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Spectropop - Digest Number 2043

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Desdemona
           From: Harvey Williams 
      2. "Those Were The Days"
           From: Dave Heasman 
      3. Re: John Carter song - Midnight Girl
           From: Roberto Lanterna 
      4. Songwriting / Production Question
           From: Dave O'Gara 
      5. "It's My Party"
           From: Matt Spero 
      6. Re: Pleasure Seekers
           From: Harvey Williams 
      7. The original "It's My Party"
           From: Mick Patrick 
      8. Allen Toussaint
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      9. Re: Carpenters - Richard lead vocals
           From: Anthony Parsons 
     10. September Updates
           From: Mike Dugo 
     11. Alan Lorber, etc
           From: Country Paul 
     12. Jimmy Clanton, etc
           From: Country Paul 
     13. The Models, etc
           From: Country Paul 
     14. Ernie Johnson, R.I.P.
           From: Mick Patrick 
     15. Re: Who played what on the Carpenters discs
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     16. On Spoons
           From: Steve Harvey 
     17. One version of US radio/music history
           From: Country Paul 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:14:53 +0100 From: Harvey Williams Subject: Re: Desdemona Phil M asked: > Is the Searchers' song "Desdemona" (RCA, 1971 in US) a cover of > the T. Rex song of that name, or a different song altogether? If > the former, is it available anywhere? Hi Phil. Desdemona was actually a John's Children number, though written by Bolan of course (on reflection, did T Rex ever record a version? Maybe they did...). As for the Searchers song of the same title, it's a different song entirely; a very different song in fact... If you're still interested, it's available on "Second Take", a Beat Goes On reissue from a couple of years back, and on Amazon here: harveyw -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:03:54 +0100 From: Dave Heasman Subject: "Those Were The Days" Joop: > Mary Hopkin lends a hand on the title-track of "Those were the > days" by Dolly Parton as she is probably most associated with that > song. But the origins of it lie in Russia where it is performed in > 1926 by Alexander Vertinsky with it's original title "DAROGAI DLI > MAYOU": Goodness, is there *nothing* Joop isn't on top of. John Peel found this track, or one like it, in the BBC archives, and played it several times. Who wrote TWTD? How did he or she or they get to hear this Russian song? Dave, frozen on the steppes, they don't call it London N10 for nothing. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Roberto Lanterna Subject: Re: John Carter song - Midnight Girl Mark Frumento wrote: > Sadly (Paul) Craig's version (of) "Midnight Girl" isn't all that > good either. Martin Roberts: > Isn't all that good?!!! This is what Jeffrey Glen had to say about > the track: Now this is a great record! Catchy song and excellent > mid-60's U.K. arrangement and production, well performed. Nice use > of bells and horns, and Craig's double-tracked voice is perfect for > this type of song. How could this have been not a hit? I agree with you Martin, but maybe Mark Frumento doesn't rate it very much because he has John Carter's original demo, and he says it's much better, in a kind of P. F. Sloan-y way. Ciao, Roberto -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:11:16 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Songwriting / Production Question If you'd like to reply this this post, please do so off-list. As one who loves the music of the Spectropop era but not being a musician, through the years there have been several songs that have, to me, a fascinating production element: The song comes to a sudden and often dramatic end, and then after a pause, begins again. Bernadette by the 4 Tops is one of example of this technique and of course there are so many more; (feel free to mention your favorites in a reply). My question is who comes up with this? The songwriter? The Producer? Both? Or does it sometimes happen by chance? I'd be curious to hear from you musicians and producers on this topic and maybe some specific stories on how this "pause" came to be in a given production. I love the break in songs like She's the One by the Chartbusters and others but always wondered why it was included. As always, thanks in advance for your answers. Dave 0' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:57:14 EDT From: Matt Spero Subject: "It's My Party" On yesterday's Biography show it was pointed out that Lesley Gore had recorded It's My Party within days of a version by The Crystals produced by Phil Spector. Does anyone have this version? I am really curious to hear it. If you have it please post it to musica. Thanks. Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:11:58 +0100 From: Harvey Williams Subject: Re: Pleasure Seekers As requested, The Pleasure Seekers' "If You Climb On The Tiger's Back" is now playing in Musica. Have fun, HarveyW -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:00:06 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: The original "It's My Party" Matt Spero: > On yesterday's Biography show it was pointed out that Lesley Gore > had recorded It's My Party within days of a version by The Crystals > produced by Phil Spector. Does anyone have this version? I am > really curious to hear it. If you have it please post it to musica. > Thanks. I'd love to hear it too, but I'm not holding my breath. In the meantime, I put together an article about the origins of the song "It's My Party" for Sheila at Cha Cha Charming a while back, which you might care to give the once over. Find it here: Who knows, maybe Joop will have something extra to add. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:28:54 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Allen Toussaint Previously: > was the Toussaint song "Wanted $10,000 Reward" ever released. If > so by who on what? I guess everyone knows that his mother was Naomi Neville and that he wrote under her name as well--right? Di la, Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:24:23 -0500 From: Anthony Parsons Subject: Re: Carpenters - Richard lead vocals Clark Besch: > the B side to "Close to You", "I Kept on Loving You" had the unique > distinction of having Richard as the singer. It was a great song > and version and made me surprised he did not do more vocals. Had > "Close to You" not been a mega-monster, would he have sung more?? Probably not, as Karen far surpassed Richard as a soloist and he darn well knew it. Richard was quite capable of hitting the notes, as all those gorgeous multi-track backgrounds prove, but his voice really doesn't have the depth or vibrato required for a "hit single". My favorite Richard lead vocal is the happy, upbeat and a bit difficult to sing "Saturday", which was also the B-side of one of their singles. If I Were A Carpenter, I'd let Karen sing the leads too! Antone -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Dugo Subject: September Updates The September updates to are now online. This go 'round we feature interviews with Larry Deatherage of the Nomads ("Thoughts of a Madman"), Carl Adams and Steve Brown of Iowa's Thunderbirds, and Scott Jones of the Daze of the Week (and the Grotesque Mommies) both of "One Night Stand" fame. We've also raided our archives and reprinted Zack Bocelle's exhausitive biography of his days in the Redcoats and the Sidekicks ("Fifi The Flea" LP). Check them out at Mike Dugo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:29:38 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Alan Lorber, etc Phil X Milstein Re: some fun links mentioned back on August 10th: > Sonny Bono Salton Sea National Wildlife Refuge: > Been there! Hot, desolate, fascinating. An ecological conundrum, manmade, now essential to nature, but drying up. (I leave you to make any connections to Sonny from all of that....) Mick Patrick asked: > How great to see someone mention Alan Lorber, one of my favourite > arrangers. You seem to know a lot about him. By any chance, do you > have a complete list of the records he arranged? JB added: > Look for Susan Rafey on Verve from '66 doing a fuzz-filled easy > rendition of "The Big Hurt" Wow! I don't have a list, but he did a lot of the MGM-and-related-companies product int he mid-60s, including some of the Bosstown Sound material. ACJ wrote: > A long time ago, I may (or may not) have told this group about my > "U.P.Grooves!" If I didn't, it's an attempt to chronicle every > pre-1987 commercially-released record with a connection to the > Upper Peninsula, or U.P., of Michigan.... > Must admit, I'd only heard of Cub (ne Mike) Koda. Cool site; hope you're having research success. Me earlier: > ...[A] veritable doo-wop orgy takes place every Labor Day weekend > at the Parsippany [NJ] Hilton at Lead East ( ), > "The world's biggest hot rod party." Local doo-wop groups aplenty, > plus bigger names with many of the original members (this year the > recently-disappointing Kenny Vance & The Planotones.... I heard the tail end of something new by them on our local oldies outlet, WMTR: The 30 seconds I heard was not disappointing at all, raising my expectations slightly. Ivor Lyttle: > Camillo (Camille Jean-Nicolas Felgen) passed away on July 16th > this year in his native Luxembourg at the age of 84....He was > probably best known in Germany as their presenter of the daft > international game show "Jeux Sans Frontier" ("Spaß ohne Grenzen" > or "It's A Knockout" in England).... I never had heard of it until now. (My guess is that most Americans who bought that record never did, either.) Thank you; now the Peter Gabriel song takes on additional layers of meaning! And if I haven't done so already, thanks to everyone who commented re: "Oh Why"/"Sag Warum" on- and off-list. Me, earlier: > Who was Sandy Stewart? Gary Myers: > She was Sandra Galitz (b: 7/10/37; Philadelphia) - per Whitburn: > regular on Eddie Fisher and Perry Como shows. No other chart > action besides MCB. Interesting - one hit at age 27 (pretty late to get started for that era), then - gone! Thanks for the info. Country Paul (back to being 2 weeks behind, for those keeping score*) (*and if you are, stop - you've got better things to do!) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:58:41 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Jimmy Clanton, etc Artie Wayne: > ... Sandy Stewart ... also co-starred, opposite Jimmy Clanton, in > Alan Freeds' "Go Jimmy, Go !" in 1959. She used to sneak me in > backstage when she appeared at Alan Freeds' live Rock n' Roll", > where she promoted the movie. Very cool! Thanks, Artie. And since you mentioned him, Jimmy Clanton would be an interesting topic of discussion. I have a CD by him revealing him to be a very fine Louisiana swamp rocker. Perhaps if he'd been less good-looking (and/or not promoted as a teen idol) he'd get a little more respect in that area. Phil X Milstein, Subject: Link and Archie take a Rollercoaster ride (hope this hasn't been discussed already): > Anyone know anything about a Link Wray & The Ray Men CD on > Rollercoaster titled "They're Outta Here, Says Archie"? The cover > (!) notes say it's from tapes of an unreleased LP for Cadence. No clue to the quality of the album, but as "Rumble" was a large hit, it would have been a surprise Archie Bleyer hadn't recorded an album of them. (While much of their output was on Swan, Mick, "Rumble" was a Cadence original - and a very unusual sound for that much-poppier label.) That quotation construct was common to all early Cadence albums, as I remember. Joe Nelson's comment: > Cadence owner Archie Bleyer sometimes named albums after comments he > made about the artists: an Everly Brothers LP showing Phil and Don > on motorcycles was titled "'They're Off And Rolling,' says Archie". > My favorite in this genre was Andy Williams' "'He's All Male And > Catnip to Quail,' says Archie". You don't want to see the cover. Amen re: Williams. For the Chordettes album, they're pictured in his convertible (he's driving, back to camera), and the quote is, "'They're riding high,' says Archie." (And you thought Phil Spector had a huge ego!!!!!) Anyone know if there were others besides these? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:18:26 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: The Models, etc Frank J: > Btw, are there any photos of "The Models", eg promo shots out there > in Spectroland? Country Paul: > There was a picture sleeve for the 45. Frank again: > Please upload to the S'pop Photos section! Not sure I still have it, but I am sure I don't have a scanner. Anyone else? T. D. Bell: > Is the Fender "dripping" sound on Rome and Paris' version of > "Because of You"? I don't know, and have nothing really to add to this except that it's very cool that you know this fine 45. So, who were Rome and Paris? Anyone? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:57:13 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Ernie Johnson, R.I.P. Ernie Johnson who, with Eddie Campbell, comprised the soul duo Eddie & Ernie, died on 20 August, the victim of a hit-and-run incident in his home town of Phoenix, Arizona. Find an obituary here: R.I.P. Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:20:28 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: Who played what on the Carpenters discs Steve Harvey: > Now we know about the guitar solo, but how many know that Karen was > the bassist on several cuts on their first album, Offering? Through > that website Richard answered my question as to what type of bass (a > knockoff of Macca's Hofner which Joe Olson gave her when they were > recording the Magic Lamp sides in his garage). He also mentioned > hearing the Wildweeds' "And When She Smiles" on the radio in the > early 70s while traveling to gigs. I always thought it was because > they both came from the same state. Steve, I don't want to be a know-it-all, but I guess you mean Joe Osborn. Strange, I can't remember any reference of Karen playing bass. I thought she only played drums on "Offering". In the box-set Joe Osborn is mentioned as bassplayer on the "Offering" tracks. Now, you know that Karen is quite a drummer, when you've seen her playing on a TV show prior to the Carpenters (as shown on the Carpenters DVD I mentioned in an earlier post) that she was a bassist too, would be too cool to be true. Frank Jastfelder -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: On Spoons Norm D wrote: > The recent postings about John Sebastian, and bands reviving > themselves without their identified heads (Love, Lovin' Spoonful, > etc.), has reminded me of a recent radio interview I heard with > Dennis Locorriere (ex-Dr. Hook). He revealed that he had been > approached to be the lead singer in a revived Lovin' Spoonful. He > declined because "I don't even wanna sing my own songs anymore. So > why should I sing theirs?". There's a man of principle for you. > (Great voice too! Catch him live. He *does* do his old songs, by > the way.) I remember meeting the Spoons in the 90s and talking to Joe Butler. He said, "I tried everything short of putting on a blonde wig, a dress and seducing John to try get him to join the band again, but it didn't work". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:45:59 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: One version of US radio/music history Passed along from my WBRU discussion group: "Legendary" radio audio collector Ken R is releasing the entire 1981 radio documentary series "The History of Rock n Roll." Produced and hosted by Bill Drake, "The History of Rock n Roll" was heard on CKLW, KHJ, KFRC, WLS and most of the other heritage AM rock stations of the era. The audio demo is at . $799 for all 36 Cd's - and you get Free FedEx Shipping! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! End

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