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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
                   http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm
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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Many Thanks!
           From: Lynn 
      2. Commercials
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. Re: made to be bad
           From: Mark Frumento 
      4. Re: made to be bad
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      5. Re: made to be bad
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      6. knockin' the Hermits
           From: Xavier 
      7. Nino and April B Side
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      8. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Phil Milstein 
      9. Re: United Records
           From: Marc 
     10. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Mikey 
     11. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Mark Frumento 
     12. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     13. Re: made to be bad
           From: James Botticelli 
     14. Re: made to be bad
           From: Martin Roberts 
     15. Re: made to be bad
           From: Norman 
     16. Middle Of The Road
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     17. Dem Bones
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     18. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Steve Harvey 
     19. Re: made to be bad
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     20. Re: knockin' the Hermits
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     21. Phil Chapman (and ALO)
           From: Martin Roberts 
     22. Re: Knockin' the Hermits
           From: Eric Charge 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:05:57 -0000
   From: Lynn 
Subject: Many Thanks!

I am so glad to know the name of my "mystery song", Montage by The 
Love Generation.  Thanks for the help!

I love the discussions here!  I have a copy of the Napoleon XIV hit 
from 1966.  As a kid, I even memorized the  nonsense syllables of the 
B Side of "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha" (which sounds 
rather like "Hayem wee em kesh nesh ne muckedah ha ha").  :D

Lynn



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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:32:55 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Commercials It's pretty pathetic that I hear better music on tv commercials than I do on commercial radio. Does anybody remember the first rock and roll sellout? Donovan let Yardley use his "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" back in the late 60s. There is a car commercial out that I swear samples the bass line to the Lovin' Spoonful's "Jugband Music". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:42:56 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: made to be bad Not sure if this one fits into the 60s because I don't know the exact release date but a clever bad B-side is "Mediocre" on the back of of "Alvin's Harmonica" by David Seville and the Chipmunks. Comdey/novelty record or not, who is going to play a song with that title. Not me, I just listened to it for the first time! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:50:39 -0800 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: made to be bad Phil, here's a couple that haven't been mentioned yet. The first is also a backwards one, but with a twist. The B-side of The Committee's "California My Way" (White Whale WW-257, 1967) is a backwards track called "You For Weren't It If" which is not "California My Way" backwards, but a different - and apparently otherwise unreleased - song called, predictably, "If It Weren't For You." I've turned it around in SoundForge, and it's a fine song in it's own right. If anyone wants to hear it I can play it to musica (forwards or backwards! :-)). The other is the B-side to "Walk In The Sky" by The Crackerjack Society (a New York cover of the Flowerpot Men song) on Columbia 4-44434, also from 1967. It's called "Listen To This Side" whereupon when you do you are confronted with three minutes or so of pure noise (credited to coproducers Murray Wecht and John Walsh of course). I can also play this to musica. :-) Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:42:54 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: made to be bad Another throwaway B-Side Sonny & Cher's - "Hello" which is basically small talk to thier fans. Another strange B-side is "You For Weren't It If" by The Committee on White Whale WW257, the A-side was "California My Way". It's a track written by Dalton & Montgomery (from the 60's group Colours). After copying the song to my PC's hard drive and listening to it the right way, its not a bad song or performance. But why did White Whale flip it backwards?? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:27:59 -0000 From: Xavier Subject: knockin' the Hermits Marianne Faithfull in Vanity Fair: > In the wake of those bands which were actually good (like the Beatles and the > Stones) - real musicians with some kind of vision - came all this other crap > like Herman's Hermits, the Dave Clark Five, et cetera. Hey now. I'll give you that the Dave Clark Five had very few redeeming qualities, but I think it's unfair to paint Herman's Hermits as total crap. ;) Hell, their "vision" was to do songs in a British musical tradition, and I think they succeeded. Yeah, they're a bit twee, but "Listen People" *does* rock (for Herman's Hermits anyway), and their cover of Donovan's "Museum" is actually pretty amazing... Xavier -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:59:11 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Nino and April B Side Dan wrote: > ...I'd go with two from Nino and April: 1-45 (flip side of Stardust), and > I've Been Carrying a Torch For You So Long That I Burned a Great Big Hole In > My Heart (flip side of Deep Purple). I read someplace I've Been Carrying a Torch For You So Long That I Burned a Great Big Hole In My Heart was supposed to have been the A side and they did "Deep Purple" as a B side. Strange. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:20:55 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits Xavier: > Hey now. I'll give you that the Dave Clark Five had very few redeeming > qualities, but I think it's unfair to paint Herman's Hermits as total crap. ;) I feel the exact opposite: love the DC5, but am usually turned off by Peter No One et al. To each, his own. --Phil Milstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:57:37 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: United Records JED - Delmark out of Chicago owns United now. Marc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:51:40 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits Marianne Faithfull in Vanity Fair: > ...Jackie Nitzsche thought the DC5 and Herman's Hermits were crap...I agree with him. >>>>Marianne Faithful was know to abuse certain illegal substances, so I'll cut her some slack. However, NOBODY better knock the DC5 and The Hermits around me. Between them they scored 43 chart hits from 1964 to 1970. That's nothing to sneeze at. Is there a more rocking song than "Any Way You Want It"? Is there a prettier song than "No Milk Today"? They rule!! Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:00:29 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits Xavier wrote: > Hey now... I think it's unfair to paint Herman's Hermits as total crap. I agree with you! The problem with the statement is that most Vanity Fair readers would not be equipped to dispute her. It's sort of an obvious and easy slam dunk if you don't actually listen to music (like comparing The Beach Boys to The Ohio Express). Can SOMEONE on this list PLEASE tell me why we left the post of "60s Music Authority" in Marianne Faithfull's hands for even one interview? ;>) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:52:00 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits I would put DC5 over Hermans Hermits by a mile. I agree however that HH's did some great records.(No milk today,Just a little bit better). Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:19:26 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: made to be bad Personally, I enjoy most all Phil's instrumental b-sides. They're especially good when it's aerobics time, or after a couple of Manhattans. Oooo, wah oo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:40:07 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: made to be bad "Interesting' thread from Phil, not sure if I'm keen on the thought of a cdr though! A release that more than fits the bill; Valiant 754 - The Fastest Group Alive - The Bears / Be Side, the B-side lasts 35 seconds too long. With a semi-spoken refrain of "Well it's cottons pickings times in the valley" sung chorus (with out the extra s's) and musical backing heavily featuring a banjo. Sadly the A-side isn't much better! Continuing the Double B side, (the usually excellent) Valiant label AND Napoleon XIV thread; Valiant 743 Josephine They Took You Away-I'm Glad, I'm Glad. B-side (I'm still not sure if this is slowed down or the A side speeded up), Josef with the same song. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:18:37 +1030 From: Norman Subject: Re: made to be bad Re: Phil Milstein I grew up thinking that a bad B side to a good A side didn't matter. If you wrote the B side you would make a lot of money if the A side became a smash. And, after listening to some B sides in my time I would say there is a lot of wasted space out there. My contributions for your list are Ohio Express with the B side to Sweeter Than Sugar being Bitter Lemon, and the B side to Orange Bicycle's Carry That Weight/Golden Slumbers (sic) being Want To B Side. Fair enough, the Orange Bicycle do not reverse the A side but it is pretty boring stuff non the less. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:14:40 -0700 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Middle Of The Road Hi kjw and all, Yeah I like "Yellow Boomerang" but you've inspired me to compile this...... TOP TEN GREATEST MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SONGS - as chosen by Guy. 1."Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum" (probably the best bubblegum song about inter-clan warfare ever!) 2."To Remind Me" 3."On This Land It Time" 4."Rainin' 'N' Painin'" 5."Universal Man" 6."Soley, Soley" 7."Louise" 8."Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep" 9."Samson And Delilah" 10."Medicine Woman" All the Best, Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:53:31 -0500 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Dem Bones Kent is absolutely right! ! ! "Put The Bone In" is dreadful and it's hard to believe Terry sang that with a straight face. Of the Buddah bubblegum hit B- sides I'm familiar with my absolute favorite is also by 1910 Fruitgum Co., "Pow- Wow". That's the B of INDIAN GIVER and it's some tune they did taped backwards, creating an eerie, dirge-like effect at certain places. Very frightening. Used to spin that one with all lights off!!! Lynn's comment on Napoleon XIV reminded me of how the backwards tape used to make me crack up in hysterics. At one point it sounds like Mr. Samuels is speaking French--he says something like "missou, missou"!! Finally, the Hermits...I've never been a real fan but two of my favorite sides by them are "I Can Take Or Leave Your Loving" and "Something's Happening", from their waning-popularity period. Each should have been a MUCH bigger hit IMHO. And "Can't You Hear My Heart Beat" just brings childhood right back to me! Long live the memory of the great Richard Harris! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits My first excursion into oldies was via the Hermits. Never heard of Sam Cooke, Ernie K Doe, Skeeter Davis, Cliff Richards, etc. until I heard the Hermits versions. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:15:52 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: made to be bad Martin Roberts wrote: > "Interesting' thread from Phil, not sure if I'm keen on > the thought of a cdr though! A release that more than fits > the bill; Valiant 754 - The Fastest Group Alive - The Bears > / Be Side, the B-side lasts 35 seconds too long. With a > semi-spoken refrain of "Well it's cottons pickings times in > the valley" sung chorus (with out the extra s's) and musical > backing heavily featuring a banjo. I was thinking of this one too! "The Bears" was a regional hit here in Miami in '66, and was even covered by Ocala, Florida's Royal Guardsmen. I used the Guardsmen's version on a sports video we put together after the Chicago Bears won the '86 Super Bowl! Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:57:19 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: knockin' the Hermits The Hermits get put down because they were a teenybopper group. They had NOTHING to say, except to 8-year-olds, but you know what? I was eight years old when I first heard some of their music, so no wonder I like some of it. I remember being blown away by their version of "Jezebel" on "The Ed Sullivan Show". Yeah, they had some stinkers, but in the end it's all pop, and there's nothing wrong with bringing Kenny Young's tunes to the top of the charts. "Don't go out into the rain, you're gonna melt, sugar"... Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:46:35 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Phil Chapman (and ALO) I'm sure he'd be too modest to tell but while browsing in my local bookshop I noticed "2Stoned", Andrew Loog Oldham's latest tome. Straight to the back to check whom he's talking about and up pops the name (over four pages) our very own Phil Chapman. I'm inclined to wait for the paperback but I did read Phil's piece and in his succinct manner, he sums up ALO's producing style, brings up the names of Phil Spector, Glyn Johns and George Morton and still has the space to describe a rather hairy producing session with ALO in Italy. Phil Chapman aka The Wild Man of Pop! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:56:38 -0000 From: Eric Charge Subject: Re: Knockin' the Hermits Well, when I first read this I had to laugh. Who was she to criticise anybody else? What was Marianne Faithfull but the least talented female singer in Britain in the 60s? She still can't sing. Why do people revere her just because she took drugs and slept around? Looks like a case of the Emperor's new clothes to me.... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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