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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Battle of San Onofre
           From: Steve Crump 
      2. Mick & Bonnie & Charlotte
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      3. Re: CHARLOTTE O'HARA
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: CHARLOTTE O'HARA
           From: Mick Patrick 
      5. Re: Sandy Salisbury
           From: Jason Penick 
      6. Re: They Don't Know question
           From: Phil Chapman 
      7. RE: Sandy Salisbury
           From: Joey Stec 
      8. "Mad Dog"
           From: james botticelli 
      9. Re: Sandy Salisbury/Demos
           From: Mark Frumento 
     10. The Darlettes' "Lost"
           From: Will Stos 
     11. Re: VAN McCOY & THE DARLETTES
           From: Mick Patrick 
     12. Re: VAN McCOY & THE DARLETTES
           From: Phil Chapman 
     13. Re: VAN McCOY, THE DARLETTES & THE SWEET THINGS
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:50:28 -0000
   From: Steve Crump 
Subject: Re: The Battle of San Onofre

Don Charles wrote:
> Does anyone have any information about this narrative song?  
> I know that Annette Funicello recorded "The Battle Of San Onofre" 
> for her BEACH PARTY album in 1964, but there is no record of its 
> authors in either the BMI or ASCAP databases. Who wrote it, and 
> was it ever cut by anyone else?

Hi Don,

Just to confuse you even further -  I have Annette's Beach Party album
on Buena Vista and the composer of San Onofre is listed as Zino - 
Crawford.

Stay tuned - someone else may have another tale to tell!!

Steve



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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:59:41 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Mick & Bonnie & Charlotte Mick Patrick: > Maybe we should consider republishing Peter Canvel's > great article on Bonnie/Charlotte from Philately #7. > Any takers? Do it, Mick! Those Philately and PSAS newsletters contain gems, nuggets and info that the folks on here would love to see! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:27:17 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: CHARLOTTE O'HARA Mick Patrick: > Anyone out there interested in a Charlotte > O'Hara discography? No? Awww, here it is anyhow. I only signed on to the Spectropop group yesterday, and it's already come up a gusher for me. The Preview items in your Charlotte O'Hara listing caught my eye, as I maintain a discography of this label http://www.aspma.com/labels/preview.htm which was one of the most prominent of the song-poem companies. I'm a bit stunned to learn that the Charlotte O'Hara I spent several months trying to track a few years ago (only to learn she's deceased) was also the lead singer of the legendary Bonnie & The Treasures. In fact, I hadn't even previously connected Charlotte O'Hara to Bonnie Graham, who recorded dozens of sides for Preview - my attempts to locate her were due to her collaborations with Nita Garfield, who was the real target of my investigation. (I did eventually locate Charlotte's daughter, who led me to Nita, who, alas proved to be fairly uncooperative.) I'd like to learn whatever I can about her. I've never actually heard Bonnie & The Treasures, and wonder where it might be available. In the song-poem world, this will be big news. Best wishes, --Phil Milstein, Boston, U.S. P.S. I enjoyed your revised liner notes on the new edition of Myrmidons Of Melodrama. I have an article on the Shangri-Las '77 reunion lined up for the next issue of Ugly Things, and wish that revised Myrmidons had come out a few months sooner, before I finished my story. As it was, I came up with much of the same information, but the hard way! (I also have a review of Myrmidons appearing in the same issue, but under a different byline.) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:51:19 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: CHARLOTTE O'HARA Phil Milstein wrote: > Mick, the Preview items in your Charlotte O'Hara listing caught > my eye, as I maintain a discography of this label > http://www.aspma.com/labels/preview.htm > which was one of the most prominent of the song-poem companies. > I'm a bit stunned to learn that the Charlotte O'Hara I spent > several months trying to track a few years ago (only to learn > she's deceased) was also the lead singer of the legendary > Bonnie & The Treasures. In fact, I hadn't even previously > connected Charlotte O'Hara to Bonnie Graham, who recorded dozens > of sides for Preview - my attempts to locate her were due to > her collaborations with Nita Garfield, who was the real > target of my investigation...I'd like to learn whatever I can > about her. I've never actually heard Bonnie & The Treasures, and > wonder where it might be available. In the song-poem world, this > will be big news. Hi, Contact me off-line, Phil, and I'll send you a copy of the Charlotte O'Hara article from PHILately magazine. Actually, I only just discovered the existence of the Preview 45 by Bonnie & Nita. I've neither seen nor heard a copy. (In fact, oh shame, I'm not even sure exactly what a song-poem is!) My decision to include the disc in my Charlotte O'Hara Discgraphy is based solely on an assumption that Nita MUST be Bonnie/Charlotte's frequent songwriting collaborator Nita Garfield. Hopefully, I'm correct. If so, I guess I'll have to add all the Bonnie Graham 45s on Preview to the discography too. I'm sure there are folks out there in Spectropopland willing to put some Bonnie/Charlotte tracks on MP3 for you. In the meantime, search the Spectropop Forum Archives for more info on this enigmatic figure who has cropped up very frequently in recent discussions. Anyway, it looks like the "song-poem world" and those of us who dwell on "planet girl-group" might benefit from a spot of mutual further research. MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:58:23 EDT From: Jason Penick Subject: Re: Sandy Salisbury Mark Frumento: > Having downloaded "The Best Thing" I'm in real need to know more about > Sandy's records. I have the two recent Sandy CDs but were there more 45s > that haven't made it to CD? Any place to find a discography? The Complete Curt Boettcher Project http://home.attbi.com/~pinkpuzz/curt.html -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 17:02:00 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: They Don't Know question Stewart Mason wrote: > I've always wondered: I've heard reports that Tracey's "They Don't > Know" is just Kirsty's original single with Tracey's voice and a > new guitar line dubbed on. If it's not, it's certainly an > incredible simulation of the original, right down to the > climactic "BAY-by!" shout, which I'm 99.8% positive is Kirsty, > not Tracey. Well spotted, Stewart! You're rattling the memory banks here, and I don't have copies of everything I worked on. However, courtesy of some kind Spectropopper who does, I've listened to the two and the backing tracks are similarly arranged, but not identical. Tracey's is a semitone up on Kirsty's, and, although Kirsty re-sang the backing vocals (the harmonies on the last verse are different), neither of them could get the "Baby" to sound as good as Kirsty's original, so it was pitched up and 'flown in'. I may well get corrected on this next point: Although the early TU tracks were recorded with live musicians, the later ones were played to drum machine, sometimes not adding a real drummer. Both versions of "They Don't Know" sound like they could be machines (the snare sound is pretty consistent), in which case it could be the same basic programme with a different bass, guitar and piano. > Also, is it just me, or are Kirsty's backing vocals actually > mixed louder than Tracey's lead vocal? Any insight would be > appreciated. Another of my habits from the early days was to mix for radio, usually monitoring through a single loudspeaker in mono. Consequently anything to the sides came out a little louder when listening in stereo, and I kind of like that. Also, "They Don't Know" is three part harmony, if you include Tracey's melody as the middle part, and I guess I must have balanced them equally. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:36:50 -0400 From: Joey Stec Subject: RE: Sandy Salisbury Mark Frumento wrote: >Having downloaded "The Best Thing" I'm in real need to know more about >Sandy's records. I have the two recent Sandy CDs but were there more 45s >that haven't made it to CD? Any place to find a discography? hello hello...I just got off the phone with Sandy...we both feel that between the Poptones, Sandy and the Dreamsville Sandy CD's this is about all of it... we have included most of his writing catalog as well ...we are thinking of possibly puting together more of his elaborate demo sessions fron '67 thru '69 years...this depends of course if we can get some one to do it... Regards Joey Stec -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:58:07 -0400 From: james botticelli Subject: "Mad Dog" Phil Milstein wrote: > I only signed on to the Spectropop group yesterday, > --Phil Milstein, Boston, U.S. Welcome to the list "Mad Dog"..Phil's a former DJ from MIT back in the day and played some good rekkids on the show called "Lost & Found", a 6T's obscurity show which airs daily at noon www.wmbr.mit.edu and is broadcast these days in Real Audio to the best of my knowledge and belief..He's also a collector of some type of esoterica in addition to rekkids, which perhaps he can explain. He was profiled a couple of years back in the Boston Globe for that collection. A good addition to the list y'all. Jimmy Botticelli Taking The E-Z...Way Out! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:06:36 -0400 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Sandy Salisbury/Demos From: Joey Stec > hello hello...I just got off the phone with Sandy...we both feel > that between the Poptones, Sandy and the Dreamsville Sandy CD's > this is about all of it... Thanks Joey. I noticed in the discog. that Jason Penick posted (thanks Jason!) that "The Best Thing" was the only single side not comp'ed. I had the impression that Sandy released more 45s. > we are thinking of possibly puting together more of his elaborate > demo sessions fron '67 thru '69 years...this depends of course if > we can get some one to do it... That'd be great if you can find someone! I would love to hear them. Are there Japanese labels interested? Surprised that Sundazed hasn't been interested. If you find someone to release them maybe you can pass those names over to Mark Wirtz. I have a stack of his demos yearning to be heard. In some ways Mark's work is very much along the lines of Sandy's. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:55:46 -0400 From: Will Stos Subject: The Darlettes' "Lost" I downloaded a song called "Lost" by the Darlettes the other day and I can't seem to get it out of my head. It's not terribly hook- heavy or happy, but a little brooding. I checked John Clemente's Darlettes discography in his book Girl Groups: Fabulous Female That Rocked The World, but I didn't see it listed. So, question to girl groupies on the list. Is this song by Diane Christian and the Darlettes? Any idea if/when it was released? How about the writers? It has a bit of Bacharach/David feel to it, and a vocal bass line similar to some Marvelettes recordings. Any help would be luverly! Will -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:28:31 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: VAN McCOY & THE DARLETTES Original Message From Will Stos: > I downloaded a song called "Lost" by the Darlettes...I checked > John Clemente's Darlettes discography in his book Girl Groups: > Fabulous Female That Rocked The World, but I didn't see it > listed. So, question to girl groupies on the list. Is this song > by Diane Christian and the Darlettes? Any idea if/when it was > released? How about the writers? It has a bit of Bacharach/David > feel to it, and a vocal bass line similar to some Marvelettes > recordings. Any help would be luverly! Hi, One of the reasons "Lost" by the Darlettes sounds so dreamy and gorgeous is it was written and produced by the great VAN McCOY. Van also produced the equally lovely B-side "Sweet Kind Of Loneliness", composed by one Nora Kirby. The record was released in 1965 on Mira 203. I'm pretty certain these Darlettes are not the similarly monickered outfit fronted by girl-group goddess Diane Christian. If they are, it most certainly is not the "Here She Comes" songstress singing lead. In fact, I would not be at all surprised if the lead vocalist turned out to be the one and only KENDRA SPOTTSWOOD / Kenni Woods / Sandi Sheldon, Van McCoy's right hand woman on many sessions and singer on numerous girl-group 45s brainstormed by the great man. Perhaps Dave at Van McCoy Music, a recent Spectropop conscriptee, can shed some light? MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:07:23 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: VAN McCOY & THE DARLETTES Mick Patrick wrote: > In fact, I would not be at all surprised if the lead vocalist > turned out to be the one and only KENDRA SPOTTSWOOD/Kenni Woods/ > Sandi Sheldon, Van McCoy's right hand woman on many sessions and > singer on numerous girl-group 45s brainstormed by the great man. I thought this voice sounded familiar so I searched around the net and found the following: "..Though Peaches and Herb was billed as a duo, their member rotation is more similar to a group's. Herb has remained the only constant with, at last count, four "Peaches" stepping up to the microphone. The original Peaches, Francine Hurd Barker, a Washington, D.C., native, earned the childhood nickname "Peaches" because of her genteel manner. She sang in neighborhood groups and in her teens she became the lead singer for a group named The Keynotes. Starting her own group, The Darlettes, they auditioned for and were signed to D.C.- area label Date Records, where their name was changed to The Sweet Things..." http://discomuseum.com/PeachesHerb.html Personally, I still think Francine Barker's "Don't You Know Love When You See it" is wonderful, and one of Van's finest Bacharach takes. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:21:25 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: VAN McCOY, THE DARLETTES & THE SWEET THINGS Original Message From Phil Chapman: > I thought this voice sounded familiar so I searched around the net > and found the following: > > "..Though Peaches and Herb was billed as a duo, their member rotation > is more similar to a group's. Herb has remained the only constant > with, at last count, four "Peaches" stepping up to the microphone. > The original Peaches, Francine Hurd Barker, a Washington, D.C., > native, earned the childhood nickname "Peaches" because of her > genteel manner. She sang in neighborhood groups and in her teens she > became the lead singer for a group named The Keynotes. Starting her > own group, The Darlettes, they auditioned for and were signed to D.C.- > area label Date Records, where their name was changed to The Sweet > Things..." http://discomuseum.com/PeachesHerb.html Hi, Well spotted that man. And I thought I was the one who was supposed to be the voice expert :-) Enthused by the knowledge that THE DARLETTES became THE SWEET THINGS, I searched around my bin, I mean brain, and came up with the following line-up for the group: FRANCINE "PEACHES" BARKER (nee HURD), DYANNE STEWART & NANCY J. JOHNSON. Unfortunately for Dyanne & Nancy, the Sweet Things' recording career was curtailed after just two 45s when Francine quit to form PEACHES & HURB with Herb Frame. > Personally, I still think Francine Barker's "Don't You Know Love When > You See it" is wonderful, and one of Van's finest Bacharach takes. Coincidentally, when Francine quit Peaches & Herb, she was replaced by a young lady named MARLENE JENKINS, formerly a member of THE CLICKETTES ("I Just Can't Help It" on Checker, anyone?). Previous stepping into the "Peaches" role she cut some great solo singles as MARLINA MARS, among them an exquisite version of Bacharach & David's "It's Love That Really Counts (In The Long Run)" MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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