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Spectropop - Digest Number 1917



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Lou Christie's backup singers
           From: Phil Hall 
      2. Re: Teddy & the Pandas
           From: Ed B 
      3. Re: Through Spray Colored Glasses
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      4. Re: Oldies Topping The UK Charts
           From: Dave Heasman 
      5. This Week's finds
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: early Ides
           From: Clark Besch 
      7. Bobby Sherman
           From: Larry Lapka 
      8. Bad apples; "Today I'm In Love"; sweet Judee, Joel (Scott?) Hill and Water, Water everywhere
           From: Country Paul 
      9. Re: Young Rascals
           From: Mikey 
     10. Re: Collector's Choice Music
           From: David Gofstein 
     11. Re: Rita Pavone
           From: Mike Anderson 
     12. Re: Ides Of March
           From: Gary Myers 
     13. Re: Ides Of March
           From: Gary Myers 
     14. Re: Frankie Avalon
           From: John Black 
     15. Re: Lesley Gore
           From: Jim Allio 
     16. Re: Frankie Avalon
           From: Gary Myers 
     17. Re: The Rascals
           From: Bill Mulvy 
     18. Re: "The Boxer"
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     19. Re: "Border Song" and early Elton
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     20. Re: Border flop?
           From: Joe Nelson 
     21. What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     22. Re: Bobby Sherman
           From: AJ 
     23. Re: What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)
           From: Phil Chapman 
     24. Re: The Rascals
           From: Bryan 
     25. Re: "The Boxer"
           From: Artie Wayne 


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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:58:57 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: Lou Christie's backup singers Yesterday for the second night in a row, I heard Lou Christie's "Two Faces Have I" while driving home. I wonder who did the wonderful background vocals? I would have thought The Blossoms, except that they were based on the West coast while Lou was from the East coast. I know The Angels backed Lou on "Lightnin' Strikes". Could it have been them? Phil H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:24:04 -0000 From: Ed B Subject: Re: Teddy & the Pandas James Botticelli: > Mike didn't mention Minuteman records, on which all of my Teddy & > The Pandas singles are recorded. Minuteman in this case being not > the anti-immigration group trawling for Mexicans on the Arizona > border, but the originals who fought the Brits on Lexington Green > (my hometown). I do believe Jimmy has his local Boston groups mixed up. The "Improper Bostonians" recorded on Minuteman and had 3 or 4 releases during 66'-67'. Incidentally, I still have copy of Once Upon A Time on Coristine which was purchased in the Record Dept. of Jordan Marsh in downtown Boston. Looking for info on a semi- hit in Boston summer 66' Surfin-East Coast by The Dolphins on Yorkshire Records 125 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:41:53 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Through Spray Colored Glasses Sebastian Fonzeus wrote: > Four King Cousins which you mentioned -- lovely stuff! :) By the way, > have you heard "Through Spray Colored Glasses" by Desi, Dino & Billy? > It was their only 45 on Uni and it reminds me a whole lot of "I Fell". If any of us has got it and is able, surely the DDB song you mention merits musica play! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:09:59 +0100 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Oldies Topping The UK Charts Norm: > A lot of increasingly obscure music tracks are used as advert > music. I recently spotted Prof. Longhair's "Big Chief" and once > heard a Charlie Mingus groover. Buggered if I can remember what > they were advertising, though. I understand that one of Charlie Gillett's day jobs is (or at least was) the sourcing of obscure but great old records for ads. Dave -- ad-free at home. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:38:42 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: This Week's finds The never ending quest for the ultimate in musical ambition, the 45, continues. The sides listed first constitute only the tastes of the 45 Rekkid-Detective, not the facts ma'am Red Bird - Barry Mann - Amy/Talk To Me Baby Ballad about a young guy after an older gal M- Musicland USA - Bob Kuban - The Teaser Followup to "The Cheater" M Signet - Toni Fisher - The Big Hurt First phase shifting rekkid. A gem. M- Philips - The Secrets - The Boy Next Door VG pop about the guy next door being a possiblilty EX Marsh - The Ribbons - Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya Learned about this rekkid from The Searchers. Thrilled to find the original EX- Teenage - Isley Brothers - Angels Cried Had a less than desirable copy of this doo-wopper from '58. Now I got the real deal. M- United Artists - Mike Clifford - Danny's Dream/One Boy Too Late I like 'my' A-Side for the lyric about a guy who's best friend's girlfren' is flirting with him Kapp - Burt Bacharach - Saturday Sunshine One of his poppier ones...Sung by a kid's chorus. As good as Petula's version Kapp - Lenny Welch - Two Different Worlds Pure Spectropop..Did this guy ever do wrong? Dimension - The Cookies - Softly In The Night B Side of "Don't Say Nothin' Bad" but a top shelf King/Goffin tune Liberty - Jan & Dean - It's As Easy As 1-2-3 The later the better for Jan & Dean...A soft rock beauty... Ronny & The Daytonas ballad-like Hit-Records - Jimmy & Joe - Surf City /Easier Said Than Done by Clara Wilson! With the original sleeve "Hit Records 39Cents! Commentary? JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:02:12 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: early Ides Mike Dugo wrote: > Minor correction, Mike -- the Ides' first hit was titled "You > Wouldn't Listen." They did have other single releases, most > notably "Roller Coaster." You can buy a CD from Sundazed > http://www.sundazed.com - covering their "garage band" period > with almost all their pre-"Vehicle" songs. Despite being known as a Chicago area group in this period, their music was no stranger to the Big Apple. WMCA charted "You Wouldn't Listen" in their rather large playlist (WABC did not). However, WMCA must have influenced WABC some, as "Roller Coaster" spent 3 weeks in the Big Bonus category on the WABC survey which only listed 14 songs plus 10 or so "bonus" songs. So, what was the west coast's excuse?? In reality, the west coast is where most Chicago groups suffered. Unless it was a national top 20 hit, the west coast killed national success for many Chicago band singles. Some of this may have been the WABC/WLS pipeline with ABC. On the west coast, KABC was not a rockerso anything that could have been sent down from the east had no outlet from the "Big" top 40 stations of Chicago & New York. Also, many Chicago groups never got out to the west coast to perform regularly, so they hurt themselves in that way. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:29:16 -0000 From: Larry Lapka Subject: Bobby Sherman Dear All: I was wondering if someone could direct me to any CD of Bobby Sherman's pre-Metromedia output. I have a couple of tracks here and there from the mid 1960s, and I am intrigued by his assured vocals--especially for a guy that wouldn't have a real hit record until 1969. One of my favorite records of my youth was his "Hey Little Girl" on Decca from 1965, which someone recently sent to me as an MP3. It sounds as good today as it did 40 years ago, and for a guy who really wouldn't have a "hit" for four more years, his abilities are there, right out in the open. This should have been a hit, wasn't, but remains a vivid song from my childhood. Any information on a CD of his pre-Metromedia material would be appreciated, on or off the group. Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:45:05 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Bad apples; "Today I'm In Love"; sweet Judee, Joel (Scott?) Hill and Water, Water everywhere Steve Propes: > The other night, on Larry King Live, commentator and attorney > Nancy Grace (of the Society of the Perpetual Snarl) made the > observation about one of Michael Jackson's song titles: "One > Bad Apple." Was that her subtle way of drawing the Osmonds > into this fiasco? Maybe it's a cautionary tale: be careful who you imitate, it may come back to bite you! :-) Sebastian Fonzeus: > I'm also a sucker for "I Fell" by The Four King Cousins which > you mentioned -- lovely stuff! :) Are you - or is anyone - familiar with the King Family's "Today I'm In Love" (Warner Brothers, probably mid-60s)? I vaguely recall it as being a nice bouncy uptempo girl-group feeling, far removed from the goody-two-shoes weepy ballads I remember them for otherwise (which are probably not the sum of their ouevre, but it's been my impression of them save for this track). I had written: > There is a new Judee Sill album out in Europe... Bryand replied; > Actually, it's been issued on the Runt-distributed Water label. > You can see all of the label's releases at: > http://www.buyrunt.com/water.html I stand corrected. I've checked out the Water site - amazing catalog of reissues. Thanks, Bryan - I see another purchase in my future.... While checking out Water, among other nifty-looking stuff was an album by Chris Etheridge, John Barbata and Joel Scott Hill, "L. A. Getaway," which I remember seeing but not hearing when new. Is this Joel Scott Hill the same as Joel Hill who did "I Ran," the Dion sound-alike on Monogram? I'm also impressed/amazed/"freaked-out, man," that Water reissued The Zodiac on Elektra, the 60s would-be psychedelic trip through same with members of the Wrecking Crew on board. Pass the dutchie.... Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:22:44 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Young Rascals Bob sez: > From what I understand, The Young Rascals were originally > "The Rascals" but Atlantic wanted a younger image for them. > They went back to simply "The Rascals" starting with "A > Beautiful Morning". At that point they also no longer did > separate 45/LP mixes. Corrections, anyone? Sorry Bob, that's incorrect. Actually, what happened was this. The band was called The Rascals, and right when they were signed by Atlantic and it was announced in Billboard, musican and bandleader Johnny Puleo of "Johnny Puleo and The Harmonicat Rascals", a popular group with the older set, sued for use of the name "Rascals" Atlantics solution was to change the name to The Young Rascals. Thats how it happened, as told by Gene Cornish on NPR. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Gofstein Subject: Re: Collector's Choice Music Rob wrote: > Why do Collector's Choice Music feel the need to ruin every > single CD cover by stamping their name on them? This totally > ruins the cover art. Are they that desperate for publicity? Hi All: Everytime I order (online, not over the phone) I get free shipping for orders over $50.00. And unfortunately my orders are usually $40 and change, which prompts me to buy one more! And I personally do not mind the logo. For me it's the music more than the packaging. Plus they put out the coolest stuff! Last time I ordered The Persuasions, The Youngbloods, Jamie Brockett and Giles, Giles & Fripp. Nice diversity, eh? Later, Dave Gofstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:29:55 EDT From: Mike Anderson Subject: Re: Rita Pavone Julio: > Talking about Rita Pavone, I love the wonderful tracks she > recorded in English, in 1964 ( NYC) and 1965 ( Nashville), > one of my favorites is the beautiful "Little by Little". I > wonder if some of them had some repercussion in USA. "Remember Me" reached #26 on Billboard in 1964. Mike Anderson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:47:31 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Ides Of March Orion wrote: > I remember while serving in Germany in 1970 the rumor going > around that the lead singer of BS&T was actually singing behind > the scenes for The Ides of March. Jim Peterik alluded to that in the song "Common Bond", which is about the band. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:50:11 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Ides Of March Michael Thom wrote: > ... Peterik also wrote and produced sides for other > Chicago-area artists ... I may be way off base, but it seems to me that he also produced a single (maybe of the Beatles' "Things We Said Today"?) by Sam Cooke's daughter. I believe one of his later songs was also cut by 38 Special. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:52:14 EDT From: John Black Subject: Re: Frankie Avalon I'd have to say that my favorite Frankie Avalon track is "Just Ask Your Heart," which seems to me to be much more uptempo than most of his other recordings. I'm a new member here, but a longtime collector of girl group music. John Black -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Allio Subject: Re: Lesley Gore John wrote: > Hi, > Is a Lesley Gore discography available? USA preferred, ta. Right here! http://patswayne.com/lesley/lesdisc.htm Jim Allio -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:54:47 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Frankie Avalon Laura Pinto wrote: > His best tracks, in my opinion, are "Venus" and his 'Grease' > showstopper, "Beauty School Dropout." I think Avalon was a very weak singer in his earliest days, but did sound decent on "Venus". However, the best I rememember hearing him sound on record was on "You Are Mine" and "Welcome Home". He improved over time. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:41:26 -0500 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: The Rascals Bob: > From what I understand, The Young Rascals were originally > "The Rascals" but Atlantic wanted a younger image for them. > They went back to simply "The Rascals" starting with "A > Beautiful Morning". At that point they also no longer did > separate 45/LP mixes. Corrections, anyone? Bob, I think they dropped the Young part after they were no longer that young anymore. Is the song "See" by the Rascals one of their most overlooked songs? Beware of the version that appears on the 2CD box set by Rhino which cuts the "See" ending considerably and has mostly mono versions on it. Does anyone have the 6CD boxed set and are all possible stereo versions on it? Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:45:40 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: "The Boxer" Joe Nelson wrote: > A few years back, Paul Simon did a concert in Central Park where, > from what I understand, the crowd went nuts every time he sang > anything to do with New York City. I have this image in my mind > of the audience applauding wildly at Simon's homage to the city's > darker side (the "come-on from the whores" line in particular), > seemingly oblivious to the fact that the song was hardly a tribute. Of all the times I've been in NYC, I have never seen a single whore on any part of (the very long) 2nd Avenue. Are there other references in "The Boxer" that identify the story's locale as NYC? If not then perhaps he was singing of another city, one whose 2nd Ave. really was a hot bed of the low life. Just a thought, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:49 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: "Border Song" and early Elton Country Paul wrote: > I don't remember it as a flop; although it didn't blister its way > up the charts, it served (at least in Providence, RI) to pave the > way for Elton John not to be a stranger when "Your Song" hit. > Interesting that, in the US, it was a one-off release on Congress > (division of Kapp). If I recall correctly, Aretha's version of "Border Song" was at least a mid-sized hit. Did it come out before the release of "Your Song"? If so I suppose the attention it got would've further helped "grease the wheels" for the attention given to "Your Song" and the USA debut album. When I first heard "Your Song", as a musically-ignorant 13-y.o., I thought it was the "If I Was A Carpenter" song I'd been hearing about, but not yet heard. I still wonder to what extent its composition may've been influenced by Tim Hardin. It's a little bit funny, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:15:15 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Border flop? Country Paul re: Elton John's "Border Song": > I don't remember it as a flop; although it didn't blister its way > up the charts, it served (at least in Providence, RI) to pave the > way for Elton John not to be a stranger when "Your Song" hit. > Interesting that, in the US, it was a one-off release on Congress > (division of Kapp). One off? I have to look into this further, but I thought Elton's earliest singles were on Congress originally. I definitely remember seeing an MCA pressing of "Lady Samantha" that had a blurb on the label indicating Congress as the original label. (Follow-up before sending: LS was Congress 6017 here. BS was Congress 6022, reissued as Uni 55246, possibly following legal action from MCA as to who had stateside rights to EJ? (Elton's first UK singles (including LS) were on Philips although Dick James (the DJ in DJM) was masterminding his career at that time and the switch to DJM occurred long before BS was released in the UK.) Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:58:52 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) Over the years I've come to realise that Russ Titleman (The co-author along with Gerry Goffin of this wonderful song) is just about my favourite girl group era writer - not many to his name, but all really great songs. There is another version as well as Lesley's and The Chiffons, that is by a group called the Inspirations on Black Pearl Records if memory serves. It's a tad faster but really good too. The definitive (probably, unless someone knows better) US discography/sessionography for Lesley Gore, up to July 1969 at least, can be found in the booklet for the Bear Family 5CD set of her work. According to this WAIGDWY(HB) was recorded on March 27, 1965 at RCA's studio with Jack N producing, and then again at an undisclosed location with Quincy Jones producing on July 23 1965. Both these versions are on Disc 3 of this set. The great booklet was written by Dawn Eden, so if she sees this maybe she can tell us more? Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:36:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: AJ Subject: Re: Bobby Sherman Larry Lapka: > I was wondering if someone could direct me to any CD of Bobby > Sherman's pre-Metromedia output. I don't have any pre-Metromedia stuff but I am looking for: Jennifer; Together Again; and Waiting At The Bus Stop. If anyone would have these can you PLEASE let me know. Thank You AJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:22:00 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) Kingsley: > Over the years I've come to realise that Russ Titleman (The > co-author along with Gerry Goffin of this wonderful song) is > just about my favourite girl group era writer - not many to > his name, but all really great songs. There is another version > as well as Lesley's and The Chiffons, that is by a group called > the Inspirations on Black Pearl Records if memory serves. It's > a tad faster but really good too. Lesley's is the first version I heard, but I came to like the Chiffons' best. It's difficult to make a bad version of this finely crafted song, but in 1966 (and I hate to lower the tone) the Singing Bodies had a good try: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ PC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:42:15 -0700 From: Bryan Subject: Re: The Rascals Bill Mulvy asked: > Does anyone have the 6CD boxed set and are all possible > stereo versions on it? In a word, "yes." Bryan (ex-Rhino Handmade, Mach I) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: "The Boxer" Phil Milstein said: > Of all the times I've been in NYC, I have never seen a single > whore on any part of (the very long) 2nd Avenue. Phil...How ya'doin'? Paul Simon's lyric to "The Boxer" talks about the whores on 7th Ave., not 2nd Ave. I remember when Jerry Landis (as I knew him then) wrote it. We used to have lunch near one of their favorite corners. The next time there's a question on a lyric, check out the Top 40 lyric database at http://www.top40db.net/ . My friend Alan O'Day ("Undercover Angel", "Angie Baby") turned me on to it. It's a must for every Spectropopper! Regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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