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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
                  http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm
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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: PAUL PELLETIER'S LABEL LISTS
           From: Stefan Wriedt 
      2. Release P.F. Sloan Vol. 2
           From: Mike Griffiths 
      3. Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: Tony Leong 
      4. My own Brian Wilson dream
           From: Jack Madani 
      5. Re: Brian Wilson dream
           From: Stratton 
      6. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: Will Stos 
      7. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: Patrick Rands 
      8. Re: Do Wah Diddy
           From: Phil Chapman 
      9. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: Stephanie Campbell 
     10. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: simon white 
     11. Girl group acetates discovered!
           From: Neil Hever 
     12. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: simon white 
     13. Starsailor/Phil Spector
           From: Will Stos 
     14. Re: Do Wah Diddy.......
           From: Will Stos 
     15. Re: Girl group acetates discovered!
           From: Mikey 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:47:51 +0200
   From: Stefan Wriedt 
Subject: Re: PAUL PELLETIER'S LABEL LISTS

original message:
> What?? Someone has criticised Paul Pelletier for publishing
> Record Label Discographies and selling them for money? Are they
> mad? Mr Pelletier deserves some sort of award for his services
> to record collectordom. His publications are labours of love.
> I have purchased many of them over the years. His booklets are
> very reasonably priced and are worth every penny. I doubt he ever
> made much money for all his hard work. And if he did he deserves
> every penny. It's called earning a living. I applaud Paul and join
> Kingsley in defending him. MICK PATRICK

in the end it comes to two questions:

1.
Why shall everything on the internet be free? This way you can't make it
living from your work and it opens the way for a lot of "copying" other
people's informations / work.
Please remember there are laws re. copyright all over the world ... these
include all ways of publishing, also internet ...
Collecting label information from writing down something of already
published phono. records might be difficult to fit into "copyrighted works",
but when it comes to previous unpublished info's, it's different ...

2.
If you really need the info's, why don't you pay for it? I'm sure you will
get every penny back from reading / using other people's publications - and
if it's for your delightment only. I'm sure you will buy a thriller /
fiction book if you want to read it - and will not wait until somebody
(ever) will put it on some internet site. If you don't need the info's for
your work, and you just collect it for your "hobby use", you can gather
enough of this from various (internet) sources.

Re. RIS / Paul Pelletier - his works are more than reasonable priced
(compare it to Michael Rupply's books) - so save a beer or two and buy the
label list you need - it also assures that his service is available for the
future. If nobody's getting back at least the cost he has for printing / ads
/ storage / distribution etc., nobody would be interested in putting out
publications like this anymore ...

I also join Kingsley and agree completely with Mick Patrick.

"It's called earning a living" is the main point ...
same with CDs - if everybody's just copying CDs, nobody's buying anymore (or
just 10% - 01 original = 10 copies), no company would be interested in
putting out new releases of minor interest and a low (IF ANY) profit margin.

If anybody wants to discuss this matter more deeply, please email privately
to: o-wriedt@gmx.net
I'd like to keep the list off (a sometimes endless) copyright discussion ...

Stefan



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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:54:39 -0000 From: Mike Griffiths Subject: Release P.F. Sloan Vol. 2 Hello all, I would like to enlist any help I can from lovers of 60's L.A. Pop, so I'm posting this here. If anyone wants to (write a message requesting the release of more P F Sloan demos) please eamil me at: mikegriffiths6@yahoo.com with a short paragraph (or more). I will forward the messages to Varese Sarabande. Thanks in advance. Mike Griffiths -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:20:39 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: Do Wah Diddy....... Hello, WHO recorded the very first version of "Do Wah Diddy"?? The Raindrops or the Exciters??? To be honest, out of all the versions I have heard, I think that Reparata and The Delrons did the best rendition!!!!!! Tony Leong -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:50:41 -0400 From: Jack Madani Subject: My own Brian Wilson dream I, too, had a Brian dream. Back in 1988, about a month before his first solo album came out, I dreamt that I heard a new Brian song on the radio. What I heard in my dream sounded uncannily like what turned out to be the wordless vocal break in the middle of Love and Mercy. I remember how happy and contented the music made me feel in my dream. I been twiddlin' the knobs on that radio ever since, but it has yet to glow green and float up into the air. But I still have hopes. Jack ps I mean to get back to some of the recent comments on the Boone sisters, soon's I get a few moments to think. Been darn busy lately, on top of which my school's email server held out on me for about a week recently and then dumped the entire backlog of hundreds of emails into my mailbox all at once. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:15:27 -0000 From: Stratton Subject: Re: Brian Wilson dream Dave Swanson wrote: > Wow! I had a dream that I had never actually heard that god > awful "Pet Sounds Live" cd, then morning came and reality set > in once again. It's been rough, but I'm coping with it one day > at a time. Are we to assume you consider this a "house-painting job" on an original painted masterpiece? Would this be a problem with all live re-creations of studio albums? Fascinating to me is that the Bootleg Beatles play a fine live redition of Sgt Pepper when I believe The Beatles themselves considered it too much of a task!. Stratton -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:10:44 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... Tony Leong wrote: > Hello, WHO recorded the very first version of "Do Wah Diddy"?? > The Raindrops or the Exciters??? To be honest, out of all the >versions I have heard, I think that Reparata and The Delrons did > the best rendition!!!!!! Hi Tony, I agree that Reparata and the Delrons recorded the best version of the song. I would think the Raindrops recorded it first because their whole album sounded like one long demo, but I remember reading somewhere that they were readying the release of their version when Manfred Mann had the hit. So, I'm not sure either way. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:07:01 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... Speaking of Do Wah Diddy - is the stereo version available on CD by the Exciters different than the mono single version??? I taped it off the radio and could swear it sounded different somehow (Jimmy B do you know - I taped it from your radio show?) :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:15:05 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy Best by far was the Spector-produced version by The Crystals which I dreamt about after hearing the Manfred Mann recording. It was a world-wide smash, and then I woke up:-( No other version comes near. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:14:34 -0700 From: Stephanie Campbell Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... I have never heard Reparata and the Delrons version but the one by the Exciters really rocks!!! It has a great drum beat and all but I think the Manfred Mann one is more commercial and it was the British Invasion at the time so it was bound to sell more. I think the Exciters got a raw deal because other than Tell Him and Hes Got the Power they never really had any more hits except some minor chart action. Heck the Chiffons had more hit records than they did. The Exciters were very talented and it's a shame they never topped Tell Him or did as well because they seemed like one of those groups who could have been around for a long time. Steph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:23:23 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... Will Stos wrote: > I agree that Reparata and the Delrons recorded the best > version of the song. I am deeply in love with Brenda Reid and I can take no part in this :-] -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:50:25 -0000 From: Neil Hever Subject: Girl group acetates discovered! Folks, I have three "Girl group" acetates. One has been identified (it came with the sheet music) and the other two are mysteries! They were at the bottom of a storage closet where they have languished for over 35 years. The one identified is Jackie DeShannon "Franklin Street". It is believed to be her demo with the Wrecking Crew. The other two titles are on Dick Charles Recording Service NYC acetates marked "Screen Gems". The titles are "He's Gonna Be Somebody" and "When This Little Girl Gets Through". They are both up-tempo, fully arranged demonstrations with female lead vocals, backing chorus and basic instrumentation and solos. HGBS sounds like the Cookies and the other track is a little harder to place. Any ideas? Cheers, Neil Hever -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:37:17 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... Stephanie Campbell wrote: > The Exciters were very talented and it's a shame > they never topped Tell Him or did as well because they seemed like > one of those groups who could have been around for a long time. Steph, Brenda recorded a lot of great stuff through the sixties,seventies, eighties and even nineties. Not all of it is to [general] Spectropop tastes though! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:04:23 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Starsailor/Phil Spector Found this on a Canadian entertainement web site: Starsailor records with Phil Spector By JAM! Music The much-hyped band Starsailor recently hooked up with legendary producer Phil Spector, who recorded two tracks for the English group. Britain's New Musical Express reports the band spent one week in a London studio with Spector in mid-July and it resulted in one song called "Silence Is Easy," and another untitled tune. "It was amazing being there with him," Starsailor's James Walsh told NME. "The songs sound great. It could not have gone better - it was just incredible." There have been discussions about Spector producing the follow-up album to Starsailor's debut, "Love Is Here," although nothing has been agreed to. The tracks mark the first time in 20 years that an artist has worked with Spector, noted for his famous "Wall of Sound" production that was prevalent in early 1960s pop. Spector last produced an album in 1980, when he was at the controls for the Ramones' "End Of The Century." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:16:13 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Do Wah Diddy....... Stephanie Campbell wrote: > I think the Exciters got a raw deal because other than Tell Him > and He's Got the Power they never really had any more hits except > some minor chart action. Heck the Chiffons had more hit records > than they did. Hey, hey! Let's not question the greatness of the Chiffons! Brenda Reid had a wonderful raw voice, but a lot of the early sixites stuff the group recorded was very sparce and even junky in my opinion. I draw your attention to "Get Him", most of the stuff on their first album, and some of their Roulette recordings. I found they sounded much better as 'soul' developped with songs like "A Little Bit Of Soap" and "Blowin' Up Your Mind." Their early singles were pretty good, especially "Do Wah Diddy", "Tell Him" and "He's Got The Power", but a good vocal group suffered from some poor production and songwriting. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:45:58 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Girl group acetates discovered! Neil....please email me off line. thanks!! Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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