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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Then He Kissed Me - official!
           From: Phil Chapman 
      2. Re: Wilson Pickett sells Pepsi!  '60s pop groups...
           From: Neil Hever 
      3. Re: Dave Clark to the Max!
           From: "BillyGTexas" 
      4. Re: Singing Bodies
           From: Phil Chapman 
      5. Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads
           From: Artie Wayne 
      6. Re: REALLY bad music
           From: Mary 
      7. Re: REALLY bad music
           From: Phil Milstein 
      8. Re: Dave Clark to the Max!
           From: Mikey 
      9. A Christmas Gift For You
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     10. Re: Artie Wayne
           From: Mick Patrick 
     11. Re: Dave's 5 Hermits
           From: Scott Swanson 
     12. Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads
           From: Phil Milstein 
     13. Re: Dave Clarke Five
           From: Norman 
     14. Re: Singing Bodies
           From: Phil Milstein 
     15. Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads
           From: Mikey 
     16. Re: '60s groups doing ads/Singing Bodies
           From: Phil Chapman 
     17. Re: A Christmas Gift For You
           From: Mikey 
     18. Mark Wirtz stuff
           From: Martin Roberts 
     19. Re: REALLY bad music
           From: Jan Kristensen 
     20. MGM girls / the Clouds
           From: Mick Patrick 
     21. A Scrooge free Christmas
           From: Martin Roberts 
     22. Re: Dave's 5 Hermits
           From: Mikey 
     23. Welcome, Artie Wayne
           From: Ian Chapman 
     24. Welcome Artie Wayne
           From: Ian Chapman 
     25. Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads
           From: Nick Archer 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:11:24 -0000
   From: Phil Chapman 
Subject: Then He Kissed Me - official!

After suggesting we ask another musician on the session, I took 
a look at Carol Kaye's website and spotted "Then He Kissed Me" 
in the list of bass playing credits. Carol is busy preparing her 
new book & CD but is always enthusiastic to discuss technique. 
I sent her an mp3 of the intro, and this is what she had to say:

"Hi Phil, my best to all on the list. Just from the little bit 
I heard, somehow I think I'm playing the elec. 12-string on that, 
not the bass....I played it that way with a lot of attack...had 
some powerful pickups in my Gretsch 6-string changed over to the 
elec. 12-string I always used on dates." 

"Barney Kessel and I started at the same time, the ONLY studio 
guitarists who electrified the 12-string guitar...no-one saw the 
potential in that until later...hence the modified Gretsch guitar 
with the powerful pickups."

"And that has to be Ray Pohlman on bass, a very soft sound (my 
bass sound was usually pretty hard, I always played hard with a 
hard pick etc., very distinctive sound...Ray always had a soft 
sound, good groover etc..)"

and in a subsequent email:

"Just heard from Russ Wapensky, and according to the contracts it 
was Ray on bass, I'm on elec. 12-string...thought I recognized my 
sounds and attack...so now it's official! I'll change it on the 
website, thanks for the heads up.
CK "

Many thanks to Carol for taking time out to look into it.
http://www.carolkaye.com

Phil

Incidentally, spurred on by the substantial reissue market, Russ 
Wapensky is currently researching archived Musicians Union session 
contracts, mainly from the 60s. He is planning to publish a book in 
the new year identifying the musicians who played the hits. 
Should settle a few arguments.



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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:22:19 -0000 From: Neil Hever Subject: Re: Wilson Pickett sells Pepsi! '60s pop groups... zombie7123: > There's been some discussion here about oldies being used in > TV and radio commercials -- a seemingly modern curse. But I > have evidence that many bands back in the '60s were total > sell-outs There are plenty of records available featuring bands doing ads for soft drinks, beer and other consumer products in the 60s. I have an LP with 9 bands doing their version of the Pepsi jingle "Pepsi pours it on" from September 1968. It is labeled Pepsi Cola Youth Market 1969 30 second radio. There is no production company listed but it sounds like each band recorded the tune in their own studio and sent it to the agency. The LP includes the Standard full vocal or generic version, The Four Tops, Jackie DeShannon, The Turtles, Martha Reeves and the Vandellas, Wilson Pickett, The Stone Ponys, Union Gap and John Hartford. Each version of the tune is customized to sound more like the artists represented. For example, The Stone Ponys version features the Harpsichord sound from "Different drum". I can tell you, the version by Wilson Pickett will make your hair stand up on end! In the bridge, Wilson lets out a terror inducing shriek followed by a resounding "taste that beats the others cold, Pepsi pours it on!" Honestly, you'll want to drop everything and run screaming to the store for a cold bottle of Pepsi! I would not characterize these jingles as sell-outs. Probably back then the band got paid union scale and nothing else. There were no incredibly lucrative endorsement packages ala Michael Jackson's stint with soft drinks. I also have The Troggs Miller beer commercials! These were issued by McCann Erickson, a rather well known ad agency. Apparently, the Miller campaign "Special Place" from 1969 was not for airplay. It must have strictly for promotion to bars and distributors. It also includes Brook Benton and Johnny Mack. Again, I'm almost certain none of these acts made any substantial money from the ads. They must have been viewed as extra exposure for the artists and not a money making opportunity. Cheers, Neil Hever -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:52:08 -0000 From: "BillyGTexas" Subject: Re: Dave Clark to the Max! --- In spectropop@y..., Steve Harvey wrote: > Don't forget that Max Weinberg thought enough of Dave > Clark to put him in his book on drummers. If you can ever dig up those DC5 TV appearances on tape, many times Dave's kit was set right up-front with the rest of the band, not in the back like other bands. Many times he played them while standing up, not sitting on a stool. With him bashing the hell out of his kit (even while lip-synching) no wonder so many American kids like "The Mighty Max" wanted to play the drums. He might not have been a great or super-technincal drummer but he had a powerful presence on stage. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:51:43 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Singing Bodies Bill George: > Yikes! I don't think they could hear the track very well.... > thanks for playing. It's actually quite a lot of fun :) After all the years of wondering why this got released, I finally found something about them in Vernon Joynson's "Fuzz Acid & Flowers": http://www.borderlinebooks.com/us6070s/t2r.html Personnel: C.C. COURTNEY LEW "KING" KIRBY " The band was a result of two New Orleans DJs teaming up with The Pirates to disrupt a HERMAN'S HERMITS concert in the Municipal Auditorium. Courtney and Kirby had their bodies painted gold and were dressed in baggies! " [ Poor old HHs, and all they wanted to be was liked ] 45s: Their Singing Bodies - Diagnosis-Neurosis /You've Gotta Feel It (Back Stage 5002) 1965 The Singing Bodies - What Am I Gonna Do With You? /Maybe Baby (Chase 4000) 196? "Diagnosis-Neurosis is an amalgam of comedy, punk and Vietnam protest about the onset of paranoid schizophrenia. By the second 45 they were cured and delivered a faithful version of Buddy Holly's Maybe Baby." ...oh yeah? Actually, I am slightly disappointed that there appears to be a 'knowing' element to this recording. What I really appreciate are records that have been made in all seriousness, without any awareness that their endeavours could be judged a Frankenstein. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads zombie7123: > There's been some discussion here about oldies being used in > TV and radio commercials -- a seemingly modern curse. During the early sixties Coca-Cola ran a campaign ..."Things go better with Coke". They recreated a top recording...with the original artist and added a "New" section that kept repeating " Things go better with Coke!!" Sometimes they were so good you thought you were listening to the original!!! Some were made by the original producers.....others were created by the team of Garry Sherman and Stanley Kahan in NY. I remember going to one of the sessions that used Aretha Franklyn and one of her hits....it was amazing!!! regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:06:48 -0000 From: Mary Subject: Re: REALLY bad music Here's one of my votes for really, really bad music: Connie Stevens singing "Cinderella Could Have Saved Us All", which is backed by the weird "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Have Wings And Fly?" I have this record on MGM's yellow (with black printing) DJ label that has a cartoon -like cat or lion on it. Mary -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:00:57 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: REALLY bad music Neil Hever wrote: > oversight, I offer three singles for your consideration. The > Churchmice "College Psycology (sp) on Love/Babe We're Not Part Of > Society" is truly bad. Now there's one record I never expected to see mentioned in this group! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:26:06 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Dave Clark to the Max! Steve Harvey: > If you can ever dig up those DC5 TV appearances on tape, With > him bashing the hell out of his kit (even while lip-synching) > no wonder so many American kids like "The Mighty Max" wanted > to play the drums. He might not have been a great or super- > technincal drummer but he had a powerful presence on stage. sure was!!! I have a whole video of DC5 TV shots and that's exactly the case. Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:06:09 -0700 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: A Christmas Gift For You At this time of year the Spectropopper's mind naturally turns to "that" christmas album but U.K. members should beware of the following CD entitled "A Christmas Gift For You - A Tribute To Phil Spector" and performed by "Wall Of Sound" it has just been released by one of the biggest British budget labels. The sleeve blurb reads as follows... "Phil Spector's original album has long been unavailable, and with the man himself something of a recluse, it is difficult to know when it might be readily available. But fear not, for here is the next best thing. This album has been lovingly recorded as a tribute to Phil Spector, featuring faithful versions of the original thirteen tracks and three new recordings done in a similar style. The end result is an album that is as close to the original as you could hope to find. It is 'A Christmas Gift To You'....." Well, I suppose they have a point. The Christmas album has been frustratingly difficult to get in the UK in recent years and we have had to rely on scarce and expensive imports. If nothing else, with characteristic canniness, a budget label has spotted a gap in the market and jumped into it. I will keep an eye on the availability of the official version this year and keep you posted. As for the "tribute" - no, I didn't buy it and I haven't heard it yet but I can get my hands on plenty of them if anybody really wants one! Regards, Guy Lawrence. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:35:27 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Artie Wayne Original message from Artie Wayne: > (Coke ads:) Some were made by the original producers..... > others were created by the team of Garry Sherman and > Stanley Kahan in NY. I remember going to one of the > sessions that used Aretha Franklin and one of her hits.... > it was amazing!!! Mr Wayne, Would I be correct in assuming that you are THE Artie Wayne, Brill Building songwriter of some repute ("Midnight Mary" etc)? If so, may I wish you a very warm welcome to Spectropop and ask you about a nice little number you helped write for the Angels in 1962, "You Should Have Told Me". Who did the demo? Do you have a copy still? If, by some chance, you're a different Artie Wayne, welcome to Spectropop anyway. How come you were hanging out at an Aretha session? :-) MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:47:43 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Dave's 5 Hermits >So Dave Clark didn't play drums on the records; so what. "Mikey": >Blatantly not true!! Dave played drums on every DC5 disk. A couple years ago I had the opportunity to speak to '60s session drummer Bobby Graham, and he confirmed that Dave Clark used session drummers on many (but not all) of the DC5 records from 1963 onwards. Bobby even told me about one instance where Clark invited reporters to a session to "prove" that he really played drums on his own records -- as soon as the reporters left, Clark brought Bobby in from another room and the session resumed! >The Dave Clark Drum sound is unmistakeable!!! ...and it was invented by Bobby Graham. :) Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:36:54 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads Artie Wayne wrote: > During the early sixties Coca-Cola ran a campaign ..."Things > go better with Coke". They recreated a top recording...with > the original artist and added a "New" section that kept > repeating " Things go better with Coke!!" There is indeed a bootleg CD available featuring dozens of these ads, recorded by many of our favorite period artists. If there's interest (read: I'm stalling for time here) I'll dig out my copy when I get home and post title and other info (if any). If I recall correctly a handful of non-Coke ads were tacked on at the end as filler. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:03:55 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Re: Dave Clarke Five >this rumor started because Dave produced > some records for Christie and Mike D'Abo on which he used > Clem Cattini (Tornados) on drums. I take Christie as meaning John Christie and not Jeff Christie. First glance may have the impression that he produced the group Christie, who had Yellow River as a hit. And, as if it is not general knowledge by now Christie's Yellow River was in fact the Tremeloes. Rick Westwood explains: "We made it with Dave Munden singing lead vocal and later substituted Jeff Christie's voice. I'm not really sure if Jeff went out on the road with Vic and Michael. Jeff was not in the band and Vic was the lead singer when I saw them." "I played the guitar fade on the record with a Fender Stratocaster, not my double-necked Mosrite. I used the Mosrite just for TV shows. It was too heavy to use on stage all the time." regards, Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:15:50 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Singing Bodies Phil Chapman wrote: > Actually, I am slightly disappointed that there appears to be a > 'knowing' element to this recording. Damn, I must be totally whacked. I still don't hear anything off in the Singing Bodies at all. > What I really appreciate > are records that have been made in all seriousness, without any > awareness that their endeavours could be judged a Frankenstein. Then you really might dig The Shaggs after all. In a world in which even Mrs. Miller has been "exposed" to have possibly been in the know, these girls remain the ultimate in pure indisputable sincerity. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:41:45 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads Phil Milstein: > If I recall correctly a handful of non-Coke ads were > tacked on at the end as filler. Just a couple of Pepsi ads. But there also a PEPSI CD floating around altho I don't have it Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:14:12 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: '60s groups doing ads/Singing Bodies Phil Milstein: > If I recall correctly, a handful of non-Coke ads were tacked > on at the end as filler. Hi Phil, many of these were discussed in April (Forum Archives 436-445) and some great "Great Shakes" ads got played around. Do you have any of these? I'm looking for a copy of The Chiffons' spot without the tape drop-out. > Damn, I must be totally whacked. I still don't hear anything > off in the Singing Bodies at all. Given the things you've played to me off-list, that doesn't surprise me at all:-) > You really might dig The Shaggs after all. In a world in which > even Mrs. Miller has been "exposed" to have possibly been in > the know, these girls remain the ultimate in pure indisputable > sincerity. I don't doubt it, I'm not that familiar the girls, but I will be. My ideal material is when everybody involved (not just the act) think that they're making a great record, and they are, but not for the reasons they think. I've been on many of these sessions:-) Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:17:11 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift For You I'll tell you what, I just LOVE the STEREO version of Phil's Album. He, apparantly hates it, so much that he made WB recall 50,000 copies and re-press it. But to me, that WIDE stereo really kicks on the LP. Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:30:02 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Mark Wirtz stuff Less than a week after posting a request for info on Mark Wirtz's CDs for sale, a copy landed on my mat. If you're registered on Paypal, as I am, ordering a copy only took two minutes. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble with my CD player but "The Mark Wirtz Anthology" looks great, with informative, fun sleeve notes. Well done to the 'team' at capital M records. Talking of Mark...this month's MOJO has a small piece on Caroline Munro, a rather voluptuous brunette, still fondly remembered for her Captain Morgan Rum adverts, a Bond movie and a few Hammer Horror's. Hopefully she is known and loved on this site not for her striking 'hits' but for a terrific 'miss', "Tar And Cement". Released on UK Columbia in '67 she reveals in the interview how her debut 45, produced, arranged and conducted by Mark Wirtz, featured the Cream, (Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce) plus Stevie Howe as her backing musicians. Perhaps Mark can offer more reminiscences? Sad to say she doesn't have a copy - but she's not getting mine! A great song and production which, baffling to me, often has the B-side "This Sporting Life" included on CDs etc. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:56:09 +0100 From: Jan Kristensen Subject: Re: REALLY bad music There's always many reasons why you think a record is really bad - here's two of my favorites both from 1962: Alfred E. Neuman's "It's A Gas" and Sonny Gianotta's "The Last Blast Of The Blasted Bugler" These and other "bad" rcords are a blessing after listening to more serious stuff. Jan K -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:06:36 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: MGM girls / the Clouds Peter Richmond: > (Betty & Karen:) You are spot on with the surnames Mick, > Betty Ameche and Karen Segalla. The two tracks were recorded > in New York City, 05 July 1966. Am I to assume, Peter, me old mate, that you have an MGM reference book? One of Michel Ruppli's wonderful tomes, perhaps? If so, maybe you could look up the line-ups for some other MGM girl groups, as a treat for the obsessives amongst us? Here's just a few from the top of my head: Jackie Burns & the Bo-Bells The Paper Dolls The Whispering Winds The Models By the way, I took at look at your Righteous Brothers website the other day ( http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/index.htm ), in the hope I'd be able to add something to your ongoing discographical endeavours. Fat chance! Rarely, if ever, have I seen such well organized and thoroughly researched work. The neat displays of picture sleeves and music sheets are gobsmacking. However, I did read recently that Jerry Ganey, of the Bill Medley-produced "Just A Fool" fame, was previously a member of the Clouds. But I bet you knew that already! :-) By the way, have you seen Mr Ruppli's Atlantic Records Discography? It contains a wealth of info on the Righteous Brothers Moonglow sessions. If not, please to just gimme the nod. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:42:59 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: A Scrooge free Christmas Guy Lawrence: > At this time of year the Spectropopper's mind naturally turns > to "that" christmas album but U.K. members should beware of the > following CD entitled "A Christmas Gift For You - A Tribute To > Phil Spector" and performed by "Wall Of Sound" it has just been > released by one of the biggest British budget labels. The sleeve > blurb reads as follows... Go on Guy, at 2.99 or whatever the price is this year, buy yourself a copy! You might only play it once but you'll always wonder what you missed! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:09:57 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Dave's 5 Hermits Scott Swanson: > .......drummer Bobby Graham, and he confirmed that Dave Clark > used session drummers on many (but not all) of the DC5 records > from 1963 onwards. Bobby even told me about one instance where > Clark invited reporters to a session to "prove" that he really > played drums on his own records -- as soon as the reporters left, > Clark brought Bobby in from another room and the session resumed! I dont believe a word of it...the drums on the DC5 records are so SIMPLE, what need was there to use a session guy? I think Bobby Graham WISHES he played on those records.... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:30:36 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Welcome, Artie Wayne Artie Wayne wrote: > I remember going to one of the sessions that used Aretha > Franklyn and one of her hits....it was amazing!!! Indeed, what a pleasure it is to have Artie Wayne in our midst here at Spectropop. For those that may be unaware, Artie has written a number of songs that should be (and probably are) in every self-respecting Spectropopper's collection. Matter of fact, Artie, we played two of your classics at Elisa's Slow Fizz party last Saturday night, namely the UK versions of "Queen For Tonight" and "Tomorrow Is Another Day", by Helen Shapiro and the Vernons Girls respectively. And both got the dancers out on the floor! Here's just a partial list of songs Artie has penned, either solo or in collaboration with Ben Raleigh:- Midnight Mary Joey Powers Tomorrow Is Another Day Doris Troy/Vernons Girls It's Your World Jonna Jaye Queen For Tonight Helen Shapiro 4,003,221 Tears Kerri Downs/Judy Stone 3000 Miles Brian Hyland Impressive or what?!! Ian PS - A question, Artie can you tell us who did the U.S. original of "Queen For Tonight"? Was it a male version by Barry Darvell? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:41:23 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Welcome Artie Wayne Artie Wayne wrote: > going to one of the sessions that used Aretha Franklyn and > one of her hits....it was amazing!!! Indeed, what a pleasure it is to have Artie Wayne in our midst here at Spectropop. For those that may be unaware, Artie has written a number of songs that should be (and probably are) in every self-respecting Spectropopper's collection. Matter of fact, Artie, we played one of your classics at Elisa's Slow Fizz party last Saturday night, namely the UK version of "Queen For Tonight" by Helen Shapiro, which sure got the dancers out on the floor! Here's just a partial list of songs Artie has penned, either solo or in collaboration with Ben Raleigh:- Midnight Mary Joey Powers It's Your World Jonna Jaye Queen For Tonight Helen Shapiro 4,003,221 Tears Kerri Downs/Judy Stone 3000 Miles Brian Hyland Impressive or what?!! Ian PS - A question, Artie can you tell us who did the U.S. original of "Queen For Tonight"? Was there a male version by Barry Darvell? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:50:42 -0600 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: '60s pop groups doing Coca-Cola ads I have a CD that I bought at Tower Records that was pressed in Argentina. It has 65 different Coke spots on it. Artists include Roy Orbison, the Moody Blues, Tom Jones, Lulu, and even two Aretha Franklin cuts. Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at http://www.live365.com/stations/289419 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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