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      1. Re: Help with the Emotions!
           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Re: My Musical Sons And Daughters-In-Law
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      3. Re: West Side Story
           From: Joe Nelson 
      4. Re: Larry Welk
           From: Irving Snodgrass 
      5. Tracks in musica
           From: Country Paul 
      6. Hit; X
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Clark's LA charts; Mad/The Dellwoods; Time, oh time
           From: Country Paul 
      8. Debby Woods
           From: Rob Trenner 
      9. Re: Jimmy Webb Productions
           From: Richard Havers 
     10. Re: Jimmy Webb/"Earthbound"/5th Dimension
           From: Anthony Parsons 
     11. Re: "Baby It's You"
           From: James Botticelli 
     12. Re: help with The Emotions
           From: Davie Gordon 
     13. Re: Jana Louise
           From: Davie Gordon 
     14. Athena label from Nashville?
           From: Jon Christopher Pennington 
     15. Re: Jimmy Webb/"Earthbound"/5th Dimension
           From: Brent Cash 
     16. Re: Hit Records stereo singles
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     17. Re: Don Grady / Palace Guard
           From: Mike Dugo 
     18. Re: Larry Welk's birthplace
           From: Michael Thom 
     19. Re: Nightriders 45
           From: Claire Francis 
     20. Historic Muscle Shoals Recording Studio Closes
           From: Bill Swanke 
     21. Re: Farmer's Daughter 45?
           From: Eddy Smit 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:16:14 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Help with the Emotions! Einar Einarsson Kvaran: > Not exactly Good News, Clark. The Emotions do not appear > in the "Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959 - 1968" box set. There's a very good reason for the Emotions' non-inclusion on the 1959-1968 box set -- they didn't join the label until the following year! They are, however, present on "The Complete Stax/Volt Singles, Volume 2, 1968-1971", and on "Volume Three". But you don't have to be rich enough to afford 10-CD box sets to enjoy the Emotions, because they are included on more CDs than anyone in their right mind could be bothered to list, some of which one may read about here: Then, of course, there are the group's pre-Volt releases, when they went by other names. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:27:38 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: My Musical Sons And Daughters-In-Law Mikey wrote: > Don Grady was Robbie Douglas, on My Three Sons. When the producers started bringing women into the Douglas household in the show's later years, they chose Tina Cole, one of the singing King Cousins, to play Robbie's wife Katie. (In fact, Grady left the show early (perhaps for his music career), leaving Tina/Katie behind to play the wife whose husband was always away "on business.") For the wife of middle* son Chip, they chose Ronnie Troup, the daughter of pianist/songwriter Bobby Troup (from an earlier marriage than his one with Julie London). Steve Douglas's stepdaughter was played by Dawn Lyn, sister of Leif Garrett. Thus, My Three Sons wound up with some "relatively" musical daughters, perhaps fitting in that Fred MacMurray began his career as a sax player in swing bands. --Phil M. *Technically Chip was the youngest son, but a cast transition in the middle of the show's run left him the 'tweener. The new youngest son, the four-eyed Ernie, was adopted by the Douglases when they moved from the Midwest to California, but that fact, in best Brady Bunch tradition, was quickly swept under the rug, leaving him before long a full-blooded Douglas. Ironically, the stepbrothers Chip and Ernie were played by a pair of real-life brothers, an interesting turnabout from all the TV "siblings" who look nothing alike. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:42:19 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: West Side Story Dave Monroe: > If ONLY someone would cut Natalie Wood's (or, at any rate, > whoever's doing her singing for her) songs out of WSS. > Especially "I Feel Pretty." Downright ridiculous. It has its place. My wife was in a comedy club some years ago and at one point the guy on stage went into a spot in his act where he pantomimed the song in drag. In that context, lip- synching to Natalie was the ONLY way to do the song justice. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Irving Snodgrass Subject: Re: Larry Welk Phil X Milstein wrote: > Believe it or not, Welk was born and entirely raised in the U.S. > However, he grew up in an isolated enclave of German immigrants > in, I believe, Nebraska...... Try North Dakota. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:41:18 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Tracks in musica "Uncredited (Bradley RS) - Low Grades.mp3" is playing in musica at the moment; as I'm still 10 days behind, I'm wondering if anyone has posited that this may be The Orlons. Also, is anyone familiar with the Orlons' alter egos, Zip & The Zippers, whose "Where You Goin', Little Boy" (Fairmount) got some healthy airplay in Providence, RI? Did they record more under this name besides that single? Also in musica: Alicia Granados - Mantenga Limpio Su Corazón. She was only 12? Where did she get that mature voice? Which reminds me of another mature voice, Dodie Stevens, who was also 12 or so when she hit with "Tan Shoes and Pink Shoelaces" - and then, nothing. Curiosity got the best of me, and I checked out what happened to her at Awful writing style, but I gather the facts are true. Basically, she's a lounge singer these days (or at least In The Days When This Post Was Written - In This Style). Talk about peaking early.... And one more comment re: The Nightriders, "Your Friend," also in musica. This was a big surprise! Claire, I'm assuming you produced the B side as well as the A. How did you come upon this wonderful but obscure Roemans song? I confess to liking the original better, but this is very credible, too. Thanks for the post! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:59:54 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Hit; X David Gofstein wrote: > Is there a site out there with the story of HIT Records and > other sound-alike or knock off labels? Ray replied: > Yes, here: > > and here: > They sure invented some great (!?) names for their artists: Alpha Zoe (actually kinda cool), The Dacrons, Harvey Frolic (!) and Ricky Dickens, among others - and then, once the Beatles hit, The Bugs, The Doodles, The Beasts and The Beagles (the last three with Bobby Russell). (I also note Paul Urbahns name at the second site. Good work, Paul, and thank you for the further note here.) Javed Jafri: > I dug a little more and this is what Timothy White writes in > "The Nearest Faraway Place" about the X version: " A small > quantity was pressed on Robert and Richard Dix's X Records > label under the catalogue X-301." RCA also had an "X" label, named after the code-name for the project that led to the creation of the 45. I recently was at the Sarnoff Center and Museum in Princeton, NJ, and got to hold the first 45rpm commercial pressing made, which is in their collection along with samples of all the various colored vinyl categories that RCA pressed in its first year. I'll get it developed (yep, it's film, not digital), and try to scan it into the pictures section soon. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:04:17 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Clark's LA charts; Mad/The Dellwoods; Time, oh time Re: Clark's LA chart comments: he mentions "'Soul Surfer' by Johnny Fortune (4/6/63)...." His "Dragster" was a significant airplay and sales record in Providence, RI. Was this a hit anywhere else? I didn't know he had other records out. Was there an album? By the way, who was he? (I doubt his birth certificate said "Fortune" - or did it?) > "Surfin' Hootenany" by Al Casey was next (7/13/63).... This was actually played on WFMU this afternoon (2/22/05)! Sounded great. > California's hereos, the Beach Boys, had not been out of > #1 since "Surfin'" (except for "10 Little Indians" and > "Farmer's Daughter" which did not chart on KFWB at all!) Was "Farmer's Daughter" a single? I knew "Indians" was, but I thought that was the only "lapse" between BBoys #1s at that time. Austin Roberts writes: > I can't remember if I put this in here earlier, but, I've got a > friend on the coast (west) who wrote 'Saved By The Bell', some Andy > Griffiths, Green Acres, Gomer Pyle etc. He also wrote, a long ass > time ago, 'IT'S A GAS' for Mad Magazine. Pres replies: > When I saw the artist listed as "Alfred E. Neuman" I assumed > there was a MAD tie in somewhere. Pretty cool record, though. It was on an album of Mad songs credited to a group called The Dellwoods. Anyone know anything about them? Were they a real group? My favorite track from the album was the heartfelt ballad "I"ll Never Make Fun of Her Mustache Again." (For the record, Dellwood was a major dairy company serving the New York metro area, where mad was headquartered.) Phil M: > Now that I think of it I'm not sure why record companies would > bother listing times on their stock copies at all! Would a home > listener choose a 2:10 record over a 2:50 one in order to save > 40 seconds to make an appointment? For home tapers, perhaps - before it became a big bugaboo. I know that's how I used it (but mostly for sequencing singles I'd already bought). Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:10:44 -0000 From: Rob Trenner Subject: Debby Woods I am trying to locate any material, including records on Debby or Debbie Woods. Recorded on the Epic label in the early to mid 1960's. Can anyone Help? Thanks, Rob Trenner -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:13:56 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb Productions Jon Cook wrote: > The recent Jim Webb discussion brought to mind something I've > always wondered about. Can anybody tell me how good the reunion > album he did with the 5th Dimension is? 'Earthbound' is out of > print and I can't find anything about it on the Net. If posters > have info on the Supremes album he did, that would also be greatly > appreciated. Thanks for all the great music you've all introduced > me to. The Supremes album is a gem. Quality will always out and Jimmy's great arrangements and his impeccable production bring something special to this album. 'Where Can Brown Begin' is particularly good, as is 'I Keep It Hid'. I used to have 'Earthbound' - before a catastrophic calamity necessitated a vinyl fire sale. It was Ok, but was not something that compared with the likes of 'Magic Garden'. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:03:01 -0600 From: Anthony Parsons Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb/"Earthbound"/5th Dimension Jon Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me how good the reunion album Jimmy Webb > did with the 5th Dimension is? 'Earthbound' is out of print ... The Fifth Dimension was my favorite group when I was in high school, and I absolutely love the Earthbound album. It's not as commercial as their previous material, but it does have a couple of songs that should've been hits but weren't. Magic In My Life, with probably the best Florence LaRue lead ever, was issued as a single but went nowhere. Walk Your Feet In The Sunshine is about as happy a tune as you'll ever hear. When Did I Lose Your Love was the only Marilyn lead and has a very poignant performance from her. Most of the songs were written by Jimmy Webb, but there are covers of Lennon/McCartney's I've Got A Feeling, Jagger/Richards' Moonlight Mile (excellent!), and the prologue version of the title cut is a medley with George Harrison's Be Here Now. Magic In My Life and a hot dance tune, Don't Stop For Nothing, are credited to a J. Johnson. The only cut I don't like is a Webb tune called Lean On Me Always, which has a rather tortured vocal by Billy Davis Jr. Another minor criticism is that some of the tunes are overlayed (meaning the intro comes in before the previous song has finished fading), and these overlays tend to be a bit too long which is distracting, but I can see what Jimmy was up to with this ploy. Overall, it's a really great album and deserved a better fate than it got. I'd love to see it reissued on CD. I suggest you check out used record stores. You can probably find a copy for pretty cheap. Years ago, I bought a second "safety" copy for a buck! If there are any other Fifth Dimension fans out there, I'd love to hear your take on this LP. Sincerely, Antone -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:38:25 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: "Baby It's You" Bob Rashkow wrote: > Not too crazy about Gary & The Hornets' 1969 version (way post > "Hi Hi Hazel"), but I like the B-side "Tell Tale" a lot. It pre-dates > the kind of stuff The Osmonds were doing in the early '70s but > with an infinitely better arrangement -- although I doubt it would > have charted.  Funnily enough I just digitized a 1980 recording of "Baby Its You" by a girl group called Dolly Mixture. It rocks a little too much for my ears but when the subject of your CD-R is "Stuff From '77-'84 That Sounds Sixties" you include it.. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:39:57 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: help with The Emotions Clark Besch wrote: > Hi, altho this isn't usual S'pop chatter, I am looking for help. > I just found out a co-worker is brother to the Emotions, the > sister group who won a Grammy for "Best of my Love" in 1978. > I have a lot of material on their 70's days, but am looking > for any 60's material--videos, radio charts, pictures, etc. Before they signed to Stax (through the auspices of Pervis Staples of The Staple Singers), The Emotions had a handful of local Chicago releases, one on Brainstorm and three on Twin Stacks, a label that was distributed by Amy-Mala-Bell. Their sixties' history is pretty hazy. I get the impression they didn't really work much before joining Stax. I've yet to see a promo photo from their Twin Stacks days -- in fact photos of them before they moved to Columbia aren't that easy to find. Even their first album didn't even have a photo of the group. I'll do a bit of digging and see if I can come up with anything, but it seems to me asking your co-worker might a lot more fruitful than anything we could do. Davie Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:22:06 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: Jana Louise Kees van der Hoeven wrote: > Jana Louise recorded a few 45 for Dot in 1964/65 and 1 LP > "Dixie Cup of Sand". After that, I could find no recording > activities. Hi Kees, I was going to refer you to a great John D. Loudermilk website, only to discover that you most likely know about it already, since it's your project :) I'll see if I can find anything on Jana. Congratulations on your site -- a superb piece of work. Davie Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:43:19 -0800 From: Jon Christopher Pennington Subject: Athena label from Nashville? Continuing the discussion of Nashville pop, I think Athena Records was a Nashville label. The label released the Feminine Complex LP "Livin' Love," which should be of interest to most people on this list. The Feminine Complex was an all-girl band out of Nashville with a Nancy Sinatra-meets- The Standells kind of sound, but also with some poppier tracks. Gil Trythall also did two interesting "country Moog" records that were some of the better cash-ins on the '60s Moog craze. Can anybody else think of any other LPs or 45s on Athena that are worth mentioning? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:11:53 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb/"Earthbound"/5th Dimension Jon Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me how good the reunion album Jimmy Webb > did with the 5th Dimension is? 'Earthbound' is out of print and > I can't find anything about it on the Net. To me "Earthbound" is like a friend you haven't seen in years, whose voice still sounds the same but who has something vaguely different about their personality. It is a 1975-sounding record, with then-popular studio musicians such as Harvey Mason and some pre-Toto guys where, for example, Hal Blaine and Larry Knechtel used to be.There is some ARP synthesizer where sitars once roamed, and no Bones Howe, Bob Alcivar, etc. in sight. There's about 50% new Webb tunes, and some great (as usual) choices for covers, one of which, the almost unrecognizable "Moonlight Mile," is the highlight for me. So, in spite of this being a Jimmy-dominated LP, garnished with a prologue and epilogue (a la "The Magic Garden"), the effect is less "gorgeous, full-on" soft pop and more "mid-'70s contemporary" with varying moments of the "old" sun peeking through. Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:42:05 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Hit Records stereo singles Paul Urbahns wrote: > Hit singles started stereo in 1964. That's when Compatible mastering > became available at the Columbia Studios disk mastering facility. All the stereo Hit 45s I have in my collection were pressed on vinyl, instead of cheap shellac (hard plastic). Who did Hit Records' pressing? Also, were some stereo 45s made after late 1967 (like The Lemon Pipers' "Green Tamborine") cut this way? I have several 45s from the late '60s that have "Compatable Stereo" on the label. Billy (in compatable MONO) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Dugo Subject: Re: Don Grady / Palace Guard previously: > And let's also not forget that cute, talented Don Agrati, Mouseketeer, > Robbie Douglas, and Yellow Balloon-er, was also a sometime > member of the fabulous LA pop group The Palace Guard! This is not actually true. It's often been reported as such, due to The Palace Guard backing Grady on a single (and being billed, too), but he never actually performed with the band and was never a member. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 02:43:07 -0600 From: Michael Thom Subject: Re: Larry Welk's birthplace Irving Snodgrass wrote: > Try North Dakota. It was indeed North Dakota. Several years ago there was an infamous pork-barrel addition to a federal spending bill which allocated some $568,000 to build a memorial to Welk in his hometown in North Dakota. Such-a sweet pork! Michael Thom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:31:09 EST From: Claire Francis Subject: Re: Nightriders 45 Country Paul wrote: > This was a big surprise! Claire, I'm assuming you produced > the B side as well as the A. How did you come upon this wonderful > but obscure Roemans song? I confess to liking the original better, > but this is very credible, too. Hi Country Paul: It was a big surprise to me as well, especially since the record sold for $151 on eBay last week! I did in fact produce the B-side, and although I would like to tell a good story about how I came upon Roeman's song, I can't. When I heard this record for the first time in 40 years the other day, (thanks to the great folks that keep sending me MP3s so that I can recall my work), I remembered the words and the music to the B-side immediately, and started to sing them as if I last heard them just the other day. I loved the song, it had meaning to me. I loved producing the A-side as well, which by now everyone knows was co-written by the great Artie Wayne. It was so much fun and really jumpin'. I loved singing on "It's Only The Dog" as well. You can hear my voice in the background -- I'm the one hitting the harmony notes and singing as loud as I possibly could. I think I might have had a pint of ale ... or two ... during that session! Glad you enjoyed it! Love & Light, ClaireFrancis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:27:10 -0000 From: Bill Swanke Subject: Historic Muscle Shoals Recording Studio Closes from Billboard: ----- Historic Muscle Shoals Recording Studio Closes by Christopher Walsh New York - Muscle Shoals Sound Studios, the Alabama facility where artists including The Rolling Stones, Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Bob Seger recorded classic songs, has closed. The studio, owned since 1985 by indie blues label Malaco Records, closed last month; a film production company is in the final stages of purchasing the building. Musicians Jimmy Johnson, David Hood, Barry Beckett and Roger Hawkins, known collectively as the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, founded Muscle Shoals Sound Studios in Sheffield, Ala., in 1969. A Rolling Stones session at Muscle Shoals featuring sideman Jim Dickinson, who played on the Stones' "Wild Horses," is featured in the film "Gimme Shelter," which documents the band's tumultuous 1969 U.S. tour. In 1978, the facility moved to a 31,000 square-foot building, also in Sheffield. Malaco Records principal Wolf Stephenson explained that he and his partners were more interested in acquiring Muscle Shoals Sound Publishing, a catalog that includes "Old Time Rock And Roll" and "Torn Between Two Lovers," than the recording studio. "To be quite frank with you," Stephenson told Billboard, "the only reason we bought the studio was, the banks we were dealing with wouldn't loan us the money on the publishing company; they didn't have any idea what it was. It was just a stack of paper to them." The two-room facility was used extensively by Malaco artists, Stephenson added, but the last four years saw a sharp decline in outside projects. "When computer and hard-disk recording really got cheap and better at the same time, it just knocked the socks off a lot of studios, (Muscle Shoals) included. It was just a very difficult thing to compete with." Muscle Shoals was put up for sale on Internet auction site eBay in 2004. The asking price of $650,000, which included the building, property and equipment, yielded no serious offers, Stephenson said. The studio's two Neve consoles have been sold to studios in Detroit and Los Angeles. Reuters/Billboard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:52:18 +0100 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Farmer's Daughter 45? Country Paul asked: > Was "Farmer's Daughter" a single? I knew "Indians" was, but I > thought that was the only "lapse" between BBoys #1s at that time. I know of no US 45 release of the Beach Boys' Farmer's Daughter. It was released as a 45 in Germany in 1963 (Capitol 22933), c/w Hawaii. Of course, in the US there was the 45 version of Brian Wilson doing his bit as Basil Swift and the Seagrams, c/w Shambles, produced by Nik Venet and Danny Hutton on Mercury 72386 (1965). Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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