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Spectropop - Digest Number 1900



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There are 19 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Double Tracking
           From: Tony Leong 
      2. Re: Double tracking
           From: Tom Taber 
      3. The Cray-ons
           From: Ian Slater 
      4. Re: Bad splices
           From: Nick Archer 
      5. Claire is okay!!!
           From: Kiva 
      6. Re: Double Tracking / The Chiffons
           From: George Schowerer 
      7. Re: Keren Ann
           From: Dave Monroe 
      8. Re: Spanish Girls galore
           From: Dave Monroe 
      9. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     10. The Marquee Review
           From: Frank Murphy 
     11. Re: Bad splices
           From: Robert R. Radil 
     12. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
           From: Scott Swanson 
     13. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
           From: Dan Nowicki 
     14. Re: Jack Keller, RIP
           From: Austin Roberts 
     15. Thee Prophets
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     16. Welcome aboard, John Beland
           From: Austin Roberts 
     17. Re: The Marquee Review
           From: Joe Nelson 
     18. Everly Brothers Box Set?
           From: Alan Gordon 
     19. Re: Thee Prophets
           From: Mikey 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:32:12 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: Double Tracking If you listen to "Stumble and Fall", "Winter Wonderland", it's actually Darlene's sister Edna singing along with her. And didn't they make a fine blend!!!???? There were also a couple of Ronettes songs that I thought Ronnie had overdubbed her voice, but later I found out Nedra was singing along with her ("Keep On Dancing"), or it was all three Ronettes in unison ("Soldier Baby"). I've also been told that in those Spector sessions, the BACKGROUND vocals were sometimes doubled. Tony -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Double tracking Previously: > ... producers of poor singers like Gary Lewis, Billy J Kramer, > Fabian, Frankie Avalon, etc ALWAYS double tracked and triple > tracked their vocals... Off the top of my head, I don't believe either Fabian or Frankie Avalon were usually, if ever, double tracked. Surely some echo or whatever was added to their voices. Am I correct, troops??? Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:11:40 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: The Cray-ons In reply to questions about the above, I have two 45s by the group. They were billed as the Cray-ons. The records are: COUNSEL 121 (SEPE - Brooks Production) 1963 Teach me Mama (A. Walker, F. James) / Crazy Dream (Bennett, Fink, Romans) COUNSEL 122 (SEPE - Brooks Production) 1963 Love at First Sight (G. Matola, R. Page) / I Saw You (Baker, Romans, Fink) And, yes, "Love at First Sight" is the one Stefano has on the cassette. They are all classic black girl group tracks but I like that one best. Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:53:46 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: Bad splices John Fox wrote: > Since we're talking about bad tape edits/mistakes, how about the > annoying drum pedal squeak throughout "Come Go With Me"? I guess > WD-40 hadn't been invented yet. Much as I like it, the entire intro of "Deeper & Deeper" by Freda Payne seems spliced on. Nick Archer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:45:31 EDT From: Kiva Subject: Claire is okay!!! Hello everyone, My name is Kiva and I am Claire Francis's daughter. I just wanted to let you all know that mom is okay!! Thank you all so much for all your thoughts and prayers, mom said she got every one of them and they all worked!!! So thank you all very much for all the love and support. Love and light, Kiva httP://www.upfrontphotography.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: George Schowerer Subject: Re: Double Tracking / The Chiffons Will Stos: > I heard a live version of "He's So Fine," from a Murray the K album > on a tape I got from Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly several years back, > and it was obvious Judy didn't need studio tweaking to reproduce > her recorded sound. The backing vocals were very hard to hear > though. Maybe it was just the style at the time. To be honest, > sometimes a bad over-dub is very distracting. If the master tapes > are available, can an overdub be stripped off? There has been confusion over mono and stereo versions of "He's So Fine". I recorded that hit for the Tokens (producers) at Allegro studios in mono. The only way a vocal can be stripped is to go back to the previous mix (before a new layer was added). You see, most of this time period, recordings were done in monaural, bouncing and adding things in each layer of recording. The trouble comes from the fact that so many of these sessions started out as demos...and the rules in those days were that you paid less than the normal rate for sessions (which were booked as "demos"). On a demo session, the client got to keep one take only and it was stored by the studio for making acetate dubs (records). If the song was subsequently sold to a record company, then the producers came back to the studio and paid the difference in studio rates, the producers then owned the single take and could take it with them. This was true for "16 Candles/ Crests, etc. If the session was booked at the full rate, then the client got to keep everything from the session. This is what controls the possiblity of changing the structure of the original session, making stereo mixes available later on, since the original intention was for a mono 45 record release. Regards, George Schowerer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Keren Ann The French Are Coming Keren Ann and Nouvelle Vague open up New York ears to the chanteuse nation by Emma Pearse http://villagevoice.com/music/0514,pearse,62694,22.html -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Spanish Girls galore Here's a hyperlink and tracklisting for the current installment of No Me Des Tormento, an online radio show originating in Spain. This week, DJ Borja Gorostiza and his perdiodic guest, Miguel Angel Patilla, spun some Spanish ye-ye apparently at my request (you can hear my name when they introduce Mony's "Schopenhauer"). Well worth listening every week ... PROGRAMAS AHORA y Disponibles 24h en NOW RECORDED SHOWS Available 24h a day at http://listen.to/nmdt LISTEN SHOW NEW!! Apr 06th, 2005 de Lorellas and Shakers invitado/guest :: Miguel Angel "Patilla" 1. Silvana Velasco. hush [SG/RCA] 2. Lorella y los Shakers. sola estoy [EP/RCA] 3. Mony. schopenhauer [EP/Fontana] 4. Shelly & Nueva Generacion. i'm a poor boy [SG/Philips] 5. Tara. happy [SG/Polydor] 6. Celines y los Mistics. si no eres tu (wasn't it you) [SG/MYK] 7. The Shadows. scotch on the socks [EP/HMV] 8. The New Breeder. want ad reader [SG/HBR] 9. The Hunger. mind machine [SG/Public] 10. Terry Britten. bargain day [SG/Columbia] 11. Bruno Castiglia e i Bisonti. viso di luce [SG/City] 12. Charlie Earland's Erector Set. yes suh' [SG/Eldorado] 13. The Bit A Sweet. out of sight, out of mind [SG/MGM] 14. The Grassroots. midnight confessions [SG/RCA] 15. Love Children. easy squeezy [SG/Deram] 16. The Shake. oh, no [Demo] http://www.theshake.net viernes 8 abril LIVE The Shake http://www.theshake.net Sala P'abersematao - Sedavi, Valencia - 23.00h http://www.pabersematao.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:07:02 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits I'm listening to "Pity" again (on CD) and it sounds to me like Frankie started singing that last verse a few seconds late. So they re-wound the tape and punched him in, but the that track didnt erase completly. You only hear the print through only on that last verse. It's still a great recording, most Garage Bands in 1966 would have killed to have a A-Side as good as this Seasons B-side/LP track. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:27:14 -0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: The Marquee Review If you want to dip into the strange world of Northern soul and find out how records are picked up for play head for Reflections on Northern Soul: http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/index.php?genre=&show=65 and click on the show 2004-01-22 The Marquee Review cut of What Good tomorrow will be found 42 minutes in on a windows media player. Here's the play list from the 2004 01 22 when Lenny Harkins of The Caledonia Soul Club was my guest. It helps if you can cope with Craig Ferguson's accent. San Reno Strings - Hungry for love The Marvelettes - You're my remedy Lenny Harkins The Flirtations - Need your Love The Tiaras - Love's made a connection The Magnetics - When I'm with my baby The Magictones - There's nothing better than love TC Lee and The Bricklayers - Up and Down The Hill Les Chansonettes - Don't Let Him Hurt You Strings and Things - Fabulous New York The Cautions - No Other way The Spontanes - Where Did I Go wrong Clay Hunt - In the City square Marquee Review - What Good Tomorrow The Rotations - Can't Find her Mr Caldwell - Love Bandit Soundsations - Mr. Sensation Curtis Lee - Is She in Your Town Youth Opportunities - Hopes Dreams and Tombstones Cookie Jackson - Do You still Love Me The Kittens - It's Got to be Love The Foxes - Mighty Good sign Luther Ingram - If it's all the same to you Steve Mancha - Monday thru Thursday The Endeavours - I can't stop Crying Lily Fields - I've Got to tell you E Rodney Jones - Peace of Mind Brice Coffield - Ain't That Right The Fiestas - Think Smart Emmanuel Laskey - Gotta run for my life Jamo Thomas - Stop the baby Joe Monte - Hurtin' Myself Terry Randazzo - You Don't Need Heart FrankM -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:27:58 -0000 From: Robert R. Radil Subject: Re: Bad splices Mikey wrote: > MY vote for worst tape splice has got to be that hideous edit of > "Let It Be" for single release. Right in the middle of George's > guitar solo, that splice is jarring as all hell. And to top it, > Phil Spector did it!! Phil Spector did it??? I didn't think he had any involvement with the single version. I thought he only got involved with the LP remix version. Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:01:21 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England" Doug Richard writes: > The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was > recorded in England with much help from the Hollies and English side > men like Jimmy Page. So it is curious to me that in the booklet > that comes with the "Heartaches & Harmonies" box set, all the TYIE > tracks (Somebody Help Me, So Lonely, Kiss Your Man Goodbye and The > Collector) show that they were recorded at United Recorders in > Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American studio players > (James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey, Larry Knechtel, > Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story on this. But doesn't the box also credit Page in the liner notes? I know he played on at least one song from TYIE ("Hard Hard Year"). It seems odd that The Everlys would record some Hollies songs in London (i.e. "Hard Hard Year") but others in Hollywood (i.e. "So Lonely"). Then again, the album's master tape #s might provide a clue: JA 15143 - Don't Run And Hide JA 15144 - Have You Ever Loved Somebody JA 15145 - Fifi The Flea JA 15146 - Hard Hard Year JA 15147 - Like Everytime Before JA 15148 - Signs That Will Never Change J 15157 - Kiss Your Man Goodbye J 15246 - The Collector J 15247 - So Lonely J 15248 - I've Been Wrong Before J 15249 - Pretty Flamingo J 15260 - Somebody Help Me That's quite the coincidence that ALL the alleged Hollywood songs have "J" prefixes, while at least one confirmed London song has a "JA" prefix. Hopefully the new CD re-issues will offer some clarification. Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:44:26 EDT From: Dan Nowicki Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England" Doug Richard writes: > The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was > recorded in England with much help from the Hollies and English side > men like Jimmy Page. So it is curious to me that in the booklet > that comes with the "Heartaches & Harmonies" box set, all the TYIE > tracks (Somebody Help Me, So Lonely, Kiss Your Man Goodbye and The > Collector) show that they were recorded at United Recorders in > Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American studio players > (James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey, Larry Knechtel, > Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story on this. Al Casey once told me that he has no recollection of playing on any Everly Brothers sessions. Apparently session documents contradict this, but, if so, Al suspects it must have been one of those instances where he worked on backgrounds without knowing where they would wind up (which happened frequently). He said he's sure he would remember being in the studio with the Everly Brothers. Dan Nowicki Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:24:06 -0400 From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Jack Keller, RIP Jack Keller's funeral, though sad became a celebration of a wonderful man. I've known and worked with Jack for 25 years and was particularly happy to see many of his friends and family there. Tony Orlando gave a great Eulogy and we all went back to Robi (Jack's widow) and Jack's house. There was a who's who of music business business, including Toni Wine, Artie Kaplan, Bobby Feldman and many more. We told Jack Keller stories til we were worn out. The man was a fantastic man and leaves a legacy of love and great songs; I am proud to have known him. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Thee Prophets Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers. I recently purchased the lone LP by Milwaukee's Thee Prohpets, "Playgirl," which came out on Kapp in 1969. Mind you, this was a pig in a poke for me, since I'd never even heard the title track, which was the group's only national hit-- and not even a big one, only making #49 on Billboard. It's amazing how familiar this album sounds considering it's by a group I've never heard before! The title track is a great bubblegummy pop tune in the vein of the Buckinghams' Columbia hits.....but that pretty much sets the tone for the entire LP. Carl Bonafede managed and co-produced this group, and it sounds to me like he was trying to create the next Buckinghams--Thee Prophets even do a passive run-through of "Kind of a Drag." Indeed this stuff sounds like it's trapped in 1966 or '67--nothing sounds very "1969" to my ears. And quite frankly, I find much of the material here eminently forgettable. I read in the last online edition of "Fuzz Acid And Flowers" that Thee Prophets were a hard rock band that got turned into a pop group by the folks handling their career, and that does not surprise me at all. The hard, distorted guitars on "Magic Island" and "Heartbreak Avenue" are mixed in uneasily with the over-the-top strings and horns that Lew Douglas splattered all over the album. The demented, screaming lead vocal on "Double Life" and the on-the-beat/off-the- beat drumming of Chris Michaels seem to indicate that these guys were a rowdy garage band. Then again, lead guitarist Jim Anderson provides the only group-penned songs in the form soft, torturous ballads! One curiosity worth noting is a rare remake of an original Searchers tune, Chris Curtis' "I Pretend I'm With You," which is enjoyable despite the silly showbizzy horn arrangement. In all, a remarkable attempt to mold a band into a clone of a past sensation, and an album that is best appreciated as an intriguing artifact rather than an artistic statement. S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:38:41 -0400 From: Austin Roberts Subject: Welcome aboard, John Beland To my good buddy John Beland; Welcome aboard. Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:57:14 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: The Marquee Review Frank Murphy: > The Marquee Review and What Good Tomrrow is a currrent play on the > Northern Soul scene. Certainly Lenny Harkins plys it at the > Caledonia Soul Club in Glasgow. A copy sold for $510 last November: > http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext==Marquee+Revue&x==25&y==7 Mint minus. At that price it'd better be. I figure it had to be in better shape than my copy. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:09:22 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Everly Brothers Box Set? Has anyone seen a song list and graphics etc., for the Bear Family WB Everly Box set? Or even a release date? ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:13:41 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Thee Prophets S.J. Dibai: > Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers. I recently purchased the lone LP > by Milwaukee's Thee Prophets, "Playgirl," which came out on Kapp in > 1969. Mind you, this was a pig in a poke for me, since I'd never > even heard the title track, which was the group's only national hit- > - and not even a big one, only making #49 on Billboard. Great LP, and the guy who mastered it here in NYC was Don Van Gordon, who I knew from my days working at a tiny indie label in the '80s. Very nice guy, and great technical skills. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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