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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Bonnie Was a Treasure
           From: Phil Milstein 
      2. Margo Guryan covers
           From: J.H. Ket 
      3. Re: Sugar Shoppe/Mamma Mia!
           From: Stewart Mason 
      4. Re: My Dad
           From: Norman 
      5. Re: Early Motown
           From: simon white 
      6. Re:  Thoroughly Modern Millie
           From: simon white 
      7. Gold/Deene/Jodelles
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
      8. Catch-up notes
           From: Paul Payton 
      9. Stu Phillips
           From: Paul Payton 
     10. Re: Chiffons LMLYGLM
           From: Will Stos 
     11. Re: The Carolines
           From: Jack Madani 
     14. Re: My Dad
           From: Dan Hughes 
     15. Re: Early Motown
           From: Dan Hughes 
     16. Re: My Dad
           From: Mikey 
     17. Re: Early Motown
           From: simon white 
     18. Cancon Girl Groups
           From: Vlaovic B 
     19. Re: Cancon Girl Groups
           From: Will Stos 
     20. Re: Cancon Girl Groups
           From: Vincent Degiorgio 
     21. Re: Shelley
           From: Ron Buono 
     22. Chiffons/Toni Wine
           From: Don Charles 
     23. Motown
           From: simon white 
     24. Roger Nichols songs
           From: laughingmood 
     25. Chiffons LMLYGLM
           From: Mark Frumento 


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:46:00 +0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Bonnie Was a Treasure

All the talk on Charlotte O'Hara recently has finally yielded the
article "Bonnie Was a Treasure," posted today to the website of the
American Song-Poem Music Archives at
http://www.aspma.com/news.htm#bonnie. The article relates the story of
the "Home Of The Brave" singer's alternate career, under the name Bonnie
Graham, doing sessions for the song-poem label Preview Records (s-p
primer: http://www.aspma.com/what_is.htm), which situated her as likely
the only singer recorded by both Phil Spector and his song-poem
counterpart, Rodd Keith. The article includes a photo of Charlotte and
her young daughter Jana (reprinted from PHILately #7), and a pop-up
discography encompassing her legit and song-poem work alike.

My thanks to all who helped out in the preparation of this piece.

--Phil Milstein




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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:49:07 +0200 From: J.H. Ket Subject: Margo Guryan covers Hello, I like to add one Margo Guryan cover by a dutch male vocal harmony pop group. The Buffoons - Sunday morning (1967) Hans Ket -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:56:11 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Sugar Shoppe/Mamma Mia! Greg Simpson mentions: > Another act not mentioned, largely because they were two and two > (girls and boys) was the Sugar Shoppe who may have thought they were > the Canadian Mamas and Papas but were, in fact, unconsciously > supplying a template for ABBA, although it's doubtful their music > made it as far as Sweden. The guys, by the way, were Peter Mann, > later well known as one of the top vocal arrangers in the business > for such as The Laurie Bower Singers, and a pretty fair producer, > too, for The Nylons; and Tony Award winner Victor Garber, who has > the good habit of showing up in blockbuster movies like Titanic. Not to mention he's the only thing I've found to like about the otherwise rather dull TV show ALIAS, on which he plays the bad-ass spy father of the bas-ass spy heroine. I have the Sugar Shoppe's album, and it's a little slight but really quite good, with a nice show-tune edge that suits the material but might put some people off. The two female singers, by the way, were Lee Harris and Laurie Hood, who I actually think are better singers than Victor and Peter. (And, if I may make a sidebar comment about Ms. Hood: yum.) Speaking of show tunes and Toronto, I'm just back from my honeymoon there, where my wife and I finally saw the ABBA musical, Mamma Mia! As an enormous ABBA fan, I was looking forward to the music but dreading everything else, given the current state of Broadway librettos. As it turns out, the story was better than I expected, with some genuinely amusing bits and (for once) an ending I didn't see coming down King Street from a mile away. I'm not saying it's Kiss Me Kate or anything, but I had a much better time than I was expecting. Stewart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 06:56:54 +0930 From: Norman Subject: Re: My Dad Jimmy wrote; > Awww! It's true... I defy anyone to listen to "My Dad," in all > its innocent mawkishness, and not burst into tears. I have it > on a CD called "Donna Reed's Dinner Party", and I lose it every > time. So sue me. Being a person who is easily led, I picked my copy of Paul Petersen's "My Dad" of the shelf and played it. Well, what can I say! Surely, this was not a hit. I vaguely remember watching this popular show but I think I am more familiar with Paul Petersen as the guy who nowadays supports other ex-child stars. My copy is released on the PYE label (Australia) via PYE England and Colpix USA. My Dad (Mann-Weill) / Little Boy Sad (Walker) Paul Petersen PYE PP-188 Arranged by Stu Phillips. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:37:24 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Re: Early Motown Dan Hughes wrote > Back in the early 60's in one of those 5-for-88 cents "Hits You > Missed" packs (actually mostly Flops You Missed), I got an early > Temptations single called "Check Yourself". The rhythm and the tune > were quite off-kilter, and I found it so bad that I enjoyed > listening to it; it was fascinating, like a train wreck. I love this tune! There are also versions by The Intruders, Gene Chandler and The Duprees too! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:37:25 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Re: Thoroughly Modern Millie Don Charles wrote: > I'm extremely happy that "Millie" has won the Tony award for best > Broadway musical of 2002. I can't wait to see it myself, and I > hope it brings some much-deserved attention to the original 1967 > movie starring Julie Andrews, Carol Channing, Beatrice Lillie and > Mary Tyler Moore. Somewhere in the vault I have a 45 of a radio ad for the film, with snippets of song and dialogue and an announcers voice. It's all jolly good clean fun!..........unlike the one I have for "Streetgirls"..... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:02:54 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Gold/Deene/Jodelles Ken Gold and Micky Deene are part of the long standing East London 'harmony mafia' - to explain - it is my personal theory, supported by Tony Rivers, that a lot of the groups/ musicians in the East of London and England were heavily influenced by the 'pirate' radio stations that were anchored off the east coast in the sixties. They played a lot of US pop that didn't figure elsewhere, and consequently many of the best harmony bands came from East London and Essex. Gold and Deene are or have been mates with Tony, Adrian Baker and others and have been involved with many of the one off studio projects over the years, but also including Real Thing's biggies. Micky Deene was on hand as one of the accapella group that Tony organised when Brian Wilson popped in on the UK Convention in 1988. Both have had their own projects as well of course. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:04:19 -0400 From: Paul Payton Subject: Catch-up notes Stephane and company, thank you for the Don Grady/Agrati 45 discog. I have the two on Canterbury. I believe "Children of St. Monica" was an AM hit on the West Coast (someone have more details?) and is sweet and poppy, but "Impressions with Syvonne" was always my outstanding favorite - very "FM" and creative. I have commercial 45's in stereo. Also on the same label was The New Wave - "Where Do We Go From Here" is mournful and pretty. Any info on this duo? John Rausch, thanks for the Stu Phillips link. I e-mailed him, complimenting him on one of my favorite Ronettes' tracks, "Memory" (May 45-120), and inquiring whether he (as producer) or the group came up with the Marcels' famous bass signature on "Blue Moon". Will pass on info of note if any is returned. Kingley Abbott mentioned the Flying Pickets. My only exposure to them is rthe gorgeous acapella "Only You," which Dr. Demento (!) played on his program in the '80's. Is it availabl;e on CD in the US, please? Rex Srother: Re: Era, according to Both Sides Now, http://www.bsnpubs.com/era.html Herb Newman and Lew Bedell owner the label (and subsids including Dore and Monogram) from its inception, then sold the label to K-Tel in the 70's, which reissued several CD's using the same Era logo in the 90's. There's a good discography at the URL above. Re: Ava Records, I believe the company was owned by Fred Astaire; thus, the dancing logo. I don't know what happened to its catalog. Thanks for the Gene Page page, http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Gene%20Page.html It is part of a larger site which is an excellent repository for thumbnail biographies of hundreds of soul and soulful singers, many familiar to Spectropoppers. (This is no doubt old news to some, but new to me....) By the way, didn't Gene Page also do some arranging and/or producing for Chess/Checker/Argo (later Cadet)? Still catching up, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:26:00 -0400 From: Paul Payton Subject: Stu Phillips Thanks to John Rausch, I checked out Stu Phillips' site, and sent him an e-mail inquiring about the famous hook on "Blue Moon" by the Marcels (and confessing my love for his production of "Memory" by the Ronettes). He wrote back: "...The bass part on Blue Moon was a collaborative project. The bass riff is actually from an old doo-wop record. The idea of using the song Blue Moon over the bass line was mine. For the entire story of the recording of Blue Moon you will have to read my book titled "Stu Who?" which will be available in Sept. 2002. Also in the book are stories about the Ronettes, Shelley Fabares, James Darren and much, much more. Plus Galactica... The Monkees... Knight Rider etc. Your idea about putting together a CD of some old 45s that did not get into any albums has merit. I have been thinking along that same line for some time. I definitely will now give it some serious thought...." That could be one heck of a CD, and the book should be a good read! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:34:36 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Chiffons LMLYGLM David Bell wrote: > ...Toni Wine sang lead on the Chiffons' "Love Me Like You're > Gonna Lose Me"? I'm devastated!!! What? Did I miss a post? I'm sure I hear Judy on the record (her voice is pretty distinct, and although Sylvia's is less distinct, I thought it was her too! I'm going to check it out again on musica! Will PS - David is right, either way, I'll still love it. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:22:07 -0500 From: Jack Madani Subject: Re: The Carolines Mick Patrick wrote about the Carolines: >The two tracks concerned were released back-to-back on Roulette >4709 late in 1966. "Can't Stop Lovin' The Boy" was written by > Larry Weiss and Tom Catalano. The B-side, "You're My Baby", > was a solo Weiss composition. Both sides were arranged by > Artie Butler and produced by Larry Weiss for Glamorous Productions. > To my knowledge, the group released no other records. I just wanted to mention that, a couple of years ago on this list when we had nothing better to do, we were suggesting songs that were the ultimate, quintessential, defining girlgroup sound. I nominated "Can't Stop Lovin' The Boy." FWIW. http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/m445.html jack -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:13:18 -0000 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: My Dad Norman sez, > I picked my copy of Paul Petersen's > "My Dad" of the shelf and played it. > Well, what can I say! Surely, this was not a hit. Hard as it may be to believe, it went to number 6 in Billboard and stayed in the top 40 for 10 weeks (Dec 62-Feb 63). ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:13:37 -0000 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Early Motown Simon writes (of the Temptations' Check Yourself), > I love this tune! There are also versions by The Intruders, > Gene Chandler and The Duprees too! Strangely enough, I love it too - now. It took a heap of getting used to, though. I had no idea anyone else had ever recorded it. Thanks for the info! ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:28:17 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: My Dad dan hughes: > Hard as it may be to believe, it went to number 6 in Billboard > and stayed in the top 40 for 10 weeks (Dec 62-Feb 63). >>>>>I dont know why anyone would find that hard to believe. The record was made by a teenager FOR teenagers and had the clout of a top rated TV show behind it. I mean, there were a whole SLEW of those kinds of records and lots of 'em were hits. Remember that was a much more innocent time!! Wish we had those days back, to tell ya the truth. Your Friend, Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:42:08 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Re: Early Motown Dan Hughes wrote > Simon writes (of the Temptations' Check Yourself), >> I love this tune! There are also versions by The Intruders, >> Gene Chandler and The Duprees too! > > Strangely enough, I love it too - now. It took a heap of getting > used to, though. I had no idea anyone else had ever recorded it. > Thanks for the info! > > ---Dan It's interesting this because experience has taught me that if I buy a 45 and there's even a LITTLE bit of it I like then that I should keep it because when I go back to it years later I'm often blown away with how good it is ! I know exactly what you mean Dan with "Check Yourself" because it has an.... unusual quality which sounds very different to anything else from the time....which partly explains its non hit status! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:49:00 -0400 From: Vlaovic B Subject: Cancon Girl Groups <> That'd be me. Sorry didn't mean to suggest that Les Filles Vernon were Canadian, only that they charted in Canada, whereas in the States they didn't. Someone mentioned Quebecoise late 70s disco dollies Toulouse. Not really a girl group per se, but really a terrific group of girls who managed a small handful of minor anglo hits circa 77-78. I remember as teen loving them, but wondering why they were never bigger than they actually were. Some of their songs sounded much like what Dusty Springfield might've sounded like if she'd been doing low-level funk in Montreal in 1977. THeir best song though 'Don't play with my Heart' which worked around a Motown hook (Same Old Song) might have stood a better chance if KC & The Sunshine Band hadn't come out with their revival of same song at the same time. Come to think of I think Toulouse did back-up vocals for the aforementioned Patsy Gallant....ah, late 70s Montreal disco music..... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:02:25 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Cancon Girl Groups Someone mentioned Quebecoise late 70s disco dollies Toulouse. Vlaovic B wrote: > Not really a girl group per se, but really a terrific group of > girls who managed a small handful of minor anglo hits circa 77-78. > I remember as teen loving them, but wondering why they were never > bigger than they actually were. Did they perform in English only, or both English and French? Will -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:14:03 -0700 From: Vincent Degiorgio Subject: Re: Cancon Girl Groups Vlaovic B wrote: > Come to think of I think Toulouse did back-up vocals for the > aforementioned Patsy Gallant.... Toulouse's track "On A Rien" ..was also covered by LA based female act, Saint Tropez, who did a disco record in French that featured "Je T'Aime"...pretty controversial stuff for its time.. I remember a female trio called Peaches as well, given out by Radio Shack of all people..this was in the Toronto area if I recall correctly. I had remixed Patsy's From NY to LA about seven years ago, it became a club hit in Australia after that... Perhaps one of the experts on this site can also advise if Touche, a Vancouver act that had a mild hit with "Take A Look But Don't Touch", was all female...I can't remember ! Vince -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:24:31 EDT From: Ron Buono Subject: Re: Shelley Joe Panzarella wrote: > ...as I recall Shelley did a couple of movies with Elvis too, > but I'm not too sure if she sang in them though. I remember Miss Fabares appearing in a Herman's Hermits film entitled "Hold On!". Shelley appears here as a blonde(!), and sings a track called (I think) "Make Me Happy" while lounging on the beach. My heart be still! Ron -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:58:57 +0000 From: Don Charles Subject: Chiffons/Toni Wine Toni Wine co-produced "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" and she probably sings a background part. She probably even sang the demo, but that's not her on lead. What you hear on that single is a duet between Judy Craig and Sylvia Peterson of the REAL Chiffons! I know Toni's voice well, and neither of those is her. Stuffed Animal -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:54:09 +0100 From: simon white Subject: Motown While I'm thinking of it, Spectrum are releasing this week a double album of obscure and unreleased Motown tracks. Theres a great Marvelettes track called "Poor Little Rich Girl' and the BEST Lewis Sisters track I ever heard! It really is an essential purchase! Honest! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:05:30 -0000 From: laughingmood Subject: Roger Nichols songs I'm trying to compile a list of songs written by Roger Nichols that were recorded by other artists other than himself and Paul Williams. Here is what I can think of so far: The Sunshine Company - Just Beyond Your Smile The Monkees - Someday Man The American Breed - Always You The Carpenters - We've Only Just Begun The Carpenters - I Kept On Loving You The Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays The Collage - Can I Go The Match - Don't Take Your Time Harper's Bizarre - The Drifter The Sundowners - Always You The Sandpipers - To Put Up With You Peppermint Trolley Company - Trust The Parade - Kinda Wasted Without You (or maybe Nichols was in the Parade under a different name, Smokey Roberds, I can't quite figure that one out. The Small Circle Of Friends credits this song to Nichols/McLeod/Riopelle. But the Parade album credits it to Roberds/McLeod/Riopelle. And all the other songs on the Parade album that have a writing credit for Roberds have a distinct Roger Nichols feel. Welcome, You're In Love for example. Any insight from someone in the know.) That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure there is much more. I'm really looking for stuff from that golden period of late '66 to '70 or '71. Any info would be appreciated. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:41:37 -0400 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Chiffons LMLYGLM > Mind you, it's still a wonderful record. I really love LMLYGLM but, for me "Tonight I'm Gonna Dream" is still the Chiffons' masterpiece. Perhaps I'm a bit overly sentimental for that 60s sound? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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