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Spectropop - Digest Number 531



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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Orchids
           From: Jan Kristensen 
      2. Re: Annette
           From: Laura Pinto 
      3. Gary Usher related reissues
           From: Ron Weekes 
      4. Eternity's Children
           From: rgsauer 
      5. The Orchids
           From: Ian Slater 
      6. Re: Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying
           From: Peter Lerner 
      7. Re: Rev-Ola Re-Reissues
           From: Mark Frumento 
      8. The Orchids
           From: Jon 
      9. Re: Eternity's Children
           From: Cedric Chaillet 
     10. Re: Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     11. Rev Ola & Eternity's Children
           From: Dave Matthews 
     12. Re: Rev Ola
           From: Ron Weekes 
     13. Jan and Dean and Brian Wilson
           From: Will Stos" 
     14. Debbie Reynolds
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Re: Rev-Ola Re-Reissues
           From: Luis 
     16. Re: THE BREAKAWAYS
           From: Mick Patrick 
     17. Scopitone correction
           From: Country Paul 
     18. Re: Bluegrass Gals
           From: Bill George 
     19. Re: 2 of Clubs, two of country, Larry, Bobby, and Terry
           From: Country Paul 
     20. Phil Spector sessions question
           From: Mike Love Fan 
     21. Re: The Breakaways
           From: Jon 
     22. Re: The Breakaways
           From: Will Stos 
     23. Re: 2 of Clubs
           From: Will Stos 
     24. Re: Bobby Jameson
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     25. Re: THE ORCHIDS & THE ALLEN SISTERS
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:40:11 +0200
   From: Jan Kristensen 
Subject: Re: The Orchids

Regarding the Orchids, I can't remember if the story of the meeting 
of the Beatles and the Orchids has been told here on Spectropop.
On December 7th 1963 the Beatles sat in the panel on "Juke Box Jury" 
a British TV pop panel show. Their duty was to rate - hit or miss - 
some new records. Among the records they voted on was Elvis Presley 
"Kiss Me Quick", Swinging Blue Jeans "Hippy Hippy Shake", Shirley 
Ellis "The Nitty Gritty" and record no.9 the Orchids "Love Hit Me". 
John Lennon thought it was a steal from Uncle Phil's sound. Paul 
thought it was quite good to be a British record. They voted it a 
miss by 3 to 1. Then the Orchids were introduced to the Beatles, 
having been secretly present. John said it was a dirty trick.
Jan K



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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:58:14 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Annette Stuffed Animal: > Any additions/corrections, LP? Hey there, sorry for the delay in responding. There are few songs I love more than "Tall Paul", the Sherman Brothers' inauguration into the wonderful world of Disney. Get out your jump ropes and do a little double dutching! However, I also like my namesake, "Pineapple Princess", with its luau rockin' beat. ANNETTE RULES!!! Laura aka Pineapple Princess Pinto -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:47:44 -0600 From: Ron Weekes Subject: Gary Usher related reissues I haven't checked out Sundazed site for a while, but I was just there when I read in my Collector's Choice catalog that came in the mail yesterday that the Gary Usher produced "Of Cabbages and Kings" by Chad and Jeremy has been reissued by Sundazed. The track listings are: Chad & Jeremy- Of Cabbages And Kings CD The archetypal British Invasion moptop duo are caught in the winds of change. 1967's Of Cabbages And Kings, issued in the ample wake of Sgt. Pepper, is a horse of a different color, preferably paisley. From the Dickensian tombstone- tale of "Rest In Peace" to the ambitious five movements of "The Progress Suite," it's a perfect little slice of incense-and-peppermints pop/rock, as bracing today as ever. TRACK LISTING Rest In Peace The Gentle Cold Of Dawn Busman's Holiday Can I See You Family Way I'll Get Around To It When And If I Can The Progress Suite - Movements 1 Thru 5 -Prologue -Decline -Editorial -Fall -Epilogue BONUS TRACKS: Manners Maketh Man * The Gentle Cold Of Dawn (instrumental)* Cautionary Tale* Rest In Peace (single version) Painted Dayglow Smile (single version) Sister Marie *previously unissued I also noticed that they have reissued Curt Boettcher's "Just an Innocent Face". It's listings are: Curt Boettcher- There's An Innocent Face CD After taking sunshine pop to fabulous heights with the Millennium, Curt Boettcher embarked upon a solo career in 1973 with his Elektra debut, There's An Innocent Face, which stands as one of the most gloriously anachronistic albums of the time, seamlessly incorporating doo-wop, folk, and country with intense, concisely-crafted chunks of ear candy. This first-time CD reissue features notes by noted Boettcher biographer Dawn Eden, illustrated by previously unseen outtakes from the original album photo sessions. TRACK LISTING I Love You More Each Day Such A Lady She'll Stay With You Love You Yes I Do Without Her Bobby California The Choice Is Yours Malachi Star Lay Down I've Been Wrong Wufferton Frog Other's may be interested to know that Collector's Choice has the "Eternity's Children" CD available in their current catalog. I can't tell the label name. Maybe they got ahold of some copies of the Rev- Ola reissue. It contains twenty-five tracks so I'm guessing it's the same. Ron Weekes www.garyusher.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:40:47 -0000 From: rgsauer Subject: Eternity's Children Ron Weekes wrote: > Others may be interested to know that Collector's Choice > has the "Eternity's Children" CD available in their current > catalog. I can't tell the label name. Maybe they got hold > of some copies of the Rev-Ola reissue. It contains > twenty-five tracks so I'm guessing it's the same. Apparently the Cherry Red label is reissuing all the Rev-Ola releases. One of the first is "Eternity's Children" It's listed as a June 25 release by Amazon.com (the other)Ron -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:02:00 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: The Orchids Further to my last message (Digest no. 530), I should have mentioned another Orchids link (http://www.sneeze.dircon.co.uk/pretwon-t.html). I'd hoped to upload one one their Holtzman productions to Musica but failed miserably (I can't find how to copy CD tracks onto my hard drive, let alone do the clever stuff) so I've uploaded a picture to the Miscellaneous pictures file in Spectropop instead. I've also set out a full (That's a provocative assertion on this site - I'd love it to be proved incomplete!) UK / US discography below. The Girls' Scene is still available (buy it please) and has 2 of their best tracks on it - in fact I'd rate "Soldier Boy" as the best British record ever - and lead singer Georgina wrote it! Lots of other goodies from Decca's UK catalogue of the 60s too. It would be wonderful if the "lost" tracks were found and could appear in a Girls' Scene Vol. 2, as Ian Chapman said in his definitive article in the Spectropop girl group articles. Ian Slater The Orchids Discography United Kingdom Releases Decca F.11743. (20 September1963) Music Director: Mike Leander, Production: Talmy & Stone Gonna Make Him Mine (Lewis) Stay At Home (Talmy) Decca F.11785 (1963) Love Hit Me (Talmy) MD: Charles Blackwell, Production Talmy & Stone / Don't Make Me Mad (Berry, Matthew) MD: Gordon Franks, Prod. Marvin Holtzman Decca F.11861 (1964) I've Got That Feeling (Davies) MD: Charles Blackwell, Production Talmy & Stone / Larry (Hoffman, Klein) MD: Gordon Franks, Prod. Marvin Holtzman Decca LK 4620 - "Just for You" Film Soundtrack (1964) Mr. Scrooge (Hiller, Talmy) Produced by Shel Talmy Decca F.12100 (1965) (As the Exceptions) Soldier Boy (Oliver) Production: Larry Page What More Do You Want (Carter-Lewis, Ford), Production: Larry Page United States Releases London 9637 (1964) As the Blue Orchids Love Hit Me (Talmy) MD: Charles Blackwell, Production Talmy & Stone / Don't Make Me Mad (Berry, Matthew) MD: Gordon Franks, Prod. Marvin Holtzman London 9669 (1964) As the Blue Orchids Oo Chang-a-Lang (Talmy) I've Got That Feeling (Davies) MD: Charles Blackwell, Production Talmy & Stone Modern Re-releases Liverpool 1963-1964 Volume 2 -LP - See For Miles CM125 (1983) I've Got That Feeling Girl Zone - LP - Impact ACT 008 (1986) Mr. Scrooge Girls With Guitars - LP - Impact ACT 012 (1989) Oo Chang-a-Lang Pop Inside the 60s Vol. 1 - CD - See for Miles SEECD 386 Love Hit Me, Don't Make Me Mad The Girls' Scene - CD - Deram 844 897-2 (1999) Oo Chang-a-Lang, Soldier Boy Film Appearance "Just for You" 1964 ("Disk-o-Tek Holiday" in the USA) TV - "Ready Steady Go" - end November or early December 1963 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:14:44 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying Ken wrote: > Are you refering to the Gerry & The Pacemakers hit > (Marsden wrote that one, according to my LP label) > or a different song with the same title? Picking up on the "Don't let the sun catch you crying" correspondence, there are definitely two songs. One is the Gerry and the Pacemakers hit, and a completely different one is on one of my Jackie DeShannon albums. This latter was not written by Jackie or indeed by Bobby Darin, but according to the label was penned by Joe Greene, who was last known to me as a pen-name for the Italian opera composer Giuseppe Verdi (who says Spectropop does not reach the highest intellectual planes?) Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:07:20 -0400 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Re-Reissues > Apparently the Cherry Red label is reissuing all the Rev-Ola > releases. One of the first is "Eternity's Children" This is good news! and yet, also bad news. I was hoping to make a mint on my Rev-Ola releases by selling them on eBay. For a while some of them were going for decent money. Oh well, maybe my copy of Barnaby Bye's LP will be the bread winner! Seriously though, this is good news for those of us who missed a few of these great reissues. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:50:28 -0000 From: Jon Subject: The Orchids Good Lord.....I had no idea The Orchids looked like that! I thought they were a girl group from Detroit! Who'd have thunk it! Convetry...I was also surprised to finally see a picture of The Breakaways. These British girls could really put down that Wall of Sound! Oh how I wish they'd release a CD of the Breakaways. I think "That's How It Goes" is one of the all time best girl group recordings. Jon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:19:56 -0000 From: Cedric Chaillet Subject: Re: Eternity's Children (the other)Ron wrote: > Apparently the Cherry Red label is reissuing all the Rev-Ola > releases. One of the first is "Eternity's Children" It's > listed as a June 25 release by Amazon.com More than that it seems that the Rev-Ola label is back in business! Check this out psych pop fan!! : http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/june/4.htm -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:29:53 +0100 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying Right, So the one that Gerry hit with was his own composition, the one Ray Charles did was by the opera chappie "Joe Greene", which is also the Jackie DeShannon cut. So the Darin track & comp. Gerry Marsden did & charted with is "I'll Be There" !!! I'm glad that's clearer!!! Ken On The West Coast ps Darin did cut "When I Get Home" before the Searchers didn't he.? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:17:17 -0000 From: Dave Matthews Subject: Rev Ola & Eternity's Children Yes indeed, the great news for soft pop fans is that Rev-Ola are releasing material again through the Cherry Red label (http://cherryred.co.uk) The Eternity's Children CD has been re-released again with superior booklet whilst Thomas & Richard Frost's unreleased 1969 output also hits the record stores this month. Upcoming releases would appear to include Sandy Salisbury, Lee Mallory, Moon and Blades Of Grass. Thank you Joe Foster. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:23:18 -0600 From: Ron Weekes Subject: Re: Rev Ola So if I understand this correctly...does this mean Rev Ola which became Poptones is now Cherry Red? Ron Weekes www.garyusher.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:38:05 -0000 From: Will Stos" Subject: Jan and Dean and Brian Wilson A&E is showing a biography of Jan and Dean tonight at 8:00 p.m. followed by a two-hour special on the life of Brian Wilson. I suppose they're repeats, but just in case you missed them the first time like I did. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:18:44 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Debbie Reynolds FYI, forwarded from the Outsider Music group for your appreciation: "One of the first Scopitones ever made was Debbie Reynolds' "We'll Sing In The Sunshine." Reynolds owned the company that made most of the American Scopitones, Harman-ee Productions, so this Scopitone is probably what Reynolds wanted the rest of them to be like. In the end, the Scopitone business was a total fiasco for her, so there's something extra sad about the hopefulness of "We'll Sing In The Sunshine." It is also the most wholesome Scopitone you'll ever see (although the lyrics are a strange comment on the "virtues" of loveless relationships). "Debbie Reynolds' "We'll Sing In The Sunshine" can be found here: http://www.sharpeworld.com/weekly "Singing in the sunshine, Jennifer Sharpe in charge, http://www.sharpeworld.com" Limited shelf life on this site; in the words of Howard Tate, "Get it while you can." Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0000 From: Luis Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Re-Reissues If you check out the following links you can see more titles that are in the works: http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/april/1.htm http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/may/1.htm http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/newletters/june/4.htm I'm especially excited about the folowing titles Thomas & Richard Frost "Visualise" Blades of Grass The Moon Chris Lucey Bobby Jameson Mr.Foster always digs up the best. I've been wondering about the "Visualise" lp for a few years. I have a couple Thomas & Richard Frost 45's and one of them says "from the album Visualise". I figured it was never released because I couldn't find ANY info about it and nobody had ever seen it. The Moon Lp's are wonderful as well. Luis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:46:27 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: THE BREAKAWAYS Jon wrote: > ...the Breakaways. These British girls could really put down > that Wall of Sound! Oh how I wish they'd release a CD of > the Breakaways. I think "That's How It Goes" is one of the > all time best girl group recordings. Hi, Agreed, Jon, the Breakaways were wonderful. You might like to know that RPM are planning a CD by the group. And not before time. It will be a mixture of their own recordings and backup work for hip chicks like Andee Silver, Francoise Hardy, Sharon Tandy and a ton of others. Keep up to date on RPM stuff via their website at: http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk By the way, add the name of Millicent Martin to the list of artists the Breakaways sang backups for. Or am I teaching M. Anthony how to suck an egg?! :-) MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:33:20 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Scopitone correction Again forwarded from Jennifer Sharpe: "In my last posting, I should have said that one of the first American Scopitones ever made was Debbie Reynolds' "We'll Sing In The Sunshine." ...Scopitones were thriving in France long before they ever came to the U. S." Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:59:13 EDT From: Bill George Subject: Re: Bluegrass Gals Mike, Far from charging you with sacrilege, I applaud your musical tastes. As a country musician myself, I find nothing wrong with your appreciation of bluegrass. Alison Krauss has one of the purest voicest around. I'm not as big a fan of Patty Loveless, but I would never chastise anyone for liking her. I certainly don't dislike her. Two nights ago I had the pleasure of seeing Dolly Parton in concert on the first concert of her first tour in ten years. It was all acoustic and she was exceptional, as was her band. She performed old songs and new, and covered her rather cheesy 80s pop period with a nice acapella set surrounded by four of her guys. I won't go on about other artists I'm enjoying, as it is off topic. But I certainly listen to more country than girl groups (ouch, quit throwing things at me!!!!) Listen on.... Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:20:46 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: 2 of Clubs, two of country, Larry, Bobby, and Terry 2 of Clubs had the one mid-chart hit and disappeared. Don't know where to find a Fraternity label discography to find out if there was an LP or follow-ups. Rashkovsky, I second you on Allison Krause; like Emmylou Harris (or George Jones), she could sing the phone book and be interesting. Patty Loveless I'm still working on, but most of the work is positive. Like most of us in this group, as music lovers, we like many genres. You've topped off two good ones there; I'd put Emmylou or Dolly Parton's non-pop (except for "Happy Happy Birthday Baby," but that's really - and real - rock) including her recent return to her roots in your Patty Loveless slot, though. Guess I should check out the Million $ Girl Groups and Doo Wop titles; thanks for the eye-openers, group. Is "Larry" by the Orchids a cover of the song of the same title by the Allen Sisters of Canada and released on Shell in the US? Peter Lerner, re: Bobby Jameson, his most promising album was on Verve (US); he had one song with the refrain, "See dawn see dawn, setting sun" or some such lyric, that actually got some US airplay. I think he also had some tracks on Talamo, which if I'm not mistaken was run by a sham preacher with a large cult following in the early-to-mid 60s. Anyone with more info? Finally, Terry & the Tunisians were indeed on Seville, which in the US was distributed by London; as a DJ at the time, my copy is on the orange "fan" background common to all London-distributed labels, hence my confusion. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:06:27 EDT From: Mike Love Fan Subject: Phil Spector sessions question Has anyone published, or put on-line, a "sessionography" of Phil's sessions, especially from the 60s? I'd love to know stuff like when "Be My Baby" was tracked, etc. It doesn't have to be as detailed as, say, Mark L's book on the Beatles, but something. Even in the Spectropop database, there isn't anything like this. On a related note, while researching, there is supposed to be a book out on Leon Russell that will have a section on his sessionography, including the Spector years. But apparently it hasn't been released yet. Supposedly, it's due in "September" but the web page's date looks like it was done in 2000. Does anyone know about this? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:27:10 -0000 From: Jon Subject: Re: The Breakaways Thanks for the update on a forthcoming cd of the Breakaways. I bookmarked that record site and will frequently check in to see when it's available. If you hear....please let us know. I wait with baited breath! Jon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:26:04 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: The Breakaways Mick Patrick wrote: > ...RPM are planning a CD by the (Breakaways). And not before > time. It will be a mixture of their own recordings and backup > work for hip chicks like Andee Silver, Francoise Hardy, Sharon > Tandy and a ton of others. Keep up to date on RPM stuff via > their website at: http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! More, Mick Patrick, tell us more! I checked the RPM site - I couldn't find any reference to the possible release. Seeing a collection of the Breakaways work is something so many fans have been longing for. Why, if I heard a boxed set of my favourites the Chiffons was also around the corner, I could die a happy man. Of course, I would die a happier man after listening to both : ) Will -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:30:48 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: 2 of Clubs Country Paul wrote: > 2 of Clubs had the one mid-chart hit and disappeared. Don't > know where to find a Fraternity label discography to find out > if there was an LP or follow-ups. The cut posted to musica reminded me of two things. The breathy stacatto lead sounded similar to a song I've heard but am unfamiliar with. Has anyone seen that Simpsons episode wher Homer sings along to a song with the lyrics 'I am a freakazoid..." It could have been a huge hit, but I hadn't heard of it other than that episode. Also, even though they probably have no relation what so ever, I thought I heard a hint of Ellie Greenwich. Maybe just the way the words were annunciated. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:24:01 -0000 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Bobby Jameson The "Talamo" 45s sound very intriguing. Here was a very talented singer whose LP "Color Him In", the one on Verve (1967?) I picked up only a few years back. Gentle yet haunting folk-pop sound somewhere between Tim Rose and Leonard Cohen or Noel Harrison--somewhere in that vast wilderness...!! I believe "See Dawn" is included on this LP, which is most probably his best-known output. Wish I knew more about him myself. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:57:35 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: THE ORCHIDS & THE ALLEN SISTERS Country Paul: > Is "Larry" by the Orchids a cover of the song of the same > title by the Allen Sisters of Canada and released on Shell > in the US? Hi, Yes, Paul, the two groups cut the same Hoffman/Klein song. Both versions were released in 1964. Dunno which came first. Thanks for confirming the nationality of the Allen Sisters. I had always been a bit confused about their country of origin. I own one other rather good 45 by this group, "Dream Boy", issued on the Canadian label Quality, on which they sound quite convincingly British. Now I know they weren't. Thanks. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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