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Spectropop - Digest Number 452

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Mark Wirtz questions
           From: Phil Chapman 
      2. RE: I Can Hear Music
           From: Phil Chapman 
      3. RE: labels
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      4. Re: favourite labels
           From: Peter Lerner 
      5. Re: The Four Cal-quettes
           From: Ian Slater 
           From: Ian May 
      7. Joey Brooks
           From: Phil Chapman 
      8. Re: Castle Pulse CD Box Set
           From: mick patrick 
      9. Four Cal-Quettes Redux
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
     10. Canterbury
           From: Stewart Mason 
     11. Re: I Can Hear Music
           From: Gary Spector 
     12. RE: Four Cal-Quettes
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     13. Sue Glover
           From: Phil Chapman 
     14. Bernadette Peters
           From: Peter Lerner 
     15. Battle Of San Onofre
           From: Don Charles 
           From: mick patrick 
     17. Re: I Can Hear Music
           From: james botticelli 
     18. Marketts - A Touch Of Velvet - A Sting Of Brass
           From: Mike Edwards 
     19. Golden Wonder Boy
           From: Ian Chapman 
     20. Parade
           From: Bill Reed 
     21. Re: PEANUT VENDOR
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     22. Martin's acetates
           From: Ian Chapman 
     23. Re: Shy Boy Compression
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     24. Re: I Can Hear Music
           From: Nick Archer 
     25. Good ol' Canterbury
           From: Bob Rashkow 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:59:29 +0100
   From: Phil Chapman 
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz questions

Mark Wirtz:
> Ray Singer was a relative of Ember Boss Jeff Kruger. I produced
> four tracks with Ray for Jeff, all American songs....

I only know "I'm The Richest Man Alive"/"Pretty Little Ramblin' Rose" 
What were the other two? A database search shows that Mel Carter 
recorded a song called "Richest Man Alive", is this the same tune?

> Lansdowne Studios. I never recorded there again afterwards, or
> any other studio that used Scully multi track tape machines, 
> because I hated the in-built auto compressors.

Didn't Joe Meek start out here? I remember the Scully, large and 
hot enough to make a cooked breakfast. Never knew it had in-built 
compressors. However, Mark, if I am playing examples of extreme 
compression as used in the sixties, one of the examples I use is 
Kippington Lodge's "Shy Boy" - you virtually turned that inside out, 
or did that happen on the cut? At least it sounded the same on the 
radio as it did on the 45:-)


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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:34:24 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: RE: I Can Hear Music Mark Wirtz: > Oh boy, Margo would be soooo hurt if she read this. No, with > all due respect to good old Chas, he could never pull off a vocal > with that much soul. It was Margo on lead and the Breakaways on > background. And I never recorded more than one version of this. Full testament to Margo & the girls' versatility, and the power of production suggestion: it appears to be modeled on the Beach Boys' version - even in the same key! It makes that vocal even more incredible as far as I am concerned. I am interested that this track is generally assumed to be a Beach Boys' song. Nearly all Spectropoppers know this is a Ronettes (Spector/Greenwich/Barry) original (we do, don't we??). But, presumably because the Philles released version was produced by Jeff Barry, it has not been included on any of the Spector/Ronettes compilations, which is a real pity, as it is one of their best. There's no doubt that Jeff & Ellie understood Ronnie's vocal style. Has anyone ever heard the rumoured unreleased Spector produced version? (Thanks for the reminder, Mick). DJ Jimmy B: > There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The Parade's (only?) > LP Thanks, I have a fetish for covers, soundalikes and non-English language versions. Now where can it be found? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:56:12 +0100 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: RE: labels Being English we didn't have a great selection of labels to drool over. My favourites were London American (silver&black ) plus great sleeve, Top Rank (well at least it was different ) Sue, Red Bird, Pye Int., actually the sleeves were more colourful. Anyone for HMV harlequin? Ken on the West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:52:41 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: favourite labels No question. UK Liberty label with blue sleeve. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:21:05 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Re: The Four Cal-quettes Re: the recent discussions on this group, yes, I think their records are rather wimpish , and, er..., yes I've got them all too.... I seem to recall reading somewhere that they were a quartet (not too hard that bit) of Californian blondes. Easy to believe but I'm not sure where I read it - I'm sure we'd all like to know more. How about "Pixie sound" rather than "wimpish" or "twee" for 'that' kind of girl group record? More positive ring to it... I like them too. Thanks to David Young for the name. Just been playing them - I like "Starbright". A previous owner has scribbled in big letters on the sleeve. I thought it said "No. 1". Alas, on closer inspection, it says "No!"..... Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:22:07 +0100 From: Ian May Subject: Mike Edwards: > I would recommend anyone in the US ordering from > There's a great selection of CDs over > there and the transaction is as easy as it is when buying from > Actually I'm the opposite! I more often use as they are often considerably cheaper. I certainly use them for DVDs as the choice is much larger. The only downside is the wait. Ian May -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:59:53 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Joey Brooks > I've found out recently that Joe Brooks, who penned "You Light > Up My Life", a classic 70s smash, may also be responsible for the > brilliant and stirring (IMHO) "My Ship Is Coming In". Is this the same Joey Brooks (And The Baroque Folk) that co-wrote & recorded "Nobody Waved Goodbye", a haunting folk-rock ballad from 1966? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:28:51 +0100 (BST) From: mick patrick Subject: Re: Castle Pulse CD Box Set Original message from: Mike Edwards; > (the Avons') wonderful version of Ronnie & the Daytona's "Be > Good To Your Baby", can be found on the brand new 3CD box set > "Chapel Of Love - And Other Great Girl Group Gems" (Castle/Pulse > PBXCD 353). This set looks to be terrific value (even if it does > mean that "Leader Of The Pack" will now appear in our CD > collections for the 6th time!). What's the quality like? Are they > all original recordings? Dear Spectropop, 'Tis I, Boris, Mick's lackey. The old streak of p%$s is now refusing to come out of the toilet. He's just dictated the following message with strict instructions that I email it immediately: "For all I care, "Leader Of The Pack" might be available on one hundred and six other CDs but the box set referred to by Mr Edwards sees the first ever UK release of the stereo version of this track. As for the other 59 tracks, YES, they are all 'the original recordings by the original artists', just like it says on the front of the box. And now make me some toast". Oh, I don't think he meant me to type that last bit. Even I know, and I am nought but a humble Russian manservant, that Mr Patrick would rather eat dirt than allow a "re-recording" anywhere near a CD which carries his name in the miniscule print. What's that burning? Gotta run. Yours faithfully, Boris (Valet to Mr Michael Patrick) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:19:43 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Four Cal-Quettes Redux Hi! Thanks for the neat-o info on the Four Cal-Quettes, guys! (We may some day come across something along these lines though: 'the group began with four, but Kathy was dropped because she was too f(l)at for the group.") But yes... with lines like "It's sad but true that our love is gone/But still the memories shall linger on", I can't help but shed a misty tear or two. I also did a limited search... here's what I found: Meet Me At Disneyland Airdate: June 9, 1962 Episode name: "Main Street U.S.A." Cast: Walt Disney, Johnny Jacobs, Fred MacMurray, June Haver, The Firehouse Five, Ward Kimball, The Disneyland Band, Jimmy McHugh, Betty Taylor, Gene Jackson, Edward Graves, The Dapper Dans: Ron Browne (baritone), Doug Earl (lead), Jim Schamp (tenor), Gene Morford (bass), The Four Cal-Quettes: (Mary Ann Lucas, Muffy Cohen, Judy Hersh, Carol McConkey). Ad from TV Guide, June 9, 1962, page A-16. This was a "limited" series broadcast live directly from Disneyland each week. It was designed to boost attendance during the summer weeknights. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:36:32 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Canterbury Bob Rashkow writes: >Re: Labels!! Ditto what Luis Suarez said (who recorded on Pink >Elephant, Luis??!!) & will gladly add that I have a special fondness >for the DIAMOND and FERNWOOD labels, TEAM (an offshoot of SUPER K) >the GONE label and for all you psychedelia/garage psyke buffs out >there: good old CANTERBURY!!!! To name only a smattering. Who was on Canterbury besides the Yellow Balloon, not that that isn't inducement enough? Sad related news: Ruth Handler, the mother of Canterbury Records head Ken Handler (and creator of the Barbie doll), died Saturday. S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:55:46 -0600 From: Gary Spector Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music Phil Chapman: > Nearly all Spectropoppers know this is a > Ronettes (Spector/Greenwich/Barry) original Hello, Actually there are a few versions of "I can Hear Music" If I am not mistaken, Ms Brocolli (Not sure of first name or spelling of last) sang on a Beach Boy CD. As for another version and the only one I really like was the one I think had either the Crystals or the Ronettes. I found a studio recording in of all places, a hallway closet. I put it on my turntable and it became my all time favorite. I had asked my father if he ever released it and he just told me that he sold it to the Beach Boys. The Beach Boys did do a very good job with the song when they had Ms Brocolli sing it. From the Keyboard of: Gary Spector Not just another P.S. Fan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:13:46 +0100 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: RE: Four Cal-Quettes I wonder if "I'll Never Come Back (Silly Boy)" was an answer record to The Lettermen's "Come Back Silly Girl" from the same year, same label?? West Coast Ken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:44:37 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Sue Glover Ian Chapman: > And would I be correct in thinking another Spectropopper once > recorded Sue - I wonder what the chances are of persuading him > to share any recollections he may have. THIS MEANS YOU PHIL! Well, as I'm being pressed..... Yes, Sue, the quieter of the two, was the demo singer on a chirpy little pop tune I co-wrote in the early 70s. She kinda liked the song, so we finished it with her singing lead, and it sneaked out on DJM. Did OK in Germany (if the statements were anything to go by). In 1976, I recorded an album with her, "Solo" (the Sandy Denny title song), produced by her husband John Glover (manager of Free, Back Street Crawler) - although I've only just noticed it doesn't have my name anywhere! There's a Joe Brown (he was fun) tune on the album, and two songs co-written by Sue Glover & Sunny Leslie. Backing vocals by The Chanter Sisters - don't they have a Spectropop-type single lurking in the vaults somewhere? Sue later worked in A&R at Island Records for a short while. Phil PS Ian, do you have the 1970 Sue & Sunny album (of the same name)? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:42:40 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Bernadette Peters Just in passing, Mick Patrick let the name of Bernadette Peters drop a couple of weeks or so ago, and suggested that someone might like to pick her up and run with her. Where do you start? Maybe with her early girly 45s on ABC Paramount way back in the 60s, notably "We'll Start The party Again" (10669) written and produced by Art Resnick and Kenny Young (Kenny's been to Spectropop-land before), and then the folk-rockier "And the Trouble With Me Is You" (10726) arranged by Al Gorgoni, long time cohort of Chip Taylor and the wonderful Evie Sands. Then a stint on Columbia still with Resnick resonance and John Simon production. Then, for those of us not in the USA, I guess very little until her two brilliant MCA albums of 1980/81; first the eponymous Bernadette Peters, with a sexy Vargas painting of the lady on the front cover, and some wonderful songs within - show tunes and much good taste 60s stuff, notably "Gee Whiz" (Carla Thomas' song) and "Chico's Girl", a Mann-Weil epic. This was eclipsed, if possible, by next year's follow-up' Now Playing', with an equally sexy Vargas sleeve and some brilliant songs. "Dedicated To The One I Love" (Ellie Greenwich on back-up vocals), Elvis' Leiber-Stoller masterpiece "Don't" (best ever version in my book), "Tears On My Pillow" (nearly as good as Carol and the Memories) and a spine-tingling reading of Jackie DeShannon's "Carrying A Torch", with the sublime Toni Wine singing back-ups. During this period, you out there in the States know of course that BP was starring in movies and musicals, and my great tape-swapping friend J D Doyle sent me a marvellous C90 of her soundtracks from 'Song and Dance', 'Dames At Sea', Mack and Mabel and others. I'd like to know more about Bernadette. Is she still recording? What have I missed? Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:45:41 +0000 From: Don Charles Subject: Battle Of San Onofre Rhino's credits for this song are suspect. I've checked the ASCAP database, and the title is not listed as being a Jerry Styner composition. Annette's original Buena Vista release credits the song to "Crawford" and "Zino." Could this be (ex-Mouseketeer)Johnny Crawford? Don Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:53:23 +0100 (BST) From: mick patrick Subject: PEANUT VENDOR Hi, Ahh, PEANUT, one of my favourite Brit Girls. Did y'all might know that a lot of her recordings are available on legit CDs? I thought not. Here's a partial list, in no particular order: I DIDN'T LOVE HIM ANYWAY (a Columbia 45 in 1967) is contained on the CD AM I DREAMING (RPM 137). HOME OF THE BRAVE (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on the CD HERE COME THE GIRLS, vol 8 (Sequel NEMCD 845). I'M WAITING FOR THE DAY (a Columbia 45 in 1966) is contained on the double CD THE FANTASTIC STORY OF MARK WIRTZ AND THE TEENAGE OPERA (RPM 503). I WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on the double CD GIRLS DON'T COME (Sequel NEECD 327). COME TOMORROW (a Columbia 45 in 1967) is contained on the CD BACKCOMB 'N' BEAT (RPM 233). I'M NOT SAD (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on the CD FROM CALYPSO TO DISCO - THE ROOTS OF BLACK BRITAIN (Sequel NEMCD 974) And my absolute favourite track by the girl who eventually became more famous under her real name KATY KISSOON, the delightfully jangly THANK GOODNESS FOR THE RAIN (a Pye 45 in 1965) is contained on the CD YOU CAN BE WRONG ABOUT BOYS (Sequel NEXCD 238). WARNING! THESE PRODUCTS CONTAIN PEANUT :-) MICK PATRICK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:09:59 -0400 From: james botticelli Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music Phil Chapman wrote: > DJ Jimmy B: >> There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The Parade's (only?) >> LP > > Thanks, I have a fetish for covers, soundalikes and non-English > language versions. Now where can it be found? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:25:59 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Marketts - A Touch Of Velvet - A Sting Of Brass I just played this 45 to musica. (the A side was the Theme from "The Avengers"). I'd be interested in knowing what Mark Wirtz thinks of this version. They certainly weren't shy in using the brass section. Saw a Paul Anka song in musica. Thanks to whoever uploaded that one. Very nice quality - is a CD version available? Thanks again, Mike Edwards - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You can hear it at Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:24:34 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Golden Wonder Boy Martin wrote of his acetates: > "Golden Wonder Boy" by two unidentified males. > I can't remember if the best ears in the business (not overly large, > but very perceptive) have identified the singers, more likely to be > the writers. But it is a good tune, and, with the right producer, > could have been great. Both acetates (no artist credited on either) > will be played to musica. Thanks Martin. Yes we did identify the singer - cast your mind back, I know it's a long time ago...:-) You're right about it being the writers - it's a Cook/Greenaway tune and that's Roger Cook singing out in front. I later got confirmation of this when I was in touch with the Cook/Greenaway fan club - they had never heard of this song before and asked Roger Greenaway about it, and he remembered it. Some UK Spectropoppers might recall that in the 60s, Golden Wonder Crisps (that's chips to our US readers!) briefly featured on their TV ads a young super-hero-type kid called Golden Wonder Boy. The song was made for the ad campaign, but I don't know if it was ever used. It's actually intended for a girl to sing, and that's how Roger sings the lyrics. I agree - it's a good song, a kinda beaty girl-group blend and I've often wondered whether a more produced female version was ever cut - maybe as a freebie giveaway in return for ten empty cheese & onion packets? Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Reed Subject: Parade James Botticelli: > There is an "I Can Hear Music" soundalike on The > Parade's (only?) LP A&M SP 4127 . As I noted in my Nick DeCaro (who arr. most of the album for Jerry Riopelle) discography that appeared in the April 2001 issue of the Japanese publication "Record Collectors'": "This 1967 album, though given a catalogue number, was never isssued until 1997 in Japan as A&M POCM 2014." As for which track is the ICHM soundalike, though I have over 200 albums that DeCaro arranged, produced, or appeared on, this is not one of them. But it is a serious gap. Until very recently my DeCaro collection was even bereft of those those two neo-Spectorian classics, Home of the Brave and All Strung Out. BTW part two of my continuing series of overviews of DeCaro's career will appear this summer in Japan, along with an updated discography, which now hovers at slightly over the 300 mark. Bill Reed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:03:42 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: PEANUT VENDOR Mick, since you are such an expert on Peanut, you might be able to solve this mystery: There was one more single I produced with Peanut after "I Didn't Love Him Anyway." For some reason, I cannot remember the title, except that the A-side song was written by Peanut's then manager Valerie Avon (formerly of The Avons [UK]) and had the word "home" or "house" in it, and that the recording had an all-star stellar cast of background singers, and that I overall-compressed the dickens out of the track on mastering (something I typically NEVER did, except on this recording as well as Kippington Lodge's "Shy Boy" - on the original single disc mastering only - to make the whole thing pump and pound). I cannot find the single in my collection, and I never hear it mentioned. Any clues? Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:59:49 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Martin's acetates Martin, I've just been listening to some of your other unissued acetates, following the "Golden Wonder Boy" thread. I know it's a good few years since I heard them but I'm more than a little surprised to find a few discoveries amongst them that we missed first time around! Although unidentified on the labels, some of those voices are so distinctive:- First, there's Peanut/Katie Kissoon. We did agree when we first played them that three of the titles were sung by her, "You've Got Me Cryin' Again", "When The Swing Swings" and "I'm Coming Alive". I now see there's two more: "Two, Four, Six, Eight" and "Tell The World". I also reckon you've got two there by Jackie Lee: "My Kind Of Wonderful Guy" and "Find A Way Back" both big ballads like those she did in the mid/late 60s. There seems to be one by Lesley Duncan, "I've Gotta Make A Call", quite folky and brooding and unusually long at over 4 minutes. Sounds like something she might have written herself. And finally, a big surprise - you've got an unissued Samantha Jones acetate! It's called "In Time" - a Latin-flavoured tune and maybe not one of her most memorable, but still - it's her!! What a shame this wasn't discovered before the recent 2 CD set of Sam's stuff came out. You're a very lucky boy!! Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:30:13 EDT From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Shy Boy Compression Phil Chapman: > [re: Lansdowne Studios] Didn't Joe Meek start out here? I thought he produced everything in his home bedroom...? > ...if I am playing examples of extreme compression as used in > the sixties, one of the examples I use is Kippington Lodge's > "Shy Boy" - you virtually turned that inside out, or did that > happen on the cut? On the cut - intentionally. I actually disliked overall limiting compressing thoroughly (a common practice in those days on mixes and especially on mastering, partly as a "cheat" to make mixdown engineering easier, and partly to get more "volume" on the disc, even if it was at the expense of instruments presence and definition). But in the case of "Shy Boy," I WANTED it to pump and pound, letting the bass signal "fight it out" with the higher frequencies (bass won, LOL) and therefore generate a certain extra excitement. Unfortunately, that "sound" appears only on re-releases mastered from the original 45; all re-masters taken from the original mastertape are not "hyper compressed" and merely have some inaudible peak limiting. Thus, those re-releases sound flat in comparison to the original disc. Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:45:52 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: I Can Hear Music Gary Spector: > If I am not mistaken, Ms Brocolli (Not sure of first name or > spelling of last) sang on a Beach Boys CD. That was Christian singer Kathy Trocolli, on the made-in-Nashville "Stars And Stripes Forever" album, just before Carl's death. I can play it to musica if needed. She's from New York city and has a great voice. Timothy Schmidt does a good version of "Caroline No" on the same CD. Nick Archer Nashville TN -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:57:07 -0000 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Good ol' Canterbury Stewart Mason wondered about the Canterbury label. To the best of my knowledge, 'Yellow Balloon' was, sadly, Canterbury's most successful act. The other two bands I own 45s for on it are The Sound Machine (Gotta Ease My Mind/Spanish Flash) & (one of?) the bands called Group Therapy (Magic in the Air/Bad News, latter of which Jeff Glenn knows is a wonderful tune!!) From what I've read there were quite a few more in the sunshine/garage pop vein around '67-'68, but apparently only Zekley and friends made any headway. (Many of the other Canterbury singles are strongly desired by yours truly!!!) Speaking of labels let me add PAULA and SSS INT'L (which has been mentioned receently) as exemplary Southern "white-bread" pop labels, setting the standard as Stax/Volt did for many of the Memphis & Atlanta R&B groups. Love a whole lot of stuff on those, not the least of whom, John Fred et al, the non-hits as well as "Judy in Disguise". Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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