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Spectropop - Digest Number 2013

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Raspberries Live
           From: Cynthia Santiglia 
      2. Re: The Raspberries Live
           From: Dave Marheine 
      3. John Carter and Ken Lewis
           From: Jack Russell 
      4. Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels
           From: S'pop Projects 
      5. Re: The Raspberries Live
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis
           From: Mark Frumento 
      7. Re: Carole King
           From: George Schowerer 
      8. Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis
           From: Mike Page 
      9. Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     10. Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis
           From: Rob Pingel 
     11. John Carter
           From: Michael 
     12. A&E Bee Gees
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     13. Re: The Raspberries / The Choir
           From: Bill Mulvy 
     14. Nicholas Lampe (aka Nick)
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
     15. "I Touched Sonny Bono's Fur Vest"
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     16. Re: Carole King demos
           From: Nick Archer 
     17. Re: Jackie, starring in "The Queen"
           From: Karl Ikola 
     18. [HOLD FOR COMP] Re: "Gloria"
           From: Various 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:33:03 -0400 From: Cynthia Santiglia Subject: Re: The Raspberries Live Karl said: > My complaints about the mix (primarily the vocals being too low - > especially Dave Smalley's) were echoed by friends who sat or stood > in different parts of the house. It did seem to get a bit better > later in the set, though. I will not go there unless absolutely > necessary. I am guessing you are talking about the Saturday show. I saw Sunday's performance. I think they tweaked the mix - several people I spoke to were at both shows. Consensus is it did sound better on Sunday. What a really fantastic show. At the top of their game, and so tasteful and genuine. Go see them if you have the opportunity! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:24:53 -0000 From: Dave Marheine Subject: Re: The Raspberries Live Karl Baker wrote: > Saturday's set list was: > 13. It's Cold Outside I thought their inclusion of "It's Cold Outside" from Dave, Wally & Jim's prior band, The Choir, was the biggest pleasant surprise when I saw them earlier this summer. A very fine show, and it was nice to hear so many tracks from their 4 LP's that were never "hits", too. Dave -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:29:05 +0100 From: Jack Russell Subject: John Carter and Ken Lewis Does anyone know what became of John Carter and Ken Lewis? I worked with The Ivy League after John Carter had been replaced by Tony Burrows. Perry Ford was still in charge. He died some years ago. Ken Lewis was a really nice bloke but was diabetic and not at all well, even then in 1966. So where are they now if they survived. And if they didn't, when did they pass on. Sadly Perry Ford was not a nice man but since he is dead we won't go there. Jack Russell -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:18:02 +0100 From: S'pop Projects Subject: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels New at S'pop Three Hours At Gold Star Recording The Beau Brummels by Al Hazan The liner notes accompanying "Magic Hollow", the 2005 4CD box set by the Beau Brummels, refer to their recordings produced at Gold Star Studios in 1964 as "the band's holy grail". Until then those tracks had only ever been rumoured to exist. Now's your chance to read a first hand account of the session by the actual producer, Al Hazan: Enjoy, The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:17:10 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The Raspberries Live Dave Marheine on the Raspberries live: > I thought their inclusion of "It's Cold Outside" from Dave, Wally & > Jim's prior band, The Choir, was the biggest pleasant surprise when > I saw them earlier this summer. A very fine show, and it was nice > to hear so many tracks from their 4 LP's that were never "hits", > too. Wait a minute. You mean a guy from The Raspberries was in The Choir? JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:25:55 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis Jack Russell wrote: > Does anyone know what became of John Carter and Ken Lewis? John's alive and well and seeing to his incredible song catalog (both his own and those of other artists he published). I was lucky enough to meet him through Kingsley Abbott and even luckier to have had lunch with him when I was in London last year. Though I have to admit that I was too star struck to say much of anything except how much I loved his song "Mythological Sunday." Fortunately he's such a nice guy that he has forgiven me for not paying my portion of the bill! He doesn't generally perform or place songs any more but he does play solo from time to time at local pubs near where he lives in London. Ken Lewis is still alive but he and John don't see each other. In fact I'm not sure many people know Ken's whereabouts. He left the music business in the 70s and I don't think he ever returned. I recently spoke to Russ Alquist who was one of John Carter's songwriting partners and I got the impression that Russ still occasionally speaks to Ken. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: George Schowerer Subject: Re: Carole King Anita wrote: > Hi-- I'm a big fan of Carole King, and I am really surprised that > there appear to be no biographies out there--either authorized or > not--about her. I was thrilled to see the feature on her last > Sunday on the CBS morning show! I know that she's a really private > person, but I think that her story would be fascinating. Anyone > know of any books I may not have heard of before? Thanks! Anita: As one of the engineers that did many of her demo records at Allegro studios in New York, I can tell you that she is, however, an extremely talented woman and literally played virtually all the drums and instruments on those demos. I've often wondered to to what has become of those demos...because I would love to add strings, etc. to some of them...they are treasures beyond your imagination. I will never forget those sessions...I wish all of us could hear them again. Regards, George Schowerer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:23:34 +0100 From: Mike Page Subject: Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis Jack Russell wrote: > Does anyone know what became of John Carter and Ken Lewis? John Carter enjoyed a varied career as a writer and singer. He played with many groups under many pseudonyms. There have been a couple of compilations in the UK in the last couple of years. If you are interested, I'll post details of these. Mike Page -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:44:30 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P. Jens Koch wrote: > The album was in truth unfindable for many years, but after > incessant mails from LJB fans, it finally found release this year. > Details are > at the Long John Baldry site at: > "Everything Stops For Tea" repeated the gimmick of an Elton John- produced side and a Rod Stewart-produced side from Baldry's previous (1971) LP, "It Ain't Easy." Highlights of the latter included "Don't Try To Lay No Boogie Woogie ...," Randy Newman's "Let's Burn Down The Cornfield," Elton & Bernie's "Rock Me When He's Gone," the Faces' "Flying," Leadbelly's "Black Girl" (in a duet with Maggie Bell), and Tuli Kupferberg's "Morning Morning." This album too was issued on CD this year, with bonus cuts including Robert Johnson's "Love In Vain." Further details and direct purchase can be essayed via Baldry's site: --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:17:57 -0000 From: Rob Pingel Subject: Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis Who are these gentlemen, and what is their place in the realm of Spectropop music discussion? Their names sound familiar, but I can't seem to place which songs they are associated with. Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:55:02 -0000 From: Michael Subject: John Carter I used to write regularly to John Carter after a friend helped get me in touch with him (we had stumbled onto a whole bunch of John Carter acetates from the 1960s...incredible stuff...and I helped transfer them to CD, and we sent him a copy, and from there we stayed in semi regular contact for a while...discussing songwriting and things like that (since I write songs myself). John Carter was very friendly, happy to share tips and stories. This was about 2001, and after a while, for no praticular reason, we just stopped writing to each other... But earlier this year I wrote him for the first time in a while, and he said he was doing well, and that he had recently taken some guitar classes and learned new chordal techniques that he found fascinating and that he was looking forward to incorporating into the music he was currently writing. So in short, John Carter is doing fine and still making/writing music and enjoying it. (He also told me he didn't think much of that recent hit record in England that sampled "My World Fell Down," I forget who that was, but that he sure didn't mind the royalties. :>) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:51:29 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: A&E Bee Gees Tonight's A&E Biography covers The Bee Gees. Check your local etc. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:30:05 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: The Raspberries / The Choir JB: > Wait a minute. You mean a guy from The Raspberries was in The Choir? Two guys. Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:12:12 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Nicholas Lampe (aka Nick) Does anyone have any information, just one or two teensy-weensy snippets, about this singer-songwriter-guitarist? He must be one of the most undocumented artists I've ever come across. He recorded an album ("It Happened Long Ago", released early '71) at Muscle Shoals, produced by Armet Ertegun and Jackson Howe. The single "Flower Garden" was a minor hit in Melbourne, Australia. No news of him since, as far as I can see. I've searched high and low for any biographical or career information about him. What I have found I've detailed here, at my blog, but it's not much: After I posted to the blog, a guy in Melbourne contacted me: he's been trying to research Nicholas Lampe for ages and has emailed anyone he can find who is listed in the album liner notes, but they all say they haven't seen him since the 70s. One suggested he was a social worker on the East Coast in the 70s, but that's all. Other clues? The LP liner notes cite David Astor, Frank Bongiorno, Kenny Rankin and Dion (THE Dion?) as 'spiritual advisors', and gives 'special thanks' to Mary & Joseph Lampariello. The personnel are Muscle Shoals people, with Nicholas Lampe on guitar, string arrangements by Arif Mardin. All of the songs are written by Nicholas Lampe. Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:32:12 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: "I Touched Sonny Bono's Fur Vest" Now at eBay, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy Sonny Bono's fur vest! And priced to move, at a mere $1600. eBay item number 4732675298 I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:28:29 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: Carole King demos George Schowerer wrote: > I've often wondered to to what has become of those > (Carole King) demos...because I would love to add strings Ed Salamon purchased a few of them at the Skeeter Davis estate sale, along with demos from Barry Mann and Paul Evans. Maybe he'll let us post them to musica. Nick Archer Franklin, TN -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:46:58 -0700 From: Karl Ikola Subject: Re: Jackie, starring in "The Queen" Phil X Milstein wrote: > Another Jackie song, one in which the character appears in the lyric > but not the title, is the Rip Chords' 1963 raver "The Queen." ... > Interestingly, the name "Jackie" never appears again after the > song's first word, although certainly her regal attitude exerts its > haughty presence throughout. I hope it isn't true, but when the > song came my way it was accompanied by a rumor that the reference > was to de lovely Miss DeShannon; perhaps Mr. Lerner or Mr. George > know more about that. Hi Phil: I rang Mr. Bringas himself to get the scoop on "The Queen", and he said it's Melcher on lead vocals, and to the best of his knowledge, the "Jackie" referenced in the song was in fact Jackie DeShannon. KI -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 18 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:33:12 -0000 From: Various Subject: [HOLD FOR COMP] Re: "Gloria" A selection of posts on the same subject: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim, Growing up in Chicago, I respectfully disagree with your opinion, as do, I suspect, most people who grew up around here! The only reason that it is remembered now is because Morrison became famous as a solo act. Most people would be hard pressed to remember that version as opposed to the "garage rock" classic version done by the Shadows of Knight. What was the name of that group again? Oh, Them. Bill Mulvy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave O'Gara wrote: > Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much airplay? He > never reached the Billboard Hot 100 with his version. Dan Hughes: > Actually the Morrison version of Gloria peaked at #71 in Billboard > (by Them, not Morrison). Most people who heard both versions in > 1965 felt the Them version was infinitely better, both vocally and > musicianally (there must be a word but that probably ain't it), but > US radio wouldn't play it because Van sang the line "She come in my > room." The Shadows of Knight sang it "She call out my name" and > got past the censors and had the American hit (it peaked at #10). > To put it mildly, standards have changed and Morrison's version no > longer offends. So it gets the airplay it was denied forty years > ago. So I guess this means that on the few oldies station that still survive in the United States, we should perpetuate this 'revisionist oldies' format that plays Them's version of Gloria because it's 'superior' to the Shadows of Knight version, even though the SoK version was THE version that got top 40 AM radio play in most of the the US AM markets in the 60s? These are the same stations that never play the authentic 60s US(MGM) edit of the Animal's House of the Rising Sun (without the "With one foot on the platform" verse). Anyway, I have to agree with Dave that, for most people (including Dave and me), the Shadows of Knight version was the version that played on the soundtrack of our lives. That's the version that should play on oldies stations. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Good catch Dan. I looked at my Whitburn Top Forty book instead of the Hot 100 book when I referenced the Billboard chart position. But my basic question still remains. When oldies stations claim to bring back the "good times and great oldies" I still think it should be the songs that most of us were exposed to at the time. As for the lyric change you cited, that makes for a good story but I can't believe that's the reason the song didn't do better. Sometimes songs, or versions of songs, just don't grab the public's fancy. Again, don't get me wrong, I like the Them version. My problem is that, to me, it doesn't fit on oldies radio because it wasn't a hit by that artist during the era. To suggest Morrison and Them's version is better and that's why the Shadows of Knight version is getting squeezed out of airtime is not the argument. The debate is not over whose version was better, it's whose version was actually a "hit" during the era featured by oldies radio stations. Consult any oldies program director and you'll find the instances of a song they play that didn't make the national top 40 very rare; with possible exception of regional hits. Dave 0'Gara ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The original was so much better than the cover version. Denis Gagnon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Shadows of Knight also had the requisite sneer that Van lacked. That sneer is part of the foundation of punk. Do't get me wrong, sneer-free is good in pop, but Gloria was a sneering garage number and the Shadows of Knight really got the job done in '66....But that's just me. James Boticelli ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess it depends on where you lived. In Phoenix, the THEM version of Gloria was the hit. Most of us growing up in music there considered the Shadows Of Knight version highly inferior. All anyone has to do is play the two versions side by side to hear the vast difference in the quality of the two. Morrison's single is a polished professional production, the Shadows Of Knight an obvious garage band cover. Don't get me wrong, 'garage' is great, just not in the same league :) John Hesterman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And also because Them's version was THE hit version in certain areas. In Los Angeles, Them's version was the big hit; I don't recall the Shadows of Knight version ever being played. Richard Fannan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Words cannot describe how big a hit Them's "Gloria" was in Los Angeles. It hit #1 on KHJ and KRLA (for several weeks, as I remember) and I remember being bitterly disappointed when Satisfaction beat it out for the top single of the year. Every year, KHJ would do a Top 500 songs of all time, based on a write-in listener survey, and "Gloria" would consistently land in the top 10 for years after. Dave Feldman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave O'Gara writes: > Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much airplay? I can think of several factors: 1. Van Morrison wrote the song. 2. Van Morrison became a major star and still has a LOT of name recognition. 3. Them's version WAS a Billboard hit (albeit a minor one). 4. This wasn't a situation where multiple artists recorded a relatively obscure songwriter's demo (think: Bacharach, Carole King, Randy Newman, etc.). This was a simply the Shadows Of Knight hearing Them's version on the radio, and covering it. So in that sense their version should be considered no different than Beatles or Stones covers that happened to out-chart the originals. 5. Them's version is superior. :) Later, Scott Swanson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The SoK version was somehow a hit east of the Rockies, and virtually unheard here on the West Coast -- THANK GOD! I grew up in the LA area and we heard plenty of THEM on the radio, including Mystic Eyes, Here Comes The Night and Gloria. I got to see them twice live at the Whisky in the spring of 1966, once with Captain Beefheart opening and the other time with the Doors as the house band of the week. To me the SoK version is virtually unlistenable, the reedy singing being the main fault (and the SoK drummer does not reach the same intensity as Pat McCauley did on the Them original). But "each his own" I guess! John Berg, Seattle area ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, here on the left coast, Them's version was the hit version. The first time I heard the SoK version, I thought it sounded thin and weak compared to Them. I've grown to like it, though, for its garage- like sound. Joe Rickstone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I like Them's version better. I think the S.O.K. version has been too overplayed or at least that's my experience. Mike Bennidict ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! End

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