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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
                  http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm
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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re:Toni Wine / Alzo Fronte
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      2. Re: Pitney & Sedaka
           From: Mikey 
      3. More Toni tunes?
           From: Scott T 
      4. Re: Pitney, Sedaka & Wine
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      5. Bergen White / The OTHER Wall Of Sound
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      6. Re: Peter James Proby?
           From: Scott Swanson 
      7. Re: Phil Spector's Xmas Album
           From: Elisabeth 
      8. Re: DC5
           From: Peter Lerner 
      9. Re: Opportunity / Walk  Don't Run
           From: Steve Harvey 
     10. Re: Pitney & Sedaka
           From: Phil Milstein 
     11. Re: PJ, PJ & JP
           From: Martin Roberts 
     12. Calling New Zealand
           From: Mike Edwards 
     13. Re: Alzo Fronte / Bergen White
           From: Luis Suarez 
     14. The Shaggy Boys
           From: Andrew Jones 


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:22:34 -0000
   From: Jeff Lemlich 
Subject: Re:Toni Wine / Alzo Fronte

Alzo Fronte wrote:
> Hello, I am Alzo from Alzo & Udine ....I came upon this chat about 
> us.... you all have many questions I would love to answer and 
> still have great album and new that no one has heard...

Welcome to the group Alzo!   I'm sure we'll have loads of questions 
for you in the very near future!

Mike Edwards wrote:
> I guess everyone knows that Toni cut a Christmas 45, "My Boyfriend's 
> Coming Home For Christmas" on Colpix in 1963. Looks like it was her 
> first 45.

Yet another obscure 45 to receive airplay on WQAM in Miami... reaching 
#41 on the local hit parade, for the week ending December 28, 1963.

Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com




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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:02:42 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Pitney & Sedaka Bob Rashkow: > I'm really glad Pitney did "IHTBIL" altho I have the utmost > respect both for the Great Gene and for Sedaka. '62 must have > been the year that Neil Sedaka switched from Screen Gems to > forming Aldon Music with Greenfield (am I getting this right?! > I'm aware he stayed on the RCA label until approx. '67 as a > singer!) Actually Bobster, you have some of the facts screwed up: Neil Sedaka and Howie Greenfield were songwriting parters. They had no ownership in Aldon Music, which was owned by Al Nevins and Don Kirshner. Neil was signed as an artist and a songwriter to Aldon Music, who placed him with RCA where he had a long string of hits. Kirshner sold Aldon to Screen Gems c.1963. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:05:29 -0000 From: Scott T Subject: More Toni tunes? Hi Allan, First of all, thanks for making yourself available to us as a source of information. And Toni, too. Can you please ask Toni which of her songs has been most recorded (after "Groovy Kind of Love"). Also, were any of the following Wine compositions recorded and released. If so, by whom? TOMORROW MORNING (w/ Art Kornfeld) TWO SHIPS PASSING IN THE NIGHT THE MORNING AFTER THE NIGHT BEFORE A CHANGE OF HEART SHE DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE NOVEMBER MONDAY SWEET, GENTLE NIGHTTIME IF WE BOTH HOLD ON (Don Charles, who introduced me to Toni's music, beat me to this one!! :) ) TAKE A GIRL LIKE YOU LOVE A MY LIFE STAIN ON MY JACKET YOU WERE THE WORDS, I WAS THE MUSIC BIP BIP BAM SOFT LIGHTS One last question: I read in a book on country music that Dottie West recorded at least one of Toni's songs, but I have never found a Wine composition on any of Dottie's albums. What was the song? (I have suspected this was the writer's error and perhaps he confused Dottie and Dodie West--who recorded "Living in Limbo" back in '72.) Please clear this up me. Thanks, Allan and Toni. Thanks! Scott T. in Houston -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:42:08 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Pitney, Sedaka & Wine This is a revelation for me! "Hurts" has been one of my favorites of Gene's since I heard it in the 70's on a oldies show as a teenager. I'm guessing the drums are by Buddy Saltzman - they sound just like his drumwork on his many 4 Seasons hits. Neil and RCA tossed away a huge hit here (I would love to hear the orginal demo if it exists). I wondered what Neil thought after it hit? On a totally different subject I downloaded this month a 60s radio commerical about "Soft Drinks in Tin Cans" from a fellow collector. The female lead vocalist sounds real familar. I've played it to musica - any help/guesses would be appreciated! Thanks! Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:21:05 -0500 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Bergen White / The OTHER Wall Of Sound California sunshine pop meets Nashville cats in "It's Over Now" by Bergen White... now playing on musica. This is far more sophisticated than the 45-minutes-max-per-song assembly line work White did for the Hit label -- although "Bless You Little Girl" by Bobby & Buddy (Hit 180) isn't too far removed vocally. I'd like to hear some other cuts from White's SSS International album, if anyone has any they'd like to share. Ken Silverwood wrote: > Hello all, Can anyone help out with further info on two tracks I possess, > they are "Ya Gotta Take A Chance" by Bonnets on Unical 3010 from 1964 & > "Hang On" by the Wall Of Sound on either Big Bird or Tower... I don't have the Wall Of Sound record, but I do have it on a tape of Wigan Casino spins that were popular in the 70s for English d.j. Richard Searling. To me, this record has that late '65 "Shindig!" sound, from its Righteous Brothers styled vocals, to its big beat. Just the sort of thing that was huge at Wigan! Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:13:51 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Peter James Proby? My 2 cents... "You Won't Forget Me" definitely sounds like P.J. Proby "Opportunity" sounds a little less like P.J. (although I'm curious - was this song released before or after Proby appeared on the TV show "Opportunity Knocks"??) "Stage Door" doesn't sound much like Proby....until.... right at 1:50, when he lets out a classic Proby-style wail. So now I don't know. Now I'm just patiently waiting for someone to play Peter James' "People Say" to musica. :) I just discovered something interesting: there's a second version of the Peter James song "People Say". This one was released in the U.K. by a chap named Johnny Peters (Decca F 12172, June 1965 - within a month of Peter James' version). The A-side is "When You Ask About Love" (Sonny Curtis/Jerry Allison). Both tracks were produced by Andrew Oldham. Hmmm. Johnny Peters, Peter James. JP-PJ. Think they're one and the same? Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:20:59 -0000 From: Elisabeth Subject: Re: Phil Spector's Xmas Album A couple of weeks ago, Keith mentioned that A Christmas Gift for You was being advertised on tv, but that he hadn't seen the advert himself. I finally caught this ad tonight on Channel 4 and nearly choked on my chardonnay! It's more Carry On than Wall of Sound... girls in cheap Santa outfits and ugly modern go go boots dancing "ironically" with a leering Santa. The songs are buried behind a horrible booming voiceover. Just let me at the marketing twit who thought up this monstrosity, please! Is it so much to ask for a bit of class? Sigh. Elisabeth x -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:46:34 -0000 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: DC5 Folks, I'm sorry to be slow getting to this thread, and I'm not the greatest DC5 fan alive but........ Scott Swanson: > .......drummer Bobby Graham, and he confirmed that Dave Clark > used session drummers on many (but not all) of the DC5 records > from 1963 onwards. Bobby even told me about one instance where > Clark invited reporters to a session to "prove" that he really > played drums on his own records -- as soon as the reporters left, > Clark brought Bobby in from another room and the session resumed! Mikey > I dont believe a word of it...the drums on the DC5 records are > so SIMPLE, what need was there to use a session guy? I think Bobby > Graham WISHES he played on those records.... I've just had an email from "legendary session drummer Bobby Graham", who incidentally is a very nice guy, who says yes indeed it was he who drummed on those early DC5 records. My next question to Bobby is who was the singer on Jimmy Page's Fontana 45 of "She just satisfies". Even money that it was Jimmy's current girlfriend and songwriting partner Jackie DeShannon? Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Opportunity / Walk Don't Run Is this tune "Opportunity" the same one on the Eddie Cochran double from the 1970s. It has Eddie playing guitar while a duo is singing in a very close to the Everlys style. One of the singers was Jewel Akins. Always loved the tune, but for some reason it is never reissued on all those Eddie CDs that are coming out. Richard Tearle: > ......the two 'myths' about PJ: 1) that he used to 'demo' for > Elvis, and 2) that he wrote "Walk Don't Run" for the Ventures > under the name of Jim Smith... Nobody wrote "Walk Don't Run" for the Ventures. They got it off a Chet Atkins record and streamlined it. (Admin Note: P. J. Proby's real name is James Marcus Smith. "Walk Don't Run" was written by Johnny Smith who recorded the original version of the song on an LP in 1958........Spectropop Moderator). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:21:28 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Pitney & Sedaka Mikey wrote: > Actually Bobster, Neil Sedaka and Howie Greenfield were songwriting > parters. They had no ownership in Aldon Music, which was owned by > Al Nevins and Don Kirshner. Neil was signed as an artist and a > songwriter to Aldon Music, who placed him with RCA where he had a > long string of hits. Kirshner sold Aldon to Screen Gems c.1963. Easy mistake to make: I always thought Kirschner and Sedaka looked a lot alike. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:53:59 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: PJ, PJ & JP Scott Swanson said: > Now I'm just patiently waiting for someone to play Peter James' > "People Say" to musica. :) > I just discovered something interesting: there's a second version > of the Peter James song "People Say". This one was released in the > U.K. by a chap named Johnny Peters (Decca F 12172, June 1965 - > within a month of Peter James' version). The A-side is "When You > Ask About Love" (Sonny Curtis/Jerry Allison). Both tracks were > produced by Andrew Oldham. Hmmm. Johnny Peters, Peter James. JP-PJ. > Think they're one and the same? Thanks Scott, I knew I had a UK version of "People Say"! I love the production ALO did on "When You ask About Love" but the B Side suffers from a weak vocal - a PJ he ain't! Sorry. Peter James' version is now playing on musica. Martin PS Surely someone has a copy of this 45 with production credits?! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:59:18 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Calling New Zealand Would the member from New Zealand (I believe the city was Dunedin) with whom I was corresponding, please contact me off list. I have misplaced both your e-mail and regular mail addresses. (Hint - you kindly took the trouble to advise me that there was a US version of Deano's "Baby, Let Me Be Your Baby" by Patti Jerome). Thanks, Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:07:03 -0000 From: Luis Suarez Subject: Re: Alzo Fronte / Bergen White Welcome Alzo. Thanks for the link to your website. I'm a big fan of your records. One question - What's the story behind your 2nd solo album? Are we ever going to see it's release? Jeff Lemlich wrote: > I'd like to hear some other cuts from White's SSS International > album, if anyone has any they'd like to share. I've posted "The Bird Song" from "For Women Only" to musica. I just recently bought this record and it's all I've been listening to! Bergen White has a gorgeous voice - Too bad he didn't make any other Lp's in this vein. Someone mentioned that he had some non-Lp 45 sides around the same time. I'd love to know the titles and labels so I can keep an eye out. Thanks, Luis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:26:25 -0000 From: Andrew Jones Subject: The Shaggy Boys I have before me one of my most recent vinyl acquisitions: a United Artists promo 45 of "Behind Those Stained Glass Windows" by The Shaggy Boys. I have not been able to find out any more about this group, but the song is written by T. Michaels and V. Gorman (the same guys who helped write the Shangri-Las' "Dressed In Black," I presume) and produced by Michaels, Gorman and Morton (Shadow, I presume). Anyone know anything about this group or this record? Were the Shaggy Boys just a nom-de-disc for Michaels & Gorman (and maybe Morton, too)? Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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