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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
           From: Eric Charge 
      2. Exotica
           From: Doc Rock 
      3. Re: France Gall
           From: Mikey 
      4. Re: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
           From: David Bell 
      5. Re: Jerry Ganey & the Clouds
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Re: "From The Inside"
           From: Artie Wayne 
      7. Re: "Then He Kissed Me"
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      8. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Phil Chapman 
      9. Re: Gamma Goochee
           From: Phil Milstein 
     10. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Artie Wayne 
     11. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     12. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Mick Patrick 
     13. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Mick Patrick 
     14. Boys Cry
           From: Phil Chapman 
     15. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
           From: Mike edwards 
     16. 60s singers
           From: Alan Gordon 
     17. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US origina...
           From: Paul Richards 
     18. Art for Artie's sake
           From: David A. Young 
     19. U.S. songs, no original U.S. record/3000 miles
           From: Ian Chapman 
     20. Re: Songs by US songwriters.......
           From: Ian Chapman 


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:06:25 -0000
   From: Eric Charge 
Subject: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy

Were my old eyes deceiving me, or did I spot the name Doug Morris 
on here a week or two back?

THE one perfect record in my humble collection is the Chiffons' 
"Sweet Talkin' Guy". It has thrilled me right from the time, as 
a schoolkid, I organised the kids in class to sing the different 
backing vocal parts at break times. The record always sounds fresh 
and dynamic.

If Spectropop were able to give out awards for THE most perfect 
record for each of us on here, my choice would be for "Sweet 
Talkin' Guy".

Now, if that really was THE Doug Morris on here, perhaps he could 
share some background information on the making of this wonderful, 
wonderful record.



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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:29:42 -0500 From: Doc Rock Subject: Exotica Si Warronker (Liberty founder) told me that he coined (made up) the word Exotica for Martin Denny. Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:22:38 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: France Gall Tom: > I love that French girlpop by the likes of France Gall, Francoise > Hardy and Claudine Longet. Very hard to find videoclips of them... I have some Scopitones of Francoise Hardy. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:17:22 EST From: David Bell Subject: Re: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy I too love this 45 and am so looking forward to hearing Judy sing it in a couple of weeks time in Buxton. Nobody can beat Lala's perfect girl group voice but Shirley Alston and Judy Craig run her a very close second. Have to agree though that this is one of those "everything but the kitchen sink thrown in" type New York uptown songs, albeit with a touch of the Motown thrown in for good measure. I'd have been on the front row at school singing along with you on this one! David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:04:23 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Jerry Ganey & the Clouds Yours truly: > ...I read recently that Jerry Ganey, of the Bill Medley-produced > "Just A Fool" fame, was previously a member of the Clouds... Peter Richmond http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/ : > I had always thought that Jerry Ganey was the featured vocalist > on the Clouds records but have never been able to confirm this. > In fact I have been unable to find any information on Jerry > Ganey, which is surprising as he has two massive Northern Soul > anthems in "Just A Fool" and "You Don't Love Me". Where did you > read this Mick? Peter, I read about the Clouds in L.A. R&B Vocal Groups by Steve Propes & Galen Gart (Big Nickel Publications, 2001). You might remember me banging on (and on) about this tome some months ago. Check out the website: http://www.lavocalgroups.com The Clouds are just one of hundreds of outfits featured in this great book. Group member Johnny Angel is interviewed. He gives the line-up as: himself, Jerry Graney (note spelling), Little Perry and two others named Larry and Dave. The writer credits of the song "Darling I Love You" (see Discography below) are Coates, Ganey (note spelling), Perry, Dowling and Croft. Armed with LAR&BVG and other reference sources, I have attempted a Clouds Discography. Of course, it's probable that not all of the 45s listed below are by the same group. THE CLOUDS: Rock And Roll Boogie/I Do (Cobra 5001, 1956) Darling I Love You/TV Mix Up (Round 1008, 1959) Baby It's Me/All I Do Is Worry (Skylark 116 1961) A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening/Say Hey Hey (Vous 1000, 1964) My Tears Will Go Away/Night Owl (Medley 1001, 1964) Visions/Magada Bus (Independence 82, 1968) LITTLE SUNNY DAY & THE CLOUDS: Baby Doll/Lou Ann (Tandem 7001, 1961) DONNA DEE & THE CLOUDS: Can't You See/The More I See Him ((Ramada 501, 1961) "TV Mix Up" was a sequel to "Western Movies" by the Olympics. Tandem was a West Coast label owned by Lee Hazlewood. I hope I've been some help Pete. Can I go back to bed now please?! MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: "From The Inside" Lindsay in Oz: > Artie, you wrote a wonderful song called "From The Inside"...There's > just one thing has always driven me nuts: there's a key line I've > never been able to make out on this recording: Lindsay.......Thank you ...Your'e very kind. Although " From the Inside" was covered by Yvonne Elliman, Lynn Anderson and Cilla Black .....the only version that was a hit [top ten Austrailia] was by Marcia Hines. That song is very special to me......it was inspired by my late grandmother. She was a big inspiration to me.....and when things get tough I can still hear her say, "Go on now ........You can do it.......It's only life.....There's nothin' to it!! Just the seein' through it .....From the Inside". regards,Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:13:05 -0700 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: "Then He Kissed Me" Country Paul wrote: > Interesting discussion of the intro to "Then He Kissed Me." I always > thought it to be an assortment of guitars. The same riff, > incidentally, was stolen for the Four Coins' "Boys Cry" on Joy, 1964. And, talking of perfect records, on "Chewy Chewy" by the Ohio Express of course. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:28:41 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record > So, let's start a list of "songs by US songwriters for which there > is no US original". Here's a few that come to mind for which I don't know a US original: That's All I Ever Want From You Baby (Greenwich-Barry)- Mike Berry Come Back And Get This Loving Baby (Van McCoy) - The Chants Live It Up (Leon Huff) - Dusty Springfield I'll Try Anything (Mark Barkan-Vic Milrose) - Dusty Springfield In The Middle Of Nowhere (Bea Verdi-Buddy Kaye) - Dusty Springfield ...I seem to remember Manfred Mann's "Pretty Flamingo" ended up being the original of the Mark Barkan tune due to the song being banned in the US? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:14:13 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Gamma Goochee Guy Lawrence wrote: > I'd love to see the rarer Gamma Goochee tracks on Musica. > I know it's miniscule but can somebody post the complete > discography for the record? As musica is a crowded space, please select one track (other than the "title" song) from the list below, and I will attempt to post it. More can be added later, again upon specific request. --Phil Milstein GAMMA GOOCHEE DISCOGRAPHY: Colpix 786: Gamma Goochee Himself -- (You Got) The Gamma Goochee (wr. Mangiagli; pr. Boyce & Hart and Mangiagli) / I'm Gonna Buy Me A Dog (wr. & pr. Boyce & Hart) Colpix 804: Gamma Goochee Himself -- Sweet Violets (wr. Cohen-Green) / I'm So Glad (She's My Little Girl) (wr. Boyce & Hart; both arr. Gene Page; both pr. Boyce & Hart) MGM K13874: Gamma Goochee -- Everybody's Somebody's Fool (wr. Greenfield-Keller) / Booga-Looa (wr. Mangiagli; both pr. Jack Keller) also by John Mangiagli: Crest 1058: Johnny Donn with The Jazzrockers -- Smog / What Happened Last Night (both wr. Johnny Donn) ?: Johnny Knight -- ? ?: Johnny Marlowe -- ? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record > ...Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Mike.....This will be an interesting subject to research. Off the top of my head there's Mark Barkan's "Pretty Flamingo".....the Magic Lanterns were the first to cut my song "Excuse me baby" [a hit in the UK]....and I wrote "Somewhere my girl is waiting" directly for the Troggs...which was banned and pulled from the market 3 days after it was released as a single in the UK. regards,Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:26:43 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Gary Usher's Hondells cut a version of "Show Me Girl" which ended up as a B-side of their version of "Cheryl's Going Home" on Mercury 72626. They recorded it on June 28th 1966 between 1400 and 1730 hours at Western. Obviously not an original version, since Herman's was two years earlier, but to my ears better and worth searching out - best done via the excellent ATM Records in Germany whose four volumes of Hondells CDs were researched and annotated by Stephen McParland. I can't recall an origianl US version, tho there must have at least been a good CK demo or somesuch for Mickie Most to work from. Now that's one I'd like to hear! Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:46:38 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Good thread, but there was a US version of Goffin/King's "Stage Door". It was by Peter James on Reprise 0383, 1965. Fabulous song. Good record too. As was the Tony Jackson rendition. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:26:59 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record A few more for the list: I'm Alive - The Hollies (Clint Ballard) Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana & the Mindbenders (Clint Ballard) Woe Is Me - Helen Shapiro (Sharon Sheeley/Jackie DeShannon) Forget About The Bad Things - Helen Shapiro (Ora Mae Diamond/Jimmy Radcliffe) The latter is one of the best Brit Girl records I EVER heard! One suspects this thread has legs! MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:01:25 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Boys Cry Country Paul: > The same riff [from "Then He Kissed Me"], incidentally, was > stolen for the Four Coins' "Boys Cry" on Joy, 1964. 1:40 of > pure Mersey sound from what had been more famous as a US > middle-of-the-road close harmony group... This must be the same Kaye/Scott tune that was a hit for Eden Kane (aka Richard Sarstedt, brother of Peter and Robin) in the UK? This is one of my favourite Spector-influenced tracks, and is a rather dark sounding, Merseybeat hybrid. It's available on "Eden Kane - All The Hits And More", Prestige - Elite CDSGP0241 http://www.prestige-elite.com/poprock.htm I've played the first few bars to musica to give you the idea. Avoid the CD "Well I Ask You" on Deram, these are insipid '90s re-recordings. Also played to musica is an obscure UK cover of "Boys Cry" in full Spector style from the late 70s by The Distractions. I'm keen to hear the Four Coins version, any chance of a play to musica? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:05:47 -0000 From: Mike edwards Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record Spencer Leigh's notes that accompanied the Sequel CD, "Some Other Guys" quote Tony Jackson as saying: "Carole King sent me a demo on which she was playing the piano and singing. We used an organ and had a classical-type of piano break. It was a pleasant single." Pleasant it is, but it is not the original. Mick Patrick just pointed out to me that that honor belongs to Peter James on Reprise. So that's one removed from the list. Hopefully members will send in some more songs to replace it. That is songs written by US songwriters for which a British recording was the original version. An example is "Do The Freddie" - I was right about that one. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:13:20 -0800 From: Alan Gordon Subject: 60s singers Billy G Spradlin: > Along with the Turtles' Howard Kaylan, and The Raiders' > Mark Lindsey, Mickey (Dolenz) was one the most underrated > and best lead singers or any USA Band of the 60s. Mickey, Howard and Mark, 03 of the best voices in rock. I've never heard anybody but me say that... and when I do, I get very weird looks. As a bit of an aside: Any time my "younger" girlfriend hears a Mickey Monkee song or a Grace Airplane song, she always asks if it's Grace or Mickey. I had never thought they sounded familiar... but there it is. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:43:29 EST From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US origina... Kenny Young wrote & produced hits for UK artists: "Come Back & Shake Me" for Clodagh Rodgers and "Sssingle Bed", "Imagine Me, Imagine You" & "Only You Can" for the fabulous Fox. I think he's American, he wrote "Under The Boardwalk" & "Captain Of Your Ship" also. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:07:19 +0000 From: David A. Young Subject: Art for Artie's sake Surprised that no one else has already done so, I'd like to jump on the Artie Wayne Welcome Wagon with a mention of 1963's "Where Does a Rock & Roll Singer Go?" written and recorded by Artie on Liberty 55625. Produced by Ed Silvers and arranged by Garry Sherman, the song has always been, in my opinion, a companion piece to Barry Mann's "Teenage Has-Been" from the year before (Artie's voice is actually quite similar to Barry's), but much more fun. (In wondering "Where does a rock 'n' roll singer go when his record's off the charts," Artie muses, "Does he sell i-i-i-ice cream with a dip-da-dip-da- dip-dip of Peppermint Twist?") The bright, punchy production and hooks simply scream Nevins- Kirschner, even though neither they nor Aldon are present except in spirit. I wish I were able to upload this for the group, but I'm not there technologically; perhaps some other kind soul will jump in, because this record captures the essence of Spectropop so nicely. Artie, did you release any other solo records, either under your name or others? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:34:12 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: U.S. songs, no original U.S. record/3000 miles Out of interest, there was another U.S. version of "Stage Door" by the Grads (who became the Sandpipers) on A&M, but it came a year after the Peter James version (surely that was really P.J. Proby, BTW?) Similarly, there was a U.S. recording of "In The Middle Of Nowhere" by Kellie Jackson on Columbia, (arranged and produced by Charlie Calello) which seems to have appeared a year later than Dusty's version. Mikey, I spoke with Brian Hyland a couple of weeks ago after one of his current UK shows, about the "Joker Went Wild" album. He said both Leon Russell and Hal Blaine were on it. He also said he'd read Hal's book. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:45:04 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters....... Paul Richards wrote: > Kenny Young wrote & produced hits for UK artists: "Come Back > & Shake Me" for Clodagh Rodgers and "Sssingle Bed", "Imagine > Me, Imagine You" & "Only You Can" for the fabulous Fox. I think > he's American, he wrote "Under The Boardwalk" & "Captain Of > Your Ship" also. Kenny did indeed write all of those titles you mention, Paul, but he was resident in the UK when he did the Clodagh Rodgers and Fox songs. Not sure, but I think he still is. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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