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Spectropop - Digest Number 2011



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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Charles Ives & the Cryan' Shames ( ! )
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      2. Re: Dusty's "My Coloring Book"
           From: Bill Mulvy 
      3. Re: Jimmie Haskell & the Raspberries
           From: Bill Mulvy 
      4. Re: B B King's (club)
           From: Cynthia Santiglia 
      5. Eugene Record / Evil Women
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      6. 60sgaragebands.com August Updates
           From: Mike Dugo 
      7. Re: Stateside label
           From: James Botticelli 
      8. Re: The Raspberries
           From: Karl Baker 
      9. Re: "Jackie" / "Jacqueline"
           From: Various 
     10. The Raspberries live
           From: Karl Baker 
     11. Re: Laurence "Larry" Weiss and "Bend Me, Shape Me"
           From: Mark Maldwyn 
     12. Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
           From: Artie Wayne 
     13. "Bend Me, Shape Me": the original
           From: Joop 
     14. Re: B B King's (club)
           From: Unsteady Freddie 
     15. Re: The Raspberries
           From: Bill Mulvy 
     16. Re: The Roulettes
           From: Reuben Kay 
     17. Jackie Lee
           From: Mark Maldwyn 
     18. Kris Jensen
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     19. "Gloria"
           From: Dave O'Gara 
     20. Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
           From: Sam Cooper 
     21. The Soul of Sue Records
           From: Frank M 
     22. Carole King
           From: Anita 
     23. Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
           From: Rob Pingel 
     24. Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
           From: Jens Koch 
     25. Re: "Gloria"
           From: Dan Hughes 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:56:11 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Charles Ives & the Cryan' Shames ( ! ) Jim Kauffman re the original chaotic "middle" of "Susan": > that was no "musique concrete, that was a snippet from Charles Ives' > "Central Park in the Dark"......the Leonard Bernstein recording...... This makes it even more interesting. Didn't know that! Since Ives could be considered a modern classical composer, that would almost place "Susan" in the same category as "Morning Girl" (interpolation of full symphony orchestra into a pop tune that starts out with only organ, piano and a few strings) and "MacArthur Park", which utilizes the entire orchestra more or less throughout the song. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:33:42 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: Dusty's "My Coloring Book" Mary writes: > Dusty Springfield's "My Coloring Book" - where can I find it? Mike Edwards: > Mary, I'm assuming you're in the US, in which case try amazon.com > for a Taragon CD that combines two of Dusty's 60s' albums, "Stay > Awhile/I Only Want To Be With You" & "Dusty". Her excellent > version of "My Coloring Book" is included. If you're in the UK, > you might want to try amazon.co.uk, where Mercury CD copies of "A > Girl Called Dusty" (the original 60s' album with bonus tracks) are > going for around 4. Dusty's "My Coloring Book" is a great track > to own, as are all the others on these two CDs you won't go > wrong. Mary, I have that Taragon CD and the sound is great and the songs are in <<>>, unlike some other Dusty packages, where some songs are not. Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:07:01 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: Jimmie Haskell & the Raspberries Karl: > Jimmie Haskell did the string and horn arrangements on the first > Raspberries album only. Karl, If you are lucky enough to see the Raspberries live, you will hear them perform that song to perfection, (including the AM radio sound in the middle of the song). That was never one of my favorites, until I saw them do it live. It was like a mini rock opera. I now can really appreciate the brilliance of the song. Just fantastic. All four original members too! Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:41:23 -0400 From: Cynthia Santiglia Subject: Re: B B King's (club) BB King's is really sort of a tourist trap, I think! I will only go there if ABSOLUTELY necessary-like for the Raspberries show Sunday. They advertised an 'open dance floor' and of course when we got there, the tables were set up on the floor. They had fewer than usual, but it wasn't general admission. Guess they didn't want to give up their dinner revenue. The ticket price was steep but I know The Raspberries guarantee was pretty hefty, and I felt it was worth it. I knew I'd get a good show as I saw the very first reunion show in Cleveland last year. I have to disagree slightly about the sound at BB's. Not superb but I think it is relatively solid. I certainly think it's one of the better venues in the city for sound. I think the mix is going to depend, to some extent, on where you are. As far as I am concerned though, that's not nearly enough to get me to go there. It has to be an act I've GOT to see, that is playing nowhere else. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:23:46 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Eugene Record / Evil Women I am mourning the death of Eugene Record. The Chi-Lites were only one group, but a tremendously important voice of Chicago's R&B scene. Not to mention the powerful recordings that Barbara Acklin did on her own. Spooky Tooth's lengthy but wild version of Larry Weiss' "Evil Woman" is found on "Spooky Two", their second LP released in the UK and slightly later released in the States on A&M. This isn't the same song as Crow and Black Sabbath recorded, nor is it the same song as ELO struck it big with in the mid-70s. I am given to understand that there are also at least TWO other songs with this title written more or less around the same time--anyone know anything? Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Dugo Subject: 60sgaragebands.com August Updates The August updates to 60sgaragebands.com are now online. Featured this month are interviews with Bob Pennington of the Kolor Korporation (Florida), Alan Aaron of the Yo Yos (New York), and Sid Whatley of Just Us Five (Oklahoma). We've also added a comprehensive bio on the Shags (Connecticut) in our new ESSAYS section, with super rare color pics of the band on stage at the Zodiac Club. Check it out... Mike Dugo HTTP://www.60sgaragebands.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:09:05 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Stateside label Mike Edwards wrote: > It all started for me when Stateside put out a CD version of an > O'Jays' compilation, "Working on Your Case" which they had out on > vinyl in the 80s. It contains the sublime, "Lonely Drifter" (1963), > which comes up for discussion from time to time. It deserves to. The > unissued tracks here are faultless and that's before we get started > on such issued gems as "Lipstick Traces". I picked up that LP on a trip to London in 1985. I had previously found a Minit 45 of Workin' On Your Case and was surprised at the prolific output from the O'Jays prior to the stuff I knew, which at the time was limited to Philadelphia International stuff. I was also surprised to find out that "Lipstick Traces" was actually originally a New Orleans soul nugget recorded by Benny Spellman. Great Stateside anthology with all pre-Philly and pre-Bell Records recordings. The Bell stuff has been reissued by Sundazed Records here about 5 years ago FYI. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:21:33 -0400 From: Karl Baker Subject: Re: The Raspberries Clark: > Karl, must explain why the incredible 5 minute "Don't want to Say > Goodbye" was chosen for their first single. A great orchestrated > piece if there ever was one. A top 5 hit here in Omaha area, that > one song sold me well before "Go All the way" sold all the rest. > Besides BB's, what did you think of the Raspberries concert? I > would LOVE to see them. I've always been of the opinion that "Don't Want To Say Goodbye" was chosen as their first single because it evoked the sound of The Beatles, yet was not a complete throwback (as the Flamin' Groovies attempted). As for their performance on Saturday: I cannot say enough positive things about it. They sound as good as they ever did - perhaps better now that advances in technology allows them to leave the mellotron at home. Jim Bonfanti is probably the most under-rated drummer there is. If The Who were unhappy with Kenny Jones (and that probably has more to do with Kenny watching the accounts rather than his abilities), Jim is more than capable of filling Keith Moon's drum seat - or Zak Starkey's for that matter. Saturday's set list was: 1. I Wanna Be With You 2. It Seemed So Easy 3. Let's Pretend 4. Last Dance 5. Tonight 6. Should I Wait 7. Nobody Knows 8. Makin' It Easy 9. If You Change Your Mind 10. Party's Over 11. Hit Record 12. I Can Remember 13. It's Cold Outside 14. Play On 15. Hard To Get Over A Heartbreak 16. Ecstasy 17. I Don't Know What I Want 18. Please Mr. Postman 19. You're Gonna Lose That Girl 20. Twist And Shout 21. I'm A Rocker 22. Go All The Way A friend of mine went back on Sunday and said that while they performed the same basic set reshuffled, they also included "I Can't Explain" and, as second encores, "Slow Down" and Roll Over Beethoven". Karl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:15:21 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: "Jackie" / "Jacqueline" A few more "Jackie/Jacqueline" songs. No more please. Thanks for your co-operation: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Good list, Mick. "Everybody has The Jackie Look!" If album cuts are permitted, I'd like to suggest "The Last Time I Saw Jacqueline", off the Neon Philharmonic's "The Moth Confesses" album. Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A huge hit in Italy, Spain and France: Jacqueline by Marino Marini. Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to mention "Jackie Blue" by The Ozark Mountain Daredevils (biggest "Jackie" hit, at least in the US?). And "Jackie" a la Scott Walker was originally recorded by Jacques Brel. But y'all knew that already, of course. Dave Monroe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's four others: The Last Time I Saw Jacqueline - Neon Philharmonic The Bubble (The Jackie Look) - Kris Jensen Jacqueline - Bobby Helms Jackie Blue - Ozark Mountain Daredevils Rob Pingel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And lest we forget "Meet Jacqueline" by the Troggs. Karl Ikola ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:31:48 -0000 From: Karl Baker Subject: The Raspberries live My complaints about the mix (primarily the vocals being too low - especially Dave Smalley's) were echoed by friends who sat or stood in different parts of the house. It did seem to get a bit better later in the set, though. I will not go there unless absolutely necessary. I can't tell you how many times that I've decided against going to see a show because of the venue. Karl Baker -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:36:46 -0000 From: Mark Maldwyn Subject: Re: Laurence "Larry" Weiss and "Bend Me, Shape Me" There's a killer 'ethnic' version by TV barmaid turned Diva; Lynn Holland. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P. When I was General manager and director of creative services at Warner Bros. music in the early seventies. I worked closely with my friends Larry Marks, Joe Boyd and Don Simpson at Warner films and helped them find black composers and artists like Donny Hathaway, Joe Simon, and Millie Jackson for their "Blaxpoitation" films, "Come Back Charleston Blue" and "Cleopatra Jones". I had a chance to travel all over the country and meet with some incredibly talented people who I might never had met otherwise. I remember hearing "Have You Seen Her?" by the Chi-Lites for the first time while driving down the Sunset Strip and freaking out! I found out that Eugene Record was the composer and lead singer of the Chi- lites and I knew he would perfect for a couple of upcoming film projects. A few months later I was in New York and saw that the Chi-Lites were playing at the Apollo theater in Harlem. I contacted Eugene and set up a meeting backstage with him after the second show. I sat in the third row with my platform shoes and "Superfly" hat and watched an excellent show that ended with their latest release "Oh Girl". The curtains closed and I waited for them to come back out and do "Have You Seen Her?"...But they never came back! When I went backstage, I told Eugene how disappointed I was when I didn't hear my favorite song in their set. He said they would sing it for sure in the next show. When I told him that I had to leave for the airport right after our meeting, he and the other Chi-Lites did an accapella version of "Have You Seen Her?" in their dressing room! That's something that I'll never forget...nor the great influence Eugene Record had on the soundtrack of our lives. Rest in Peace. Regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:43:39 -0000 From: Joop Subject: "Bend Me, Shape Me": the original I think the Models version on MGM 13775 was released july 1967. On the next link I found the recording-dates: http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/d674.htm The Models MGM 13775 Arr by Larry Fallon Mayfair Recording Studios, NYC June 28 1967 102766 Bend Me Shape Me 102767 In A World Of Pretty Faces The Outsiders released their version april 1967 on the album "In" (Capitol 2636): http://www.classicbands.com/outsiders.html Joop greets -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:43:15 -0000 From: Unsteady Freddie Subject: Re: B B King's (club) I live in the neighborhood of the NYC BB Kings -- I have really come to love the club. Sometimes the sound can be quite spotty though. One thing to be warned about: they include a 'tip'/'gratuity' on the bill, but a lot of people don't notice, and end up double-tipping. Unsteady Freddie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:26:33 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: The Raspberries The Raspberries are probably the best "oldies" act out at this time - and all the original members! Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Reuben Kay Subject: Re: The Roulettes Can anyone shed any light on the one-sided Oak Records version of 'I Can't Stop'? According to the RCPG it came with a pic-sleeve. I've never seen a copy, or even seen it for sale! Is it in anyway different from the Columbia 45? Reuben -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:40 -0000 From: Mark Maldwyn Subject: Jackie Lee Talking about Jackies ... does anyone have a copy of the Jackie Lee interview which took place recently on BBC Radio Kent? Thanks, Mark M -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 18 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:12:30 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Kris Jensen Speaking of the one and only Kris Jensen. Is he alive today? Anyone know him or know of him these days? I want to kiss his hand. This is the "Torture" guy!!! Before I got a copy of this fabulous 1962 mini- smash, which I hadn't heard since I was a little tyke, I felt "tortured" not having it (nor hearing it--on ANY oldies stations in Chicago). Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 19 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:56:50 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: "Gloria" Here's a question about something that has always bugged me about some oldies radio stations, and Scott Shannon's True Oldies Channel in particular. Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much airplay? He never reached the Billboard Hot 100 with his version. I don't ever remember hearing it on the radio back in the 60's. Didn't most of us come to know the song by the Shadows of Knight? It seems to me that Morrison's version has even diminished airings of the SoK version. Obviously, I know that Morrison wrote the song, but if that's the criteria used by today's Oldies stations Program Directors then why don't they play Carole King's version of You've Got a Friend in place of James Taylor, or Michael Nesmith doing Different Drum? I think you see my point. I like Morrison's version, heck, I like the Doors version, too. But I think they're better suited for classic rock stations. Van's just sounds out of place on True, or Real, oldies stations. Anybody else share this view? Dave 0' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 20 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:52:24 -0000 From: Sam Cooper Subject: Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P. I'm another LJB fan and usually a lurker on the S'pop list. My favorite album was was "EVERYTHING STOPS FOR TEA" (co-produced by Elton John and Rod Stewart, who both made remarkable contributions to it), circa around 1971. Last time I checked, it was impossible to find. I don't know if it was originally only a vinyl release, but it was not available as a CD when I did a search. The song list includes AWESOME covers of "IKO IKO", "YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER", "SEVENTH SON", "JUBILEE CLOUD", and the title track with a very humorous intro. My copy is totally beat up with skips and pops. I would gladly pay or trade something for a fresh copy burned to CD, if someone out there has it. Of course, if it was actually available through a distributor, I would just get it that way. Sam Cooper http://samcooper.iuma.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 21 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:01:33 +0100 From: Frank M Subject: The Soul of Sue Records If I remember to take this Cd in to the Studio this saturday afternoon for 2:30pm (BST) The Soul of Sue records will be the CD of the week and I'll try not to play the obvious tracks. FrankM http://www.radiomagnetic.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 22 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:31:35 -0000 From: Anita Subject: Carole King Hi-- I'm a big fan of Carole King, and I am really surprised that there appear to be no biographies out there--either authorized or not --about her. I was thrilled to see the feature on her last Sunday on the CBS morning show! I know that she's a really private person, but I think that her story would be fascinating. Anyone know of any books I may not have heard of before? Thanks! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 23 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:27:02 -0000 From: Rob Pingel Subject: Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P. First became aware of the name Eugene Record when he appeared as the featured musical guest on Saturday Night Live. He performed a song titled "Trying To Get To You" which sounded like a hit to me. I finally found the record last year. Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 24 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:26:30 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P. Sam Cooper: > My favorite (Long John Baldry) album was was "EVERYTHING STOPS FOR > TEA" [...] if it was actually available through a distributor, I > would just get it that way. The album was in truth unfindable for many years, but after incessant mails from LJB fans, it finally found release this year. Details are at the Long John Baldry site at: http://www.longjohnbaldry.com/recordings/everythingstopsfortea.asp Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 25 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:01:37 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: "Gloria" Dave O'Gara wrote: > Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much airplay? He > never reached the Billboard Hot 100 with his version. Actually the Morrison version of Gloria peaked at #71 in Billboard (by Them, not Morrison). Most people who heard both versions in 1965 felt the Them version was infinitely better, both vocally and musicianally (there must be a word but that probably ain't it), but US radio wouldn't play it because Van sang the line "She come in my room." The Shadows of Knight sang it "She call out my name" and got past the censors and had the American hit (it peaked at #10). To put it mildly, standards have changed and Morrison's version no longer offends. So it gets the airplay it was denied forty years ago. ---Dan, http://danhughes.net (spiffy home page) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop! End

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