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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Take Me For A Little While
           From: bryan 
      2. Re: The Reflections
           From: Mikey 
      3. Re: The Reflections
           From: Doc Rock 
      4. Reflections singles on Golden World
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
      5. Re:Take Me For A Little While
           From: Pat Johnson 
      6. Reflections again
           From: Stefan Wriedt 
      7. Sound Waves & Traction
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
      8. Beverly Ross
           From: David Bell 
      9. Re: Betty Betty
           From: Dan Hughes 
     10. Fanfare Publications equivalent?
           From: Freeman Carmack 
     11. Reflecting on The Reflections
           From: Martin Roberts 
     12. Re: Reflections again
           From: Eddy Smit 
     13. Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
           From: Richard Williams 
     14. Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
           From: Mikey 
     15. Re: Take Me For A Little While
           From: Michael Coxe 
     16. Great Britons
           From: Richard Tearle 
     17. The Reflections on "Casino Classics Vol 2"
           From: Mike Edwards 
     18. Bob Lind
           From: Leonardo Flores 
     19. Reflections UK
           From: Phil Chapman 
     20. Online vinyl price guides?
           From: zombie7123 
     21. Re: EVIE SANDS
           From: Mick Patrick 
     22. Thanx
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     23. Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown
           From: Phil Chapman 
     24. Re: "Girl Groups" Is Not "War and Peace"
           From: John Clemente 
     25. Re: Online vinyl price guides?
           From: Eddy Smit 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:55:41 -0700
   From: bryan 
Subject: Re: Take Me For A Little While

> I heard (the track featured on The Sopranos) too, and my immediate thought 
> was Dave Edmunds.

Yes, it was Dave Edmunds doing "Take Me For A Little While". The song appeared 
on his 1979 album 'Repeat When Necessary'.

Bryan




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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:38:33 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: The Reflections From Billy G. Spradlin: > "Just Like Romeo & Juliet" appeared in stereo for the first time on Varese > Sarabande's great "On The Radio - Volume 2" it did prove that stereo tapes > do exist. Golden World was bought out by Motown in the 60s so they could use > their studios - Universal music owns their master tapes. >>>More than stereo tapes exist. That version on the Varese Cd was mixed from the original 4 track multis. I actually thought that mix was pretty great. To hear that song in true stereo for the first time was a real joy. And yes, Universal Music does own the Reflections Masters. I am friendly with some small label owners. I'll email them and suggest a Reflections Comp. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:40:37 -0400 From: Doc Rock Subject: Re: The Reflections I organized and MC'd a show in the '90s with Bobby Vee, Martha and the Vandellas, The Pixies Three, and the Laredoes. The Laredoes is the name the Reflections have to use, unless they want to split the fee with the people who own the trademark! Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:11:33 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Reflections singles on Golden World I have notes of 9 Reflections singles on Golden World: In release order (between 3/64 and 9/65): 8/9 - (Just Like) Romeo & Juliet/ Can't You Tell By The Look In My Eyes 12 - Like Columbus Did/Lonely Girl 15 - Talkin' About My Girl/Oowe Now Now 16 - (I'm Just) A Henpecked Guy/Don't Do That To Me 19 - Shabby Little Hut/ You're My Baby (And Don't You Forget It) 20 - Poor Man's Son/Comin' At You 22 - Wheelin' And Dealin'/Deborah Ann 24 - Out Of The Picture/June Bride 29 - Girl In The Candy Store/Your Kind Of Love In 1966 on ABC there was also: 10794 - (Just Like) Adam & Eve/Vito's House 10822 - You're Gonna Find Out (You Love Me)/Long Cigarette They actually had an EP released in England, now pretty rare, which is where I picked up on the excellent "Comin' At You" which has the same handclappy vibe of "Romeo & Juliet". Can anyone add to this list? They had strong B sides, so even the above would make a mighty fine CD! Let's hope that between us we can get it together. Joe F and I met on Monday and talked about it - so Joe, we now know it is Universal..... Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:16:53 -0700 From: Pat Johnson Subject: Re:Take Me For A Little While Dave Edmunds did a killer (very Spectoresque) version [of "Take Me For A Little While"] on his 'Repeat When Necessary' LP... comparable to the stellar Dusty Springfield version. Is the Evie Sands version the original? I've been curious about this song forever. Pat -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:33:40 +0200 From: Stefan Wriedt Subject: Reflections again Here is their website: http://www.reflections-music.com Apart from their nine Golden World releases, their first was on Kay Ko 1003 (1963), later followed by two on ABC (10794 + 10822, both 1966). I have one listed on Flax 1001 (Unborn Man + She's Running Away), no date. Anybody out there who has it? BTW, does anybody have the Larados double CD mentioned on the website as out-of-print? Stefan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:25:22 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Sound Waves & Traction Igor winged at the weight of the parcel that contained the two volumes of Stephen McParland's newest tome, "Sound Waves & Traction" - the stories of all the surf/drag/bike studio groups inc Anders/Poncia, Carol Conners, Bruce & Terry, Ronny Wilkin, Hondells et al - everyone 'cept Usher of course who has five other McParland volumes of his own. These are amazingly researched books, with discogs, some label shots and photos. Great shot of Carol C singing "Book Of Love" on a beach from 'Catalina Caper' in Vol 1, and Bobby 'Boris' Pickett being backed-up live by the Beach Boys in Vol 2 - now that's one I had never seen! These are packed with info, and will have you rushing to renew your wants lists!! Well done Stephen mate! But I lost a good hour and a half of good work time when they arrived..... Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:46:11 -0000 From: David Bell Subject: Beverly Ross I've just been given a copy of The Magazine Of Song Hits, which contains the words of a really campy song written by Beverly Ross and Jeff Barry. It's called "Betty, Betty (Go Steady With Me) and it has in it the lines: Betty is an angel, I love her so, She wears her hair like Bridgette Bardot, She is so pretty, she is so fine, My dreams would all come true if she were mine. I guess that someone recorded it and so I'm hoping that one of the group's members will come up with the artist's name, record label etc. Many thanks, David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:28:59 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Betty Betty David asks about the song Betty Betty Go Steady With Me. It was recorded by the Archies. ref. http://community-2.webtv.net/pLuMcRaZy4rOn/archiesongs/page3.html ....Two other songs recorded in the winter of 1969 during the "Feelin' So Good" recording session didn't make it to the show or record either. They were: "Betty Betty Go Steady With Me", and "Are You Ever Coming Home"..... Also recorded in England at least twice, by Dickey Pride, and by Stanley + Jeffrey Bird. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:50:12 -0000 From: Freeman Carmack Subject: Fanfare Publications equivalent? My Father-in-Law owns a small, Swiss, vanity classical label, primarily for reissuing historic performances. Until recently, he has relied on ads in FANFARE and a small distribution arrangement with Albany Records. I have been asked to help find other, FANFARE-like publications to advertise in. He is insistent about not doing it over the Internet. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be most grateful. (Reply off-list) Sincerely, Freeman Carmack -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:56:38 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Reflecting on The Reflections I've been enjoying the chat about The Reflections, I concur with the general consensus, a fabby group. In the mid seventies (one of the advantages of being old!) I actively sorted out all the 45s bearing this name I could find. I was lucky enough to get the album; great selection of tracks, of the twelve tracks only three weren't released on 45s "Couldn't Make It Like That" (which I've played to musica), "Gonna Turn The Place Out" (sounds like this could have come from the film) and "On Broadway". I'm missing their last Golden World 45 and the Kay Ko release. I'd guessed they later moved to ABC, these were a bit late for my then collecting tastes but I do have "The Reflections" on a variety of other labels: Tigre Records "In The Still Of The Night" - super white stompy doo wop (I've played this to musica also), two other up-tempo white vocal 45s on "Crossroads" and one (black sounding) souly doo wop on "Went". Are they the same group? Well, the "Went" Reflections aren't but the "Crossroads" group could be, and the Tigre release is just so great! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:55:36 +0200 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Reflections again I also have a listing for two 45s on Crossroads : Crossroads 401 : Maybe tomorrow/I really must know - 1961 Crossroads 402 : Because of you/Rocket to the moon - 1962 I also have a 45 : Tic toc c/w In the still of the night on Tigre 602, but this is probably a different "Reflections". See y'all, Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:00:55 +0100 From: Richard Williams Subject: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown I just saw a tape of Standing In The Shadows Of Motown, to be screened in the London Film Festival on November 15 and 16. My advice: don't miss it. Wonderful interviews with Joe Hunter, Johnny Griffith, Eddie Willis, Joe Messina, Uriel Jones, the since-departed Pistol Allen, and others. Praiseworthy absence of smarmy superstars. This is the musicians' story. Martha Reeves speaks beautifully, and qualifies for inclusion by virtue of lifelong identification with Motown's production-line workers: the guys in the Snake Pit. Many, many highlights, including a terrific reconstruction of "the sound", in the style of King Curtis's "Memphis Soul Stew". Even the brief passages of dramatic reconstruction don't jar. Film is interspersed with extracts from a live concert featuring the rhythm section with guest singers. Also better than anticipated, notably Joan Osborne singing "Heatwave": the original has aspecial place in this heart, so that's praise. I found the whole thing really moving, and felt that, even after 40 years of paying attention, I learnt a whole lot more that I knew before. The key to the legendary backbeat-- and how obvious it now seems -- was to have one rhythm guitarist playing chords along with the snare drum and (sometimes) the tambourine, adding pitch, tone and resonance, thickening it out. Plus hardly any vintage Motown hits (i.e. 1962-67) used a conventional ride-cymbal or hi-hat pattern. The rhythmic flow was carried by the bass, sometimes (eg Barrett Strong's "Money") augmented by an eight-to-the-bar on a floor tom-tom. The lack of a cymbal "top" is what made the beat sound so funky, even when the song and the singer (e.g. most Supremes hits) were pop-slanted. And so the store of knowledge grows... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:28:33 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown Richard Williams: > hardly any vintage Motown hits (i.e. > 1962-67) used a conventional ride-cymbal or hi-hat pattern. > The rhythmic flow was carried by the bass, sometimes (eg > Barrett Strong's "Money") augmented by an eight-to-the-bar > on a floor tom-tom. sorry, this just isnt true. Money was the exception. MOST Motown classic, DEFINITELY have a 4/4 high hat pattern, no matter what anyone says,listen to the RECORDS, boost the high end, it's there. In those days, they didnt mic the high hat, they were lucky if they even mic'd the snare drum separately, but in Motown's case, they did mic the snare. All you have to do is spin "Please Mr Postman" "Baby Love" "Heat Wave" ect to hear the same High Hat patterns. It's all over the Motown records, and I'm surprised anyone would say the contrary. I'm a drummer, and Ive studied those records for years. PS....a lot of the PHIL SPECTOR hits has Hal Blaine playing the snare and floor tom in unison for the 2 and 4 beats. Perhaps that's what the person meant. Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:13:19 -0700 From: Michael Coxe Subject: Re: Take Me For A Little While >Marci: >> Did anyone see/hear the version of "Take Me For A Little While" >> last night over the end credits of The Sopranos? It sounded >> like a Spector production but I'm trying to figure out who >> was singing. > Is it possible what you heard was the Evie Sands version of > this song? Nicely done and very Spector-ish. No, it was by Spectorphile Dave Edmunds, from his 1979 album "Repeat When Necessary". - michael -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:29:54 -0000 From: Richard Tearle Subject: Great Britons Non UK members won't know, but the BBC instigated a nationwide poll to find the 100 greatest Britons of all time, voted by the great British Public (!). 'Pop' stars figuring in the voting were the obvious 3 Beatles (sorry, no Ringo), David Bowie, Sir Cliff Richard, Robbie Williams, Johnny Rotten and, I'm not joking, Boy George! Not to mention veteran DJ John Peel. Bearing in mind the amount of scientists, inventors, explorers, discoverers, Kings and Queens in the list, do Spectropop members think that pop music was best represented? Cheers Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:34:58 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: The Reflections on "Casino Classics Vol 2" Billy Spradlin mentioned that "Just Like Romeo And Juliet" is on a Varese Sarabande CD. The Relections' ABC cut, "Like Adam And Eve" is also out on a CD: Casino Classics Volume 2 available form Goldmine Soul Supply. Their UK based website is at: http://www.goldsoul.co.uk/page.htm This CD is more pop influenced than most northern soul compilations. It contains Jay Traynor's "Up And Over" a forgotten Bob Crewe effort from around 1966. Jay was the original Jay of Jay & The Americans and sang lead on "She Cried". Casino Classics Volume 2 also contains the following girl group essentials: Honey Bees She Don't Deserve You (Fontana, 1964) Gerri Thomas Look What I've Got (World Artists, 1965) Barbara English You Got Me (Sittin' In A Corner) (Aurora, 1966) Mamie Lee (I Can Feel Him) Slippin' Away (MGM, 1967) Spectropop members will find much to enjoy on this CD. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:27:11 -0000 From: Leonardo Flores Subject: Bob Lind Hello, I was very interesting that the Liner Notes of the CD Two-Fer reissue of his two LP's doesn't mention that he was in another group before he went solo. Although the name of the group slips me at the moment (the Castaways?) , does anybody know of a comp that might have these early Bob Lind Recordings from that group. Also does anybody know if his LPs on Capital and Verve have ever been released on CD? Can't get enough of Bob Lind, Cheers Uplandmod -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:10:58 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Reflections UK Although they never charted, there were UK covers of "Just Like Romeo & Juliet" which found their way onto later comps. But there was also a cover of the Van McCoy hit for the Reflections "In A Shabby Little Hut" - by Ron & Mel, produced by Mickie Most, and played to death on pirate radio. It was a lot later I learned about the original version, meanwhile I'd got hooked on this one. I think it saw a US release on Epic. Does anybody know who were Ron & Mel? A web search reveals they supported the Stones on their October 1964 Paris appearance. The flipside, written by Mel Williams, might be a clue? I've played their recording to musica for interest. From the messages I can't make out if anyone actually has the Reflections' Kay Co 45 (also released on Adam & Eve 1). If so, is "You Said Goodbye" the same song as the Teddy Bears recording? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:32:25 -0000 From: zombie7123 Subject: Online vinyl price guides? Are there any online price guides for '50s-'60s-'70s vinyl singles and LPs? There are plenty of other kinds of music reference guides online, but none that I can find for valuing old vinyl. All the collector's guides seem to be physical books only. Are there some good sites that I'm unaware of? Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:30:59 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: EVIE SANDS Original Message From Pat Johnson: > Is the Evie Sands version the original? I've been curious > about this song forever. Indeed, Evie Sands' fabulous rendition of "Take Me For A Little While" (Blue Cat 118) is the original. It "bubbled under" the Billboard Hot 100 in August 1965. Along with her three other recordings for the label, the track is available on the CD "The Red Bird Sound, Volume 2: Blue Cat Soul" (Diamond GEMCD 017). The lovely Evie - what a singer! - redid the song at A & M four years later. This version is also out on CD: "Any Way That You Want Me: The Complete A & M Recordings" (Japanese A & M/Universal UICY-3315). Well, time for me to unleash my bada bing! MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:35:36 -0400 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Thanx Thank you to everyone who's been providing discography and other info on the Reflections. Wish I had my Osborne and Umphred books with me but they're at home where my CPU still patiently awaits a modem to be installed. Then I could see what other Reflections groups are listed. Sounds like there are other, more extensive 45s lists out there that cite ALL 6Ts 45s, even those that may not be considered collectible globally. Anyone know of a website for this? (citations of year, artist and label, title would suffice). Also--as many of you know but JFTR, "Are You Ever Coming Home" was recorded by Andy Kim as the B side of "How'd We Ever Get This Way" in '68. I always thought Kim Weston (on the subject of "Kims") was the original Take Me For A Little While singer; now I'm not so sure, with Evie Sands who was rocking NYC as far back as was it '64 or '65? First version I ever heard was Vanilla Fudge's. Typically creepy with Stein stretching out the soul lyric until you wondered when he'd take the next breath - Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:21:24 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Standing In The Shadows Of Motown Mikey wrote: > MOST Motown classics, DEFINITELY have a 4/4 high hat pattern, > no matter what anyone says,listen to the RECORDS, boost the > high end, it's there. Absolutely, it's easy to spot in the stereo mixes where the drums/rhythm are often to one side. However, in the days of mono 45s and AM radio, the impressive feature of Motwon and Spector records was the thundering snare/backbeat, and there was usually enough percussion to mask the rest of the kit. In fact, being a record nut in my teens (as opposed to live bands), when I eventually got close up to a drumkit, and had to position mics, I wondered what the hi-hat actually did, commenting that "..I'd never heard one an any record I had!". But then I began to really listen, and sure enough it was in there knocking out 8s (accented 4s)throughout. I'm really looking forward to "Standing In The Shadows...", but I expect a fair bit of license for the sake of keeping the film interesting. The classic Motown records were rattled off cost-effectively by talented musicians (& singers) with style and fervour. The fabulous 'sound' was more a consequence of circumstance than some carefully conceived creative concept. Intellectualising came later as an inevitable companion to commercial success. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:25:33 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Re: "Girl Groups" Is Not "War and Peace" Hello All, I would like to thank everyone for rallying to my support. In answer to Will Stos' question, I couldn't e-mail this person off the group because there was no e-mail address for this person. Obviously, this person reads the Spectropop postings, so I figured if he or she were still reading, they'd see my post. Oakland, CA is entitled to his/her opinion as to whether or not he/she thinks my writing is good or no good or if my slant is not to his/her liking. When Will reviewed my book, he didn't agree with me on some points. I took offense to the fact that Oakland's tone was extremely snide and his/her attitude dismissive. Plus, to say that my discographies were incomplete is a joke! True, some chapters were missing entries, but for the most part, I'd say they were fairly complete. The big laugh was the inference that I wrote nice articles in exchange for the interviews themselves. Since Oakland fancies him/herself an accomplished critic, there should have been some interpretation beyond the text. If I didn't think something was up to par, I simply spent less time writing about it. You're correct, Will, I was too gracious. What I really should have said to Oakland is "OF COURSE THE ARTICLES ARE LAVISHED WITH PRAISE!! I'M A FAN, YOU POMPOUS IDIOT!!!!!!!! FANS DON'T TRASH THE PEOPLE THEY ADMIRE, BOZO!!!!!" But, I wanted to stay away from name calling. As for inviting him to e-mail me so we can talk about it, if he can manage to read between THAT line, all I can say is "hey, I'm from the Bronx! That's my stock answer to a challenge like that." To all of you, thank you again. Regards, John Clemente -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:32:40 +0200 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Online vinyl price guides? Zombie: > Are there any online price guides for '50s-'60s-'70s vinyl singles and LPs? > There are plenty of other kinds of music reference guides online, but none > that I can find for valuing old vinyl. All the collector's guides seem to be > physical books only. Are there some good sites that I'm unaware of? You may want to try http://www.recordmaster.com. It's pretty limited (no return for the Reflections, for example), but it's the only site I know of that has values listed. Have a ball, Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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