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Spectropop - Digest Number 686

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The, not that group!
           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Re: Joey Levine & The Archies
           From: Allan Rinde 
      3. Re: Mina
           From: Vincent Degiorgio 
      4. Ring a Ding / Trad Dad
           From: Bill Reed 
      5. Shangri-La's, Hazlewood, Craig Douglas
           From: Country Paul 
      6. Re: The Rock Flowers
           From: Simon White 
      7. Re: Shangri-Las CDs
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      8. Re: Girl Group Acetates / Toni Wine
           From: Mick Patrick 
      9. Re: Allan Rinde + Toni Wine
           From: Artie Wayne 
     10. Where Does A Rock & Roll Singer Go
           From: Allan Rinde 
     11. Bobby Russell
           From: Eddy Smit 
     12. Yank, Yank, Yankee!
           From: Steve Harvey 
     13. Toni Wine, Chiffons, Ronnie Spector
           From: Allan Rinde 
     14. re: Yank, Yank, Yankee!
           From: Mike Edwards 
     15. Re: Shangri-Las CDs
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     16. Re: Bobby Russell
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     17. Re: Bobby Russell
           From: Dan Hughes 
     18. Toni Wine & Carla Thomas
           From: Mick Patrick 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:33:58 -0000
   From: Mick Patrick 
Subject: The, not that group!

We all know and love THE BLOSSOMS, right? Well, allow me to 
quote a few words written by my pal Andrew Rix in a recent CD 

In 1958, a quartet of girls christened themselves the Tropicals 
and began to perform in local Washington DC clubs. Their 
repertoire consisted of many of the hits songs of the day and 
old favourites that would get an audience up on their feet. The 
group, all hailing from the DC area, consisted of sisters Jacqui 
and Vicki Burton and their longtime friends Jeanette Talley and 
Roberta Miller. What the girls wanted more than anything was to 
get a recording deal and become stars, but their first break was 
a long time coming. 

In 1962 they were seen by Clyde Otis, who offered them his 
services as their manager and secured a contract for them with 
Okeh Records. Before their first visit to a recording studio, in 
August 1962, a change of name was required, so the girls became 
the Blossoms. The group cut enough tracks for an entire album but 
only one single, "I'm In Love", was released. The 45 failed to 
make any impression and the girls were released from their 

Despite their immense disappointment, they continued to tread the 
boards. When they heard about the formation of the new Shrine 
label, they went along to get themselves a piece of the action. By 
this time Roberta had retired due to ill health, leaving the 
remaining trio to sign with Shrine. A change of name was required 
to distinguish them from Darlene Love's West Coast group, so the 
girls became the DC Blossoms...

I can feel repetitive stress injury starting to kick in; to read 
the rest of the story, see a great picture of the DC Blossoms and 
hear two tracks by the group, you'll have to buy CDKEND 190 (see 
below). But in the meantime, here's a Discography:

The Blossoms:
"I'm In Love" / "What Makes Love" (Okeh 7162, 1962)

The DC Blossoms:
"I Know About Her" / "Hey Boy" (Shrine 107, 1966)

On CD:
"I Know About Her"
on "Shrine: The Rarest Soul Label" (Kent CDKEND 160)
"Hey Boy" and "This Is Your Last Chance"
on "Shrine: The Rarest Soul Label, Volume 2" (Kent CDKEND 190)

For more information, click here:
or here:

(with thanks to Andy Rix)

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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:20:12 -0000 From: Allan Rinde Subject: Re: Joey Levine & The Archies Stuffed Animal wrote: > Does your wife remember singing background with Ellie Greenwich > on Archies records? Singer/songwriter Joey Levine has claimed > that he sang background on some Archies sessions in a group that > included Ellie Greenwich, Toni Wine and Jamie Carr. Ron Dante has > denied this, and neither Jeff nor Ellie remember clearly (Jeff > thinks maybe so, Ellie thinks maybe not). Can she put this > controversy to rest? Don: Here's what Toni had to say on this - "Although I did oodles of sessions with Joey Levine, Ellie Greenwich, Ronnie Dante and Billy Carr (aka Jamie Carr), all of us as a unit never sang together as the Archies. If we did sing together - at the same time on the same session - it would have been strictly as background vocals, possibly even for a Jeff Barry production, but not for an Archies session." Allan Rinde -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:04:46 -0800 From: Vincent Degiorgio Subject: Re: Mina > Mina has a great website. Better brush up on your Italian: > It's all about Attila Mina, her unbelievable version of "Don't You Ever Take Your Love Away" which is the perfect candle-lit dinner record, and the blistering "Tiger Bay" arranged by the great Celso Valli. Brilliant and timeless Vince -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Reed Subject: Ring a Ding / Trad Dad Mike Edwards: > Anyone looking for a synopsis and review of this film > [It's Trad Dad/Ring a Ding Rhythm] should go to the > Internet Movie Database, where someone has posted a very > solid review: Or they can consult my and David Ehrenstein's book, "Rock On Film": "Shapiro and Douglas play small town British teens trying to overcome the usual local fogies' resistance to both pop/rock AND trad jazz. Although several notches below [Richard] Lester's later 'A Hard Day's Night', his first film shows lots of little touches around the edges which finally sprang forth full-blown a couple of years later in that classic Beatles film debut. In 'Ring a Ding', the director tried to pump some visual energy into an otherwise standard British vaudeville - which called upon the services of both trad players and rockers, i.e. Shannon, Bonds, Checker, Vincent." Bill Reed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 03:22:58 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Shangri-La's, Hazlewood, Craig Douglas John Grecco's Shangri-La's article is absolutely fascinating! What an amazing story. One wonders if they - and other hitmakers from independent labels or outside producers - would have had different later careers on labels with a better re-issue follow-through. The Lee Hazlewood Ace Records promotional article was also a treat. The book-length version must be a true treasure. Any chance of talking someone into posting the Suzi Jane Hokum pinup? Are there any CD collections of Hazlewood's production work at Jamie and elsewhere aside from Duane Eddy - like Sanford Clark (particular the Jamie tracks), Connie Conway, etc.? Interesting to this Yank (from the northeastern US, so the term fits) to see a mention of Craig Douglas. I have an early 60s 45 of his on London, "Love Her While She's Young". Was this a hit? And was he a major artist or actor in the UK? "Social notes": Welcome to Allan Rinde - and hopefully to Toni Wine. It's "first person" authorities like you who make this group rise above most. I'm enjoying and looking forward to more of your contributions....Martin Roberts, you're very welcome ....Phil C., be back to you off-list soon. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:29:55 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: The Rock Flowers Out of interest, The Rock Flowers "Number Wonderful", Wheel 0032, (which I foolishly passed on to someone else in a fit of misplaced something) was later done by Jay And The Techniques under the title "Number Onederful" and the UK's own Pickittywitch (the flip of this is a great Dionne Warwick soundalike). The orginal seems to be by 'Silver Lining' - anyone know who they were? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:29:04 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Shangri-Las CDs The best Shangri-La's compilations I found are RPM's "Myrmidons of Melodrama", which has all the Red Bird Hits, and Mercury's "Best The Shangri-Las" which has the 1966-7 sides. Some tracks on Mercury's compilation sound a little brighter and less noise processed than RPM's CD. Stay away from the budget compilations - the ones I have bought (and sold off) over the years had muddy sound quality or used remakes (dont know if Mary Wiess was involved in these re-recordings or not?). I also recommend getting Taragon's "The Very Best Of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records", which has several Shangri-Las tracks in superb remixed stereo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:04:33 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Girl Group Acetates / Toni Wine Back in August, Neil Hever wrote: > Folks, I have three "Girl group" acetates. One has been > identified (it came with the sheet music) and the other two > are mysteries! They were at the bottom of a storage closet > where they have languished for over 35 years. The one > identified is Jackie DeShannon "Franklin Street". It is > believed to be her demo with the Wrecking Crew. The other > two titles are on Dick Charles Recording Service NYC acetates > marked "Screen Gems". The titles are "He's Gonna Be Somebody" > and "When This Little Girl Gets Through". They are both up- > tempo, fully arranged demonstrations with female lead vocals, > backing chorus and basic instrumentation and solos. HGBS > sounds like the Cookies and the other track is a little harder > to place. Any ideas? Some might recall that I speculated that Neil's acetate of "When This Little Girl Gets Through" sounded like Toni Wine. Well, we now have Allan Rinde, the lady's husband, among our membership; meaning confirmation, or otherwise, is just an email away... Allan has played the track for Toni and reports: > That is indeed Toni singing, but it's not her song. She was 15 > at the time and thinks the demo was made for Peggy March. It > might be a Phil Kaufman song. I'll check with Jack Keller to > see if he remembers more. Here are a couple of other questions for Toni, if you'd be so kind Allan: What is Toni's real name? Who sang the original demo of "Groovy Kind Of Love"? Thanks in advance. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Allan Rinde + Toni Wine Allan.....It's strange for me to welcome you to Spectropop since you were the one to turn me on to it. I'm glad your voice has become part of the chorus!! I've got a question for Toni. I know that she sometimes sang on 3 or 4 dates a day as a background singer.....were there some days when she sang on more than one hit record? regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:09:35 -0000 From: Allan Rinde Subject: Where Does A Rock & Roll Singer Go Hello all, I've played Artie Wayne's "Where Does A Rock And Roll Singer Go" to musica (in mid-quality stereo VBR, for the technically minded). Enjoy! Allan Rinde -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:16:59 -0000 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Bobby Russell Does anybody have any information on Bobby Russell, mainly known as composer of the Bobby Goldsboro hit "Honey"? A discography mayhaps... Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:20:21 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Yank, Yank, Yankee! Just a bit of history on us Yankees. The term was originally invented by the Dutch to refer to English colonists in the American colonies. The song "Yankee Doodle" (didn't Phil Spector do a demo for the Founding Fathers way back when?) was popular during the French and Indian War when the British troops sang it. Even though it was a spoof on the colonial troops the Yankees liked the song and adopted it for their own (kinda like the Tommies adopting "Lili Marlene" even though Hitler wanted it played to make themhomesick). During WWI Yankees got shortened to Yanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:59:11 -0000 From: Allan Rinde Subject: Toni Wine, Chiffons, Ronnie Spector Artie Wayne wrote: > I've got a question for Toni. I know that she sometimes sang > on 3 or 4 dates a day as a background singer.....were there > some days when she sang on more than one hit record? Toni really loved this one. She says yes, but can't provide specific details with any accuracy. It was a long time ago. I received the following questions from David A Young and Phil Chapman, and since they have surfaced before, I thought a post to the group was in order. 1) Is yours the voice trading vocals with Judy Craig on The Chiffons' "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me"? 2) The "words" to the background chorus in that song sound like "Lovely La-De-Day," which is the name of a never-released song that Ronnie Spector recorded for Apple. Did you write the Ronnie song too, and, if so, with whom? Were you involved in any of her Apple sessions? Toni's answer - "Irwin Levine and I wrote and produced this song for the Chiffons and did it very close to my original demo. I also did a rough vocal for them to learn the song from and Sylvia Peterson sang her part incredibly close to mine. I love the girls and I love that record! The background line you are refering to is "Love Me La De Day" which we did as a hook line for this song. Regarding the Ronnie Spector song, which was entitled "Love Me La De Day," and has nothing to do with "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me", it was written by Irwin, myself and Phil Spector. I did not participate on any of the Apple sessions but I always wished, and still do, that Ronnie's recordings of "Love Me La De Day" and "I Love You Like I Love My Very Life" could see the legal light of day!" 3) Is there anything in the rumour that the Ronettes are part of the backing vocals for "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me"? The backgrounds on "Love Me Like You're Gonna To Lose Me" were done by the Chiffons and Toni. The Ronettes were not involved. The only time Toni and Ronnie sang together was on some (unissued) sides cut in Memphis by Toni's ex, Chips Moman, during Ronnie's Columbia Records period. Unfortunately, we do not have copies of this material. Allan Rinde -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:53:13 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: re: Yank, Yank, Yankee! This reminds me of the title of an Irving Berlin's review, "Yip, Yip, Yaphank (1918), about the army camp that was set up at Yaphank to help mobilize troops for WW1. Yaphank is about ten miles east of me here on Long Island. Apparently, Berlin also wrote God Bless America at the same time but did not include it in the review as the song content was out of keeping with a comedy review. One song that did make it was "Mandy", which was revived by Berlin for his 1954 film, White Christmas. You may recall the big production number in the film "Mandy, there's an orchestra handy" etc. Spectrum records in the UK have on release a CD that combines the soundtracks for Holiday Inn and White Christmas featuring the aforementioned "Mandy": Priced at 7.99 UK pounds, it appears to be pretty good value and I thought you'd like to know. I hope this is what they call a "thread". Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:10:17 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Shangri-Las CDs I was just looking at RPM's website and noticed that the repackaged "Myrmidons of Melodrama" CD now has stereo remixes of several songs. Are these the same remixes that were on the Taragon CD or new ones? BTW I wish someone would dig up all the remaining Shangs multi-tracks and remix them - It would be a thrill to hear tracks that have a very brittle sound like "What Is Love" and "Paradise" remixed. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:27:01 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Bobby Russell Eddy Smit wrote: > Does anybody have any information on Bobby Russell, mainly known > as composer of the Bobby Goldsboro hit "Honey"?... Oh no, not a Bobby Russell question! Someone shut me up before I get down on my knees and testify to the majesty of Nashville pop! Young Bobby led one of Nashville's first teen garage bands, recording for Ted Jarrett & Bill Beasley's Spar label as "Bobby Russell & The Beagles". He then mounted three heads of pop greatness as the early 60s turned into the mid 60s: (1) Recording track after track after track for Jarrett & Beasley's "Hit" label soundalike factory in Nashville... sometimes recording as the Beagles, sometimes the Jalopy Five, sometimes the Chellows, sometimes Ed Hardin! And sometimes a Bobby Russell original would grace a B-side. More on that in a moment. (2) Songwriting: Scoring three hit records in 1966 with "Sure Gonna Miss Her", "The Joker Went Wild", and "Popsicle". (3) "Legitimate" recording sessions: Ronny & The Daytonas with John Buck Wilkin, songwriting partner Buzzy Cason, and fellow "Hit" label superstud, Bergen White; The Communication Aggregation ("Freakout USA") with Cason, to name just a few. And all the while, the Hit/Spar operation is going strong in Nashville, luring in unsuspecting record buyers who don't know the original of "I Will Follow Him" isn't by Connie & Clara! Despite the seemingly cheap nature of the label, the sessions were lucrative, and drew some of the most talented people in Nashville. Guys who'd become big-name producers, such as Russell and White, were joined by Larry Butler, Bill Pursell, and other heavy hitters, operating out of Columbia Recording Studio in Nashville -- with Billy Sherill at the controls! It would not be uncommon for someone who played on an original recording to also play on the "cheapo" Hit label cover. It can be argued that if Hit was a "cover version" label, some artists were covering themselves!!!! Case in point: Bobby Russell... recording his own "Sure Gonna Miss Her" for the label in 1965 as the Chellows (one of several Russell originals that were allowed to grace Hit label B-sides). Later, when Gary Lewis & The Playboys soared up the charts with the song, Hit issued "Sure Gonna Miss Her" a second time -- with what was essentially the original version now masquerading as a cover! (I'm not even going to speculate as to how the Gentrys' "Keep On Dancing" wound up on the label!). In 1967, Bobby Russell and Buzzy Cason started the Elf label, and a year later Russell scored his first solo hit with "1432 Franklin Pike Circle Hero". And as his songwriting career REALLY took off -- with "Honey" and "Little Green Apples" -- leave it to Bill Beasley and Ted Jarrett to feature these songs prominently on Hit label albums! They knew which side their bread was buttered! Now move ahead to 1969, and an album by The Now Generation that's released on Beasley/Jarrett's Spar label. What a mish-mosh of an album! The liners claim the group members include "Phoebe, Unky, and Fatty Ann", but 8 of the 12 songs were written by Bobby Russell -Bergen White, and their voices are all over this thing. And if you really listen closely -- several of the tracks are recycled 1965 Hit label B-sides! Some of these same tracks appeared on the Chords "Groovy Is" album (Modern Sound 562), and several other Modern Sound LPs; these tracks were recycled more than a Charay label B-side! There he is, bloody Bobby Russell singing these songs, while Phoebe, Unky, and Fatty Ann mug for the camera. Oh, and it turns out a member of the Now Generation was some guy named Jimmy Buffett. Nashville pop -- I love it! It's pretty well-known that Bobby Russell had another hit ("Saturday Morning Confusion"), married Vicki Lawrence, wrote "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia", divorced Vicki Lawrence, and died in 1992. But as you can see, that was just a tiny part of his story... Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:27:24 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Bobby Russell On a personal note--Soon after Bobby Russell died, I met (on the net) his high school english teacher. She told me that he was quite a handful in school, and she was shocked that he ever amounted to anything. ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:49:50 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Toni Wine & Carla Thomas For Allan & Toni, Reading Toni's "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" and "Love Me La De Day" stories reminded me of her song "I Loved You Like I Love My Very Life", famously recorded by Carla Thomas, Darlene Love, Ronnie Spector and Toni herself (as a duet with Tony Orlando). That wasn't the only Wine composition cut by Carla Thomas; perhaps explained by the fact that Toni's first husband, Chips Moman, was Carla's producer at the time. I'm thinking of "(I'm Getting) Closer To You", which Toni wrote with, I think, L. Russell Brown. It's a very gorgeous track with a particularly beautiful string arrangement and a very familiar sounding backing vocalist. Did Toni, perhaps, sing on this track? I think I know the answer already. :-) I notice that Carla also recorded some songs written by both Cynthia Weil and Carole King. Obviously, she or her A & R team had a taste for later vintage Screen Gems songs. They certainly suited her style to a T. Anyway, getting back to "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me": the Chiffons were a great group and the record is a work of art. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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