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Spectropop - Digest Number 2023

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song
           From: Brent Cash 
      2. Re: Jigsaw
           From: Mike Edwards 
      3. Re: That Thing You Do 45
           From: Matt Spero 
      4. Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      5. John Carter; Brenda Lee
           From: Mike Edwards 
      6. Re: "Dark End Of The Street"
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      7. Re: Larry Weiss songs
           From: Clark Besch 
      8. Re: Lesley Duncan sings Carter-Lewis?
           From: Mark Frumento 
      9. Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
           From: Robert Pingel 
     10. Looking For An Anne Murray Song, Please...
           From: Tracy Pernell 
     11. Re: Jigsaw
           From: Clark Besch 
     12. Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
           From: Rodney Rawlings 
     13. Barbara Mills sings Carter-Lewis?
           From: Will Stos 
     14. Re: Anne Murray song
           From: Robert Pingel 
     15. Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
           From: Alan Iris 
     16. True Love Never Runs Smooth
           From: Bill 
     17. Baby Washington sings Larry Weiss
           From: Mick Patrick 
     18. Valli
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     19. Motown mixes
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     20. Johnny Brantley / Music World label
           From: Hans Huss 
     21. John Sebastian songs
           From: Mike Edwards 
     22. Re: Jigsaw
           From: John Berg 
     23. Choicy Beggar
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     24. "Call Me"
           From: Mike Bennidict 

Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:11:55 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song Martin Roberts wrote: > I've just spotted another Artie Wayne composition. "The Merry Go- > Round Is Slowing You Down," written with Ed Silvers, arranged by > Gene Page and sung by Joey Paige on Philips 40386. My 45 is not in > the best of condition but if Artie has a story for us (!) and there's > room I'll play it to musica. This was also recorded by an outfit known as The Surprise Package, on Columbia (4-44292), arranged by Al Capps, produced by Jerry Fuller. Someone inscribed "9-28-67" on the label as well, though not credited. I also vote for a story, Artie! Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:42:20 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Jigsaw Dave Monroe writes: > Jigsaw's "One Way Street," now THAT'S genius. John Berg: > Prior to their chart success via "Sky High", Jigsaw had released a > couple of late '60s LPs that are in demand among collectors of > "pop-psike" and even "progressive" rock from that era. Howard Earnshaw: > Mike, was this the same Jigsaw who had a 'club' hit in the UK with > 'One Way Street'? Howard, I can recall only two songs by Jigsaw, "Sky High" and the similarly styled follow-up, "Love Fire" but the above members agree that Jigsaw did record "One Way Street". The big book shows that Jigsaw apparently released "One Way Street" twice in the UK in the late 60s: MGM 1410 – "One Way Street"/"Then I Found You" (1968) Philips 6006112 - "One Way Street"/"Confucius Confusion" (1970) Given the enthusiasm in the above messages, I would love to see "One Way Street" on musica. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:13:36 EDT From: Matt Spero Subject: Re: That Thing You Do 45 Just to let you know. . . there are real 45s of That Thing You Do. I have two of them. they were done as a promo to go with the press kit. The labels you scaned are slightly different than the props. and the 45 is in STEREO. Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:57:40 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica Nick Archer wrote: > I've played "Rhinestone Cowboy" by Larry Weiss to musica. Thanks so much for that great treat, Nick! There's several spots in Weiss's version of "Rhinestone Cowboy" that sound to me like he was aiming the song toward Neil Diamond. Then again, I've never heard any of his other vocals, so maybe he always sounded like that. Dig, --Phil M. -- new at Probe: "Ernie T., phone home" i.e., huge batch of more weirdities -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:20:31 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: John Carter; Brenda Lee Lyn Nuttall writes: > Some songs by John Carter (the tip of the iceberg, I guess): John > Carter & Ken Lewis: Funny How Love Can Be (Ivy League 1965)…etc There's also Brenda Lee's "Is It True", although MCA's "Brenda Lee Anthology" double CD from 1991 credits the track to John Lewis and Mickey Most. Mickey Most produced it in London in 1964 with Jimmy Page on guitar. I believe "Is It True" is on the upcoming Rhino girl group boxed set. A good song but to avoid the duplication I would have preferred that Rhino included "Speak To Me Pretty", "Here Comes That Feeling" and/ or "It Started All Over Again"; all from 1962. These were top-20 UK hits that were essentially b-sides in the US. They all have good "girl group" vibes and I don't think they've been issued on CD yet although I'd love to be corrected on this. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:47:46 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: "Dark End Of The Street" Dave Heasman wrote: > The first ever version I heard was the Burritos'. Obviously a great > song, but Parsons loaded it with self-pity rather than Carr's despair. > I prefer Milton's version because it adds intelligence - "this is how > the world is, full of people meeting in secret, I guess we'll deal > with it". I haven't heard Clarence Carter's version; I think he could > do a credible personal job of it. By sheer coincidence, just after reading the most recent postings on "Dark End Of The Street," I opened up a recent online purchase of Lee Moses' version of same, on the Atlanta-based Gates label. It turns out to be closely patterned after Clarence Carter's, including the remarkable rap about mosquito husbandry. Poor Spooner Oldham, always listed at the ass-end of the great Penn-Oldham songwriting team, is inadvertently (I assume) listed as "Norman" on Moses' version. That notwithstanding, hear the track now at Probe. The other side of Moses' "Dark End" is a remake of his monumental "Bad Girl," here titled "She's A Bad Girl." The original, a two-parter on Musicor from '67, credits the song to Moses alone. For "She's A Bad Girl," the name Frears has been added to the credit. Anyone know who that might be? Also, both versions are produced by Johnny Brantley -- the name seems familiar, but I can't quite place it. Can anyone help with a few bio notes, and/or credits for him? Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:28:00 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Larry Weiss songs Joop wrote: > Some other Larry Weiss-compositions I discovered: -"Mr Wishing Well" > (co-composed with Lockie Edwards Jr) recorded by Nat King Cole in > 1963. Altho "Mr. Wishing Well" was B side to his incredible "That Sunday, That Summer", I always like this side too and it also got a lot of airplay when it was out. It was a two sided top 10 hit on KOMA Oklahoma City when my family visited the station in October, 1963 and Chuck Dann gave us a tour of the station. He gave each of us four brothers a survey hit and autographed the 45s. Mine happened to be this 45 and that has made the songs on the 45 that much more special to me. I had no idea it was a Larry Weiss song! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:39:38 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Lesley Duncan sings Carter-Lewis? Mick Patrick wrote about "Thank You Boy": > Cool track. I prefer it to the released version too. But who is it > singing, any idea? I was expecting it to be Val McKenna, but I can't > make up my mind if it's her, Dana G or some other gal. Someone suggested that it's Lesley Duncan which is plausible since she, like Val McKenna, worked frequently with Carter-Lewis. Problem for me is that I'm so used to Duncan's folk voice that I can't really hear it. John Carter thinks it could be any of the above. Mark F. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pingel Subject: Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry" Joop wrote: > Lenny Welch's version of "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry" hit the > US charts in june 1965,. It was released may 1965 on the Kapp label > (Kapp 662). B-side: "Time after time". Ray Pollard's version was > also released May 1965. His was on United Artists 856. B-side: "My > girl and I". So I can't decide which was the original version. Larry says: > "...I was working for Kapp records at the time, and was in the > studio when Tom Catalano produced the record on was also > my idea to to Time After arrangements on both...I don't > remember which was the original...though I suspect ours was as I > was the writer..." I always thought that Pollard did Larry Weiss's "Darling Take Me Back, I'm Sorry" first because an excellent prior recording with the Wanderers on United Artists, ("After He Breaks Your Heart") was also written by Laurence Weiss. Pollard sounds like he was born to sing Laurence Weiss compositions. There's also some evidence to indicate that Pollard's version of "Darling...", United Artists 856, was in April of 1965. "Voodoo Woman", United Artists 862, entered the Billboard charts on 5/1/65 which at least suggests an April release for the Pollard record. By the way, where does one go to find out the month and the year of any songs release? Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:50:18 -0000 From: Tracy Pernell Subject: Looking For An Anne Murray Song, Please... If any of you Spectropoppers have a copy of Anne Murray's LOVE SONG CD, featuring the cut "Send A Little Love My Way", would you please let me know. It was used in the movie "Oklahoma Crude", and was A Top Five Adult Contemporary Hit, but never cracked the pop Top 40. I can't find this anywhere in Nashville or Atlanta, so if you can help me out, I would appreciate it greatly! The song was written by Burt Bacharach ahd Hal David, by the way... Yours in Spectropoppable Sound, Tracy Pernell Nashville -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:20:49 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Jigsaw Joop wrote: > And I own the 1975 album "Jigsaw" on US label Chelsea (CHL 509), > which is a sort of best of from two UK albums from 1974 and 1975: > "I've seen the film, I've read the book" and "Sky high". Don't ask me to find and post the track to Musica, as my video stuff is in disarray at the moment, but there is a video for "Sky High" which as a completely different recording of the song by the group. It was quite an interesting version as I remember it in case you want to hunt it down. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:57:59 -0000 From: Rodney Rawlings Subject: Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica That's a fantastic version. I think I like it better than Glen Campbell's. My liking of the song has increased over the years, but for a while I was put off by the verse's resemblance to "Sloop John B"--anyone else notice that? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:49:33 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Barbara Mills sings Carter-Lewis? Re "Thank You Boy" @ musica: I don't know is this is way off base, but that voice does seem a little familiar. I was just listening to Where the Girls Are Vol. 6 and thought it sounds a bit like Barbara Mills (the track on that collection was "Make It Last (Take Your Time)." A possibility? Or was this definitely recorded in England? Will Stos : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pingel Subject: Re: Anne Murray song Tracy Pernell on Anne Murray's "Send A Little Love My Way": > The song was written by Burt Bacharach ahd Hal David, by the way... Actually, the song was written by Hal David and Henry Mancini. Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Iris Subject: Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry" Seems to be that Alan Lorber was the arranger for Lenny Welch's "Darling Take Me Back" and "Time After Time". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:04 -0700 From: Bill Subject: True Love Never Runs Smooth Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of Bobby Vee's version of the Gene Pitney song called "True Love Never Runs Smooth"? It was released in the early 60's as a single and was backed by "Hey Little Girl" I will pay for it. Just want to hear his version of a great Gene Pitney song. Bobby has done well on other folks songs so I am sure he will have done well on this one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:52:45 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Baby Washington sings Larry Weiss Talking about the songs of Larry Weiss . . . One of the best exponents of his compositions was the one and only Justine "Baby" Washington, top '60s soul siren. Hear three of the beauties - "There He Is", "Leave Me Alone" and "No Time For Pity" - on Baby's "The Sue Singles" CD. See more info and a complete track list at this URL: Maybe Nick could ask Larry if he ever attended any of Baby's sessions, or met Juggy Murray of Sue Records. It would be good to learn a little about Larry's co-writer, Lockie Edwards Jr, too. Thanks for "Rhinestone Cowboy", a treat to hear. How about another track from that album please, when there's room at musica. Hey la, Mick Patrick PS: Justine Washington began her career in the Hearts. She was the youngest member of the group, hence the nickname "Baby" - but you all knew that. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 18 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:48:58 -0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Valli Ed McGee wrote: > I came across this link when searching for Shirelles info on > Google. I don't know how complete the discography is, but it seems > pretty comprehensive, especially since it includes non-Scepter > releases and Shirley Alston solo sides: > Thanks for passing that along, Ed -- real interesting stuff. Can anyone enlighten me about the "Valli" record listed there? It sounds to me like the original "Soldier Boy" with an "answer" lyric thrown thoughtlessly on top, but the crudeness is attractive, and I like the sound of "Valli"'s voice. Was she a member of the group; one of Florence's daughters; or some kid she found wandering around the neighborhood? Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 19 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:26:02 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Motown mixes Artie Wayne wrote: > The endless remixing and meticulous mastering was the most important > and the most frustrating part of the recording process. I remember > sitting with Iris Gordy, who was head of quality control and > listening to dozens of mixes of ten totally different tracks of > Stevie Wonders production of "Let's get Serious" by Jermaine > Jackson. That is fascinating to me, Artie, although for a reason in addition to the one you intended! I've always wondered whether Berry's sisters really worked at Motown, or were simply, for whatever reasons, treated to lucrative no-show jobs. Then again, Berry was never exactly known for throwing away money where he didn't have to! > I asked Iris if this many versions were unusual? she laughed and > said, "Sometimes there are hundreds!" Amazing that, in the days before studios had a gazillion processing choices and automated fader-riding, the mixdown engineers could still manage to pump out that many alternate versions. I suppose it goes to show, given the virtually infinite amount of choices available for each recording, how much of an alchemical art it can be to find the "perfect" mixing combination. Thanks for yet another insightful story, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 20 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Huss Subject: Johnny Brantley / Music World label Phil X Milstein wrote: > [...] Johnny Brantley -- the name seems familiar, but I can't quite > place it. Can anyone help with a few bio notes, and/or credits for > him? Phil, Curious coincidence, for some time now I've been meaning to ask the list about the New York label, Music World, which released some of Johnny Brantley's "Vidalia" productions. Working from 1650 Broadway, they released some wonderful stuff on artists like the Persians, Jimmy & Wayne, the Edwards Brothers, the Adventurers and others in the early to mid sixties. Soulful and with a pop sensibility! Does anyone know anything about the company? The label reads "distributed by Antigua Productions, Inc., N.Y.C.", if that's any help. As for Mr. Brantley, he produced some great records. Here's a few: Billy Frazier - Oh Baby (Look At Me)/Is That Right - Music World 111 Sam Williams - You Tempt Me/I Can't Stand The Pain - Music World 104 Sam Williams - Love Slipped Through My Fingers/Let's Talk It Over - Tower 367 Nate Evans - Why Is It Taking So Long/I'm Gonna Be Good - Atlantic 2466 Herman Hitson - Yes You Did/Better To Have Loved - Minit 32072 Also, It seems Mr. Brantley was involved in releasing some "fake" Jimi Hendrix tracks. A long and complicated story may be found at this link: Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 21 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:08:31 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: John Sebastian songs Artie Wayne writes > Has anybody noticed that were in the middle of a John Sebastian > revival? ..I'm referring to the four national commercials, > currently running, that are using his songs, "Do you Believe in > Magic", "Did You Ever Have to Make Up Your Mind", "Welcome Back" > and "What a Day for a Daydream". They are selling clothing, soft > drinks, insurance, and snack food cakes...and every time I hear a > spot I have to smile. There is such a dearth of songs you can sing > along to on radio and tv, Johns songs are a welcome relief. C Ponti: > It is a just a moment when this music seems universal for > commercial use. The Rascals had a similar moment a few years back. > Some music dates better than other music. One person who understands the importance of an uplifting tune is musician and former President, Bill Clinton. Remember how Christine McVie/Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" thundered from all those election night dances in Washington? Later on, of course, we had Al Gore and John Kerry and no big uplifting tunes. Result – they're not around any more. Love him or hate him, nobody gets it like Bill Clinton and maybe he'll be back….in a supporting role. I'm assuming Mr. Ponti's referring to the Rascals' "Groovin'" and "It's A Beautiful Morning", which when added to the John Sebastian songs Artie references, make a superb catalog for anyone wanting to put a sunny, positive and uplifting background behind a product pitch. Such songs also form the bedrock of the sunshine pop genre much beloved by S'pop members. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 22 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:45:30 -0700 From: John Berg Subject: Re: Jigsaw Joop: > Here's a good link with a story told by Des: > > And here's another link: > As will be found from a look at the two most helpful links provided by Joop above, the early Jigsaw material was very much in tune with the "psychedelic '60s", albeit the very end of that particular journey when it was morphing into all sorts of genres such as "progressive" (on the one hand) and "pub rock" and "roots" music (in another direction) and straight-ahead radio-friendly pop-shlock in the case of the "Sky High" hit the band enjoyed before its inevitable fade into memory. Anyone who is able to hear the Leatherslade Farm ('1970) and Aurora Borealis (1971) albums would never guess these to be the product of the same fellows who created "Sky High". I love the former sound, but the musicians surely chose the pop hit route in search of some actual monetary rewards for their efforts, which clearly would not have come from their earlier pathway (scarce sales guaranteed that the two early LPs are mega-rare and command big collectors-market dollars, and neither has been reissued on CD.) John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 23 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:20:39 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Choicy Beggar We talked here not long ago of some of the flibs, flabs and flubs that managed to sneak by Iris Gordy's crack Quality Control Team at Motown. I just came across another one, from which I got a nice little chuckle. Right at the start of The Miracles' captivating "Choosy Beggar" comes this line: Beggars can't be choicy, I know ... His performance is such a dynamic one, though, that I suppose a retake could only have diminished its edge. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 24 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:57:59 -0000 From: Mike Bennidict Subject: "Call Me" Question about an Instrumental: Well it was sort of and instrumental. it was a remake of Chris Montez's Call Me. But it featured women going ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba to the tune. Anyone know the name of this group and when this version came out? Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! End

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