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Spectropop - Digest Number 2162



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There are 20 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. The Story Behind The Song
           From: Artie Wayne 
      2. Welcome, Randy Poe
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
           From: Hans Olof Gottfridsson 
      4. Welcome, Randy Poe
           From: Paul Oliverio 
      5. Re: Deano,Tiger Bay
           From: Mark Maldwyn 
      6. Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
           From: Martin Roberts 
      7. Re: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
      8. Nutty Squirrels Christmas song
           From: Matt Spero 
      9. Re: Is Nino Tempo actually Stan Getz?
           From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran 
     10. I'm hip man
           From: Martin Roberts 
     11. Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group
           From: Mick Patrick 
     12. Re: Ciao Baby - help!
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
     13. Re; Randy Poe/ Leiber and Stoller
           From: Artie Wayne 
     14. Cathy Saint
           From: Randy Poe 
     15. Re: KING KONG mystery solved
           From: Artie Wayne 
     16. Tony Meehan > Scarlett O'Hara
           From: Justin McDevitt 
     17. Re: Ciao Baby - help!
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
     18. Marty Machat
           From: Randy Poe 
     19. Deano on video
           From: David Bell 
     20. Ray Rivera - Ciao Baby
           From: Lyn Nuttall 


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________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: The Story Behind The Song How ya' doin'? As a long time lover of pop music I've always been curious about the story behind the song. Knowing that many of my Spectropals feel the same way, I'd like to share the story behind "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas", the new song that I wrote with Tony Wine ["Groovy Kind of Love", "Candida"] which is on the Tony Orlando and Dawn "Reunion" album. In 1995, after 20 years of being in the music buisness as a singer, songwriter, producer, being an exec at April- Blackwood, Warner Brothers music, and running musicIrving/ Almo, I had become too weak to even hold a guitar. Finally, I could no longer work at Allan Rinde's legendary Chinese restaurant in Hollywood, Gengis Cohen, [which I named and hosted off and on for ten years], where I also created clothes for the rich and famous. When I kept falling down in the street, I knew that something was seriously wrong with me! I was uninsured, and was facing this crisis all alone. My two closest friends, Allan Rinde, was spending more and more time in Nashville with his fiance, Toni Wine...and Patti Dahlstrom, had moved back to Houston, to teach music and critical thinking at the Art Institute of Houston. I had taken to wearing all black, as I stumbled around the back streets of Hollywood, hoping I wouldn't see anybody that I knew. I felt, for the first time in my life, that I had reached the end of the road. Fortunately, Patti was in town for a conference, and came over to visit. I didn't want her to see me broke and broken... but now I'm glad I did. She convinced me to swallow my pride, and seek help from social services...which saved my life! I went to the USC medical center for 2 days of tests, and they kept me for 3 weeks. It was a few days before Christmas, I was in a ward with many who were far worse off than me...and we did our best to keep each others' spirits up. Somehow, I lost my phone book, and the only numbers that I could remember was my Mothers', who had moved to West Virginia, and that my long time friend Alan O'Day, who was on his way out of town. It's a policy of most hospitals to send as many patients home for the holidays to be with their family and friends. Soon, I was the only one left in the ward, since I had nowhere else to go. One lonely night, as I sat feeling sorry for myself, I heard a group down the hall, singing Christmas carols. I followed the voices to the the children's ward...where I heard the joyous sounds of "Jingle Bells". It was the Salvation Army, passing out toys and candy, and singing to the kids, who were confined to their beds. I joined in on "Silent Night", "Jingle Bell Rock", and "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer", but when they started singing "White Christmas"...tears started running down my face, and I had to sit in another room to compose myself. This song, written by Irving Berlin, always brings back memories of family and friends in a snow covered New York City ...flooding me with emotions. 10 years later, I told Toni Wine [whom I've known since she was 14]...and showed her some lyrics I had written that fateful night "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas". She loved it, but wanted to make the story more universal. Over two writing sessions, we came up with.... "I LOSE IT WHEN THEY HEAR "WHITE CHRISTMAS" words and music by Toni Wine and Artie Wayne They can play "Jingle Bells" all day talk about Santa's Sleigh I'm alright on a very "Silent Night" But then my tears begin when they sing I can't join in 'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas" Bein' without you just ain't no fun What kind of thrill is cookin' for one? Can't deny I wanna' cry myself out Here's to Holiday spirit don't wanna' be anywhere near it 'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas" And Baby I know...You needed to go But why did you have to leave me now? [instumental] Don't feel like spreading good cheer Just wanna' sleep in the New Year 'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas" 'Cause I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas" Copyright 2005-CasmoTwine/ WayneArt Music BMI Now I've finally recovered...and am able to paint and write again! Thanks for your continued support...I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!! Regards, Artie Wayne P.S. My 2005 Guestbook will close on December 31st, but remain on permenant display. Along with my old friends from the music biz, I want all my new Spectropop pals to leave their mark for posterity Just click on to http:artiewayne.com It's not about how many units you sell, but how many friends you make along the way. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:55:28 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Welcome, Randy Poe Randy Poe: > I've worked for Leiber & Stoller for the last 20 years. > When I had lunch with Nino (Tempo) the other day, he told > me that he actually met Mike before Jerry did. Randy Poe! Welcome to S'pop! Say "Hi" to Mike and Jerry from us all. They're two bona fide S'pop heroes, for sure. Just yesterday, I was playing "Leiber & Stoller Present The Daisy/ Tiger Records Story" CD on Sundazed. It's one of my absolute favourite CDs. A question for you: Do you have a photo of Cathy Saint? Just askin'. :-) I don't know if you've had time to investigate the S'pop site at all, but among the things you'll find is an interview with your pal Nino Tempo, another of our heroes: http://www.spectropop.com/NinoTempo/index.htm Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:46:48 -0000 From: Hans Olof Gottfridsson Subject: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg Dear Friends, A couple of years ago I wrote the book "The Beatles - From Cavern to Star-Club". Since then I have also been involved in the Bear Family Record CD/Book box release "Beatles Bop - Hamburg Days". Now I work on my third book about British Beat in Hamburg in the early 60's. This book is also the main reason I ask for your help. I'm keen learn more about any groups playing in Hamburg (Germany) in 1960-62. The book also includes a piece about the career of Pete Best (ex-Beatle). I'm keen to learn more about his career in 1963-66, especially the illfated US/Canada visit in 1965. Regards, Hans Olof Gottfridsson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Oliverio Subject: Welcome, Randy Poe Randy, Are you the guy from the Leiber & Stoller office? Welcome!!! We spoke back in the Eighties when I was a teacher at Jefferson HS in Los Angeles. That is the school with various Lieber & Stoller connections: Richard Berry, Obie "Young" Jessie, the Coasters... Enjoy the pop-chat! Paul Oliverio -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:05:44 -0000 From: Mark Maldwyn Subject: Re: Deano,Tiger Bay Michael Robson wrote: > i have posted a glossy MAY 1966 press photo of DEANO to the > SPECTROPOP photos section. the little blurb on the back of > the photo is as follows- > "Tiger Bay, Cardiff, that gave us Shirley Bassey, becomes > bountiful again and sends us talented, melodious 13 year old > DEANO. With her current recording of "Starlight, Starbright", > DEANO is to tour all over Britain, gathering fans as she goes. > Her singing, and her vivacious personality will surely put her, > in record time, in the top class." Thanks Michael, Apart from Deano and Bassey, it's interesting how Tiger Bay also produced Lorne Lesley and has connections with Hayley Mills, Horst Buchholz and Saint Etienne. Mark M -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:34:13 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group Kim Cooper: > Direct from group member Bibbe Hansen, here's the story of how > three little panhandlers ended up making one of the silliest > Beatles tribute recordings, "Let's Go Go Go With Ringo." > Featuring Jack Kerouac's daughter, the Tokens, Colpix, Laurie, > Murray the K's mom and a link to hear the song. > Where? Lost in the Grooves, natch: http://tinyurl.com/c86ro Thanks to Kim for posting the link to the inside scoop on The Whippets, Bibbe Hansen told a cool story. I know some folks will do almost anything for a Beatles-related 45 but me, I'd like to hear the other side, "I Want To Talk With You"! (hint, hint) Sorry to hear of Steve Duboff's passing, his name appears on many groovy 45s. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:12:38 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: Pete Best Combo & British Beat in Hamburg Hans Olof Gottfridsson wrote: > I'm keen learn more about any groups playing in Hamburg in > 1960-62. You may well know this site already, but just in case you don't (and it may interest others here): >From the Mersey to the Elbe 1960-1966 http://members.lycos.nl/dph2/connection/merseybeat.htm This site by George Evans includes UK and German discographies, and a lot of detail (he even goes into some pre-Merseybeat history about Indonesion & Malay bands in Germany). Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:16:49 EST From: Matt Spero Subject: Nutty Squirrels Christmas song Hi, I am trying to find the Nutty Squirrels Christmas song "Please Don't Take Our Tree For Christmas". Anyone out there have this little gem to share? Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran Subject: Re: Is Nino Tempo actually Stan Getz? Anna wrote: > I was looking at a Stan Getz information website that had > some sort of link to Wikipedia, which I understand has been > having problems with people putting false info on it. Much > to my shock, a jokester had stated that "Nino Tempo" is > actually a pseudonym for Stan Getz! Paul Urbahns wrote: > As I understand it Wikipedia is a free on line encyclopedia, > but the source material is anyone who volunteers info and so > they are not reliable. You could probably make up a previously > unknown subject and write something up and it would probably be > accepted as fact. Don't trust it. The internet is the biggest > spreader of mistruths ever devised already. As a wikipedian I suggest that you all make up your own minds about wikipedia. Here is what the BBC just reported on the subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm Both the Nino Tempo article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nino_Tempo and the Stan Getz article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Getz have been corrected since August and October. I suggest that you all do your own tests of wikipedia - and while you are testing it you might just add to some of the articles since this forum has a total of 382,719 years of great experience behind it. Einar -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:35:14 -0000 From: Martin Roberts Subject: I'm hip man At the risk of sounding as if I've got my finger on the musical pulse, an event that hasn't really occurred since I was at the IOW festival in '70. MOJO have chosen their Top Ten CD releases of the year. In the reissue category, three of my faves feature: no. 6 Hearing Is Believing - The Jack Nitzsche Story (Ace) no. 5 One Kiss Can Lead To Another - Girl Group Sounds (Rhino) no. 4 Joe Meek - The RGM Legacy - Portrait Of A Genius (Castle) Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:17:55 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: The Secret History of the Whippets, a NYC girl group Kim Cooper: > Direct from group member Bibbe Hansen, here's the story of how > three little panhandlers ended up making one of the silliest > Beatles tribute recordings, "Let's Go Go Go With Ringo." > Featuring Jack Kerouac's daughter, the Tokens, Colpix, Laurie, > Murray the K's mom and a link to hear the song. > Where? Lost in the Grooves, natch: http://tinyurl.com/c86ro Martin Roberts: > Thanks to Kim for posting the link to the inside scoop on The > Whippets, Bibbe Hansen told a cool story. I know some folks > will do almost anything for a Beatles-related 45 but me, I'd > like to hear the other side, "I Wanna Talk With You"! Say no more, find it playing at musica right now. As a rule, I find the best thing to do with Beatles tribute records is turn 'em over. (The same applies to northern soul 45s, but don't tell anyone I said that.) Details are: The Whippets "I Wanna Talk With You" (Josie 921, 1964); written by Neil Levinson: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica > Sorry to hear of Steve Duboff's passing, his name appears on > many groovy 45s. Steve Duboff died on Feb 28th, 2004. A brief obituary is available at S'pop Remembers: http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/SDobit.htm Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:04:18 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: Ciao Baby - help! Randy asked about a lost male version of 'Ciao Baby': Inspired by your post, I've just updated my page about the Larry Weiss-Scott English 'Ciao Baby': http://www.poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=&4 I've listed versions by: The Toys, The Montanas, Lynne Randell, Eternal Flame (all 1967), Catherine McKinnon (Canada 1970), Craig Scott (NZ 1971). (Not to say there aren't others I don't know about.) Larry Weiss's song list at his own site doesn't list any further versions: http://www.rhinestonecowboy.com/discography.htm All of which is probably of no help at all! Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re; Randy Poe/ Leiber and Stoller Randy...How ya' doin'? It's been a long time. Being on Spectropop is like going to the Turf, after a long hard day at the Brill Building! You never know who you're gonna' meet...but you know you're gonna' have a good time! I'm amazed that after all these years, you're still sending me royalties for "Train to the sky [Raleigh/ Wayne], that Bobby Darin recorded, and "Better Now Than Later" {Raleigh/ Wayne] which was the b-side of "Danke Schoen" by Wayne Newton! The last time I saw Mike, was at a quiet dinner with my late manager Marty Machat. I was spellbound by his tale of having been rescued from the Andrea Doria, the luxury liner that was shipwrecked in 1956! The last time I saw Jerry, was at a little sushi bar, in Hollywood. He had me, and my friend, Patti Dahlstrom laughing so hard...that we forgot that we had an opening to go to at the Troubador! OK...Enough frivolity! I finally recovered from a spinal operation I had 10 years ago...and I'm able to paint and write songs again! A new song I wrote Toni Wine, "I Lose it When I Hear "White Christmas", is in the Tony Orlando and Dawn "Reunion" CD. I'd be honored if You, Mike and Jerry would drop by my website and sign my new Guest book in celebration of my rising from the ashes. Just click onto http:artiewayne.com A lot of your old freinds and former staff writers are already in there, along with many of my new Spectropop pals, who've encouraged and supported me over the past few years and made me believe in myself again. We'll be closing the 2005 guest book, to new entries, on December 31st, but I'm sure it will remain on view...forever! Merry Christmas, thanks and regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Poe Subject: Cathy Saint Mick Patrick wrote: > A question for you: Do you have a photo of Cathy Saint? > Just askin'. :-) We tried to find a photo of her when we were putting together the Daisy/Tiger Story CD with no luck. Haven't had any luck finding her or finding out much about her. Randy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: KING KONG mystery solved How ya' doin'? I want thank everyone who responded to my KING KONG KWESTION. If You are one of them please, contact me offline...I'll send you a special MP3 reward! Thanks, and regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:21:16 -0600 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Tony Meehan > Scarlett O'Hara Hello Spectro-experts, In a recent post, Mick Patrick wrote: > In 1963 Tony returned to performing, as a duo with Jet Harris, > another ex-Shadow. Together they charted with the memorable > "Diamonds", "Scarlett O'Hara" and "Applejack"... With respect to the second of the above-referenced tracks, I have a recording of Scarlett O'Hara from a 1963 Lawrence Welk Lp, which I remember hearing on American Bandstand. I also recall hearing a second version of this track, a bit more up- tempo, (with even a saxophone in the instrumental mix) which I heard on one of the local rock stations. I wouldn't think the second version that I heard was the Tony Meehan-Jet Harris production since I would imagine that it was similar in sound to the Welk recording, minus the violins. Therefore, was there a third version which had minor airplay on some US radio stations in the late spring of 1963? A Merry Christmas and a healthy blessed New Hear to all of you as I begin my fourth year as a member of this truly knowledgeable, diverse and interesting group. Justin McDevitt P.S. two degrees above zero Fahrenheit today in Saint Paul MN. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:02:58 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: Ciao Baby - help! More on the lost male version of 'Ciao Baby': Three more male versions I've found: 1. Mel Torme 2. Long John Baldry However, both appear as bonus tracks on CD reissues, both apparently previously unreleased. (Both appear to be late 60s, and they are the Weiss-English song.) However: 3. Ray Rivera & his Orchestra had a "Ciao Baby" on "Latin Workout", a 1968 album on Mercury. Sadly, I can't verify 100% whether it's the same song. (Interestingly, the LP has "Bend Me Shape Me" on it, another Weiss-English song.) Produced by Claus Ogerman. http://www.bjbear71.com/Ogerman/Claus-b1a.html Could Ray be your man? Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Poe Subject: Marty Machat Artie Wayne wrote: > The last time I saw Mike, was at a quiet dinner with my late > manager Marty Machat... A few years ago we were having a slight discrepancy with Phil Spector. Marty Machat was his lawyer at the time. Our lawyer wrote to Marty, and then we waited for a reply. We waited several days, then several weeks. I figured it was nothing out of the norm since Phil works in myserious ways. Finally, after a couple of months of waiting, I opened the paper one day and read that Marty had died. The next thing I knew, the phone rang and it was Allen Klein telling me he was Phil's new representative. And the rest is history....or something. Randy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:39:22 EST From: David Bell Subject: Deano on video I've just been googling around, idly passing away the time, when I came across an old friend, the videobeat.com. There are only 3 Thank Your Lucky Stars shows that exist and one of them from 14th May 1966 features Deano singing "Starlight". Just thought someone would like to know. One day I'll get around to ordering it but not just yet. There are too many fabulous cds that I still need. David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:44:23 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Ray Rivera - Ciao Baby Lyn wrote: > Could Ray (Rivera) be your man? No, Lyn. Same song, but it's an instrumental. Got that from Ray himself. Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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