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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Breakaways
           From: S'pop Projects 
      2. Being Blonde
           From: Mick Patrick 
      3. Re: Terry Black
           From: Margaret G Still 
      4. Back to Reparata
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      5. Re: CD Reissues
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      6. Lugee question
           From: Country Paul 
      7. R. B. Greaves
           From: John Beland 
      8. Arthur Lee Harper
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      9. Terry Melcher and Eddie Hodges; Kenny Hamber
           From: Country Paul 
     10. Re: Wadsworth Mansion
           From: Orion 
     11. Re: CD Reissues
           From: Barry Margolis 
     12. Re: Alternate verses in oldies
           From: Gary Myers 
     13. Re: CD Reissues
           From: John Berg 
     14. Re: Re: CD Reissues
           From: Lloyd Davis 
     15. Re: R. B. Greaves
           From: Joe Nelson 
     16. Friar Tuck
           From: Mike Dugo 
     17. Re: R. B. Greaves
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
     18. Welcome John Beland
           From: Clark Besch 
     19. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
     20. Re: Alternate verses in oldies
           From: Artie Wayne 
     21. cases of mistaken identity?
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:54:19 +0100 From: S'pop Projects Subject: The Breakaways New @ S'pop The Breakaways By Ian Chapman and Mick Patrick Foreword by Tony Hatch Postscript by Petula Clark In Detroit, Michigan — at Motown Records — they had the Andantes. Nashville, Tennessee — Music City — boasted the Anita Kerr Singers. In Memphis, they had Jean and the Darlings at Stax, and Rhodes/ Chalmers/Rhodes at Hi Records. And out West — in Hollywood, Los Angeles — they had the Blossoms, while New York was home to the Sweet Inspirations and the Cookies. It seems that, in the 1960s, in every major recording metropolis, there existed groups of studio singers who ruled the roost, backing up all the local talent and passing stars. London, England was no exception. Greet the Breakaways — fresh out of Liverpool — possibly the busiest and greatest session group the British recording scene has ever known. For the full story, click here: http://www.spectropop.com/Breakaways/index.htm Enjoy, The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:40:58 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Being Blonde Julio Niño - our photophobe in Madrid - mentioned: > ... some songs that celebrate the sex appeal of paleness, like > Mina's "Tintarella Di Luna" (dyed by the moon), ... Aah, as covered in the UK by the very blonde Lana Sisters, featuring a pre-fame Dusty Springfield. I don't think I've heard it, but I'd be stunned if it's as good as the wonderful Mina. > ... or my favorite, "Rubia" (blonde), by Spanish yeyé singer Lita > Torrelló ... in which she sings that she wants to be blonde and > pale, and so she only goes to the beach by night and she only > drinks milk. Of course, coming from a racial Spanish girl, that > wish has some hilarious connotations, just imagine let's say Diana > Ross (or perhaps Michael Jackson) singing it, and you'll get the > idea. I could play it in musica, if a certain magician feels like > shaking again his magic stick. 'Tis done. Lita reminds me of Susan Maughan, only more, uh, blonde. To hear it, proceed directly to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Details are: Lita Torrelló "Rubia, Rubia" (Spanish EP Vergara 402-XC, 1966) Written by Limiti and Martini, so probably a cover of an Italian original, Julio informs me. I believe consuming only pale food is one of the latest fad diets. Wouldn't do for me, I hate white bread for starters. Or any other course. Ha! I have a thing about blondes myself. Back in the day, I used to edit a fanzine, one issue of which was devoted entirely to platinum- tressed chantoozies, an A to Z, actually. It was all very non-PC, but who cares? I planned to do a follow-up issue on the same theme, but never quite did. For a while afterwards, I even collected records about being blonde - a narrow little genre to explore, I thought. My absolute favourite is a 45 entitled "The Blonde Wig" by R&B songstress Effie Smith. Maybe one day I'll play it to musica. In the meantime, I need a glass of milk. Hey la, Mick Patrick (quite pallid, actually) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:43:57 -0000 From: Margaret G Still Subject: Re: Terry Black James Botticelli wrote: > Terry Black - Can We Go Somewhere? - Tollie Hi -I love those lists of 45 "finds" so please continue. I also have that 45, which was produced by P. F. Sloan and Steve Barri. Both sides of that record are on Terry Black's LP's "The Black Plague" (a singles compilation) and "Only 16." Both albums were reissued on CD on the Canadian Unidisc label a few years ago. I got interested in Terry Black through his P.F. Sloan connection. For more on that, go to: http://www2.gol.com/users/davidr/sloan/terryblack.html I wonder whether anybody knows the story of how Terry Black met P. F. Sloan when his family moved to L.A. in the 60's, or has any stories about their recordings. Best, Margaret G. Still -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:34:34 +0100 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Back to Reparata Reading postings on S'pop quite often has me scurrying to my record collection to play a side I havn't heard in years. I recently did this with "I Can Hear The Rain" by Reparata & Delrons. Flipping it over I was delighted to find their version of the Paris Sisters' "Always Waitin'" where they are accompanied by Hash Brown & his Orch. I then read the composer M. Curb! I have since learnt there was a U K version of "Always Waitin'" on Parlophone by a Barry Benson in 1966 which I missed by a whisker on Ebay. Has anyone heard this one? Ken On The West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:57:46 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: CD Reissues George Schowerer wrote: > One of the major problems with re-issues is that no thought is > given toward having the people originally involved with the release > and not asked to be part of the re-recording. The result so often is > that they add equalization and stuff not of the original. So true and sad - there's been so many classic tracks tampered with. Some of today's remastering engineers weren't even born when these songs were recorded. Most have no clue and wont take the time or have the money to find out how they sounded on the orginal vinyl. And now that record companies demand every recording has to be as LOUD as a modern Rap or Dance record, remastering engineers are clipping the bass and over-EQ'ing the high end on old recordings. I noticed that on RCA's Elvis 1 & "2nd to None" collections and some of Universal's 20th Century Remastering budget CD's. They might sound great on a car stereo, CD Jambox or a Ipod but when you play them on a good system. > As for the Crewe stuff ... we would complete the mix at Allegro or > Mirasound, and Bob would take the dam tape to Bell Sound where they > would add everything you could think of ... sometimes echo, > sometimes eq. Any reccolections on a recording where Crewe really tampered with what you did? One of my favorites is Tracey Dey's "I Can Tell" where Crewe went crazy with the reverb, volume, compression etc. It sounded like he added those effects in the final mastering stage. > Even the first Simon and Garfunkel cd's suffered those problems. I > compared the cd to my 15ips safety and got sick ... then called Roy > Halle, their original engineer to alert him to the terrible > transfers ... bottom line is that S & G took Roy back into the > studio to properly transfer their material to cd ... but there have > been even further transfers done since then that are less than > great. I read somewhere (maybe CD Review magazine) that the S&G masters were in horrible shape due to them being used and re-used many times. In the 80's record companies rushed out a truckload of reissues to cash in on the CD boom, many times NOT from the original master tapes, but from the hiss filled production masters. To add insult they deleted the original liner notes, lyrics, photos, etc. And the sad thing is many are still on the shelves after almost 20 years and still havent been redone, and these inferior masters are still being played on oldies and classic rock stations around the country. > It's a sad commentary for the money hungry record associations who > think your pockets should be picked ... continuously. Old Wine in new bottles... they gotta find a way to resell those old songs to a new generation. It's a constant headache to collectors. (I made this list for another mailing list a few years ago): How many times a song can be reissued? Vinyl/Tape era 1) Original 45 2) Original LP featuring the hit single 3) "Greatest Hits" LP 4) Career retrospective 2-LP set 5) Various artists oldies LP 6) Movie/TV soundtrack 7) Reissue oldie 45 8) Budget reissue of the original LP 9) Another "Greatest Hits" collection 10-20 years later. 10) Vinyl box set CD era 1) First reissue of the original LP on CD 2) First reissue of the first "Greatest Hits" LP on CD 3) 3 inch "Little bit of gold" mini-CD (Rhino) 4) Many MANY many "Hits of the 60's" various artists CD's 5) 12' Dance Remix (arrgh!) 6) Movie/TV Soundtrack 7) Career retrospective Box Set 8) Label/Genre retrospective box set 9) 6-8 song budget compilation with a few hits and strangly picked album tracks for the $5.99 CD bins and truck stops (Sony Special Products) 10) First remaster of original album from "The original master tapes" with comprehensive liner notes, bonus tracks, photos etc. 11) Two original LP's on one CD compilation (Motown, MCA, ACE) 12) Karakoe version with vocals mixed out (Motown) 13) Brand new 1 or 2-CD compilation, heavily advertised on late night TV. 14) $9.99 upscale "20th Century Masters" 12 song compilation. 15) Second remaster of original album LP, now with improved 24-bit remastering with louder bass/treble, along with new "reciently discovered" bonus tracks or remixes that proably should have stayed in the can. 16) 5:1 Surround Sound DVD version 17) "The First Four Albums" box set 18) 180 Gram limited edition LP reissue for the vinyl fanatics 20) Online I-Tunes/Rapsody/Napster sales.. And the hits just-a keep on comin'! Billy G. Spradlin http://listen.to/jangleradio -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:02:26 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Lugee question Mick Patrick wrote: > And talking of members on display (:-0), the more investigative > among you might have already gawped at the latest addition to > the photos section, a carefully posed shot of Sheila's current > heartthrob, the incredibly talented, impressively flexible and > furry bottomed Mr Lou Christie. It's worth a glance: > http://tinyurl.com/3p38x Rob replied: > I'd venture a good guess that this shot was taken as promotion > for the "Paint America Love" LP (1971), since those very words > are painted on his body. And, yes, QUITE an amazing pic, by the > way. Is that really Lou, or his head pasted on a bodybuilder's promo pic? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:43:34 -0000 From: John Beland Subject: R. B. Greaves John Beland here... New To Spectropop. Hey... Cool site! Glad to be on board. Whatever happened to R. B. Greaves? I worked with him on "Take A Letter Maria". Always wondered what became of him. John Beland http://www.johnbeland.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:35:39 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Arthur Lee Harper What's the story with the Arthur Lee Harper song "Wintertime" currently play at musica? It's a beautiful number! Who is he, and where can one find more? --Phil M. -- please note new EMA! (replaces previous) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:30:59 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Terry Melcher and Eddie Hodges; Kenny Hamber Previously; > After many months of hard toil, Martin Roberts has completed work > on a brand new addition to his Jack Nitzsche @ Spectropop pages, > "The Producers: Terry Melcher".... What an impressive undertaking, Martin! It's quite the read; I'm impressed. It's good to see the Gentle Soul get a brief but appropriately laudatory mention, as to hear (via links) more of Eddie Hodges work. I was just turned on to his version of "New Orleans" (the US Bonds classic), and while Hodges' track is a bit over- orchestrated (no Nitzsche involvement on this) he nonetheless rocks out very credibly, and with help from a solid track actually captures most of the feeling of the original - and in higher fidelity, too. Me: > Is this the same label that had Kenny Hamber (with David > Robertson's combo) doing "Tears In My Eyes"? [...] Delightfully > atrocious! (And oddly enough, Kenny Hamber actually recorded again > on a real label, Kapp.) Hasse Huss: > A different SPAR label entirely, tiny but real, owned by Baltimore > radio jock Bill “Sparky” Mullen (WSID). The primitive-sounding > ‘Tears In My Eyes’ (Spar 101) was subsequently re-recorded in New > York (with King Curtis amongst the backing musicians) and released > on Spar’s sister label Zenette in the following year (1961)....The > complete Kenny Hamber story may be found at Blues Art Story > Journal’s website: > http://www.bluesartstudio.at/NeueSeiten/07KHLB.html I was totally unaware that Kenny Hamber had such an illustrious history; a first release such as the Spar 45 would have doomed lesser humans. (I'm also amazed that Spar managed two more releases after that one; for a label owned by a DJ, I'm surprised that first one got out. I got my copy for a penny - literally - at a massive "vinyl dump" at the old Times Square Records.) I also didn't know that Hamber was living in both Providence and Hartford contemporaneous with my time in those cities. Thank you for the illuminating look. By the way, I could have sworn I'd seen his name on a Kapp 45, Hasse, but I could well be wrong. (It wouldn't be the first time...) Country Paul (imperfect, but striving) P. S. Welcome back, Al Kooper - we missed you. How was your tour? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:38:19 -0600 From: Orion Subject: Re: Wadsworth Mansion Wadsworth Mansion, I have that LP also. I converted to a CD-R and listen to it once in a while. It is amazing the number of decent to good groups that never had a hit. I just converted Harper and Rowe to CD-R this past weekend and I have listened to it many times. I don't have any idea who these guys where but they have a few tunes on their LP that should have been hits. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:28:25 -0600 From: Barry Margolis Subject: Re: CD Reissues George: I surely don't know what CD reissues you're referring to. Most of the CD's I own of 1950's/1960's music is vastly superior in sound to the original LP's. I have scads of CDs from: US Sundazed, UK Ace/Big Beat, Ger. Repertoire and UK RPM. Most of them are just great. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:33:02 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Alternate verses in oldies Artie Wayne: > I never knew there was a second verse to Sam Cooke's "A Change is > Gonna Come" until I heard it in the opening credits of Spike Lee's > "Malcolm X". IIRC, Cooke's hit single was AABA - 3 verse & bridge. We used to it in '65-'66. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:43:35 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: CD Reissues Barry Margolis wrote: > Most of the CD's I own of 1950's/1960's music is vastly superior in > sound to the original LP's. I have scads of CDs from: US Sundazed, > UK Ace/Big Beat, Ger. Repertoire and UK RPM. Most of them are just > great. But Barry, you are referring to the select few labels that go against the grain and actually care about the sound, work as much as possible from real master tapes (especially Ace/Big Beat, usually Sundazed), and try to add unissued material if it exists. I think the main discussion here concerns the "major labels" and their approach to reissues, which for the most part has been oriented to the mass market and "the bottom line", not quality of sound and packaging. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:01:55 -0500 From: Lloyd Davis Subject: Re: Re: CD Reissues To Billy's list of CD permutations, I can think of a few additions: 8a) All-new "Greatest Hits" CD, released after the box set and compiled by lifting the best 20 or so tracks from it (Polydor did this after the James Brown "Star Time" box, as did Columbia after the Byrds box) 16a) For those without a 5.1 system, new stereo remixes assembled by synching up tapes that had to be bounced down at the time because there were only three or four tracks (see Beatles "Yellow Submarine Songtrack," particularly "Eleanor Rigby) or the producer only worked in mono (see the Pet Sounds box set) 17a) If not a "first four albums" box set, then a reworked box set -- perhaps sourced from the original multitracks (see Simon & Garfunkel) rather than the two-track master and with a less heavy-handed approach to hiss reduction 18a) Along with the 180-gram virgin vinyl, a two-CD set, available only through mail order, comprising the album in mono _and_ stereo, and with whatever might be in the can that hasn't been issued yet (see Hip-O Select, Rhino Handmade) -Lloyd Davis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:37 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: R. B. Greaves John Beland: > John Beland here... New To Spectropop. Hey... Cool site! Glad to be > on board. Whatever happened to R. B. Greaves? I worked with him on > "Take A Letter Maria". Always wondered what became of him. Not sure what happened to him, but his ex is a member of this list. Claire's on sabatical due to health reasons: if I'm able to talk with her over the next few days I'll post on her behalf. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Dugo Subject: Friar Tuck Phil M: > Any chance that's the same Friar Tuck as per the Mercury LP "Friar > Tuck & His Psychedelic Guitar"? I imagine not, as the latter (from > c.1967) was the brainchild of Curt Boettcher and (primarily) > guitarist Mike Deasy, but now you've got me curious if the > unfortunately-named Mr. Bowell wasn't also involved. Sorry, Phil...It's a completely different act. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:09:45 -0700 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: R. B. Greaves John Beland wrote: > Whatever happened to R. B. Greaves? I worked with him on "Take A > Letter Maria". Always wondered what became of him. One interesting thing that happened to R.B. is that he did a single for Sunflowere (MGM) Records called "Margie, Who's Watching The Baby?" I recorded for Sunflower as their first artist back in 1970 and always thought RB's disc quite cool. Les "Fearless" Fradkin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:09:48 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Welcome John Beland John Beland, so good to have you here. I emailed and talked with you a few years ago about one of your first recordings, "Wake Up Sweet Mary", which I recorded off Rate-a-Record on Bandstand in early 1968. Was this your first solo effort? I know you said it was never released publicly, but an acetate got to Dick Clark. Personally, I really liked the song and posted here on Musica for a time. You told me about your great website and I realized I had heard you alot, unlike what i had thought all these decades. Until I knew you had done so much behind the scenes and group music, I had had very sporadic memories. First, early 68 with "Wake Up sweet mary", and then it was the GREAT long version of "Baby You Come Rollin Cross my Mind" which showed up as a BIG hit in Wichita in 69. Is that in stereo anywhere? Then, I knew nothing about you till a local station played "Banjo man" in the early 70's. After that, I knew nothing of your massive career until I met you on the net. For those who do not know John's work, I suggest visiting his site. One question I wonder about nowadays. Did you know Lobo? I ask, because he had a nice long ballad intro to his first hit "Me & You and a Dog Named Boo" on his Lp version that is very similar to your long intro of "Baby You Come rollin..." 2 years earlier. Another artist in the same vein of that period was Kyle, who I believe produces country music these days. Whatever happened to Lobo? Anyway, welcome, John!!! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:25:56 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update Celebrating the launch of Terry Melcher's pages on the Jack Nitzsche site, guest reviewer Mick Patrick has written a piece on Terry Day's "I Love You Betty". Despite Mick's wish to include the track on "Hearing Is Believing - The Jack Nitzsche Story", permission from Sony/Columbia was not forthcoming. (The CD on ACE records should be in the shops soon.) As the next best thing, the record can be heard (and the review read) on the Home page: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm >From there you can link to The Producers Page for the Terry Melcher feature: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/producers.htm Also be sure to visit On The Radio for Jack's KHJ jingle #7: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Alternate verses in oldies Gary...How ya' doin'? I never had an actual copy of Sam Cooke's "A Change is Gonna"...and all that I remember is hearing New York radio playing it without the second verse. Since the song was a harbinger of the Civil Rights movement, it's possible that it was edited out because it was considered "too controversial" at the time. regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:32:41 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: cases of mistaken identity? In the course of some recent research and collecting activities, a few possible discrepancies of recording artist identity have come to light. I'm wondering if anyone can help me sort out any of the following ID tangles: 1. Is the Willie Mays of a 45 on Duke, "My Sad Heart" / "If You Love Me" (Duke 350 on original release in 1962; Duke 418 upon 1966 re- release), the same as the Hall of Fame centerfielder Willie Mays? (The Treniers' 1954 record of "Say Hey (The Willie Mays Song)," in which the ballplayer of the title (then playing in what would be his greatest, and only World Series-winning, season) makes a cameo appearance is self-explanatory.) 2. Is the Ronnie Burns of a 45 on Verve, "Double Date" / "Kinda Cute" (Verve 10125, 1958) the same Ronnie Burns as the spawn of George Burns and Gracie Allen? 3. Is the Jack Larson of a series of 45s on Fraternity and Dot in the late 1950s and early 1960s (list below) the same Jack Larson as who played Jimmy Olsen in the Superman series (George Reeves version)? A singer by that name also appears in the recently-aired movie "C'mon Let's Live A Little." Little Miss Starry Eyes / Roaches (Fraternity 853, 1959) Autumn Heart / Drifting Down The River (Fraternity 865, 1960) We're Going Back / Do Yourself A Favor (Dot 16350, 1961) Hammer Bell Song / The Way She Laughs (Fraternity 875, 1961) Back To School Blues / Lonely Part Of Town (Fraternity 884, 1961) The Beauty / ? (Fraternity 894, 1962) 4. And finally, is the Paul Petersen of "Donna Reed Show" and Colpix Records fame the same as the Paul Petersen who recorded two singles for Motown in the late 1960s (list below)? Chained / Don't Let It Happen To You (Motown 1108, 1967) A Little Bit For Sandy / Your Love's Got Me Burnin' Alive (Motown 1129, 1968) Thanks for any info that might help me sort out any or all of these cats. Dig, --Phil M. -- please note new EMA! (replaces previous) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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