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Spectropop - Digest Number 2084

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: No Direction Home - Dylan Documentary
           From: Various 
      2. Re: DC5
           From: Matt Spero 
      3. Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      4. Re: Cruisin series
           From: Pres 
      5. Re: DC5 HOF?
           From: Bill Mulvy 
      6. Re: Teddy Vann discography
           From: Hans Huss 
      7. Re: Carole King and the Monkees
           From: David Gofstein 
      8. Shindig!
           From: Hans Huss 
      9. Night Train To Nashville
           From: Paul Urbahns 
     10. Re: Cruisin series
           From: Hans Huss 
     11. Re: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series
           From: James Botticelli 
     12. Re: Cruisin' series
           From: Frank 
     13. Motorpsycho nightmare
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     14. Interview with Ron Dante
           From: Country Paul 
     15. The hidden faces
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:52:54 -0000 From: Various Subject: Re: No Direction Home - Dylan Documentary Kurt Benbenek wrote: > The day after the Dylan documentary was aired, some friends and I > were discussing it over dinner. One of my more creative friends > brought up his own theory that Dylan never really met and hung out > with Woody Guthrie, and that this claim was just another in a long > line of Dylan put-ons. I don't mean to be naive, but is there any > tangible evidence of Dylan having been an acquaintance of Woody? > For instance, photographs of them together, Guthrie family > reminiscences, etc. Musically, Woody and Dylan were connected, but > did they really hang out together? I seem to recall Arlo or her mother talking about Bobby Dylan visiting Woody when he was sick. Woody wasn't do much by that time other than listening to Dylan sing. Steve Harvey ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kurt, I know from Nora Guthrie and the family in general that Bob did visit Woody.The other bit of info in the docu that I DO feel was portrayed over-dramatically, (and at the time, fictionally), was the motorcycle accident. I remember just before JOHN WESLEY HARDING came out, we all wondered what Dylan would look like on the album cover. The accident had been portrayed by the press and Grossman's camp as horrific, as if Bob had been mangled. This now appears to've been Bob trying to mythologize himself, ala James Dean. My sense of it from people in Woodstock who knew Bob is that he fell off his bike and was somewhat hurt. I also remember we were all shocked by how odd he looked on the JOHN WESLEY HARDING album cover. Some people said that Bob was actually the strange looking guy in the front of the shot and that the accident had disfigured him. Also, the music was a shock, with the turn towards country, which only further enforced the sense that Dylan had gone through a radical transfiguration. C. Ponti ------------------------------------------------------------------ They certainly did not 'hang out together'. Guthrie was well past the point of hanging out with anyone, as he was already committed to hospital by the time Dylan arrived in NY. Dylan made some visits to Guthrie's hospital bed (as did many other folkies), but that's about all. In 1961 Guthrie was still fit enough to be taken to concerts and sessions, and so may have attended some that Dylan also was present at, but I seriously doubt that Guthrie would have taken much notice of Dylan at the time. On the other hand Dylan has acknowledged Guthrie's influence throughout his career, not just in his "song to woody" and "last thoughts etc" monologue, so I don't really see why this should be an instance of a 'put on' ... Jens Koch ------------------------------------------------------------------ I'd hope the family would be able to corroborate, but I'm not sure that Arlo was even a very frequent visitor when his dad was in decline. Has Dylan ever offered any kind of explanation for his essential denial of hiw own family (parents and brother)? He seems to be almost allergic to any kind of reference to them that is anything more than superficial. Anita ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:46:29 EDT From: Matt Spero Subject: Re: DC5 I never bought that compilation as it is in MONO when I have all of them in TRUE STEREO on their greatest hits LP on Epic. A propper STEREO CD should be put out. Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:28:03 -0400 From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series I think I can answer both Phil X Milstein's question, "How are the song transfers in the series? Proper versions? Stereo? Etc.? Generally speaking, of course. " and Hasse Huss' comment. "My memory is not clear on this, but I recall being very disappointed with what I think was a later re-release of the series, in the same sleeves and with similar track listings, but with some tracks missing (or with inferior commercials) and poorer sound. Anyone remember this?" The original Cruisisin' series was excellent is every respect. They were mono but as far as I can tell used the right versions (the singles of coarse). The intent was you make it sound like you was listening to AM radio in its glory days. Then from what someone told me the original producers were sued by some of the record companies because they (being radio people, not record execs) failed to get proper clearance on some of the songs. The series went out of circulation totally and I assume the lawsuits went on for years. Finally the series resurfaced on a reedited series (a nd a different number series) where there were fewer songs on the albums, and most of the songs were represented by new Ktel re- recordings. They apparently did not have original work parts so the original version may play for a few seconds under the DJ and the when he stopped talking the song switched to the remake. I wrote to the company and ask why. They said they could not get permission to use some of the original songs on the series. The series has gone through maybe two more edits since then. They put the original performances on the newer ones but they had to substitute some songs all together. But during these edits, the DJ patter had to remain the same because they could not recut it. There was a sampler disk made called, "The Cruisin' Years" which was finally issued commerically.I have it, and it contains, excerpts from the original series of albums. Since I have most of the original albums, I have not purchased any of the CDs so someone else would have to report on them. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:52:32 -0400 From: Pres Subject: Re: Cruisin series I'm glad someone brought this up as the 1962 and 1958 editions were on endless rotation in my parents car (yes, I remember 8 tracks) and I could practically recite all the patter and commercials by the time I was 8. Yet, when I stumbled upon the cd version of 1962, it seemed wrong. First, I am pretty sure that at least one song - "I Know", by Barbara George - was not on the original and it's definitely missing one song that was on the original - Little Eva's "The Locomotion". The latter is made more glaring by it's inclusion in the liner notes. The cd version has Don & Juan's "What's Your Name" which I don't recall being on the 8 track version but it could just be the passing of years. Also, as I listen while I type, I realize that "You'll Lose A Good Thing" is an edit. Oh, and I just remembered the other missing song: "Johnny Angel". This song and The Locomotion share a Colpix/Dimension label so perhaps they could not license the tracks. I'm pretty sure that "Goodbye Cruel World" was on the original issue as well, furthering that connection. Does anyone have the original version/track list of this comp? Also, I am positive that The Weird Beard's "high in the Dallas Sky" routine is not only pared, but also split into two sections and repositioned. It was originally used as an intro for "Soldier Boy" by The Shirelles ("let me get my kicks from these groovy chicks"). On the cd version, the end of the routine still introduces "Soldier Boy" but the first few lines show up later in the program prior to "Sealed With A Kiss". And the attempt to take over. On a positive note, my favorite part, The Morris the Motorcycle Rider routine, is intact and, given that the cd re-issues were on K-tel, at least the songs weren't re-recorded versions. The L&M cigarettes and Mennen Skin Bracer commercials seem to be intact as well as the attempt to bring KIXL through KLIF (THIS IS NOT ORSON WELLES). Regarding 1958 edition, I have very little recall as it's been at least 30 years since I heard it but I'm sure it would all come back if played for me. One question remains after all these years, though: who the hell was Pookie Snackenberg? pres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:43:04 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: DC5 HOF? Les, Their entire output was released on bootleg about four years ago, but is no longer available. That Hollwood CD is notorious for only having three songs out of 50 in stereo. The last three. There are many songs which were mono on that CD that were released in stereo on the bootlegs. I much prefer the early his in stereo as opposed to mono. And it is not electronically reprocessed, it is discrete stereo. Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 03:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Huss Subject: Re: Teddy Vann discography Mick Patrick wrote: > Zizz? Never heard of that label! Was it another Jubilee subsidiary > like Blaine? Any chance of hearing "Let's Shindig" @ musica? > Talking of Teddy Vann . . . I've never seen a picture of him. Does > anyone have one? Don't think it was a Jubilee subsidiary. More likely a cupboard- under-the-stairs kind of operation and a complete one-off. The label lists an address and a New York telephone number, if I remember correctly. I'll pull it out. When I find it, I'll try to post it to musica; if I don't succeed, I can send you an mp3 off-list (and you can pass it on). It's a great tune, I like it better than 'The Jet Set'. As for a pic of Mr. Vann, there's a great one on the back of the Johnny Thunder album. Very cool looking dude! Well, he would be, wouldn't he? Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: David Gofstein Subject: Re: Carole King and the Monkees Mick Patrick wrote: > Hey, hey . . . Question: How many Carole King compositions > did the Monkees record? Don't worry, I don't need an answer, > because I already know it. How do I know? Well, there wasn't > a sight for me to do at work this afternoon, so I spent most > of the time leafing through Andrew Sandoval's new book "The > Monkees: The Day-By-Day Story Of The 60s TV Pop Sensation". > What this tome can't tell you about the Monkees ain't worth > knowing. Although it's not long out, copies are going for a > fiver on Amazon. A bargain, or what? Find more details here: > and here: Andrew Sandoval: > Mick, glad you found some good info in my book - there is lots > to spare. I've always found it funny that I have been a > Spectropop member for years and no one has ever asked me a > single question about such facts. Never mind, I am here because > of my friend Page and in fact now have a cat named after our > late founder. I saved him from an animal shelter, and take > great pleasure in having a furry friend to keep the name of > Page Porrazo alive. Hi Andrew: Just a quick note to tell you just how much I LOVED the book!! It is an ASTONISHING work of research and was absolutely fascinating from cover to cover. I've been a Monkees fan since the series was new and I was a kid in grade school but there was still an amazing amount of new info to my long since Monkee saturated brain! Great work my fellow listmate... Thank you for many hours of involving reading, dave gofstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 04:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Huss Subject: Shindig! Speaking of Shindig... Has anyone ever compiled a list of songs with 'Shindig' in the title? Off the top of my head, I can think of some great ones: The Kittens, 'Shindig' (ABC-Paramount); Dorothy Berry, 'Shindig City' (Planetary), Freddy Williams & the Shindigs, 'Let's Do The Shindig' (Zizz); Sidney Barnes, 'Talkin' 'Bout A Shindig' (Blues Tone); Danny Hutton, 'Monster Shindig' (HBR) - there must be many more... Most likely this has been done already; if not, it seems like a Spectropop task! It would a great CD, too... Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:03:33 -0400 From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Night Train To Nashville Thanks to the post from Willie C I drove over 300 miles yeasterday and spent the day in Nashville doing a little record buyiong and attending the 3 PM concert at the Country Music Hall Of Fame celebrating the release of "Night Train To Nashville Part 2" on Lost Highway Records. The concert at Ford Theatre was standing room only and featuring some of the surviving Original Nashville Rhythm and Blues artists will perform songs featured on Vol 1 and Vol 2. The exhibit will continue through December 31, 2005. Lots of stuff to learn. Bobby Hebb was there and performed his hit Sunny. They have a picture in the exhibit of young Bobby Hebb appearing on the Grand Old Opry with Roy Acuff's Smokey Mountain Boys. Theat's apparently where Bobby got his start, as a member of the Smokey Mountain Boys. In retrospect, Acuff was probably the only country performer that was big enough to have gotten away with adding a black young man to his show in those days. Here is the link to the exhibit information: If you can't make it to the exhibit, there was a book prepared of the whole exhibit (except the songs) titled, Night Train To Nashville: Music City Rhythm & Blues 1945-1970 Souvenir Exhibition Book and it can be purchased at this link: Great show and great exhibit. Paul Urbahns Radcliff, Ky. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 05:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Huss Subject: Re: Cruisin series Pres wrote: > Does anyone have the original version/track list of this comp? Here's the track listing. As you can see, your memory is spot-on! CRUISIN' 1962 (Increase 2007, 1970) side one KLIF News Headlines Peppermint Twist -Joey Dee Soldier Boy - The Shirelles KLIF Summer Spectacular I Need Your Lovin' - Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford This Knight's Bullseye Hey Baby- Bruce Channel KLIF Master Control Let Me In - Sensations Skyland Chrysler Commercial Johnny Angel - Shelley Fabares KLIF Station I.D. side two Duke of Earl - Gene Chandler You'll Lose A Good Thing - Barabra Lynn Gillette Commercial The Wanderer - Dion KLIF E.S.P. Promo Goodbye Cruel World - James Darren Flying High in the Dallas Sky Sealed With A Kiss - Brian Hyland KLIF D.J. Trading Stamp Promo' Locomotion [sic] - Little Eva And, for just one more cruise down memory lane, here are the the 1958 tracks... CRUISIN' 1958 (Increase 2003, 1970) side one Jack Carney Theme At The Hop - Danny & the Juniors WIL Back To School Contest Tequila - The Champs 1958 Mercury Commercial Book Of Love - The Monotones WIL Summertime Jingle Rock And Roll Music - Chuck Berry Pookie Snackenberg Button Bit KIsses Sweeter Than Wine - Jimmie Rodgers WIL College of Musical Knowledge Contest Short Shorts - Royal Teens WIl Station I.D. side two Chantilly Lace - Big Bopper Gillette Commercial Do You Wanna Dance - Bobby Freeman Old Spice Commercial Rockin' Robin - Bobby Day WIL Jingle Get A Job - The Silhouettes Gary Owns Show Plug Ten Commandments Of Love - Harvey & the Moonglows 1958 Chevrolet Commercial Rebel Rouser - Duane Eddy Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:37:04 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Increase Records - Cruisin' Series Paul Urbahns wrote: > I recall being very disappointed with what I think was a later > re-release of the series, in the same sleeves and with similar > track listings, but with some tracks missing (or with inferior > commercials) and poorer sound. Anyone remember this? I remember because compleatist that I am I had only gotten the 1961 Arnie Ginsburg one in '72 or so due to being from Boston and growing up with the Woo Woo. However after going into radio broadcasting in the mid 7T's, I finally decided by about '80 to get the whole set. I first got Johnny Holiday. Bingo! True to form. Had found an original copy. They were sill out there, surmised I. But when I got the LA guy (forget his name at the moment, Dick Biondi maybe?) I heard it in stereo and it definitely had the aural earmarks of a phony. We all have good ears here. You know what I'm sayin'...So yes, I'm with you on that one Paul. The later ones were NFG. Pres wrote: > Mennen Skin Bracer commercials Cools rather than burns.... Hans Huss wrote: > Here's the track listing. As you can see, your memory is spot-on! Yeah, but ask him what he had for dinner yesterday. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:02:48 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Cruisin' series Pres a écrit: > Regarding 1958 edition, I have very little recall as it's been > at least 30 years since I heard it but I'm sure it would all > come back if played for me. One question remains after all > these years, though: who the hell was Pookie Snackenberg? I just hate it when someone reminds me that it's been 30 years already. I have the whole series which I bought at the time and have never stopped loving it. I won't give you the track listing since it's been posted already. I remember listening to the CD reissues once and wondering what had happened to this great series. Well, it's clear that if you really want to enjoy it go for the original vinyls. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:56:18 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Motorpsycho nightmare Chris Ponti wrote: > Kurt, I know from Nora Guthrie and the family in general that Bob > did visit Woody. The other bit of info in the docu that I DO feel > was portrayed over-dramatically, (and at the time, fictionally), > was the motorcycle accident. Yes, but toward a vital purpose: to put the distance between himself and the demands and intrusions of superstardom that he had come to crave by then. A Freudian would argue that he subconsciously brought the accident on himself in order to effect that end, whereas a cynic (such as myself) would say that he merely exploited an unfortunate event to create a desired end. I didn't think the accident was overemphasized in the documentary, though. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:16:22 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Interview with Ron Dante Has this been mentioned yet? If not, check out: Even if it has been mentioned, and you haven't checked it out, here's another chance! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:18:28 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: The hidden faces Hans Huss wrote: > As for a pic of (Teddy) Vann, there's a great one on the back of > the Johnny Thunder album. Very cool looking dude! Well, he would > be, wouldn't he? Does anyone have the gumption to join me in a pet project I've had in mind for a while: to collect a photographic database of behind- the-scenes personnel, in other words those for whom photos are few and far between? I haven't given much thought to what form such a project would take, but if we could rally the troops here to look around through their collections, and provide some simple scans of what they find, we could build up a pretty cool set with a minimum of effort. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- SPECTROPOP features: End

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