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Spectropop - Digest Number 1921



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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The fall of The Rascals
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Re: BTM
           From: James Botticelli 
      3. Re: Hard Times
           From: John Berg 
      4. Kenny Young - Slauson Street
           From: Tom Diehl 
      5. Re: Russ Titleman
           From: Declan Meehan 
      6. 60sgaragebands.com May Updates
           From: Mike Dugo 
      7. Re: Young Rascals
           From: Joe Nelson 
      8. Re: Russ Titelman
           From: Mike Edwards 
      9. Re: B&H's L.U.V.
           From: Matt Spero 
     10. Re: Water; hello, Cynthia; Del Satins; Paul Simon's "Works In Progress 2"
           From: Country Paul 
     11. Re: no "Collage"
           From: Bill Mulvy 
     12. Re: Summy Symphony
           From: Anthony Parsons 
     13. Re: In defense of Paul Anka
           From: Chris Brame
     14. The Whyte Boots
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 04:52:20 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: The fall of The Rascals Bill Mulvy wrote: > Is "See" one of The Rascals' most overlooked songs? > Beware of the version that appears on the 2-CD box set > by Rhino, which cuts the "See" ending considerably and > has mostly mono versions on it. I totally agree about "See". The Rascals story is so strange. Right when they were at the very top of a great career, they fell flat! Unlike groups who get let down easy after peaking, these guys never were in the game after "People Got To Be Free". That song was their fifth Top 10 out of six releases, and it spent a whopping five weeks at #1 in '68. Followups "A Ray Of Hope" and "Heaven" may have had their messages, but they lacked everything musically that all those previous Top 10 hits had. "See" was a masterpiece rocker, but they had lost serious momentum, it seemed. "Carry Me Back" was a good song too, but after that it was over. So many groups, such as the Hermits and DC5, seemed to have a slow fade from the top, but The Rascals could do no wrong in '68, until those those records I mentioned above. Unlike many groups where their music passed them by, The Rascals don't fit that groove. There was no other group that sounded like The Rascals, at least until J. Geils in '72 or so. It's just so surprising how a group with so many terrific songs in a row could suddenly not have any. The Monkees fell very very fast from the top too, but they'd never had the string that The Rascals had for three years. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:41:35 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: BTM Bob Rashkow wrote: > The Ribbons and Mike Clifford singles are hard to locate. > Congratulations!! Thanks, Bob. I'd been listening for the past 10 years to the phony stereo version on Era Back-To-Back Hits, b/w Toni Fisher's phony stereo version of "The Big Hurt". Now I hafta join our British brethren in saying, "Back To Mono". JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:04:33 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: Hard Times Bill George wrote: > Someone here recently mentioned the Pozo Seco Singers' > version of Chip Taylor's "I Can Make It With You". ... I have a > video of a group called 'Hard Times' doing it. It's a great > version. Was this ever released on vinyl? The Hard Times album, along with some non-LP items, was reissued on CD by Rev-Ola. You can find specific song titles at their website: http://www.revola.co.uk/ John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:13:36 -0000 From: Tom Diehl Subject: Kenny Young - Slauson Street Can anyone help me locate Kenny Young's demo of "Freddy's Street," done as "Slauson Street"? I thought I still had it, but apparently I don't and I'd like to hear it again. Tom "Diamond Hunter" Diehl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:50:35 -0000 From: Declan Meehan Subject: Re: Russ Titleman Mark Frumento asked: > To Kingsley's point about RT: has anyone ever compiled a list > of his earlier songs? Hi, Mark. I suggest you check out my previous post (Spectropop Digest #1714, msg. #5) for a list of Russ Titelman songs, which Mick Patrick later added to. Mark again: > My favorite of all his songs is 'I Never Dreamed'. I agree with your assessment. 'I Never Dreamed' was my favourite for many years, though I have to say after locating a copy of ex-Cookie Darlene McCrea 's 'My Heart's Not In It' (on Tower, and another co-write with Gerry Goffin), that one may eclipse 'I Never Dreamed' in its melodic subtlety, passion and intensity IMHO. Currently I have a 'Russ Titelman Songbook' as a permanent fixture on my iPod Mini (which includes both US and UK productions of certain tracks), which would certainly make the basis of a fantastic compilation CD, if licensing permitted. (Have Kingsley or Mick considered this?) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Dugo Subject: 60sgaragebands.com May Updates The May updates to 60sgaragebands.com are now online. Included this go-round are recollections by Jerry Milam of Golden Voice Recording, who offers a rebuttal to J.C. Clore of The Third Booth on his previously printed recollections on the recording of "I Need Love"; Roger "Eric" Johnson and Forest Cloud of Kansas' Eric & The Norsemen ("Get It On"); and Edward Gerosa of Connecticut's The Road Runners. who have four excellent, previously-unreleased songs on Arf Arf's "New England Teen Scene" compilation. Check it out ... Mike Dugo 60sgaragebands.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:24:29 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Young Rascals Mikey wrote: > The band was called The Rascals, and right when they were > signed by Atlantic and it was announced in Billboard, musician > and bandleader Johnny Puleo of "Johnny Puleo and The Harmonicat > Rascals", a popular group with the older set, sued for use of > the name "Rascals." Atlantic's solution was to change the name > to The Young Rascals. Thats how it happened, as told by Gene > Cornish on NPR. I don't doubt Cornish's memory, as he's been pretty consistent with the story through the years. I think it got real clear real fast that if people had the Harmonicat Rascals on the brain to the extent that they were going to be confused with the Rascals, a name change to the Young Rascals wasn't going to be any. In any case, I think confusion between the Young Rascals and the Little Rascals (of Hal Roach's "Our Gang" series) was far greater. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:47:01 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Russ Titelman Mark Frumento writes: > To Kingsley's point about RT: has anyone ever compiled a list > of his earlier songs? Of all of the writers of the 60s his song > really stand out as incredibly melodically subtle (as opposed > to the direct to hook writing of Carole King and others). My > favorite of all his songs is 'I Never Dreamed'. Been on a quest > to find other examples but I think I can count on one hand the > number of Russ Titleman songs I have. Although I don't have it to hand, I'm pretty sure that an article on Russ Titelman appeared in an issue of either "That Will Never Happen Again" or "Philately", the print forerunners to Spectropop. Here's a list I've put together of some of RT's songs that you may or may not know of: * Chiffons (and others) - What Am I Gonna Do With You (co-written with Gerry Goffin) * Honey Bees - She Don't Deserve You (w/ Goffin) * Chiffons - Sailor Boy (w/ Goffin) * Cookies - I Never Dreamed (w/ Goffin) * Darlene McCrae - Heart's Not In It (w/ Goffin) * Cinderellas - Please Don't Wake Me (w/ Cynthia Weil) * Cinderellas - Baby Baby (I Still Love You) (w/ Weil) * Dusty Springfield - I Wanna Make You Happy (w/ Weil) * Barbara Mills - Little Things Like That (w/ Larry Kolber) * Glen Campbell - Guess I'm Dumb (w/ Brian Wilson) * Hollies (and Monkees) - Yes I Will (aka I'll Be True To You) (w/ * Goffin) RT wrote some top quality material but his early '60s repertoire was not that extensive. Looking at the co-writers of the above titles, he was clearly very involved with some of our Brill Building favorites. Having said this I don't think I can endorse your comment that his songs were "incredibly melodically subtle" whereas those of Carole King and others were "direct to hook". Carole King's '60s catalog is so huge and diverse that she has many titles that match the above for subtlety. I like: "Some Of Your Lovin'", "I Didn't Have Any Summer Romance", "Randy", "We Love And Learn", "Is This What I Get For Loving You Baby", "I Wasn't Born To Follow", "Up On The Roof" and "Oh No Not My Baby" for starters. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:46:38 EDT From: Matt Spero Subject: Re: B&H's L.U.V. Jimmy Botticelli wrote: > 2. Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart: I Wanna Be Free / L.U.V. (Let > Us Vote) (A&M). Better known by The Monkees, this is the way > the writers did it. FYI, I was a DJ when this came out and "L.U.V." was the A-side. Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:47:52 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Water; hello, Cynthia; Del Satins; Paul Simon's "Works In Progress 2" Phil M.: > Agreed that [Water's] catalogue has a lot of great-looking > stuff in it, but note that they sell only through distributors > and not to individual customers. A Google search for the album title + artist yielded several competing sites, all below list and with a couple of low-priced choices. J&R Music World in New York is sending it out. Cynthia Santiglia: > Hello everyone - this is my first post! I have very > much enjoyed reading the lively exchanges on > Spectropop and wish you all well. We're tickled to have you aboard, Cynthia; please ask Aunt Peggy if she feels like jumping in, too! Phil M. again: > I found a neato little Del Satins site, including bio, > photos and discography, at > http://www.tangerinemusic.com/original.htm Very cool site. Where would Dion's early solo career have been without them? Considering that, it must be strange to have one's music be that well known and yet be almost a "total phantom" comparatively speaking. Artie Wayne: > Paul Simon's lyric to "The Boxer" talks about the whores on > 7th Ave., not 2nd Ave. I remember when Jerry Landis (as I > knew him then) wrote it. We used to have lunch near one of > their favorite corners. It is indeed 7th Avenue. The reference is to the pre-Disney days of Times Square. And speaking of "Jerry Landis," I've just acquired the second volume of "Works In Progress," the Paul Simon-emerges-from-his-embryo collection. This has the hit "Lone Teen Ranger," possibly the best thing on the CD, but he does a version of "Tick Tock," an uptempo doo-wop track, that's mighty credible. The album still overflows with "sweetness" -- an overabundance of teenage love songs, mostly demos he sang for hire -- but one can hear the sonic shift moving a little toward the more mature Paul Simon. Unfortunately, Volume 2 doesn't have a mindbending discovery like the version of "Just To Be With You" he does with Carole King on the first one (and which was played to musica), but it's an interesting artifact nonetheless. My next listen-through will be done with the thorough and well-researched liner notes in front of me for deeper appreciation of the stories behind the recordings. A related question for Artie: Was Paul Simon still using "Jerry Landis" when he was writing the earlier songs that became Simon & Garfunkel material? Best to all, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:06:46 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: no "Collage" Does anyone know why the Raiders' album "Collage" has never been released on CD? Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:04:28 -0500 From: Anthony Parsons Subject: Re: Summy Symphony Jimmy Botticelli wrote: > 1. Jack Gold Sound: Summer Symphony (Columbia). Penned > by Sedaka/Greenfield, this stereo/mono copy is a soft rock > blueprint, with ocean waves rushing, an ever-so-slightly funky > bass, and Sandpiper-like male vocals. Find of the Week! Any chance that could be posted to musica? Lesley Gore's version is definitely among my top five favorites of her recordings (although I could only list any favorites by her alphabetically rather than numerically). The song itself is a sublime masterpiece! I'm very curious as to what this version sounds like. Is that Jack Gold the same one associated with Lesley's first hit, "It's My Party"? If so, it's pretty ironic! Sincerely, Antone -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:49:27 -0000 From: Chris Brame Subject: Re: In defense of Paul Anka Rob Pingel wrote: > Not only do I think that Paul Anka was one of the finest > singers during the period in question, but also deserves > to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hear, hear! Quick question: on what LP or CD can one find his great "duet-yourself" version of "You're Just in Love"? You sound pretty good yourself, Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:22:31 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: The Whyte Boots Once again, I'm on a quest for some very vital research material. An inhabitant of planet S'pop can help me, I know it. As we all are aware, the fabled girl group known as the Whyte Boots did not actually exist. They were put together by Philips Records to promote the death-disc "Nightmare", the handiwork of singer-songwriter Lori Burton and her partner in crime Pam Sawyer. At the time of the release of the single in late-'66/early-'67, the pop magazine Go ran a feature article about the group, complete with photograph and quotes from all three members. By any chance, does anyone out there have a copy of the article, or the magazine. The Rev-Ola label here in the UK will be releasing Lori Burton's "Breakout" album on CD sometime soon. They and I would be eternally grateful for any assistance received. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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