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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Myths??
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. Re: WTAG / WORC
           From: Martin Nathan 
      3. Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
           From: Mark J 
      4. Toni Arden Help Off List
           From: Rex Strother 
      5. Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
           From: Scott Swanson 
      6. Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances
           From: Max Weiner 
      7. Rave Review of a hidden gem!
           From: Mark Wirtz 
      8. Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page)
           From: Lobby 
      9. Jeff Barry
           From: James Botticelli 
     10. Chubby Checker @ musica
           From: Matt Spero 
     11. Yardbirds today
           From: Lobby 
     12. Love Is Strange versions
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     13. Mirwood Soul
           From: S'pop Projects 
     14. Re: K & K; Attack
           From: Mr Rashkow 
     15. Re: Cameo Parkway Story
           From: Rob Pingel 
     16. Re: "Sugar And Spice" remembrances
           From: Clark Besch 
     17. Re: Clifford Curry
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     18. Steve Fromm
           From: Keith E Murphy 
     19. Re: Susan Cowsill solo
           From: Artie Wayne 
     20. Re: myths of the Page sort
           From: Artie Wayne 
     21. Re: Cameo Parkway Story
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. Re: myths of the Page sort
           From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran 
     23. Re: Rare Breed's "Beg Borrow And Steal"
           From: Dave Monroe 
     24. Re: "Come On Down To My Boat"
           From: Austin Roberts 
     25. Re: WTAG / WORC
           From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Myths?? Artie Wayne wrote: > Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string intro on the > Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he played lead > on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks producer > Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth? Wishful thinking on Mr. Page's part. He was on the Kinks record, but it was Dave Davies that played the solo that made it famous. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Nathan Subject: Re: WTAG / WORC I really enjoyed WORC around 69-70. Lots of obscure singers and groups on the WORC top 50 weekly music survey. The first 45 I ever bought was "Those Were The Days" by Mary Hopkin, and my mother stopped buying records for me after I brought home "I'm Living In a Shame" by Diana Ross & the Supremes. Remember "The Thought Of Loving You" by The Crystal Mansion- that was a very good song, but it didn't chart very high nationally. Another great one was "Tobacco Road" by Jamul, the most kick-ass version ever of that song! Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:00:16 -0500 From: Mark J Subject: Re: Byrds vs. Searchers Artie Wayne: > How ya' doin'? In 1963, Roger McGuinn [then known as Jim McGuinn] > was considered one of America's foremost 12-string session guitarists. > This is why I used him on the Joey Powers "Midnight Mary" album > version of "Walk Right In". This was almost 2 years before he formed > the Byrds. Jim had used a 12 string acoustic, but he had never used a Rickenbacker and the sound is very different. -Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:48:07 -0700 From: Rex Strother Subject: Toni Arden Help Off List Anyone who can help me with bio material on Toni Arden (from her days with Al Trace, Shep Fields, Columbia, then to Decca and finally to "off-labels", I would really appreciate. Does anyone know if Toni is still with us - and if so, how I might contact? Yours, Rex -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:28:30 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page) Artie Wayne writes: > How ya'll doin'? Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string > intro on the Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he > played lead on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks > producer Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth? Well Artie, I'm a bit if a Page-o-phile so I'd say I'm about as qualified as anyone to answer these questions. First, the Beatles. This is the first I've EVER heard of Page being connected to the Beatles! I very much doubt it's true for several reasons -- mainly because the Beatles rarely used session musicians (aside from strings, etc.), and secondly because Page rarely worked for George Martin or Parlophone. As for the Kinks....I know of two interviews where Page specifically stated that he DID NOT play on "You Really Got Me". And as far as I know Page has NEVER publicly claimed to have played lead guitar on ANY Kinks recording. So if he told you he played lead, that would certainly be a first. There is one possible explanation for this, though. The Kinks actually recorded YRGM on two separate occasions -- the first version was a disaster, prompting the band re-record the song 2 weeks later. Ray Davies has all but admitted in at least one interview that Page played lead guitar on that first (unreleased) version. Artie, I'm curious to know _when_ Page made these statements to you. If it was pre-1968, then I'd reckon that Page was merely trying to pad his resume and/or impress you. But if he said it later on (i.e. during Led Zep's heyday in the '70s), then I'd be more likely to believe him. Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: Max Weiner Subject: Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances Being from Chicago myself, I am well aquainted with the Cryan Shames, as well as the NC6, the Shadows of Knight & and of course, the Buckinghams. This website might give your freind and insight on the Cryan Shames. I always loved the guitar on Sugar and Spice. But if I remember right, "I Wanna Meet You" was their biggest hit: http://www.cryanshames.com/history.html max -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:01:36 -0000 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Rave Review of a hidden gem! Hiya guys, I haven't been on here much of late, mainly because it's been darn hectic, even chaotic at times, especially due to the release of my first new solo album in 20 years "Love Is Eggshaped" - Rev-Ola), as well as preparations for my move up north - from Georgia to (East) Virginia shortly. Reason for my post on the fly is to BEG all of you Pop Rock/harmony fans to check out the new "Muenchener Freiheit" CD "Geile Zeit." I know, I know... weird band name (no doubt the reason for their otherwise unexplainable lack of international success during the last decades). Some of you might remember MF's only English-lyric hit, "Keeping The Dream Alive" from their Abbey Road-mixed "Fantasy" album some years ago, also part of a soundtrack of a then popular Teen flick (the title escapes me, Mark Frumento no doubt remembers it). Anyway, I have been virtually drugged by MF's new album, having been listening to it now for over 2 months and still not getting tired of it, rather in awe of yet new discoveries every time I hear it, from musicianship to material to arrangements to production to sound engineering. It's a feast! To say that the stuff equals Beatles standard would seem like an overstatement -- it isn't-!! While it is a shame that this German band sings in their native tongue, I have never heard -- what to my ears has always been the worst possible language for pop/rock -- rendered so palatably and easy on the ears. And if the words can't be understood, not to worry -- some of them are pretty cool, but many of them are really the album's only shortcoming by sophomorically trying to appeal to the "Teen Market," alas, sounding moronically contrived. But what do you care, you can't understand any of it anyway, and instead just get a kick out of the vocals' superb, idiosyncratic, musical phrasings. Do yourself a favor and treat yourself to the rush! Get the album (available via Amazon DE) -- you'll be glad you did! Warm best, Mark Wirtz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:45:52 -0000 From: Lobby Subject: Re: Myths? (Jimmy Page) Artie Wayne wrote: > How ya'll doin'? Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string > intro on the Beatles "Hard Days Night"...but he also said that he > played lead on the Kinks "You Really Got Me", which my friend, Kinks > producer Shel Talmy denies. Does anyone know if this is just myth? There was a bumper CD released in the UK that features all of Jim P's session work - and it does include "You really.." and "I can't Explain". Can't remember the details of CD at the moment! Lobby -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:39:55 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Jeff Barry Sifting through a pile of 45's yesterday I came across Jeff Barry's "Welcome Home." I paid the .50 for it and brought it down to my booth. I recognized the melody instantly but couldn't place the artist I'd heard sing it. Anyone? And Jeff Barry himself is significant to Spectropop as a writer, right? Some of this stuff goes back so far that a young fella like me has trouble remembering some of it. If I ever knew it. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:44:45 -0000 From: Matt Spero Subject: Chubby Checker @ musica Hi all. . . I just posted "At The Discotheque by Chubby Checker on Musica since someone here talked about it. I was a DJ at the time of release so have a promo 45 (Parkway P-949-B). Oddly enough this is the B side of the record. . . for those who don't know what that meens, it was the other side that they were pushing to be a HIT. The A side is Let's Do The Freddie but in my local town of Santa Rosa Discotheque was the one we pushed. If there is interest I will post the A side as well. Matt Spero -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:38 -0000 From: Lobby Subject: Yardbirds today Einar Einarsson Kvaran wrote: > The Le Beat Bespoke weekender sounds great, but who is the Yardbirds > these days? Keith Relf died [I think] so . . .Eric Clapton? Jeff > Beck?? Jimmy Page??? I am curious. Google the Yardbirds and hit the new site. The surviving members are Chris Dreja and McCarty, they are excellent live - very powerful sound. Mr Relf has indeed left this mortal coil - I think Eric + Jeff + Jim have something else on. Lobby -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:26:18 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Love Is Strange versions Country Paul wrote: > http://www.aspma.com/probe > Anyone else discover this yet? Lots of cool stuff, including music > discussed here. Thanks for the plug, Paul. I hope to be adding to my Probe site on a regular basis. In fact, I'm hoping one of y'all can help me ID the M/F duo singing the version of "Love Is Strange" I posted there a few days ago. In the dialogue break the singers seem to call each other "Dinah" and "Preshy," but that can't really be it, can it? While I'm at it, this seems a good time to solicit more "Love Is Strange" versions, toward a collection full of 'em. Please contact me offlist if interested in contributing. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:58:01 -0000 From: S'pop Projects Subject: Mirwood Soul New @ S'pop Recommends The Mirwood Soul Story Reviewed by Simon White An excerpt: ... Next time you have to explain Northern Soul to someone, how about you play them the Four Tops' "It's The Same Old Song" and then play them the Olympics' Mirwood recording "The Same Old Thing"? The similarities between them are remarkable, but the differences are what make Northern Soul what it is. And while Motown is the cornerstone of the Northern sound, arguably there's no Northern Soul without Mirwood. My real introduction to Northern Soul was Mirwood, and it remains my favourite label to this day. And here for the first time Mirwood really gets the reissue it deserves ... Full review: http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#mirwood Enjoy, The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:33:18 EST From: Mr Rashkow Subject: Re: K & K; Attack Matthew David wrote: > The Rare Breed 45 was released sometime in later half of > 1966. Doesn't really sound like The Tradewinds, more like > a garage band, but guess it could've been studio cats. I think > the E. Chiprut on the label is Elliot Chiprut, writer of "Simon > Says". Elliot is probably right. I can't remember my wife's name. If '66 it was done, then probably it was done (or worked on) at Bell Sound. > Would certainly be interested in hearing more about your > association with Kasenetz & Katz. My association with them was limited. Very street smart-type guys, from Brooklyn I think. I remember them calling their broker and dropping stock tips in the control room. I remember one of them saying, "the only thing we know about making records is when to say no". I thought that was cool. They were much more promoters/managers/marketers then they were businessmen. I think either one or both came from some money -- they opened offices and were doing business pretty young, and that was before they had anything out. That's all I remember, and all I want to remember. > Attack Records was distributed by Premier Albums with a > 1650 Broadway address. Always assumed K&K were behind > the label, which had very few releases -- two by Rare Breed > and two by The Music Explosion ... Attack was a subsidiary of Calla. They released at least one other record, "Washington Square" b/w "Please Phil Spector". I'm not sure if it came out in the States. Can't remember the name of the artist -- whoever it was, it was awful. I knew the writer of the B-side -- a bigger jerk never lived. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Pingel Subject: Re: Cameo Parkway Story Hans Huss wrote: > I must confess I find the inclusion of the British tracks a bit odd. > I understand they are there for historical reasons, but musically > (and geographically) they appear out-of-place. My vote for inclusion would be "She Loves You" by The Haircuts (great cover) and "Boy With The Beatle Hair" by The Swans. Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:16:47 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "Sugar And Spice" remembrances Roy Clough wrote: > No one over here has heard of The Cryan Shames except > the English Cryin' Shames, who were a one-hit wonder with > a Joe Meek-produced number called "Please Stay". Bill Mulvy wrote: > The Cryan Shames were a Chicago-area group (USA) and > received mostly regional airplay. Bill and Roy, I can most certainly understand both of your positions. The Searchers' version was actually a bigger hit here in the US nationally, too. The Searchers' version was originally released on Liberty 55646 around January 1, 1964 here, and despite Beatlemania's entrance quickly thereafter, it failed to chart. After Beatlemania, The Searchers were signed to Kapp and had several hits in spring of 64, including a rereleased "Sugar And Spice" on Liberty 55689. They had a mini Searchers-mania going with Liberty and Mercury (live at Star Club 45) releasing old 45s to battle current Kapp releases. "Sugar & Spice" very well could have charted higher than its #44 peak in Billboard, but just as "Sugar And Spice" had cut short the charting of Kapp's "Ain't That Just Like Me", Kapp's new release, "Don't Throw Your Love Away", cut "Sugar And Spice"'s sales short as it passed it in the charts the week "Sugar And Spice" peaked. The Cryan Shames' version came about due to the Shames going to a gig of another local group, The Riddles, and seeing the kids go nuts over their rendition of "Sugar And Spice". (The Riddles obviously liked The Searchers, as their lone 45 was "Sweets For My Sweet" in 1966.) Anyway, the Shames' 45 reached #4 on WLS Chicago, #49 in Billboard (#52 in Cashbox and #39 in Record World). Less than a year later, a Milwaukee group (Gary Myers can correct this if I'm wrong), The Grasshoppers, did a nice version too. The UK group CryIn' Shames did not care for the Chicago group releasing records under the nearly same name, so the next single and those after by The Cryan Shames would be released on UK CBS as by "The Shames". Maybe some people have heard of "The Shames" in England? In the 80's, the huge Tom Hanks movie "Forrest Gump" used The Searchers version of "Sugar And Spice". I gotta say I LOVE the Cryan Shames version and like it better than The Searchers version, yet I still maintain that my favorite CD in my collection is still the '80s Rhino CD "The Searchers Greatest Hits". Go figure! Hey, it's all in the (S'pop) family! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:07:25 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Clifford Curry Skip Woolwine wrote: > If you have XM Satellite Radio, be sure to listen this Wednesday 3/16 > to Channel 60, XM's classic soul station "Soul Street" from 4-6pm > Central Time. Soul Street Program Director and afternoon drive > personality Bobby Bennett is planning an afternoon of Beach Music, > and has arranged for Grammy Award winner / Beach Music Hall of > Fame member Clifford Curry to do a live call-in interview around 5pm > Central. I am not able to pick up that show, but am curious about Curry's career. "She Shot A Hole In My Soul" is one of the biggest of Beach Music hits, yet I've never heard of any other Clifford Curry releases, on the B.M. scene (if you'll pardon the abbreviation) or elsewhere. Could that possibly be his only good record? --Phil M. --- NEW new posts: http://www.aspma.com/probe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:00:26 -0000 From: Keith E Murphy Subject: Steve Fromm I saw where Steve Fromm posted here a while ago. I am wondering if he is the same Steve Fromm that played in Detoit at the Roostertail. We had the same manager, Ray Skop, when I played in Keith Murphy & The Daze. If Steve is out there, or if someone else knows him, please write me offlist. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Susan Cowsill solo Neil Hever wrote: > Popsters, I did a general search but did not find any previous > messages on Susan Cowsill. Do you folks know that she has > an excellent CD called "Just Believe it" available? It is really an > excellent pop/AAA recording. ... John Benda wrote: > "Just Believe It" was high on my Best Of list for 2004. I can't > recommend this disc highly enough for Spectropoppers Neil ... John. .. How ya'doin'? As I said here a few months ago, my old friend Susan Cowsill has one of my favorite albums out there! I'm really surprised that a major label hasn't picked it up yet. Regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: myths of the Page sort How ya'll doin'? If I may elaborate on the Jimmy Page myth ... I became friendly with Jimmy Page when he was a session musician in London in 1964. He was collaborating with Jackie DeShannon at the time, who introduced us. During one of the times we were hanging out, he told me he played on "Hard Days Night" and "You Really Got Me". I didn't think much of it at the time, since it was a common practice to bring in studio musicians to "enhance" a track. Since there were no credits given to players on albums, I had no reason not to believe him. Years later, at a party, I asked my friend Shel Talmy, who produced The Kinks, if Jimmy had played on "You Really Got Me". He got angry, and said, "I'm tired of hearing that rumour. I used Jimmy on sessions before, but he DID NOT PLAY ON THAT SONG!" I quickly changed the subject, and never brought it up again. As far as Jimmy playing the intro on "Hard Days Night", it seemed possible, since the guitar figure was so intricate. In retrospect, I can see that I didn't give George Harrison enough credit for coming up with the riff himself. I haven't been in touch with Jimmy in 30 years. Why did he say those things? Who knows? In the music business we didn't call it lying, we called it "bullshitting". Regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:37:53 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Cameo Parkway Story Matt Spero wrote: > For years the only Chubbby Checker and Bobby Rydell stuff > available have been re-recordings. Obviously, the "people" at Abkco don't know anything (or care) about Midwest rock, or they would know that the non-Billboard charting Fabulous Flippers' version of "Harlem Shuffle" was the holy grail of Midwest horn rock -- even garage rockers of the Midwest praised the record. Looks to me like they were looking for hits of Billboard and not songs that influenced Midwest rock in the '60s. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran Subject: Re: myths of the Page sort Artie Wayne wrote: > Jimmy Page once told me that he played the 12-string intro > on The Beatles' "Hard Days Night". Does anyone know if this > is just myth? My GUESS is that Page played guitar on the same Beatle sessions that Bernard "Pretty" Purdie played drums on. Einar P.S. Since you heard it from the source, it seems that a word a little stronger than "myth" can be applied. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Monroe Subject: Re: Rare Breed's "Beg Borrow And Steal" Matthew David wrote: > The version used for the Bubblegum Classics CD was > the stereo Cameo LP version. So the mono mixes on > both 45's are the same, while the stereo mix on the > Ohio Express album has a new overdubbed rhythm > section. Thanks! Exactly what I needed to know. For once, then, I'd rather be spinning the LP rather than the 45. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:15:16 -0500 From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: "Come On Down To My Boat" Matthew David wrote: > ... I think the E. Chiprut on the label is Elliot Chiprut, writer > of "Simon Says". E. Chiprut is definitely Elliot Chiprut. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:51:17 -0500 From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com Subject: Re: WTAG / WORC Dave O'Gara wrote: > ... WORC, on the other hand, did what I'm sure a lot of our > members experienced in different parts of the country -- they > gave nearly everyone who released a record a shot on the > air, especially local and regional acts. Dave, When I served in the Marine Corp. I became best friends with a guy from Worcester. After we got out he used to call and tell me that my single "Mary And Me" was doing great in the area because of WORC,so I came up and did an interview and some spots for the station.Throughout the part of my career when I was a recording artist, WORC always helped my records in that area, so I'm grateful to them and you, I'm sure, from 1969 on. I think you started there about a year after "Mary And Me," but many thanks for the help afterward. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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