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Spectropop - Digest Number 447

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. RE: COKE 12" Singles and 10" Acetates
           From: Andrew Simons 
      2. Re: Gurls
           From: Norman 
      3. The Georgettes
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      4. Re: Boettcher Ads/Farrell/Romeo/PF Rarity/Finders Keepers
           From: Jeffrey Glenn 
      5. Goodees and Wes Farrell
           From: Kim Cooper 
      6. Re: Curt Boettcher Ads
           From: Joey Stec 
      7. Re: Finders Keepers & 'The Dalton Brothers'
           From: P Underwood 
      8. 4-track and miscellaneous
           From: Country Paul 
      9. Judy Stone, Kenny Karen, Second City Sound
           From: Ian Chapman 


Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:21:38 +0100
   From: Andrew Simons 
Subject: RE: COKE 12" Singles and 10" Acetates

Dear Poppers,

I had a few of the vinyl Coke radio spots myself (the Shirelles, 
Jan & Dean, the Supremes, Roy Orbison, etc) and in the early 
Eighties I got dubs of them to the Chicago representative of 
the annual Coke Convention in Atlanta. Word came back that the 
Corporation didn't want to know. My guess is that, aside from 
no-one in the record industry or in Coca-Cola taking this material 
seriously, the copyright to them might not be easy to ascertain. 
The advertising agency (McCann-Erickson), Coca-Cola itself, the 
original record companies who recorded these advertising versions 
based on the original hits, and possibly the artists themselves 
each might have a claim to ownership. So don't expect them on a 
major label anytime soon.

However, in 1995 a CD of them was issued from the nation of "Columbia".  
My memory is not very good sometimes but maybe this CD was distributed 
by the following company and those interested may wish to enquire:

East Anglian Productions
Studio House
21-23 Walton Road
Essex CO13 0AA

Andrew Simons

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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:21:27 +0930 From: Norman Subject: Re: Gurls Simon, Judy Stone was a popular singer in Australia in the sixties and seventies. She had hits with: I'll Step Down 1962 4,003,221 Tears From Now 1964 Born A Woman 1966 (shared chart with Sandy Posey version) Mare, Mare, Mare 1974 (shared chart with Ada Mori version) Would You Lay with Me In a Field of Stone 1974 Silver Wings and Golden Rings 1976 Hasta Manana 1976 I believe this even charted in Europe. She received a lot of exposure through her appearances on the Australian version of Bandstand. She basically started off Country and in later years headed down that musical road to much success. Although originally issuing some teen orientated singles her chart successes were always pop orientated as opposed to such artists as New Zealander Dinah Lee and Liverpudlian-born Aussie Lynne Randell who could rock with the best. Norman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:32:53 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: The Georgettes Thought you'd never ask! Anyone want a free tape? First five gets one. Thanks for the interest in the humble little Georgettes! ==Jimmy Boy== (34/34) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:03:53 -0700 From: Jeffrey Glenn Subject: Re: Boettcher Ads/Farrell/Romeo/PF Rarity/Finders Keepers Firstly, thanks to Doug and Neb (and others off-line, including Joe Foster, who put the things out!) for pointing out that the Boettcher ads were on MISTY MIRAGE. Had I looked at my copy prior to posting I would've known that! :-) > Don wrote: > > Wes Farrell passed away some time ago. Hopefully, his career > > will be discussed at length in the forthcoming VH1 bubblegum > > rock documentary (due to his work with such acts as The > > Partridge Family and The Rock Flowers). I just finished making a Wes Farrell/Tony Romeo Rarities CDR for one of the people involved in the VH-1 program (Kim, talk to Lisa:-)). All the tracks - all from 45's though some are also featured on LP's - feature one or the other (or both) involved as artists/composers/arrangers/producers/executive producers. And we've discussed some of these on Spectropop before: 1. Mr. Hunkachunk - Tony Romeo, 1966 2. My Ol' Gin Buddy And Me - Tony Romeo, 1966 3. Ski-Daddle - 06 7/8, 1966 4. Everybody's Got A Home But Me - 06 7/8, 1966 5. The Proper Four Leaf Clover - Every Mothers' Son, 1967 6. Dolls In The Clock - Every Mothers' Son, 1967 7. I Can't Stop - The Osmond Brothers, 1967 8. I Can't Shake This Feeling - The Carmel, 1967 9. Let My Child Be Free - The Carmel, 1967 10. Livin' In A World Of Make Believe - Good & Plenty, 1967 11. I Played My Part Well - Good & Plenty, 1967 12. Lisa, But Not The Same - The Critters, 1968 13. Indian Lake - Dr. Wishbone's Revival, 1968 14. Wishwater - Dr. Wishbone's Revival, 1968 15. Hello And Goodbye - Jerry Vale, 1969 16. Wha'cha Gonna Do For Me Now - The Bubble Gum Machine, 1968 17. The Love Of A Woman - The Bubblegum Machine, 1968 18. Crossroads Of The Stepping Stones - The Elephants Memory, 1969 19. Jungle Gym At The Zoo - The Elephants Memory, 1969 20. Pleasure Of Her Company - Burgundy Street Singers, 1970 21. Bye Bye Blackbird - Colage, 1970 22. My Kind Of Music - Colage, 1970 23. Lady Love - Mike Appel, 1970 24. I'm Gonna Give You Good Lovin' - Mike Appel, 1970 25. Number Wonderful (Mono Mix) - Rock Flowers, 1971 26. Number Wonderful (Stereo Mix) - Rock Flowers, 1971 27. You Are Always On My Mind - The New Christy Minstrels, 1971 (no Farrell/Romeo involvement here; it's just interesting to see anyone cover a PF album track/B-side) 28. All I Wanna Do Is Touch You - David Cassidy, 1971 And a couple of ringers: 29. Poor Little White Trash - Levine & Brown, 1974 (PF songwriters) 30. Conversations - Florence Henderson, 1969 And for any Partridge Family collectors out there, take note of tracks 21 and 22. These are the two sides of what is as far as I can tell an undocumented Partridge Family rarity (which I found in the record collection of one of our fellow Spectropoppers): Bye Bye Blackbird (Ray Henderson-Mort Dixon)/My Kind Of Music (Mike Appel-Jim Cretecos) - Colage, Bell B-920: 1970, Produced by Wes Farrell for Coral Rock Productions, Inc., Arranged by Mike Melvoin, Vocal Arrangement by John Bahler Both of these tracks were recorded at the same Aug 5, 1970 session that produced the released "Bandala" and "A Brand New Me," as well as "Find Peace In Your Soul," "All Of The Things," "The Love Song" (all three of which were featured in the show but never released), and the unreleased/unused "Bad Time." "Blackbird" - yes, it's the vaudeville standard - was actually used in an early PF episode with a Ray Bolger overdub (well, he played Shirley's dad), but "My Kind Of Music" was never used. And David Cassidy does not appear on either of these tracks. The single is a promo; it's very possible this never got as far as a commercial release. > Thanks to Jeff Limlich for supplying Finders Keepers, Challenge > AND Gary Usher info. I had forgotten reading about this in > Stephen J McParland's Usher odessy. And did Gary Usher have anything to do with Finders Keepers' "(We Wear) Lavendar Blue"/"Raggedy Ann" 45? The producer listed is Jerry Fuller, and the engineer is Bruce Botnick which would indicate to me that this was an in-house Challenge production. And what's wrong with their version of "Friday Kind Of Monday"? At the risk of seeming blasphemous, I prefer this to Ellie Greenwich's original (as The Meantime). :-) Anyone ever hear "Monday Kind Of Friday" by Dawn's Early Light on Diamond? Great song! Jeff -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:19:53 -0700 From: Kim Cooper Subject: Goodees and Wes Farrell Several folks mentioned the Goodees. Thoughtcha might want to know that there's an essay about them and the Shangri-La's by yours truly in issue #9 of Scram. Wasn't able to find much factual info about the former, but then that wasn't my aim. The piece explores the archetype of the girl gangster in 1960s pop and the erotic symbolism of the dead boyfriend. I don't seem to have the full article on my newish computer or I would post it. Alternately, I will offer copies of the mag for $4 postpaid (usually $5) to anyone in the next couple of weeks who says "I read it on Spectropop!" Also in Scram #9: Chad & Jeremy's psychedelic years, Scott Miller of the Loud Family on his favorite guilty pleasure LPs, Dusty Springfield obit, the Jacobites. If interested, please send a check or MO payable to "Kim Cooper" at the address below. And as for Wes Farrell, his remarkable career will certainly be explored in our VH-1 documentary "Pop Rocks"--in fact, his name came up in both of the fascinating interviews we did yesterday (with Bobby Hart and Ron Hicklin). Such a shame he isn't still here to share his memories! If anyone else has suggestions for folks to cover in "Pop Rocks" please do drop by the show's forum at and let us know. Sorry about the pop up ads! Kim -- Scram PO Box 461626 Hollywood, CA 90046-1626 out now, Scram 15--unpublished Gary Usher interview, Langley Schools Music Project, Brute Force, Daniel Clowes, and more. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:02:35 -0400 From: Joey Stec Subject: Re: Curt Boettcher Ads Neb Rodgers >I have a couple of these. They were included on Curt's 'Misty >Mirage' cd, as put out by the Poptones label. This disc has >jingles for Bank Americard, and Crown Paper Towels as well. >I haven't tried sending anything to musica yet, but unless >someone else has them (paging Mr Stec!) I'll give it a shot. Neb: If I can be of any help let me know. I most likely have copies of all the commercials we did with Curt way back when.. Regards, Joey Stec -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:29:54 +0200 From: P Underwood Subject: Re: Finders Keepers & 'The Dalton Brothers' Maritn Roberts: > Talking of musica, Paul Underwood kindly played The Dalton > Brothers' "Lottin Dottin Da Da". Beside giving me a couple of > fretful hours I really enjoyed it. But where did it come from? Hi Martin, Innocent explanation: when the Walker Brothers became popular in the mid sixties, Tower Records put together an album of pre-celebrity recordings: two authentic Dalton Brothers vocal tracks ("I Only Came To Dance With You" at the beginning of side one, "Without Your Love" at the beginning of side two), plus a bunch of instrumentals which probably had very little to do with messrs Engel and Stewart, and, hidden away towards the end of side two, the aforementioned "Lottin Dottin Da Da". That track, and Bonnie's "Tell Me In The Sunlight", seem to suggest that singers hanging around Goldstar studios had a bit of fun singing over other people's backing tracks. There's food for thought. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:02:18 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: 4-track and miscellaneous Mark Wirtz: Thank you for your comments on four-track mixing. It wasn't a lost art that ended in the 60's; I released two neo-doo-wop 45's on my own label [the Fabulous Dudes on Presence, 1989 and 1994] recorded on 4-track and mixed in much the same way. If anyone has further interest, contact me off list. Beatle Bob: the Fortunes' Coke ad was excellent in its own right. We'd even toss in freebies on our closed-circuit-but-commercial college station. It was the best of those I've heard - but I obviously need to tune in to musica. I visited and got lost in the discography. I see a 1978 unissued album, "Back to Vienna" (probably Epic). Anyone know anything of it or on it? No Bear Family track listing at the site, however. Folks who dismiss Nelson as simply a "teenage idol" forget that he fronted a rockabilly band that was better than most, despite being good lookin' and on weekly TV. Will Stos, welcome back. I checked your "Girl Groups" site, and note that you list Ellie Greenwich and unknown others as The Butterflys. Considering the first-person firepower assembled in this discussion, anyone have any more info on this aggregation? The Wes Farrell discussion puts me in mind of a 45 on Cameo he produced credited to the Knight Owls (mid 60's): "Good Galumpshus", definitely a bubblegum lyric but a hard driving one-chord-wonder rocker. Shoulda been a hit but (probably) for "cheaping out" on one important element: no bass player, thus no bottom to really drive the track. Wonder what he was thinking! Is the Dalton Brothers' "Lottin-Dottin-Dada" the same song as the great Dale Hawkins' "La-Do-Da-Da" (Checker, 1958?), sung with the same syllables? Gene Sculatti: Kenny Karen was indeed a solo male act on Columbia, unrelated to Kenny Dino to my knowledge. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:26:52 +0100 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Judy Stone, Kenny Karen, Second City Sound Simon White asked: >can anyone give me any information on >any of the following....Judy Stone..... > and a token male member....with a slightly gurlie name.... > Kenny Karen? > > I also found I have an AWFUL version of ' A Touch Of Velvet ' > by The Second City Sound. Never was such a group of > dis-interested people committed to vinyl. Committed maybe, > vinyl no. How many versions do we think there were? Simon, Judy Stone was Australian, and the sleevenotes of my copy of the excellent 60s Oz Girls compilation "Bandstand's Singing Sweethearts" (thanks Steve!) elaborate further: "....a Sydney girl, one with considerably more staying power. Pert and personable, Judy Stone, who had taught herself to play country style guitar in her teens, came under Col Joye's wing and toured with Col & the Joy Boys. Their duets on Bandstand became hugely popular with the folks at home. So too did her hits, which began with "I'll Step Down" in 1962, and continued with "4,003,221 Tears From Now", her virtual signature tune......she enjoyed another burst of chart success in the mid-70s and sold a great many records in China." So there you go. "4,003,221 Tears" was a cover of Kerri Downs on US Epic. As Mick has already pointed out, Judy also did a nice cover of Bernadette Peters' "And The Trouble With Me Is You", but my own favourite is a breezy Mann/Appell song called "In My Neighbourhood", which is in the vein of Lesley Gore circa '65. Kenny Karen was an early 60s teen idol-type. He, and his Man/Weil teen death song "Susie Forgive Me", were the subject of a few posts last June/July and again in November (available in the Spectropop archives), but Don Charles came up with a succinct paragraph which bears repeating:- "Kenny Karen was a protégé of Don Kirshner's. According to Alan Betrock's book GIRL GROUPS, there was a big promotional push on his singles in the early '60s. I think he may have recorded for Columbia. Karen was on Kirshner's short list to sing lead for The Archies in 1968." Kenny had 3 Columbia singles in '62, then nothing until one-offs for RCA, ABC and Big Tree in '67, '69 and '73 respectively. David A Young also pointed out that many of his Columbia sides were written by some of the Brill Building's best. And as for the Second City Sound - they were initially an instrumental outfit from Birmingham (UK) who specialised in beat versions of classical stuff. They had a hit with "Tchaikovsky One" in '66, and then with Jennie Darren in their line-up in '68, won a few editions of TV's "Opportunity Knocks". They had a smaller hit with "The Dream Of Olwen", where Jennie gamely "aaahh-aah"-ed the famous classical tune, but the attempted grandiosity didn't quite come off. "Touch of Velvet, Sting of Brass" was the flipside and......well, Simon's already said it all......... Their cover of "River Deep, Mountain High" (with perceived lyrics rather than the actual ones!) is just odd, with Jennie having attacks of Dorothy Squires-itis throughout. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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