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Spectropop - Digest Number 1897



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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      2. Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Gary Mollica 
      3. The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran 
      4. The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Scott Swanson 
      5. The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Clark Besch 
      6. Re: Lesley Gore
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      7. Re: Bad Motown Splices
           From: John Fox 
      8. Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature
           From: Roy Clough 
      9. The Buoys' "Timothy"
           From: Phil Hall 
     10. Al Kooper's "New York's My Home ..."
           From: Dave 
     11. The Marquee Revue
           From: Joe Nelson 
     12. Bill Doggett on Sue Records
           From: ACJ 
     13. Re: Tom Austin(s)
           From: Gary Myers 
     14. KIMN/WABC jingle; Don Dannemann; early Paul Simon; Bat Carroll
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
           From: Rick H 
     16. L:eiber & Stoller
           From: Paul Underwood 
     17. Re: C'mon Let's Live A Little soundtrack album
           From: Nick Archer 
     18. Larry Brown
           From: John Beland 
     19. Re: The Buoys' "Timothy"
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. Re: The Cyrcle's "Please Don't Ever Leave Me"
           From: Justin McDevitt 
     21. Re: Bad splices
           From: Mikey 
     22. Re: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody"
           From: Austin Powell 
     23. Re: Sunflower, the label
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     24. The Moonrakers
           From: Clark Besch 
     25. Re: Bad Motown Splices
           From: Tony Leong 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:59:07 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" The Hollies' version "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" was released on their 1967 album "EVOLUTION". I like the Hollies, but for me The Searchers and Paul & Barry Ryan's versions are better. Richard www.richardsnow.co.uk -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Mollica Subject: Re: The Hollies' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" The Hollies recorded "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" on their almost- psych classic Evolution. For a while it was popular for bands recording original songs to create a pseudonym for their output. The Stones had Nanker Phelge, The Grateful Dead had McGanahan Skjellyfetti, & The Hollies had L. Ranford. Reissues are now under the actual bandmembers' names, so Have You ever... is now listed as by Clarke/Nash/Hicks. The Hollies was the backing band for The Everlys on Two Yanks In England as well as providing most of the songs. I didn't see the beginning of this thread so don't know if this was mentioned here before, but here's a link to a page full of Have You Ever Been Lonely complete with an interesting story by the recently deceased Chris Curtis: http://dosandernach.bei.t-online.de/hyels.htm All the best Gary Mollica Pasadena CA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran Subject: The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" Previously: > There's also a good version (of "Have You Ever Loved Somebody") by > The Everly Brothers on the album "Two Yanks In England" produced > by .............The Hollies. My version of "Two Yanks in England" is produced by Dick Glasser. Einar -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:37:11 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: The Everly Brothers' "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" Roy Clough writes: > "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" was also done by a Brit duo Paul and > Barry Ryan and incidentally was produced by The Searchers ex > drummer Chris Curtis, who passed away recently. There's also a good > version by The Everly Bothers on the album "Two Yanks In England" > produced by .............The Hollies. FYI......"Two Yanks In England" is finally going to see an official CD release -- Tuesday! http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM05582 Collector's Choice is re-issuing the Everlys' entire Warner catalog on CD this month, along with a rarities CD called "Too Good To Be True". "Two Yanks" is the best album The Hollies never released. ;) Later, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:20:43 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" Seems like I have a pic sleeve 45 on German Hansa with the Aussie (?) duo, the Young Idea, doing "Peculiar Situation" and "Have You Ever Loved somebody", but not sure if that was the B side or not. I tried to find the 45 quickly, but as usual, was unable to, so don't quote me on this one. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:23:30 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Lesley Gore Anthony Parsons wrote: > ... Listen to "You Didn't Look Round" on that same LP and you'll > find evidence of Lesley not singing the exact same notes on her 2nd > vocal pass. I find it amazing that she was able to sing so many of > her songs with double-tracked vocals so well. I wonder why she was double-tracked so often -- my understanding is that the technique was usually reserved to mask the inadequacies of far less talented singers than Miss Gore. Needing QUADRUPLE tracking myself, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:04:08 EDT From: John Fox Subject: Re: Bad Motown Splices Previously: > I always noticed a bad cut-off during "You Can't Hurry Love". There's a similar-type splice in another Motown hit from just about the same time (and with the same bass rhythm), "Ready For Love". Right before the last verse, after Martha sings her last "...ready for love", there is a very obvious splice just before the Vandellas come in with their "I'm ready, right now" vocals. Not quite as bad as the vocal splice on "You Can't Hurry Love", but quite noticeable. Maybe things weren't going as perfectly as we thought at Motown in the Fall of 1966. John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:09:48 -0000 From: Roy Clough Subject: Re:SpectroPopcorn Double Feature Artie Wayne wrote: > Roy...How ya' doin'? Sorry I don't have a copy of "Popcorn Double > Feature" which I produced on Tim Wilde...but our pal Clark Blesch > might be able to locate one. Last year he sent me an article on Tim > and I in some teen magazine...so he knows about the record. Thanks Artie. If you have nothing to do at some point take a look at: http://www.searchers.rickresource.com/ > CLOUGH LINKS. You will see why the interest. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:24:19 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: The Buoys' "Timothy" Previously: > Another similarly poor edit was done to "Timothy" by the Buoys...... > for more "radio-friendly" lyrics. Let's see: Hungry as heck (no > food to eat) and Joe said that it would sure be nice to munch on > something sweet? Amazing how far they were willing to go to protect > people's ears. You must have a different version than I do. On the version I have on 45, the words are clearly: "Hungry as hell, no food to eat And Joe said that he would sell his soul For just a piece of meat" And I'm pretty sure that's the same version that got played on the radio; at least in the Syracuse, NY area. A former buddy of mine, Tom Navagh, was the bass player for the group that the Buoys metapmorphosed into; Dakota. Phil H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:41:05 -0000 From: Dave Subject: Al Kooper's "New York's My Home ..." Speaking of rare 45's, I have another 45 in my collection that I call the original beginnings of "I Can't Quit Her". Remember "New York's My Home (Razz-A-Ma-Tazz)" on Aurora 164? Please tell me something about this song. Dave the Rave www.davetherave.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:43:05 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: The Marquee Revue Poking around in the Box earlier, I ran across a couple of oddities by what looks like a Northern Soul group out of Omaha: What Good Tomorrow / Don't Talk Of Love (Pacific Avenue 464) Comin' Back / I Had A Dream (Butterick 101) Just had to scrub 'em up and rip 'em all. "What Good Tomorrow" seems to be the best of the lot. The Butterick disc had a reference to 9- 465 on the label - hmmm, consecutive to 464. Looks like a vanity press operation. Anyone got any ideas about these guys? Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:06:50 -0400 From: ACJ Subject: Bill Doggett on Sue Records The recent discussion of the late Juggy Murray and Sue Records calls this to mind: A long time ago, I had a Sue single called "Si Si Cisco" b/w "Fat Back" by Bill Doggett (of "Honky Tonk" fame). Anyone know if either of these tracks (esp. "Fat Back") have ever been released on CD? Thanks. ACJ "Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:13:46 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Tom Austin(s) Dave: > One Tom Austin that it definitely is not...Tom Austin the original > drummer of the Royal Teens ... In fact, once when I spoke with the Sherman-Clay Tom, I asked him if that was him. Of course, he would have been quite young, even for a teen band, but I wanted to be sure. > ... Tom Austin is still playing some gigs with the current edition > of the Royal Teens. Do they go as the Royal Geezers now? gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:00:14 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: KIMN/WABC jingle; Don Dannemann; early Paul Simon; Bat Carroll Sean Anglum: > ...the Moonrakers' webpag: www.moonrakers.us... Amazing what you find posted in Spectropop and on the web! On this page - http://www.moonrakers.us/KIMN%20jingle%202.mp3 - is the KIMN, Denver version of the WABC, New York "Jimmy Smith Sonovox jingle." It's probably not Jimmy Smith on the organ, but it's close to his style; in New York, the Sonovox sang "WABC" instead of the KIMN slogans. Somewhere I have an old reel-to-reel copy of this given to me by the late Rick Sklar, PD of WABC when it was *really* WABC. I don't have a player for the tape - and haven't heard the jingle in years till now - but I'd love to have an mp3 of this version or the original. Sadly, I can't capture it from this website. Can anyone help, please? Off-list is fine. Thank you in advance! Stewart Epstein wrote: > I used to love a group called "The Cyrkle."...they had a sweet > little song called "Please Don't Ever Leave Me" which I thought was > very under-rated... Gotta pitch for my fave by them, "I Wish You Could Be Here" - I've also heard a solo Paul Simon demo of it which is equally gorgeous but, of course, sparer. Incidentally, I used to do voice-overs with Cyrkle singer/writer Don Dannemann at his studio in New York. He sold it a couple of years ago and retired to the Poconos in Pennsylvania. Speaking of Paul Simon, I received the CD on Bonus, "Paul Simon aka Jerry Landis, Work In Progress Volume 1." The high point is indeed The Cosines' [Simon and Carole King] unique version of "Just To Be With You," which is truly quite beautiful. There are also a couple of solo Art Garfunkel - that is, Artie Garr - songs; his voice was already amazing even if the music wasn't. Sadly, I find that's true for most of this album. Simon sings very well, acquits himself admirably on guitar - and often on multiple vocal and instrumental overdubs for his demos - and there are occasional moments when you hear the fledging lyrical ability of his future work trying to break out of the overweening and self-limiting "teenage" world of these songs. But mainly I wonder what labels such as MGM, Warwick and Canadian-American heard in the tracks they released which are included here; perhaps they hoped to emulate the success of Jerry Landis' "Lone Teen Ranger," Tom & Jerry's "Hey School Girl," and Tico & The Triumphs' nifty "Motorcycle," none of which are on this CD. Also absent is Simon's non-billed lead singing on the semi-hit by The Mystics, "All Through The Night" (Laurie 3047, 1960), as well as two other non-hit sides by that group. That said, one of the curiosities that engaged me on this CD is an unreleased 1960 recording of "A Different Kind of Love" (wr. Don Wolf & Ben Raleigh), also recorded by one Bat Carroll (Ace 601, 1960; flip is "Grow Up" written by Mac Rebennack, i.e., "Dr. John"). It's late here in the eastern US, so I can't check out the 45 (I'd wake my wife) but will report back; as I remember, Simon's track sounds a lot like Bat Carroll's, but it's been a while since I heard it. (Carroll also had at least one more record; I'm not familiar with "Aw Who" (Ace 570, 1959), but Dr. John is backing him on that track, which was reissued on a Westside CD, "Return of the Mac: Dr. John, 1959-1961.") A final note on this CD: highest compliments to Bim-Bam Records for the speedy transatlantic service. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:27:43 -0000 From: Rick H Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits ...or Two Threads For The Price of One! My vote for the Spectropop "Worst Tape Edit Ever Award" has to go to Bob Crewe for that hideous train wreck which occurs at 1:35 on Diane Renay's otherwise-wonderful "Bell Bottom Trousers" on the NAVY BLUE LP. It's so bad it throws the harmonics off. My three-decade grudge (it was the first LP I ever bought, which explains a lot) turned to outright bitterness upon purchasing the CD of same. Guess what? They couldn't find the masters so I guess that rotten Elastoplast splice will be how the track will front up for The Final Judgment. And now my Eddie Rambeau CD has an unexplained (and unfixable, and unplayable) gouge right across "My Name Is Mud" - the best thing on the disc. Of course Bob Crewe's to blame for everything but it's great that George Schowerer is on the board: Mitch Ryder's WHAT NOW MY LOVE LP is an all-time fave of mine and the sound is spectacular - I'm playing it right now. Well engineered melodrama is its own reward. But how 'bout those liner notes putting Mitch in the same league as Monroe, Mandrake, Judy Garland, Mickey Mantle and RFK? Common sense cetainly prevailed when they sealed that crap inside a gatefold!!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:56:03 +0200 From: Paul Underwood Subject: L:eiber & Stoller Mick Patrick wrote: > I'm busy researching the songs of Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller Does this mean that the follow-up to last year's excellent Volume One of the Leiber and Stoller story is imminent? That solidly researched first volume covered the period up to 1956 and included many pleasant surprises. Keep up the good work. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:10:21 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: C'mon Let's Live A Little soundtrack album Here's the track info for the soundtrack album: C'mon, Let's Live A Little - Opening Main Title Instant Girl - Bobby Vee Baker Man - Jackie DeShannon C'mon Let's Live A Little - Suzie Kaye What Fool This Mortal Be - Bobby Vee Tonight's The Night - The Pair For Granted - Jackie DeShannon Back-Talk - Bobby Vee & Jackie DeShannon Over And Over - Bobby Vee Let's Go Go - Eddie Hodges Way Back Home - Ethel Smith & Don Crawford C'mon Let's Live A Little - End Title If anyone wants to hear any of this, email me off-list. Nick Archer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:31:18 -0000 From: John Beland Subject: Larry Brown For those interested, Larry Brown played drums on two singles of mine..."Baby You Come Rollin Cross My Mind" and "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow." I had the pleasure of working with Larry on numerous sessions in Hollywood in the late 60's and early 70's. I always liked his drumming...very aggresive but very commercial. I wonder what ever happened to him? Anyone know? John Beland www.johnbeland.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:59:44 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: The Buoys' "Timothy" Previously: > Another similarly poor edit was done to "Timothy" by the Buoys...... > for more "radio-friendly" lyrics. Let's see: Hungry as heck (no > food to eat) and Joe said that it would sure be nice to munch on > something sweet? Amazing how far they were willing to go to protect > people's ears. The version mentioned above is a special DJ edit which is VERY poorly "punched" in to the original version. The sound quality of the punch in is terrible as well, making it really unplayable for radio, even if they wanted to play it!! It was a special Scepter DJ release. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:56:38 -0500 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Re: The Cyrcle's "Please Don't Ever Leave Me" Stewart Epstein wrote: > I used to love a group called "The Cyrkle."...they had a sweet > little song called "Please Don't Ever Leave Me". This is a favorite Cyrkle tune of mine. It really captures that Renaissance pop sound of the mid-60s era. The harmonic blend of voices on this song is also uplifting. Also on the Neon LP is the magical folk/rock song I Wish You Could Be Here, (written by Paul Simon) and mentioned in previous S'pop discussions. Again, this track is one of my all-time favorites and always brings to mind a rainy early spring Sunday afternoon in NYC with this guy sitting in his apartment, feeling restless, thinking about a real or imagined female to share the afternoon with. Yours in peace, Justin McDevitt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:45:43 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Bad splices MY vote for worst tape splice has got to be that hideous edit of "Let It Be" for single release. Right in the middle of Georges guitar solo, that splice is jarring as all hell. And to top it, Phil Spector did it!! The man who spent 2 full days mixing "loving Feeling" let that horrible edit go out into the world!!! Bad, Phil, bad!!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:36:07 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: The Young Idea's "Have You Ever Loved Somebody" Clark Besch found a German pressing.... The Young Idea were a British duo, but "Have You Ever...." wasn't the B side of the UK release of "Peculiar Situation". I don't think that track appeared on any of the 4 or 5 singles they released on EMI's Columbia label. They made the Uk charts once with the Beatles' song "With A Little Help....". Their names escape me as well. Austin P -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:34:10 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: Sunflower, the label Schrieb Leslie Fradkin: > Sunflower's roster choices were guided by two elements: > 1) The musical taste of Mack David and Danny Kessler (Owners) and > 2) Money (geez, what else?) > Mack, as you may know was an accomplished and well known MOR > songwriter ("It Must Be Him", "Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White", > "Baby, It's You") and Danny was a great industry hustler whose taste > ran more rock than Mack's. Most releases were driven by top 40 > mentality, nothing more. Albums were afterthoughts in some cases. > Dickie Monda got his LP out because his single went so big. Thank you Les, another knowledge gap closed with the help of the wonderful world of Spectropop. I have a promo 7" of Tony Scotti (who later launched the Scotti Brothers label) with a nice Bacharachesque song called "It Won't Hurt To Try It" (SUN 109) written by Ken Alison. Arr. and cond. by Tommy Oliver. Prod. by Oliver and Scotti himself. I knew the two worked already together on Scottis LP for Liberty Records resulting from his "Valley Of The Dolls" fame. But I had no idea who was responsible for sowing the seed of the Sunflower label. Frank Jastfelder -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:33:28 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: The Moonrakers Sean Anglum wrote: > For anyone from Denver, front range of Colorado or the Rocky > Mountain region, you remember "I Don't Believe" as a giant hit for > Denver's fabulous Moonrakers... Sean, some great memories! We vacationed in Colorado every year in the 60's. My fave Moonrakers is "It's Alright" cover--great overmodulation! You musta been groovin with KYSN in the Springs. Always thought it cool that the cover of their radio surveys had the street sign for Haight-Ashbury on the cover. More appropriate for a Boulder station, likely. Loved KIMN--great station, great Djs and nor afraid to play locals and obscurities. The Astronauts and Higher Elevation also got good local airplay. Thanks again. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:40:54 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: Re: Bad Motown Splices Previously: > I always noticed a bad cut-off during "You Can't Hurry Love". Hey Spectropop Gang: I should be posting these things about the odd Supremes and Vandellas splices on a Motown-board, but since they are brought up here--why not!!!!!???? Anyway John, that splice in the middle of "I'm Ready For Love" exists on the mono master. If you listen to the stereo version of that song, you will hear the Vandellas/ Andantes sing ".."I'm Ready, I'm Ready, Right Now, Right now". THAT part was edited out of the final mix that we all hear on the single mono version of the song. So, "I'm Ready For Love" was initially about 10 seconds longer than the version that you refer to that we all love. Oh, LOTS of those great Motown songs that we all know have vocal lines and chunks of the songs cut out from the original studio takes. For instance, the Four Tops originally SANG lyrics during the instrumental break of "I Cant Help Myself", and Wanda Young had an entire verse cut out of the release of "The Hunter Gets Captured By The Game"!!! However these edits did not turn out to sound like bad splices. More in the Spectropop realm-- although these are not bad splices, just edits, did you know that the Dixie Cups sang a whole extra verse during the break of "Gee Baby Gee", and Mary Weiss sang a whole verse after her dialogue with MaryAnn and Margie at the fade out of "Give Him A Great Big Kiss"??? Tony Leong -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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