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Spectropop - Digest Number 1877



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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Reparata & Delrons picture
           From: Brent Cash 
      2. Re: Motown in the UK
           From: Frank Murphy 
      3. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Dave O'Gara 
      4. Re: Dobie Gray's "Rose Garden"?
           From: Dave O'Gara 
      5. Re: Beach Boys: Lost & Found
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      6. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Bill Mulvy 
      7. Re: The Romans; Premier artists
           From: Fred Clemens 
      8. Re: "Jenny Lee"
           From: Fred Clemens 
      9. Honey Ltd. article
           From: Jonathan Ward 
     10. Re: At The Disco-heh?
           From: Hans Huss 
     11. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
     12. Re: "A Hard Day's Night" mystery chord now playing at musica
           From: Joe Nelson 
     13. Re: Delrons photo
           From: Tony Waitekus 
     14. Re: Monterey musicians
           From: Rex Patton 
     15. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Eddy Smit 
     16. Re: Love & Light from Claire Francis
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     17. Heavy Bubblegum
           From: Dave Monroe 
     18. Re:  Mamas and Papas on PBS
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     19. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     20. Re: Three Bells / Satin Bells
           From: Dave Monroe 
     21. Re: Keren Ann
           From: Dave Monroe 
     22. remake of "Mr. Blue" (by The Fleetwoods)
           From: Boomer 
     23. Re: Chubby Checker - Northern Soul
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     24. Re: Crabby Appleton
           From: Bill Craig 
     25. the Mamas and Papas on PBS and Monterey Pop
           From: Artie Wayne 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:57:35 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Reparata & Delrons picture Hi everyone. Dave Monroe mentioned the fine Reparata & The Delrons feature from Cha Cha Charming: http://www.chachacharming.com/article.php?id=9 I was wondering if, in the second picture (set in London), the person listed as Steve Jerome could actually be Kenny Young. I haven't seen any pictures of Bill or Steve Jerome before -- perhaps our man Austin Roberts can confirm, as I believe he worked with the Real Good Production team in the late '60's. Enquiring best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:26:56 -0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: Re: Motown in the UK Richard Williams wrote: > Many thanks to all who replied, on and off list, to my request > for information on the Motown tour of the UK in 1965, which > began 40 years ago on Sunday with two shows at the Astoria, > Finsbury Park -- which was later known as the Rainbow, and is > now the headquarters of a religious sect. I still haven't sorted > out the personnel of the Earl Van Dyke Sextet (apart from Jack > Ashford), but retain hopes of unearthing further facts. I don't know if you saw this but bankhousedave on soulfuldetroit.com dug it out for me: "Jack Ashford lists them in his book: himself, Robert White, Tony Newton (bass), Eli Fountain (alto), Bobby Cousar (trombone). There is some doubt about who played drums. We all thought it was Uriel, but he says he only went on the earlier Kim Weston tour. I've asked Tony if he remembers. Will pass on his answer. Judging from the pictures I've seen, I'd say it was the same guy that played with The Supremes at the Copa (on cover shot), if that gives anyone any clues. Also I'm hoping the exhibition of photographs from the tour to be shown in London this spring will provide further illumination." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:10:33 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Boomer asked: > Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby > Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I > thought was pretty good? For what it's worth, I thought "Go Back" was one of the best things to hit the airwaves back in the summer of '70. Rather than call it a flop, I think it was more underrated, as it at least made the Top 40 (#36), a much better fate than many of us had hopes for with much of the material discussed here. For more info on the band try: http://www.richieunterberger.com/rotten.html Dave O' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:20:34 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Re: Dobie Gray's "Rose Garden"? Clark Besch wrote: > In case you wondered, after the 24 Turtles 45s, next in line for most > WW releases were Nino Tempo & April Stevens (6), the Clique (6), > and Rene & Rene (5). It was also interesting to see releases on the > label by Dobie Gray (3) ... Clark, do you happen to know if one of those Dobie Gray releases on White Whale was an early version of "Rose Garden," eventually made popular by Lynn Anderson? I don't have the 45, but in my mind's eye I seem to recall seeing possibly a promo copy at our radio studio in, say, late '69 or early '70. I don't ever remember playing it, so I can't comment on Dobie's version, although any review on the recording would be nice if anyone remembers it. Thanks, Dave O' P.S. Here's a big "GET WELL SOON" message for Claire Francis. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:48:55 +0000 From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Re: Beach Boys: Lost & Found Phil X. Milstein wrote: > I was listening to my well-played and much-loved copy of "The > Beach Boys: Lost & Found, 1961-1962" (DCC, 1991) tonight, when > I noticed the credit line "Concept: Paul Urbahns" in the booklet. Just > wanted to bring this very exciting credit to the group's attention, and > to coincidentally ask Paul for some thoughts on his experiences > with helping put together this collection. Thanks for mentioning one of my pet projects and only one of two CDs that I programmed for a label. (The other was a 101 Strings release, of which I didn't even get a free copy.) My liner notes in the booklet tell the whole story, but basically I was impressed with Steve Hoffman's work, and wrote to ask him to make a serious reissue of the Hite Morgan sessions. He said nobody knew where the tapes were, so I located them and once he had them I sent him a list of questions that had surfaced over the years about the sessions, and asked him to listen for studio chatter proving or disproving various points. The chatter tracks are very important BB history. It was put on separate tracks because I don't like studio chatter or outtakes on the same track as the song, like EMI did it, and prefer the songs in the clear. Finally, since there was no picture of the BBs available from that early period, Steve originally proposed a white cover like the Beatles' White album. I suggested instead the still life using surf boards, records and master tapes. They did a wonderful job. So when it came to the booklet, since I suggested the project, found the tapes, suggested the accepted cover, wrote some of the liner notes, helped to select contents and even suggested the studio chatter be included to tell the BB story and make it seem like you were listening at the sessions, Steve didn't know how to credit my involvement. So he said we'll just credit you with concept. Works for me. Sundazed reissued the songs and chatter on an LP but changed the order of the songs to cut down on repeats. I didn't know anything about it until they called to ask to use excerpts from my liners. If it had been me I would have put all the master takes on one side of the LP and the alternate cuts on the other side. But the DCC release was done like an audio history book. And there were several very nice reviews printed in Billboard and other magazines about it. Thanks for asking and remembering. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:06 -0600 From: Bill Mulvy Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Boomer asked: > Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby > Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I > thought was pretty good? They had two albums, "Crabby Appleton" and "Rotten To The Core". Both are out on CD on the Collector's Choice label. They are pretty good from a performance standpoint. The best quality of the song "Go Back" can be found on the "Rock N Roll Roots, Vol. 2" CD Bob Stroud put out about eight years ago through Best Buy in the Chicago area. It sounds considerably better than the Collector's Choice version. Bill Mulvy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:07:16 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: The Romans; Premier artists Country Paul wrote: > This, and its flip side, "Real (This is Real)," a nice doo-wop > ballad, are on a 45 on Cindy credited to Frankie Valli & The > Romans. I prefer "Real" personally. For the record, on Cindy 1012 "Come Si Bella" is credited to The Romans, while "Real (This Is Real)" goes to Frankie Valle & The Romans. Mikey wrote: > Those Premier and Coronet LPs were a great place to get the > artists' previous recordings for the small labels. Some that come > to mind: ... The 4 Seasons "Coma Si Bella" ... A few of artist names on those LPs were made up. On an LP featuring Johnny Rivers (Premier 9037), The Tremonts are credited for "Respectable", "Cocoanut Milk", "Santa Margherita" and "Clementine". I'm not certain who's really doing "Cocoanut Milk", but "Respectable" belongs to Jimmy Soul & The Chants (on 20th Century Fox), from 1963. The latter two, as "Teen-Age Clementine" and "Santa Margherita", belong to The Belmonts (on Mohawk) from 1957. This was before they connected up with Dion. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:17:28 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: "Jenny Lee" Country Paul wrote: > I've played to musica a very fine country/rockabilly version of Jan > & Arnie's first hit, "Jennie Lee," by prolific pianist Moon Mullican. > Yes, I know it's sonically at the edges of Spectropop, but admit > it -- after 47 years of not knowing, isn't it nice to be able to actually > understand the lyrics? (Not that they're so profound, but it *is* > interesting!) Another way to hear (and understand) the lyrics to "Jennie Lee" would be to listen to the cover version by Billy Ward & The Dominoes, from April of 1958 on Liberty Records -- Jan & Dean's future home. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:10:07 -0000 From: Jonathan Ward Subject: Honey Ltd. article Hi, folks. I've been a lurker here forever, and thought I'd drop a line with something that I think some folks here might enjoy. I recently finished a lengthy piece on the Honey Ltd., the Lee Hazlewood-produced girl band whose one LP is insanely rare -- and good. If you'd like to check it out, it's posted in the new edition of Perfect Sound Forever: http://www.perfectsoundforever.com Thanks, and thanks for making my musical life much more interesting! Jonathan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Huss Subject: Re: At The Disco-heh? Norm D. wrote of Chubby Checker's ... > pronunciation of discotheque, as "disco-tay", rather than "disco-tek". ... Other musical examples to prove / disprove? Another (great) example is "Discotheque" by Big Dee Erwin [Irwin] (Roulette 4569). Like Chubby’s "At The Discotheque", it was released in 1965, and the words go something like this: ----- Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay yay) Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay-yay) Now do you remember in times before? They had the big bands playing on a big dance floor. But now today we’re doing it in a little different way We’ve got a new thing going called the disco-tay... Disco-tay-yay-yay (Disco-tay-yay-yay) ----- Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:08:15 -0700 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Boomer asked: > Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby > Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I > thought was pretty good? Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael Fennelly in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium with Curt Boettcher at CBS back in 1968. Les -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:11:00 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: "A Hard Day's Night" mystery chord now playing at musica Scott Swanson: > A Canadian mathematics professor recently did a computer > analysis of the chord and concluded that something else *besides* > Harrison's 12-string contributed to that sound. He says the sound > was produced by a combination of: > Harrison on 12-string (a2/a3/d3/d4/g3/g4/c4/c4) > McCartney on bass (d3) > Lennon on 6-string (c5) > George Martin on piano (d3/f3/d5/g5/e6) > story: http://beatles.ncf.ca/professor_jason_brown_p1.html For what it's worth, I tried overdubbing these as piano parts into CoolEdit, and have played the result to musica. Since I don't own a Rick I didn't bother to drag out guitars for the guitar parts, so obviously any nuances that were a matter of guitar harmonics aren't there. I will say that the 12-string part did sound a lot closer to the real thing than I expected. Let the list decide. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:27:23 -0600 From: Tony Waitekus Subject: Re: Delrons photo >From the department of accuracy: I e-mailed the article on Reparata & The Delrons from Cha Cha Charming to Bill Jerome, who really enjoyed it. But he noted that the picture in the article that was captioned as the Delrons with Steve Jerome is actually them with writer Kenny Young, who wrote "Under the Boardwalk" Bill says, "Kenny is a skinny guy. My brother Steve weighed over 400 pounds." Tony Waitekus -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:08:10 -0500 From: Rex Patton Subject: Re: Monterey musicians Bob Kacerow asked: > Does anyone know who the drummer and lead guitarist were > during the Mamas & Papas segment from the Monterey Pop > Festival? According to the booklet that came with the Monterey Pop Festival box set, the guitarist was Eric Hord. The drummer is listed there as Eddie Hall, but that's either a mistake. It was actually Fast Eddie Hoh, a marvelous drummer who also played on some of The Monkees' greatest songs ( "Pleasant Valley Sunday," and the rest of the "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn And Jones Ltd." album, plus his crowning achievement with them, his incendiary performance on "Goin' Down"), as well as the "Supersession" album, among others. If you watch the Monterey Pop movie you will also see Hal Blaine, who was there playing with The Group With No Name, who is sitting on the drum riser and who then gets behind a second kit to play on Scott McKenzie's guest star rendition of "San Francisco," which is godawful, as is the whole Mamas & Papas set. The singers hadn't sung together in months (Denny showed up for the gig 10 minutes before they went on), John's 12-string guitar is grossly out of tune (and an out of tune 12-string sounds literally twice as bad as an out of tune 6-string), and the band is totally under- rehearsed. Which is a real shame, as it was an all-star group of the aforementioned musicians plus Larry Knechtel on keyboards and Joe Osborn on bass (who has the worst time of it -- he's one of my all-time favorite bass players, but he had a rough day). That performance is a blight on the Mamas & Papas legacy, and I'm shocked that they allowed it to go out on record and on the DVD that came out a couple of years ago. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:23:01 +0100 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Leslie Fradkin wrote: > Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael > Fennelly in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium > with Curt Boettcher at CBS back in 1968. Michael Fennelly also made two solo LPs. The first one, "Lane Changer," is especially interesting, with its Zombies link and a guest shot by Jeff Beck. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:28:02 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Love & Light from Claire Francis Claire Francis wrote: > Just to let you know why I haven't been writing to the group....I have > been busy taking care of some personal medical needs so I haven't been > able to read all the messages like I usually love to do. Please keep > me in your prayers for my up and coming Breast Cancer Surgey April 7th. > I will be in surgery for 6-7 hours. I hope all you groovy S'pop people > will take a moment to visualize me as coming out of the surgery alive > and well. I will ask my family to write a post to let you know how I > did. Dear Claire, I am not a pray-er, but I promise you I will be sending you every ounce of psychic energy I can muster in every other form I know of. Take good care, get well soon, and promise to return to Spectropop when you're ready! --Phil Milstein -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Heavy Bubblegum Clark Besch: > If that wasn't enough, a heavy metal guy was asking about Ram > Jam's 77 hit, "Black Betty" and when i pulled it, it was produced > by KASENETZ-KATZ!!! Joe Nelson wrote: > One of the guys was in the Lemon Pipers: between the two something > critics of "too sweet bubblegum music" might consider. This, by the way, is precisely the kind of stuff I've been digging for these days, heavy bubblegum (e.g., The Ohio Express' "Try It"), bubblegum breakbeats (e.g., Tommy Roe's "Sweet Pea"), bubblegum psych, what have you. Bublegum deep cuts. But Chapmann/Chinn also come to mind as purveyors of this sound here. Thanks! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:06:46 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Mamas and Papas on PBS Bill Mulvy wrote: > They don't play all of the material so it gives you an incentive to > pledge to get the entire show in your "thank you" gift of the DVD. I always thought the incentive was to get to see the music programming without all the dangblasted commercial interruptions. --Phil M. -- Cover Art Gallery: http://www.aspma.com/temp/gallery lotsa new posts: http://www.aspma.com/probe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:07:29 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Boomer wrote: > Does anyone know whatever happened to a band called "Crabby > Appleton" who had a total flop single called "Go Back" which I > thought was pretty good? We should all have flops as successful as that! Go back, --Phil M. -- Cover Art Gallery: http://www.aspma.com/temp/gallery lotsa new posts: http://www.aspma.com/probe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Three Bells / Satin Bells Julio Niño wrote: > I´m familliar with the Cem single by Ellas that contains "LLovió" > (it rained), a very nice song by the way, much better in my > opinion than the other side, "Sola en La Ciudad" (alone in the > city). They looked extremely sexy. One member of the group was > Laura, a singer that some years before recorded a wonderful > version of "Tu Loca Juventud" (your crazy youth), a yeyé song > that I like very much. > > In respect to the Satin Bells, are you sure they were Spanish? > Couldn´t they be the British group of the same name? Oh, yeah, "Llovio" has it all over its flipside. Absolutely sparkling. And I BOUGHT it for the sleeve. But every time I bring up The Satin Bells, I'm asked the same question, and all I can say is, it's on Accion, and the other side, "Toros en Mexico," is entirely in Spanish (although, despite the crunchy, pecussive riff under its verses, sounds not unlike The Ladybirds around the choruses). But on The Satin Bells UK, I've now stumbled on these: http://www.spectropop.com/gg/threebells.html http://music.msn.com/artist/default.aspx?artist=743467 Here I believe is the copy I ended up with, even: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4006351255 Could well be them, I do remember "The Ghost Goes Gear" as well, though it's been a while. Still, I can't find the connection made explicit, not at least regarding this particular record. But I believe you're right. Thanks. Dave M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Keren Ann Aughh! I couldn't have gone, but I should have known: From: http://www.chicagoreader.com/listings/static/treatment.html#KEREN Tonight (Sunday, March 20th, 2005) in Chicago: KEREN ANN Most contemporary French pop makes frothiness a virtue --the songs might tackle sad themes, but they rarely sound sad. Keren Ann's songwriting is different: there's a delicious melancholy to her music that's clear even on her first two albums, where she sang in French. Not every song on her first disc in English, last year's Not Going Anywhere, was sad, but the acoustic production and her whispery but flexible voice gave it a coherent feel. Not Going Anywhere had a dialed-down tone, so her subtle melodies sneaked past me at first. But after three or four listens to her new album, Nolita (Metro Blue/Blue Note), recorded last year in Paris and New York, the tunes insinuated themselves deep in my memory and drove me back to her previous albums, which struck me as equally brilliant. "Chelsea Burns," with quietly strummed guitar and slashing violins that recall the gentlest tunes Lou Reed wrote for the Velvet Underground, in time reveals a smoldering intensity. And "Roses and Hips," like many of her songs, sounds like a lost gem from the flower power 60s. For this, her Chicago debut, she performs solo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:54:41 -0000 From: Boomer Subject: remake of "Mr. Blue" (by The Fleetwoods) I would LOVE to see one of the "still-together" rock bands of the late-60s and early-70s do a remake and update of one of my favorite songs---"Mr. Blue" by The Fleetwoods...my band ("Central Park West") which had the hit called "Sweets For My Sweet" back in 1969 is no longer together.....any takers?? Stew -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:17:51 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Chubby Checker - Northern Soul Austin Powell: > I seem to remember Northern Soul fans in my neck of the woods > also playing "Cum Ma La Be Stay", B side of "Everything's Wrong". Ahhh! That would be "ev'rybody form a circle, now some 'soft git' jumps inside". Am I right? Ken On The West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:37:04 -0000 From: Bill Craig Subject: Re: Crabby Appleton Leslie Fradkin wrote: > Some of you may not realize that Crabby Appleton had Michael > Fennelly in its ranks. He worked as a member of The Millennium > with Curt Boettcher at CBS back in 1968. Eddy Smit: > Michael Fennelly also made two solo LPs. The first one, "Lane > Changer," is especially interesting, with its Zombies link and > a guest shot by Jeff Beck. Back in the early '70's my former manager, a guy named Dave Paton managed or booked Michael Fennelly. I think he said he got him a gig or two opening for Led Zeppelin, although I don't remember what the venues were or if it was for a whole tour. Bill Craig -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: the Mamas and Papas on PBS and Monterey Pop How ya'll doin'? I saw the PBS special on the Mamas and Papas. I forgot how out of tune the group usually was. After a while I couldn't stand it and had to turn it off! I do have more respect for Lou Adler, who produced such great records before "Pro-Tools". regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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