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Spectropop - Digest Number 1993



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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Terry Cashman
           From: Florie Gray 
      2. Busy Doin' Somethin' Else - Beach Boys fan convention 16 July
           From: Susan 
      3. Re: "Over The Weekend"
           From: Phil Hall 
      4. Re: Neon Philharmonic
           From: Christian Steiner 
      5. Reparata And the Delrons
           From: Ian Slater 
      6. Re: Terry Cashman
           From: Austin Roberts 
      7. Re: "Over The Weekend"
           From: Gary Myers 
      8. Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels
           From: Martin Roberts 
      9. Re: Terry Cashman
           From: Fred Clemens 
     10. Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
           From: Richard Havers 
     11. Re: Terry Cashman
           From: Joe Nelson 
     12. The Fatback Band
           From: Mick Patrick 
     13. [PLS HOLD] Re: Baseball Songs
           From: Various 
     14. Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol 3
           From: Various 
     15. Re: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
           From: Dave Monroe 
     16. Review - Al Kooper's new CD
           From: ACJ 
     17. Re: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels & Sly Stone
           From: Phil X Milstein 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:48:56 -0400 From: Florie Gray Subject: Re: Terry Cashman Larry Bromley asked: > Is this Cashman the one co-wrote pop hits as part of the Cashman- > West team? Terry Cashman was indeed the Cashman from Cashman and West, and, earlier, was part of Cashman, Pistilli & West. Their "American City Suite" was quite unusual for the time -- a "pocket symphony" (to use Brian Wilson's term) which was very beautiful and really quite prescient. Florie Gray -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:54:41 EDT From: Susan Subject: Busy Doin' Somethin' Else - Beach Boys fan convention 16 July A final reminder that a Beach Boys fan convention will be held in Southbury CT this Saturday, 16 July. In attendance will be original Beach Boys David Marks; lyricist Stephen Kalinich, the only person to write with all three Wilson brothers; and Jon Stebbins, author of the definitive Dennis Wilson biography, The Real Beach Boy. Admission is $50 at the door. Full information can be found at http://www.geocities.com/shutdownsusan/Somethin_Else.html - hope to see some of you there! Susan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:07:26 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: Re: "Over The Weekend" Gary Myers on the Playboys' "Over The Weekend": > Love that song! I thought I was the only person alive who even *remembers* that song. I recall it got some airplay on American Bandstand, I think in the summer of '58. Classic slow-dance tune of it's time. And that brings to mind Johnny & The Blockbusters rendition of "For The First Time" from the same time period. I can't find anything substantive about the Playboys on the internet, but Johnny Olenn of The Blockbusters still performs occasionally. Some of Johnny's songs are available on the Ace UK CD "Rock All Night". Phil H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:45:57 +0200 From: Christian Steiner Subject: Re: Neon Philharmonic Hi! "No one is going to hurt you" definitely was a single. I have a radio commercial 45 promoting it as the follow-up to "Morning girl". Does anyone else have interesting commercial singles promoting records? I have another one for the "...strawberries..." - album by THE COLLECTION and one for SPANKY & OUR GANG's "greatest hits" as well as some singles offering german records. Krischan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:16:15 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Reparata And the Delrons Great to hear of a compilation by this great girl group, especially if some more unissued tracks can be unearthed. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the "group" had neither any of the same members nor any part of the same name as that which finished! On their first record on Laurie, they were the "Del-Rons" and on their final recordings just "Reparata"! But the sound and style didn't change much and most of their output was great. The only disappointment to me was the "Rock n Roll Revolution" LP. Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:24:07 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Terry Cashman Florie Gray: > Terry Cashman was indeed the Cashman from Cashman and West, and, > earlier, was part of Cashman, Pistilli & West. Their "American City > Suite" was quite unusual for the time -- a "pocket symphony" (to > use Brian Wilson's term) which was very beautiful and really quite > prescient. Just as an aside, Terry Cashman gave me my first writing deal when he was the head of ABC Music. I was on leave from the Marine Corps. in 1967 and played him some songs; he said basically, if you're still alive, come back when you get out and we'll pay you $75 a week and give you a cubicle and a wollensack. I started in feb. 1968. Best, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:41:38 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: "Over The Weekend" Me, earlier: on the Playboys' "Over The Weekend": > Love that song! Phil Hall: > I thought I was the only person alive who even remembers that song. I was in Bradenton, FL at the time, and heard it pretty much there. > I can't find anything substantive about the Playboys on the internet There was a story about them, probably 6-7 yrs ago, in one of the collector's magazines, but I don't remember which one. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:37:45 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels The S'pop Team wrote: > The liner notes accompanying "Magic Hollow", the 2005 CD box set by > the Beau Brummels, refer to their recordings produced at Gold Star > Studios in 1964 as "the band's holy grail". Until then those tracks > had only ever been rumoured to exist. Now's your chance to read a > first hand account of the session by the actual producer, Al Hazan: > http://www.spectropop.com/BeauBrummels/index.htm I look forward to Al Hazan's writings on music and the folk he was involved with. His tales are informative and his attention to the details often presents amusing stories. His writings on working with Jack Nitzsche both for the Nitzsche site and his own well display his talents. His piece on the Beau Brummels is another fine example of his writing skills. Well worth checking out the piece. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:28:34 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Terry Cashman Terry Cashman was earlier known as Dennis Minogue when he fronted a group, the Chevrons ("Lullabye"), on Brent Records in 1959-1960. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:59:40 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now" Does anyone know if it's Georgie Fame playing the Hammond on Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"? Thanks in anticipation, Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:41:55 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Terry Cashman Austin Roberts: > Just as an aside, Terry Cashman gave me my first writing deal when > he was the head of ABC Music. I was on leave from the Marine Corps. > in 1967 and played him some songs; he said basically, if you're > still alive, come back when you get out and we'll pay you $75 a > week and give you a cubicle and a wollensack. I started in Feb 1968. Just out of interest, am I mistaken or was that a one year "trial" deal? As we've discussed offlist, the fact that you were under that contract cost you the writer credit to one of your best early songs, "I'll Smile", the B side of "Mary And Me" (Austin's first solo single). (Many producers ask for the publishing on songs they produce. Because of Austin's ABC-Pampco contract this wasn't possible, so in a compromise he agreed to give up writer credit on his B sides to Bill and Steve Jerome, who placed it with their BMI company, ironically named Good And Truthful Music.) Apparently by the time you hooked up with Paul Leka the ABC contract was moot and the publishing on those songs went to Leka's ASCAP company. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:16:58 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: The Fatback Band Any fans of the Fatback Band out there? I can't say I know much of their stuff, but I know a good article when I red one. Might I recommend: The Last Of The Great Dance Bands THE STORY OF BILL CURTIS AND THE FATBACK BAND by Bill Buckley (of Blues and Soul Magazine) at this URL: http://tinyurl.com/d2yaz Gotta go, Shameless has started. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:50 +0100 From: Various Subject: [PLS HOLD] Re: Baseball Songs One topic, several posts: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gawd, I miss Steve Goodman! I suppose no compilation of Baseball songs would be complete without some of his work, like A DYING CUBS FAN'S LAST REQUEST GO CUBS GO; and, of course his own rendition of TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALLGAME. Went to do some fact checking after pontificating about my knowledge of Terry Cashman (which is almost nil) and found the following: More than just a baseball fan, Cashman played minor league ball in the Detroit Tigers organization in 1959 and 1960. He was also making records as the lead singer of a group called The Chevrons, and even appeared with the group on American Bandstand at the time he was playing professional baseball. Cashman later composed songs with Gene Pistilli and Tommy West, recorded songs as part of the team of Cashman & West, and he produced all of Jim Croce's records. The site from which I copied the above paragraph is: http://www.kcmets.com/Feature032502.html Florie Gray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Hughes wrote: > One more -- does anyone know a barbershop quartet version of "Take > Me Out To The Ball Game," in which the singers sing the right > words, but they get ahead of themselves and run out of lyrics > before the music is done? A very funny effect; Larry King used to > play it on his overnight radio show. My beloved Skeletons from Springfield, MO did such a version on their "In The Flesh" CD many moons ago. I can't do the "musica" thing, but since it is out-of-print, maybe someone else can make it available. I just bought tickets on line to see the Morells (made up of most of the Skeletons) 8/20 in Cleveland. Tom Taber ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Hughes wrote: > One more -- does anyone know a barbershop quartet version of "Take > Me Out To The Ball Game," ... Was it this: (take me) out to the ball game, take me out to the park, buy me some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't care if I never get back, so let's root-root-root for the home team, if they lose it's a shame, for it's one-two-three strikes, you're out at the old ball game (dead silence for the rest of the melody) This version appeared on a VERY old Barney tape (Three Wishes, deleted before the Purple One really took off because (so I was told by one of the producers) most kids wouldn't recognize the tile character as Barney (in those days he was a darker shade of purple and had a deeper voice). Seems to fit your description. Joe Nelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- Beach Boys - It's Trying To Say [Baseball's On] - great song for the first day of the season! Susan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:48 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol 3 One topic, several posts: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Andreasen on "Phil's Spectre II: Another Wall Of Soundalikes": > I would LOVE to see a vol. 3, and wish for it to include tracks > like... Any other suggestions? Mick Patrick: > I'm already cooking up Vol III in my mind, so the door is open for > suggestions. Please don't recommend anything that's already on the > first two volumes. Check the track lists for those at these URLs: > http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=4606 > http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=847 Jackie Lee - 'Cause I Love Him. Mark Maldwyn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think Joe South "Rose Garden" is much more Spector sounding than "Don't You Be Ashamed" which is really connected by the chords progression more than the actual sound. Also Ronnie Charles' "Layla" which to me tries very hard to out- Spector the wall of sound. Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "He makes me feel so pretty" - Shirley Matthews - Mala 910 - produced by Bob Crewe. Can't we have one production by Bob Crewe? Or is he going to sue? more54rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting to me what's coming up as a "Spector soundalike". Here's how I'm seeing it. Mr Spector rarely made what I would call 'dance' tracks. This is especially apparent when you compare his more popular productions to contempary dance records of the day - Motown, Cameo, Dimension, Laurie etc etc. Yes you can dance to them but you can dance to The Carpenters instead of The Marvelettes if thats your idea of fun. Many suggestions being put forward as potential 'soundalikes" are, to my ears just echo-ey, dense sounding records as opposed to sparce, more stripped down, raw recordings. I'm not sure this makes them 'soundalikes'. Is the criteria 'records that sound as though Phil Spector could have produced them'? Certainly records like 'Say Goodbye To Hollywood" and "Close Your Eyes" could have been either Spector productions or are pastiches - similarly any of Roy Woods "Wizzard" productions or Donna Summer's "Loves Unkind". But some of the suggestions sound unlike Spector productions to me. He could never have produced the Clydie King sides - surely they are far too subtle? Just a thought. Simon White ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I might get smacked around for this, but how about the Ray Conniff Singers' "Melodie d'Amour" from the "Happiness Is" LP? The Wall of Sound is subtle, but it's there... Any other MOR songs with WOS treatment you all can think of? - Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now" Richard Havers wrote: > Does anyone know if it's Georgie Fame playing the Hammond on Nita > Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"? Does anybody know anything about Nita Rossi? I've been spinning her "Something to Give" for a while now and would really like to find a copy of her 'Untrue, Unfaithful" on vinyl, but all I know of her is what little is whatever might have mentioned in the notes to Where the Girls Are Vol. 4. The Modculture site, where you'd think somebody ought to be able to answer Richard's question, throws up its hands as well: http://www.modculture.co.uk/reviews/review.php?id=252 http://uppers.org/showArticle.asp?article=697 If an answer isn't forthcoming here, though, I think I know who I can ask. Thanks in advance as well. Dave M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:32:47 -0400 From: ACJ Subject: Review - Al Kooper's new CD I know a lot of people here don't think much of the All Music Guide, but here is its review of Al Kooper's new CD, "Black Coffee": http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A6ckpu3esan8k ACJ "Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels & Sly Stone Martin Roberts wrote: > I look forward to Al Hazan's writings on music and the folk he was > involved with. His tales are informative and his attention to the > details often presents amusing stories. His writings on working with > Jack Nitzsche both for the Nitzsche site and his own well display > his talents. His piece on the Beau Brummels is another fine example > of his writing skills. Well worth checking out the piece. Agreed -- this was a real fine read, not least because I've been concentrating a lot lately on "before they were stars" stories. In keeping with that, the listing I saw on Ace's "Phil's Spectre II" page, as a "similar" release, for "Precious Stone: In The Studio With Sly Stone, 1963-65," really caught my attention (and, now that I think of it, almost ties back in with The Beau Brummels). Has anyone heard this one? Is it up to Ace's usual impeccable standard? (And how DO they do it?) Dig, --Phil M. -- new at Probe: * Collins Kids = metal forebears? (x2) * roots of "Superstar" (x3) * Darin does Sebastian (x4) * C. Carson Parks (x5) http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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