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Spectropop - Digest Number 2181

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Michael and the Messengers
           From: Bill Mulvy 
      2. Re: Lou Rawls R I P
           From: Artie Wayne 
      3. Re: Edith Piaf sings Leiber & Stoller
           From: Mark Maldwyn 
      4. 15 minutes of fame ticking away
           From: Ronnie Allen 
      5. Bach's Lunch
           From: Joann 
      6. Steve Tudanger revised on musica
      7. Soul Weekender
           From: Dave Monroe 
      8. Steve Tudanger
           From: Martin Roberts 

________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:20:35 -0600 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: Michael and the Messengers Gary Myers on Jerry Goodman: > Goodman was a later member of Michael & the Messengers > (whose complicated story is in my book, "Do You Hear That > Beat"). Later on, Goodman was with John McLaughlin > Mahavishnu Orch. Would you happen to know if Michael and the Messengers will ever have a CD comp out? They only have Romeo and Juliet and Midnight Hour out on Nuggets and a Bob Stroud comp. I'd like to have a clean copy of the b-side Lifs (Don't Mean Nothin). By the way, was that a misprint on the word lifs? That is a great song, which few know about. Haunting in an early New Colony Six sort of way. Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Lou Rawls R I P Although I was aware of the impact that Lou Rawls had on his own generation, Frank Sinatra in particular, I never felt a personal connection with his music until, "Love is a Hurtin' Thing" [Raleigh/Lindley]. To understand why this was a pivitol point, not only in his career, but to the evoloution of pop music in general, we have to examine the times during which this music was created. It came in the middle of the Civil Rights movement, when "Negroes" were "allowed" to voice a political opinion in music...a time when complacency, turned into, "Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud!. Lou Rawls, obviously wanted to express himself too, but was restrained by his label, Capitol records, who still refered their R and B recordings as "race records". Capitol A+R men made it clear to me, as a songwriter/ publisher they were only looking for material that was entertaining, not a song that made a political statement of any kind. Lou, obviously, jumped at a chance to combine his streetwise eloquence with a song Ben Raleigh and David Linden brought to him, "Love is a Hurtin' Thing". Lou's talking at the beginning of the record was as revoloutionary, from a personal and emotional standpoint, as any music connected with the Civil Rights movement. He even got R and B radio play...a rarity for Capitol records during this time. For the next few years, he was the only one making records like these that were sucessful. Then a couple of artists came along a few years later, and added longer talking segments, liberally sprinkled with sexual references...and a "New" genre was born, with it's new stars, Isaac Hayes and Barry White. It was when he signed with Philadelphia International, that he actually sold the most albums, I believe. Gamble and Huff were looking for artists who could be sucessfully marketed by their distribution company, Columbia records, and Lou fit the Bill perfectly. He not only was one of the best interpreters of Gamble and Huff's songs, he had a history of being able to sell albums. It was around this time that I met Lou. Margo Matthews, who was Ed Silvers secretary at Warner Brothers music, had been his personal assistant for years...and he dropped by to see her one day. As I walked by her office, she called me in, and introduced us. I sat talking with him for a few minutes ...and felt like I was reconnecting with an old friend. I left a few minutes later, to let them talk, but I felt special all day long...not to mention everytime I heard one of his recordings from that day on. Hope you're enjoying your "Wings". Warmly, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:11:00 -0000 From: Mark Maldwyn Subject: Re: Edith Piaf sings Leiber & Stoller Frank wrote: > Since we're talking about non-English version of L&S songs, > I'd recommend another French one : Henri Salvador : "Along > Came Jones" which became probably the biggest success of all > L&S songs in France under the title of : "Zorro est arrivé"! And there's the Anglo-Irish version of "Jones" by Jackie Lee and The Raindrops. Mark M -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:55:13 EST From: Ronnie Allen Subject: 15 minutes of fame ticking away I''m Ronnie Allen though many people think my name is "RonnieOldiesGuy," which is my AOL screen name! Back in 1961, while living in Teaneck, NJ, I released my only single, billed as Ronnie Allen. It was on the Dapt label (Dapt 205) and was called "Flip Over You." The B side was '"Ronnie's Swanee." Unfortunately "Flip" was a flop. However, by a stroke of luck (either good or bad, depending on point of view) that flop recording of mine is in great demand these days around the world on the collector's market. Which would seem to be really great in terms of ego-boosting -- except that I am not really sure it is in demand for the right reason! It turns out that around the time I recorded "Flip Over You" there was a different recording artist who also used the name "Ronnie Allen" and recorded on the San record label. His best-known recording was "Juvenile Delinquent" (a fine record indeed) and he had a few others as well. We were both rockabilly artists. He was a guitarist/singer where I was a pianist/singer. Our paths never crossed and I eventually found out, sadly, that he passed away in the mid-60s. I never found out whether he was aware of me and the truth is that I didn't become aware of him until the 70s. The above information is directly germane to the question of why my "Flip" flop recording would be of interest to anybody. It turns out that because my name was identical to his (spelled exactly the same way), many record collectors still think that we were the same recording artist. And because his recordings are considered very valuable on the collector's market, my single recording of "Flip Over You" on Dapt is also considered valuable, largely because many people to this day still confuse the two of us. Times Square Records not long ago was advertising my Dapt recording of "Flip Over You" online for $100 (that's one hundred bucks)! The latest Osborne publication that I saw has finally corrected their information (and now acknowledges that the two of us were different artists) but the price of my recording on the collector's market is still around 50 dollars. That's only part of the story. There's a CD out there (still available if you look) called "Rockin' Around Nashville" that contains 7 tracks by "Ronnie Allen": two of the tracks are my "Flip Over You" and "Ronnie's Swanee" and the other five are by the other "Ronnie Allen"! If I recall correctly (I don't have the CD in front of me) there's also a picture of "Ronnie Allen" and, yes, it's HIM! Also the fact is that I never recorded anywhere near Nashville! "Flip Over You" was recorded at Regent Sound studios in New York City, the same place where Linda Scott, Janie Grant and the Angels did their recorings on Canadian-American and Caprice. I actually got to know Linda personally since she was also from Teaneck. Happily she did manage to achieve appreciable access (while I was struggling!) with "I've Told Every Little Star" and "Don't Bet Money, Honey." I personally bought her a copy of my record and played it for her and she told me that she preferred the B side, "Ronnie's Swanee." But I preferred "Flip Over You," largely because it was an original song. I actually tried to copyright "Ronnie's Swanee" but the copyright office sent back my money, explaining that they could not accept the premise that I had written "Swanee River"! [I tried to explain that I was copyrighting an arrangement but they wouldn't buy that argument]. When my record came out, the company -- Dapt Records -- made a BIG mistake! Besides releasing it in the first place! LOL :) They misprinted the title of the A side as "FLIP YOU OVER"!!! I was, uh, FLIPergasted but what could I do except request that they press it with the CORRECT title. They did and they promised me that all of the bad copies would be destroyed! Today I found out that one of those bad copies from 44 years ago somehow managed to walk out of the studio!!! This link should work for the next few days (I am posting this on January 7, 2006.) XXXX:// Swanee-NR_W0QQitemZ4818238276QQcategoryZ25602QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem To view the link, please replace XXXX with http. This is the first time to my knowledge that I have made it onto Ebay, so of course I am humbled. Even though the title is wrong!!! By the way, this may very well be the only copy of "Flip You Over" (misprinted title) in existence. So could it be worth a zillion dollars maybe? As I type this I can imagine that my "fame" clock is doing its thing ..... Tick! Tick! Tick! Ronnie Allen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:01:13 -0000 From: Joann Subject: Bach's Lunch I am trying to locate the song "Will You Love Me Tomorrow", and on the other side was "You Go On", by a group named The Bach's Lunch. The record label name was: Tomorrow. Any information is appreciated. Thank you, Joann -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:50:00 EST From: Subject: Steve Tudanger revised on musica I have taken down Steve Tudanger's demo of "Mary" and replaced it with the master. As I remember it, this was the 'B' side of "Everybody's Talkin' 'Bout You Now" only when it was released on Chelsea in the US and RCA in Canada. Not on the Mercury release. Delbert is God, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Soul Weekender Shameless self + others promotion ... SOLIDSOUNDSYSTEM SOUL WEEKENDER and INCRIMINATORS FYBO SCOOTER RALLY! Thu Jan 12 - Sun Jan 15 Durham NC + Raleigh NC - USA DOWNLOAD THE FLYER: CHECK THE DJ LINEUP: CHECK THE FREEZE YOUR BALLS OFF (FYBO) SCOOTER RALLY SITE: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:49:19 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Steve Tudanger Thanks to Mike Rashkow and S'pop for playing the Steve Tudanger demos to musica. Sad he's passed away but I am grateful to Rashkovsky for posting his request, some months ago, for messages to be sent to Steve. Nice to know he'd have an idea how much his music was enjoyed. Few 45s give me as much pleasure as his Four-Evers "(Say I Love You) Doo Bee Dum" on Smash. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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