've heard is quite good. Another one that fell through the cracks. Anyone? -Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:53:09 -0500 From: James F. Cassidy Subject: Re: Spoonful covers / Mr. Sebastian Jeffrey Glenn beat me to it! I remember "Mr. Sebastian" by The Distant Cousins being played on WORC-AM in Worcester, Mass when I was a lad. "Mister Sebastian of the Loooooovin' Spoonful, write me a love song real soooooft and tuneful!" IIRC, it worked in bits of "Daydream" and "Younger Girl," too, didn't it, Jeff? Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:27:11 -0000 From: Neil Hever Subject: Re: the Knickerbockers Popsters, Certainly "Just one girl" and "High on love" rate well as British inspired pop. "High on love" is a tremendous track with its rolling drums, harmony vocals and pulsing lead guitar. It is high energy to be sure! I always thought the Tom Hanks film featuring The Wonders could have used the Knickerbockers singles as the soundtrack instead of the slightly limp material they passed off as 60s pop. Does anybody know if the Knickerbockers Challenge records material is in print? Thanks, Neil Hever -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:12:52 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Brit Wannabes/Bee Gees/Klaatu? Freeman Carmack wrote: > Another American band....this time from SOUTH America, Argentina, > I believe, with a penchant for Beatlesque flourishes; We All Together Cool to see someone else bring We All Together up! They don't get a lot of recognition but their two albums are really full of great Lennon/McCartney-esque pop. They probably lean toward the McCartney side of the sound which appeals to me. The best thing about them is that the songs hold up and are in no way copies of the Beatles. The reissues of their two LPs are still around too and really deserve more publicity. Check this out: http://www.incarock.com/inca_rock/ircd/cd2.htm Norman wrote: > Klatuu caused some interest but I never bought into the crap so I > know very little about them. I take it you mean "hype" instead of "crap"? Klaatu, if you got past the hype, are really a good group for 4 of their 5 LPs. That's assuming you like late period sytles Beatle-pop. Sad that they will always be the band who pretended to be the Beatles when that was not what they had intended. They were also releasing 60s/early 70s pop at a time no one wanted it... then they had the audacity to release a concept album! They were 10 years too late. > Of course, by culture, the Bee Gees, were bound to sound British. Technically they were British, I believe. Once they moved back to the UK I take it that their releases were considered British? > One of my favourites from this era is "Claustrophobia" That is a great song as are some of their other Beatle knock-offs on "Birth of Brilliance" like "Coalman." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:46:40 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: It's Only Love This week I finally got a 45 I first heard in 1969 as a very young man and hadn't heard since - Tony Blackburn "It's Only Love" MGM 1467. Not a difficult record to find, however one that I never saw anywhere. The writers are Cordell / Trimachi/ Levy which makes me think there was a U.S. version although I cant find one listed. The song is registered as "It's Only Love Trying To Get Through". Anyone? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:35:54 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Ecology songs Ecology songs: Don't forget "Dirty Water". I remember hearing this song in the 70s in my hometown of San Jose California. I don't know who the artist was, but they had dubbed in "San Jose you're my home" on the track. =Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:31:27 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: The Knickerbockers and the Righteous Knight Brrothers Neil Hever: > Does anybody know if the Knickerbockers Challenge records material > is in print? I imagine there are several CDs by this group extant. One'd probably be hard pressed to beat "Rave Up With The Knickerbockers" on Big Beat. Click below for a full tracklist: http://216.15.202.119/cgi-bin/SearchCatNo.asp?intSite=1&lngID=181478 James Botticelli: > Some say The Righteous Bros were white versions of The Knight > Brothers ("Temptation's Out To Get Me"). "Temptation 'Bout To Get Me" is a great record. However, it entered the Billboard chart in May 1965, six months after the Righteous Brothers' "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'". The Righteous Brothers were formed in 1962, a year before the Knight Brothers. So, I can't help wondering in what way Bill Medley and Bobby Hatfield can be considered to be "the white version" of Richard Dunbar and Jerry Diggs, the Knight Brothers? Now, if the righteous twosome had been described as the "caucasian Don & Dewey" - originators of "Justine", "Ko Ko Jo" and "Big Boy Pete" - I would have had no choice but to totally agree. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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