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Spectropop - Digest Number 2142

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Good Vibrations and Jersey Boys
           From: Mike Edwards 
      2. Beach Boys ballads
           From: James Botticelli 
      3. Beach Boys ballads
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Beach Boys ballads
           From: Pres 
      5. Re: Candy & the Kisses CD
           From: Stefano Boni 
      6. Re: Brian Wilson interview
           From: Jens Koch 
      7. Re: Tupper Saussy new works
           From: ACJ 
      8. Girls Will Be Girls
           From: Ray Soulsteptoe 

________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:16:33 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Good Vibrations and Jersey Boys Having seen "Jersey Boys" a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't help wondering why it has proven to be much more successful than the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys themed musical, "Good Vibrations", which played on Broadway last year. I saw "Good Vibrations" last December and I enjoyed it. However I couldn't find a review that supported this opinion. Even the reviews by Spectropop members were negative. Certainly the New Jersey feel of "Jersey Boys" was perfect for a New York audience, whereas the California styled "Good Vibrations" with cast members sporting Speedos and Quicksilver shirts probably seemed out of place to audiences who spent the morning shoveling snow from their driveways. Mind you, that didn't stop "South Pacific" from chalking up nearly 2,000 performances back in the day. "Good Vibrations" wasn't about the lives of the Beach Boys whereas "Jersey Boys" was very much about the lives of the 4 Seasons. The audience knew pretty early on who the characters were in "Jersey Boys"; they probably didn't figure out the characters in "Good Vibrations" even as the performance came to an end. When a "Good Vibrations" cast member sang "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times", the audience could not easily relate to it. The songs in "Jersey Boys" were not used to substitute for the spoken word, they complemented it. "Sherry" was a pivotal song but its lyrics were not part of the story line, allowing the audience to clap and stomp along with it. And then there's the difference in the music. I've noted in the past that as good a songwriter/producer as Brian Wilson was, his music had zero r&b appeal. Songs by Crewe/Gaudio and Crewe/Linzer/ Randell (and other combinations) included strong r&b elements. In addition, as Mick Patrick noted in his notes to the sadly deleted Dyno Voice CD, a Bob Crewe backing track could wake the dead. Given this, it was clearly a lot easier for those attending "Jersey Boys" to rock along than for those in the "Good Vibrations" audience. It's a formula that has clearly worked for "Mama Mia". Whenever I read messages about Brian Wilson's work, they invariably include essays or references to blessings by others (such as Paul McCartney or someone's music teacher) to support the case. This doesn't make them bad songs but maybe they don't work in a musical. 4 Seasons' songs need no such baggage, they hit you right between the eyes as the needle drops on the beginning of their 45s. I don't think a cast CD was issued for "Good Vibrations", whereas it was for "Jersey Boys" and this CD is currently # 176 on Respectable as is the # 285 placing for Rhino's "Very Best of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons" on the same listing. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:14 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Beach Boys ballads Regina Litman wrote: > A slow Beach Boys song that I like sometimes, depending on my > mood, is "The Warmth of the Sun". That's called a Dead Ballad at this address. Also check out "Girls On The Beach". A ballad can have a beat to it. I guess the criterion would be the mood the song conveys and, of course, how you'd dance to it! JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:27:38 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Beach Boys ballads Regina Litman wrote: > A slow Beach Boys song that I like sometimes, depending on my > mood, is "The Warmth of the Sun". The Warmth of the Sun is even more meloncholy when you learn that Brian and Mike (?) wrote it through the night and finished it the morning that John Kennedy died in Dallas. As for Pet Sounds you ought to listen to what was making the charts at the time it was released, including Beach Boys filler like Barbara Ann. Then put on Pet Sounds. And on the Seventh Day Brian created Pet Sounds! Where did such young kid that material, sound, ect. Definately a case of the Old Master Painter in disguise. Steve Harvey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:02:02 -0000 From: Pres Subject: Beach Boys ballads "Don't Worry Baby" is second only to "Baby I Love You" as my favorite records of the sixties. As far as Beach Boys ballads, I can't think of any better, in my opinion. But here are the runner ups: "Please Let Me Wonder" (the "I love you" at the end is sigh worthy and I can't help but notice the similarity in KC's "I love you" at the beginning of "Please Don't Go"), "Caroline, No", "The Warmth of The Sun", "God Only Knows", "You Still Believe In Me" and "Kiss Me Baby". And for a first try at a ballad, you could certainly do worse than "Surfer Girl". pres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Stefano Boni Subject: Re: Candy & the Kisses CD Mick Patrick: > Excellent group, Candy & the Kisses. You converts have their > CD, yes? If not, find out more, and hear sound bites, here > and here Paul Urbahns: > For the benefit of we in the USA, the Candy and The Kisses > CD is available from Amazon Canada, known to value hunters > as With the current rate of exchange > the price is quite reasonable. I frequently get orders from > Amazon Canada arriving at my house in the sticks of Kentucky, > faster than orders shipped by Amazon USA. I bought this CD earlier this year, prior to the Cameo-Parkway set coming out. I'm curious to know how the tracks were mastered, because while "The 81", on the ABKCO set is crystal clear, the sound on that track from the British CD, seems to have more kick to it. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:55:46 +0100 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: Brian Wilson interview Jon Biker: > Very interesting interview with Brian Wilson in today's (London) > Times (29 November) Yeah - every once in a while these kinds of Brian Wilson interviews appear; I posted one myself some time ago, and yes it doesn't actually thrill anyone. If you're unprepared for it, or somehow thought Brian had made enough progress from his troubled mind, it's sad; and if you are prepared for it, it's still very sad, but at least this article implies that Brian is not always at the 'worst of times'. However boiling Wilson's condition down to a matter of either relating people or the old genius bit isn't helpful to say the least. Maybe Larry King was badly prepared for the CNN interview last year, but at least Brian was given the opportunity to explain his mental problems. This writer, Andrew Billen, seems set upon exposing Brian as what he quotes an "amateur human being", which really says more about the writer than Brian Wilson. Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:44:48 -0500 From: ACJ Subject: Re: Tupper Saussy new works I wish Mr. Saussy nothing but the best with his "new music project," but it'll be hard to replace Don Gant as the Neon Philharmonic's vocalist. For me, he was a big part of the NP's success (what success it had). ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:54:30 -0000 From: Ray Soulsteptoe Subject: Girls Will Be Girls Hi everyone - this is my first post - prompted by hearing one track off the "Girls Will Be Girls" cd - it's Elena and "007" - what can you experts tell me about this track? I'm hoping it's on a 45. Ray -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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