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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Death By Chocolate
           From: laughingmood 
      2. Retro-tributes
           From: Ian Chapman 
      3. Re: Lennon Sisters/Margo Guryan
           From: Patrick Rands 
      4. Re: Kenny Laguna
           From: radiopro 
      5. re: Lesley Gore acetates
           From: Marc Miller 
      6. Re: GARRY SHERMAN & PHIL SPECTOR
           From: Mick Patrick 
      7. Ronettes/George Harrison/Chiffons
           From: Will Stos 
      8. Re: RONNIE SPECTOR ON APPLE
           From: Mick Patrick 
      9. Nino Tempo
           From: Alan Gordon 
     10. Re: Kenny Laguna
           From: Alan Gordon 
     11. Re: Lesley Gore acetates
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     12. Little Roger
           From: Alan Gordon 
     13. Spector arrangers
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     14. Phil's guitar sound
           From: Alan Gordon 
     15. Lisa Mychols in concert
           From: Ken Levine 
     16. Ricky's backup guys,  Lesley Gore
           From: Alan Gordon 
     17. Re: 78 RPM
           From: Mick Patrick 
     18. Re: RONNIE SPECTOR ON APPLE
           From: Phil Chapman 
     19. Re: Phil's guitar sound
           From: richard hattersley 
     20. Re: 78 RPM
           From: Den Lindquist 
     21. Jodelles?
           From: Mark Frumento 
     22. Lesley Gore is a Rocker too
           From: Patrick Rands 
     23. Re: 78 RPM
           From: Patrick Rands 
     24. Re: 78 RPM
           From: Rat Pfink 
     25. Re: 78 RPM
           From: Mikey 


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:33:54 -0000
   From: laughingmood 
Subject: Re: Death By Chocolate

> Kingsley Abbott:
> Lastly, the eclectic el label (Part of Cherry Red) where 
> again you'll find the lovely Louis and many sunshiney 
> collections like "Sunshine Pop 99" (El acme 28). 

Stewart Mason:
> The impresario of el, Mike Alway, also had a hand in the 
> creation of a current band on the Jetset label called Death By 
> Chocolate, whose upcoming second album (due July 9) ZAP THE WORLD 
> I find irresistably charming.
 
Again, let's not forget the wonderful Siesta Records out of Madrid, 
Spain. They also co-release alot of Mike Alway's If label stuff like 
Death By Chocolate, David Candy and the Songs For The Jet Set series, 
which include great cover versions of Free Design, Margo Guryan, 
Wendy & Bonnie and a whole host of other sunshine/soft pop. The real 
gem though is the Reverie series on Siesta. Designed for children, 
these cds (in particular the compilations Algebra Spaghetti, 
Simultaneous Ice Cream and Dream Drops) have great versions of 
Sagittarius tunes, Eternity's Children and others. The first two are 
produced and arranged by Louis Phillipe. Highly recommended.



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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:49:28 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Retro-tributes Thus spake Will Stos:- > Spectropop has chatted about It's My Party, Sylvia and the > Sapphires, and now I'm about to go looking for the Jodelles. Check out musica, Will. Never let it be said I can't take a hint..... > What are some other notable tributes groups that have > recorded material? Do we have any kind of consensus on who > has recreated the sound best? I know I love the cheeky stuff > Rachel Sweet did, and the tracks For Real did as the > Luminaries on the Grace of My Heart soundtrack was nice. > What else is out there? Well, the Jack Fitpatrick/Jim Fogerty book "Collecting Phil Spector" has a partial list of Spector/girl-group soundalikes from the 60s, 70s and 80s which is a useful starting point. But I think we need to distinguish records that actually attempted to faithfully recreate a 60s Spector/girl-group record from those which were *influenced* by the Spector sound. "Influenced by" casts a wide net and can be anything from a wall of sound treatment set to contemporary lyrics (e.g. Wah's "Story of the Blues", White & Torch's "Parade", the Paranoids' "Stupid Guy") to nothing more than the token use of castanets (John Travolta's "Sandy", Roxy Music's "Dance Away"). The Jodelles, Sylvia & the Sapphires, For Real and It's My Party fall into the recreation category, with appropriately naive boy-meets-girl lyrics. Others I'd include from the 70s would be Patti & the Patettes' "Summer Heartbreak", Lynsey De Paul's "Ooh I Do" and possibly ex-Flirtation Pearly Gates with "Johnny & The Jukebox", although that's more of a tongue-in-cheek death disc parody (with the classic spoken ending "......some nights I dream I can see you Johnny, riding along the star-studded highway, thru' the almighty heavens, towards that great juke-box in the sky"). Ten out of ten!!! Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:33:50 -0400 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Lennon Sisters/Margo Guryan Ian Chapman wrote: > I don't know all their Dot material, but my fave is the 45 > "He's Gotta Lotta Lovin'". > Must be one of the most girl-group things they ever did - > very bouncy in a pop-Motown kinda way I once saw a Lennon Sisters single up for auction, with them doing a Margo Guryan song, "Love." Does anyone have a copy of this, and know whether it is as sweet sounding as Margo's songs?? If anyone has knowledge about all the Margo Guryan covers, it would be interesting to make a list. I'll start with Sue Raney "Sunday Morning" from her With a Little Help From My Friends LP, a jazzed up version, :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:05:07 -0400 From: radiopro Subject: Re: Kenny Laguna Hi Folks: Check out an interview with him here http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JS He has some good Morris Levy Stories. WC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:28:15 -0400 From: Marc Miller Subject: re: Lesley Gore acetates Harvey Williams: > Unfortunately I have no idea when they date from, but the fact that they > play at 78 rpm indicates a date around 1962 or earlier. Actually, 78rpm was last used in the States in 1959, but it was really dead a year before. I know in India, for example, 78s were used well into the 60's (there are Indian Beatle 78s!!) When did the UK last use 78s? Marc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:29:07 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: GARRY SHERMAN & PHIL SPECTOR Rashkovsky: > In a song I once wrote, "Please Phil Spector", there is a line > ...."get Gene or Garry or Specs to write the charts, give me > the Blossoms to sing background from their hearts"... Of course > Gene is Gene Page and Specs is Jack Nitzsche, but for the life > of me, I can't come up with Garry's last name - help me... Me: > I'd always assumed Garry refers to the great arranger Garry > Sherman. Although I'm not aware of him ever working with Spector. Rashkovsky: > Mick. Yes it is Garry Sherman - and if you say he never worked > with Spector, then even if Phil swore to me on a stack of Philles > 45's that Garry charted them all, I'd trust you. Hi, Maybe I should've been more pedantic. I'm sorry if the thought of that horrifies anyone. :-) To my knowledge, New York-based Garry Sherman never worked as an arranger for Phil Spector. However, the two DID work together at least once. "On Broadway" by the Drifters, recorded in New York in 1963, was arranged y Garry Sherman and featured a guitar solo by Phil Spector. Rashkovsky: > By the way, Garry was a great arranger. I was around a lot of > sessions with him. Nice guy too, but very unsual. I was given to > understand that he was educated as a podiatrist and he wore very > funny looking sandal type shoes even in NYC. According to her autobiography, Cissy Houston was among the back-up singers on "On Broadway". Allow me to quote a brief passage from that book... Cissy Houston: "Garry has earned Pulitzer Prize nominations for his symphonic compositions, arranged thirty number one records and masterminded a long-running series of Coke commercials, one of which I sang on. But back in the early-1960s he was brand new to R&B; his experience was strictly orchestral. Next to hipsters like Leiber & Stoller, Garry looked like a fish out of water. He wore those clunky 'space shoes' (from his days as a podiatrist), loose-fitting, comfortable clothing and had frizzy red hair. But it was not for his personal style that Jerry and Mike hired him. Garry Sherman was a genius at orchestration. Writing parts for strings, brass, woodwinds and percussion, he was able to create the moods and drama that Leiber & Stoller were searching for...Garry Sherman became known as one of the most brilliant arrangers on the scene. His first big record was Jay & the Americans' 'She Cried', another Leiber & Stoller production. Garry was able to translate the intent of songwriters like Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil and Carole King & Gerry Goffin into first class charts. One of the key players responsible for blending the black R&B sound with pop." 'How Sweet The Sound' by Cissy Houston and Jonathan Singer, published by Doubleday in 1998, is an essential read for anyone with an interest in the Brill Building scene. I came across a copy quite by accident while wheeling my mother around a Fleetwood shopping centre a couple of summers ago. I began reading it on the car journey home and ended up devouring it in one sitting. My Mum got a bit of a "bag on" because I was ignoring her, I seem to recall. Bless! Rashkovsky, you will love this book. Do tell us more about some of the Garry Sherman sessions you worked on. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:55:45 -0400 From: Will Stos Subject: Ronettes/George Harrison/Chiffons Speaking of the Ronettes, I just remebered an email a few years back between John Rausch and myself where he mentioned an unreleased track George Harrision recorded with Ronnie at Apple Records. It was call something like "Lovely La-Dee Day." and John mentioned that it bore a resemblance to the Chiffons' 1969 single "Love Me Like You're Going To Lose Me" which has a "Love me la-deeday" or "love me every day" chorus from the back-up singers. But, I don't think we ever decided if it was a copy of the Chiffons' song, or vice versa. Or perhaps, it had no connection at all. Many I'm horribly out of the loop on this one, but John, or any other Ronnie fans out there, is there any connection? If so, you wonder just how big of a Chiffons fan Harrison was. In his My Sweet Lord copyright battle he said he must have picked up the melody of "He's So Fine," while touring with the group. But this other song was not popular. And I recall Toni Wine tied into this somehow too? Can anybody straighten this out? Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:19:18 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: RONNIE SPECTOR ON APPLE Hi, "Lovely La-de-day" by Ronnie Spector is included on the currently available "Complete Apple Singles" $200 ten CD bootleg box set. Yes, I said two hundred scum-sucking dollars! Although they were both co-written by Toni Wine, the song and the Chiffons' "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" are NOT one and the same. Said bootleg box set also contains Ronnie's version of the George Harrisong "You". MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:10:00 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Nino Tempo Bill, I'm very curious about your Nino Tempo article. Is the magazine where it's printed in Japanese? And if there are indeed no translations available, would it be possible for you to post it somewhere so we can all bask in Mr. Tempo's remembrances. I, for one, am a huge fan oh his and his accomplice, Ms. Stevens (yamma yamma). As a child hearing her pseudo-Monroe-esque reading of Deep Purple and Teach Me Tiger probably advanced my prepubescent hormones a few years... oh yea, and their version of Stardust, and Whispering... I could go on... thanx, al babe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:47:10 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Kenny Laguna Jeffrey Glenn wrote: > Oh, and how could I forget this. The CD is worth the price > just to have on CD Little Roger and The Goosebumps' brilliant > "Gilligan's Island (Stairway)" - though it's listed here as > "Stairway To Gilligan's Island" What was Laguna's involvement with that track? I thought it came out of San Francisco, and that he worked mostly in New York. But then again I believe he did some production for Beserkley in the late '70s, and they were located in the Bay Area, which would seem to place the perp at the time and location in question. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:57:39 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Lesley Gore acetates Just a quick note that I posted a jpg of the Lesley Gore "He Gives Me Love" one-sided Acetate in the Photos file. BTW, does anyone here have the mono mix of Lesley's "What Am I Gonna Do With You?". I have the mono single/LP mix of "You Dont Own Me" without the double tracked vocal. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:18:05 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Little Roger Jeffrey Glen: > Earth Quake is also the band on "Gilligan's Island (Stairway)", > and they recorded the track at The Who's Ramport Studios in London > with Little Roger Clark later adding his vocal in San Francisco. > Truly one of the great novelty records of the 70's! Jeff, I'd always heard that Dick Bright was the mastermind of "Stairway..." which is not to say that Earthquake wasn't the band on the record. Dick is an SF musician, actor, writer, and leader of Dick Bright and the HiBalls, Dick Bright and the Sounds of Delight, and a few other incarnations that are local dance fodder... good stuff usually. He was also buds with all those crazy Berzerkely folks. I've also heard that shortly after the record got some airplay and attention, The Goosebumps received a letter of appreciation from Robert Plant, shortly before Little Roger was delivered a "cease and desist" from Zeps lawyers (supposedly unbeknownst to Robert Plant). I love irony. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:29:59 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Spector arrangers With all the interesting exchanges going on about arrangers that worked for Spector, nobody has mentioned Nino Tempo yet. I have no idea how many sessions Nino charted for Phil, but he was the arranger for a Phil Spector Dion session that I attended (on which Nino also played Sax). Nino's chart was marvellous. Beyond his talent, Nino distinguished himself as a very warm, mellow and down to earth chap. Considering their history, it's hard to imagine that Nino didn't write charts for Phil in prior years. Any of you know any other projects that Nino worked on for Phil? Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:17:00 -0000 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Phil's guitar sound Luke Robson: > I was wondering if anyone could possibly tell me what guitars > Phil Spector used in his 'wall of sound'(ie brands, models, etc)? > I would greatly appreciate your information. Luke: I'm certainly not an expert here, but I've seen a bunch of pics of Phil's sessions and it seems most of the guys used those nice fat Gibson jazz guitars like ES-175s, Byrdlands, Super 400s, Barney Kessels, and the like. But I've also seen pics with Gretsch Nashville 6120s, Les Pauls, and even a couple of Telecasters. Also, I think I've seen a studio pic of some of Phil's guys with acoustic guitars all crowded around a single mike. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:47:49 -0700 From: Ken Levine Subject: Lisa Mychols in concert Lisa Mychols ("Lost Winter Dreams" and some of the best 60's covers EVER) performed last night at the Knitting Factory in Hollywood and I'm happy to report she was fabulous. Great presence, terrific material, and what a voice!! Apparently she has a CD of 60's covers in the works. Can't wait. And if you ever get the chance to see her live, treat yourself. Ken Levine -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:18:13 -0000 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Ricky's backup guys, Lesley Gore Someone was asking about Ricky Nelson's Backup singers a little while back (whoever you were, please excuse my ignorance. My delete button finger got to that digest before I could stop the pointy little bastard.) And since no one's jumping to assist, I figured I'd spread my slim knowledge around..... As far as I've always read, and heard, and saw on the old Ozzie and Harriet show: The Jordanaires are Ricky's premier vocal guys. If I'm not mistaken, they also stand around Ricky and, along with Ricky's rockabilly band, lipsinc their wonderful harmonies behind his TV appearances. According to rumor, Ozzy may have been a lot of things, but considering the talents of The Jordanaires, James Burton, Howard Roberts, Billy Strange, Earl Palmer, James Kirkland and all the other luminaries that he had the musical foresight to hire as back-up musicians for his son... well, he obviously knew his music... or at the least, the right people to consult. David Feldman: > Just go to http://www.google.com and click on the "Images" icon and type > in "Darlene Love" and you'll see dozens of photos of her, many of the > young Darlene. I know this has nothing to do with Ms. Love but... Holy moley, David. I've been surfin' for quite a while and never even noticed that function on the Google search engine. How very cool. Thanx. A few people have mentioned Lesley Gore lately and I just wanted to make a loose aside. Most folks think of Leslie as "just a pop singer" (I'm sure most of us balk at that moniker), but if you're as big a fan as I am, you're sure to really dig her great interpretations of some jazz standards on her Bear family Box Set. I was floored. She's dang jazzy. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:09:39 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: 78 RPM Harvey Williams: > Unfortunately I have no idea when they (Lesley Gore acetates) date from, > but the fact that they play at 78 rpm indicates a date around 1962 or > earlier. Marc Miller: > Actually, 78rpm was last used in the States in 1959, but it was really > dead a year before. Hi, 78 RPM acetates continued to be made into the 1960s. I have some 8 inch Ellie Greenwich demos dating from c.1962 which play at this speed. Unfortunately I have no 78 RPM player. DOH! MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:55:50 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: RONNIE SPECTOR ON APPLE Mick Patrick wrote: "Lovely La-de-day" by Ronnie Spector is included on the currently > available "Complete Apple Singles" $200 ten CD bootleg box set. I have a rough copy of this, and it sounds to me like she sings "Love Me La-de-day" (or "Love Me Laddie Day", if you're Scottish), which is more or less what the backing vocals sing on "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me" (possibly my favourite Chiffons tune), so it was interesting to learn that both songs involve Toni Wine. I'll play them both to musica when there's a bit of space.... that'll be $20 pleeze. Phil PS - Love the snare sound on this one! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:57:45 +0000 From: richard hattersley Subject: Re: Phil's guitar sound Luke Robson: > I was wondering if anyone could possibly tell me what guitars > Phil Spector used in his 'wall of sound'(ie brands, models, etc)? One of the key components of Phils guitar sound was the acoustic with the delay on. This was played by Carol Kaye usually. The model she played was an Epiphone Emperor. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:04:57 -0400 From: Den Lindquist Subject: Re: 78 RPM > 78 RPM acetates continued to be made into the 1960s. I have some > 8 inch Ellie Greenwich demos dating from c.1962 which play at > this speed. Unfortunately I have no 78 RPM player. DOH! MICK PATRICK Mick, I don't know if you're familiar with music software like Cooledit 2000, which is a music editing product, but CE200 can be used to speed- correct music. If you were to record a 78rpm track at 45rpm or 33rpm, and apply a speed correction factor (ie, 01 .7333... for 45rpm), the result would be the song played back at the correct speed. If you wish to post one of these 78rpms to musica (recorded at 45rpm or 33rpm), I would be happy to convert it and post it back to musica. Den -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:01:34 -0400 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Jodelles? Ok! I give up. Who the heck are the WONDERFUL Jodelles? Two amazing songs! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:39:15 -0400 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Lesley Gore is a Rocker too Alan Gordon wrote: > A few people have mentioned Lesley Gore lately and I just wanted to > make a loose aside. Most folks think of Leslie as "just a pop > singer" Hi Alan I love to see the Lesley Gore fans come out - I'm a BIG Gorehead. There's even a Yahoo Groups Mailing list, in case you didn't know. Anyone who has any interesting Gore stories to share we would love to hear them ! Also since you mentioned her jazzy side I'd *also* like to point out that Lesley Gore is a real ROCKER too. In the mid-70s she recorded a tune called "Paranoia" which would knock your little socks off. She should know all about PARANOIA - she's been stalked twice in her life. In the past year, she recorded a version of the AC/DC tune Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, which may shock some, but for us fans in the know, we've known all along how much she loves to rock!! :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:50:02 -0400 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: 78 RPM There's a fascinating story buried in the website http://humanists.net/wasm/costarica.html about a 60s Acetates (etc) Company. As a Lesley Gore fan I found this quote interesting: <<>> When I think of our clients, I can only indulge in dropping names: Lesley Gore (whose dad told me he made corsets and women's items; Lesley seemed butch); <<>> Check out the other "clients" he "namedrops" for some jawdropping comments. Someone needs to talk to this man and write his book!! Fascinating stuff!! Anyone know more about this operation??? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:30:50 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: 78 RPM Don't play a 78 with a standard 33/45 stylus, as the grooves are a different width and you can damage the record and your stylus. You should buy a stylus specifically for 78s if you want to digitally record and speed-correct them. Try a web search, I've seen several online vendors that carry these styluses (stylii?). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:57:28 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: 78 RPM > 78 RPM acetates continued to be made into the 1960s. I have some > 8 inch Ellie Greenwich demos dating from c.1962 which play at > this speed. Unfortunately I have no 78 RPM player. DOH! MICK PATRICK >>>>>78 rpm acetates actually went longer than that!!! Around 1974 or so, 78 rpm acetates were still being cut in New York City, both by Dick Charles Recording and also Sanders Recording on 48th st. Dick Charles was famous because they were the cheapest around and many, many artists on a budget got their demos cut there. Dick Charles was still in business in 1984 when I was Production Manager of Quintole Records here in NYC. I remember his equipment was ANCIENT!! Sanders Recording, by the way, was where a 13 year old Barbara Striesand made her first demo. Old man Sanders told me himself when I was there recording a demo of "Palisades Park" myself. Ahhh...the memories.. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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