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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Toys "Attack"
           From: Will Stos 
      2. Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes
           From: Rat Pfink 
      3. Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes
           From: Mikey 
      4. Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes
           From: Rat Pfink 
      5. Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes
           From: Phil Chapman 
      6. Marsha & C/Kathy, two Innocents, other quick notes, and a request for help
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Stereo on Doris Day Release
           From: Diana Hall 
      8. Nita Rossi
           From: simon white 
      9. Re: Marsha & C/Kathy, two Innocents, other quick notes, and a request for help
           From: Phil Chapman 
     10. The Liquid Room 7/7/02
           From: David Ponak 


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:43:52 -0000
   From: Will Stos 
Subject: The Toys "Attack"

The lovely ladies who sang "A Lover's Concerto" are this week's 
featured artist on the Girl Group Chronicles' web site at 
http://www.geocities.com/williamstos Read about their fascinating 
career, and how you can see them perform later this year!

Will : )




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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:54:58 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes Did Spector actually produce alternate stereo mixes or are these examples of that electronically simulated "fake stereo" that was prevalent at the time? At 10:27 PM 7/7/02 -0000, you wrote: >I am new to this group and have recently been jonesin' to hear >unreleased Phil Spector tracks and especially any stereo mixes. >I know that there is a "Ronettes...featuring Veronica" in stereo >and I just saw a stereo copy of "A Christmas Gift for You" >on eBay ...for $40 ...yikes. Can anyone please help me out? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:26:39 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes Rat Pfink: > Did Spector actually produce alternate stereo > mixes or are these examples of that electronically > simulated "fake stereo" that was prevalent at the > time? They are not fake stereo. The 5 Cd "Sessions" CDs floating around are "safety" tapes that were made on a two track tape recorder that Phil had running for the entire time of every session. It was used to capture rehearsal takes, first run throughs, tune ups, ect, things that might be otherwise erased on the true session reels. Phil did this because many times, a musician might play a great riff or something like that warming up or on a first take. Phil would play the safety back and say.."Hear that thing you played...do that in the bridge or at the ending fade". Hal Blaine says a lot of the great riffs that ended up on the records came about this way, like the itchy piano intro to "Hes a Rebel"...that may have been Don Randi just fooling around on a break. Some of the tapes are missing vocals, ect, but its really AMAZING to hear these, you are put right into the studio at a 1963 Spector Session. I feel like Nino Tempo when I hear these..... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:05:44 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes Mikey: >They are not fake stereo. The 5 Cd "Sessions" CDs floating around >are "safety" tapes that were made on a two track tape recorder that >Phil had running for the entire time of every session. That's interesting but I was referring to the stereo copies of "Ronettes...featuring Veronica" & "A Christmas Gift for You" floating around on eBay that the original poster alluded to. I assumed they were legit original LPs. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:06:49 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Phil Spector stereo mixes Rat Pfink wrote: > Did Spector actually produce alternate stereo > mixes or are these examples of that electronically > simulated "fake stereo" that was prevalent at the time? The Ronettes, Christmas Gift, Righteous Brothers, Ike & Tina Turner, Checkmates Ltd albums were all released in true stereo at various times, although, in the case of the first three, they were recorded mainly three-track, so the stereo picture is something like: rhythm (left), vocals (centre), strings (right). I prefer these particular tracks in mono, but it is interesting to dissect the arrangements, which are more clearly audible on the stereos. Just to add to the confusion there are also 'stereo playable mono' versions, which don't sound that great. And, as Mikey said, the session CDs are truly amazing. You get to hear the arrangement and balance honed to perfection up to the master take. One of my favourites is "Baby I Love You", which, as an engineer (UK) in the 70s onwards, I was often encouraged to recreate the sound using multi-track, only to discover, decades later, from these session takes, that the whole rhythm/percussion/horns racket happened all at once! It's a real buzz to hear the takes break down, giving an opportunity to work out just how many musicians contributed to that incredible noise. If only there were more of these tapes. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:12:58 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Marsha & C/Kathy, two Innocents, other quick notes, and a request for help Just back from vacation - catching up on old news: First and foremost, RIP Rosemary Clooney - a fascinating personal story, a superb singer, another great loss. David Ponak: glad to see The Cryan Shames' "Greenberg, Glickstein, David Smith & Jones" on your show. Their best, IMO. Thanks to everyone for the Marsha Brody/Cathy Lynn/Kathy Lynn info; I never thought such a long thread would emerge! (And it does seem obvious that they're two different women; I'd like to know more on the Buena Vistas/Rockin' Rebels relationship, though). I'll keep an eye out for the two Marsha Brody 45's Simon White mentioned. Bobster, I think I remember a Lambert/Ross production team out of NYC, the former being Dennis Lambert who had an album or two as a solo artist, and the latter probably Jerry Ross. Memory fails beyond this. Can anyone help here, please? By the way, Peter Lerner, Milton DeLugg was a major orchestra leader in the late 40's early 50's and beyond; his biggest claim to fame was as music director of the Milton Berle TV show, America's first TV superstar (who just passed on recently at age 93). In his heyday - well before my time - Berle would introduce the band as "Milton DeLugg and the Band with a thug." Guess you had to have been there.... Jimmy B.: I agree that "My Wife" is an excellent song; I prefer the version by Entwistle on his solo lp, where the drummer cooks rather than bashes; thus the track drives more brightly than the Who. (I know I'll get heat for that comment). Of course I was sorry for his early death, but I never was a Keith Moon fan. Re: Matt G's request for songs, I sent you a bunch off-list, but I'll mention two of them here - Jeff Barry's "I'll Still Love You" (the best Marvin Gaye song Marvin Gaye never sang, and sadly not a hit) and the Beatles' "Hard Day's Night," whose opening chord defines summer. Oh okay, one more: Martha and the Vandellas' "Dancin' In The Street", the soundtrack for an early morning run to Jones Beach, NY on a hot summer day in 1964. (Geez, I just dated myself....) FYI, all, the NRBQ song is "Ridin' In My Car," not "Drivin'". Jim Cassidy: "Pour a gallon in me, Allen," is definitely "Transfusion" by Nervous Norvus (Dot, 1957); try getting a Top 10 hit with one vocal, one guitar and sound effects today. And on the subject of wierd songs - and videos - the Tokyo Folk Crusaders' "I Only Live Twice" really takes the cake http://www.legnog.com/music/iol2x/ - I believe the animator is one James Allenspaugh from Chicago, and is not connected with the musical artists. I saw the video at an Outsider Music video presentation by Irwin Chusid and company in New York a few months back - check the link on the screen to http://www.incorrectmusic.com The show is off WFMU for now, but the site rages on! Will George: The original "Teach Me Tiger" (I've never heard the other two versions) by April Stevens on Imperial in 1959 was considered too risque for most radio stations at the time, but it became a hit anyway. It's on the Nino & April CD comp from Varese a while back, probably still in print, which also features the delicious April/Nino collaboration, "Together", more subtle, much more sexy, and the flip side of the wonderful "Sweet and Lovely." And Mick Patrick, your April/Nino notes are great; thanks for the post. (Also, Mick, thanks for mentioning Terry & the Tunisians' "The Street". Great rockin' girl-group sound! Only one 45 [London, 1965?], or were there more?) Re: Bobby Jameson, I know that he was highly suicidal and tried to end his life at least twice. In typical-of-the-time MGM promotional style, they tried to use that fact as a "selling point" to radio stations during his recording tenure on Verve, like it was cool. I'm not sure that piece of information ever made it into print, though. Bobby Jameson brings to mind Bobby James - or actually Jim West, the "mistiest" voice of the Innocents - who had a wonderful 45, "5000 Tears Ago," on Indigo after the group stopped having hits. Great girl-group harmonies behind him. (His voice sounds so much like Ritchie Valens or the gentleman who sings lead for Los Lobos.) Does anyone know of any other Innocents' solo records? Is anyone familiar with their post-Indigo work? (I'm not.) And has this group been discussed at length here? Also speaking of Innocents, here's another suggestion to check out Les Innocents on French Virgin. Many CD's (some okay, some not), but the brilliant one IMO is "Un Monde Parfait" from 1995; you'd swear the Beatles were speaking French. Search it out - you'll thank yourself, especially if you know any French. Finally, our vacation in Portugal was great - but as I don't know the language, I reach out for your help in identifying a contemporary English-language song I heard on the radio, folky-rocky, by an American-accented female singer; paraphrasing the lyrics of the chorus - something about "a boy in a tower, throwing himself off every hour...and if you think he's crazy, so am I." Any help on- or off-list as to the artist, CD name, availability, etc., is much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:51:09 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Diana Hall Subject: Stereo on Doris Day Release Didn't get an opportunity to listen to the whole CD again... but 3 of the 4 Nitzsche arrangements are in stereo. Only "Rainbow's End" appears to be mono. "Move Over Darling" sounds great as does "Let the Little Girl Limbo" and "Twinkle Lullaby". "Oo-Wee Baby", the other Mann-Weill tune is in mono as well. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:05:09 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Nita Rossi Ken Silverwood : > Tell me about "Untrue, Unfaithful (That Was You)" - do I recall > this by maybe Patsy Ann Noble? I don't know the Patsy Ann Noble version, Ken. I'd like to though! The song [by Nita Rossi] is a particular favourite of mine. Written by 'G. Mills', so I'm assuming it's Tom Jones' manager? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:48:28 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Marsha & C/Kathy, two Innocents, other quick notes, and a request for help Country Paul wrote: > (Geez, I just dated myself....) Well, I'll be blowed..... narcissism on Spectropop! Have a great night:-) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:57:34 -0400 From: David Ponak Subject: The Liquid Room 7/7/02 The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), airs every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK Los Angeles, as well as streaming at http://kpfk.org. Thanks to the talented and hunky Tony Tucci for guest hosting in for me over the holiday weekend. I'll be back this week! Contact Tony at: radiocave@earthlink.net The Liquid Room 7/7/02 1. Mellow Cads/Loveland Soft As A Rock (Franklin Castle) 2. Sidonie/Sidonie Goes To London (Le Hammond Inferno Mix) The New Testament Of Funk 4 (Acid Jazz) 3. Sunaga't Experience + Jackson 5/The Love You Save Soul Source: Jackson 5 Remixes 2 (Polydor) 4. Eileen/These Boots Are Made For Walkin' Femmes De Paris: Groovy Sounds From The 60's (Anthology's) 5. Puffy/Nagisa Ni Matsuwaru Et Cetera (FPM Remix) A Japan Not For Sale Special (Epic) 6. Jerzy Milian/Sensational Luciano Bazaar: Rare Gems From Poland (Cosmic Sounds) 7. Zuco 103/Brazil 2002 Tales Of High Fever (Six Degrees) 8. Wes Montgomery/California Dreaming California Dreaming (Verve) 9. Super Furry Animals/Juxtaposed With U Rings Around The World (XL Recordings) 10. Belle + Sabastian/Wandering Alone Storytelling (Matador) 11. Jiva/Love Chooses Lovers Soul Sessions (Giant Step) 12. Kathleen Emery/Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child What Is Wrong With Groovin' (Jazzman) 13. Peace Orchestra/Double Drums (DJ DSL Mix) Peace Orchestra Reset (G-Stone) 14. Antonio Carlos Jobin/Brazil Stone Flower (CTI/Epic Legacy) 15. James Brown On Organ/Our Day Will Come Resort + Music: Mediterranean Sea (Universal Music K.K.) 16. Arkestra One/Man From The Audience Arkestra One (Cosmic Sounds) 17. Dynamo Dresden/Playtime Dynamo Dresden Demo CDR 18. Mellow/Seek You CQ OST (Emperor Norton) 19. Capa Rezza/Tutto Cio Che C'e (Cool Beat Remix) CD Single (Virgin Italy) 20. Mishelle Shaprow/If I Lost You (Remix) King Britt Presents: Scuba Hidden Treasures (Om) 21. Peter Thomas Sound Orch./Oh, Oh, Ooooh, Ei Ei Ei Peter Scores (Diggler) 22. Yuka Honda/Single Silver Bullet Memories Are My Only Witness (Tzadik) 23. SSY + Jackson 5/Ain't No Sunshine Soul Source: Jackson 5 Remixes 2 (Polydor) 24. Koop + Terry Callier/In A Heartbeat Soul Sessions (Giant Step) 25. Streamer/Gambia Dub Plates From The Lamp 2 (Pork) 26. Os Mutantes/Baby Technicolor (Universal) 27. Smoove/4 Real The New Testament Of Funk 4 (Acid Jazz) 28. Orch. Horst Jankowski/Pata Pata Get Easy Vol. 4 (Motor) 29. Fantastic Plastic Machine/Todos Os Desejos (Remix) King Britt Presents: Scuba Hidden Treasures (Om) 30. Francoise Hardy/If You Listen If You Listen (Virgin France) 31. Dee Felice Trio/Wichita Lineman In Heat (Micro Cosmic Sound) 32. Jorge Ben/Oba La Vem Ela Joe Claussell Music... A Reason To Celebrate (Urban Theory) 33.Shawn Lee/Happiness Soul Sessions (Giant Step) 34. Vesselin Nikolov/Hallelujah Sunset-Sunrise: Rare Gems From Bulgarian Vaults (Cosmic Sounds) 35. Paul Piot/Tous En Scene CQ OST (Emperor Norton) 36. Bertrand Bergalat + AS Dragon/The Tears Of A Clown Bertrand Bergalat Meets AS Dragon (Tricatel) 37. Julie London/Light My Fire Jazz Chillout (Blue Note) 38. The Velvet Underground/Sunday Morning The Velvet Underground & Nico: Deluxe Edition (Polydor) 39. Bobby Hughes Combination + Karin Krog/Karin's Kerma 12 Inch Single (Stereo Deluxe) 40. Nina Simone + Masters At Work/See Line Woman Verve Remixed (Verve) 41. Paul Williams/Mornin' I'll Be Movin' On Someday Man (Reprise) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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