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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Netiquette reminder time
           From: S'pop Team 
      2. Storey Sisters
           From: Doc 
      3. Re: West Side Story
           From: Karl Baker 
      4. Jimmy Webb Productions
           From: Jon Cook 
      5. Re: Hit Records  stereo
           From: Mike 
      6. RIP Sandra Dee
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Re: Help with the Emotions!
           From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran 
      8. Re: No Bass (and Great Bass)
           From: Hasse Huss 
      9. Hit Records stereo singles
           From: Paul Urbahns 
     10. Re: West Side Story
           From: Chris Schneider 
     11. Re: The Storey Sisters & other new identities
           From: Chris Brame 
     12. Re: No Bass
           From: Gary Myers 
     13. Re: "Baby It's You"
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     14. Re: West Side Story
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     15. Re: Don Grady
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     16. Re: Storey Sisters "Bad Motorcycle"
           From: Anthony Parsons 
     17. Re: No Bass (Steam)
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     18. Ignominy ??
           From: Tony 
     19. Low Grades
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     20. Girl pop info question... Jana Louise?
           From: Kees 
     21. Nashville rock; Le Coeur d'une Generation; no Mamie; Dick Dale
           From: Country Paul 
     22. Enoch Light Lives!
           From: Bill Reed 
     23. Welk upbringing
           From: Mr. Shawn 
     24. Re: Don Grady
           From: Mark Frumento 
     25. Smokey Vandy Hampton of The Impressions
           From: Bill Swanke 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:05:07 -0000 From: S'pop Team Subject: Netiquette reminder time Hi all, Recently we have seen a rise in the amount of messages received without mention of either a sender or subject. It tends to be very time-consuming to search through the archives attempting to identify which message is being replied to and by whom, making moderating both lengthy and tedious. Please help us to maintain a regular flow by signing your messages and indicating which message you are replying to, preferably quoting a relevant line or two. Thanks S'pop -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:27:54 GMT From: Doc Subject: Storey Sisters PC: > "Bad Motorcycle" is my favourite track from a 1962 Ascot LP "All > Girl Million Sellers" (possibly the first ever girlgroup compilation?). I bought the All Girl Million Sellers 40 years ago! The version with the edited intro is on the CD Surf Bunnies & Hot Rod Honeys, # Superb 200, track #29. Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:22:06 -0500 From: Karl Baker Subject: Re: West Side Story Dave Monroe: > If ONLY someone would cut Natalie Wood's (or, at any rate, > whoever's doing her singing for her) songs out of WSS. That wasn't Natalie Wood singing in 'West Side Story'. It was Marni Nixon who also dubbed in for Audrey Hepburn in 'My Fair Lady'. Karl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:38:30 EST From: Jon Cook Subject: Jimmy Webb Productions Hello all - The recent Jim Webb discussion brought to mind something I've always wondered about. Can anybody tell me how good the reunion album he did with the 5th Dimension is? 'Earthbound' is out of print and I can't find anything about it on the Net. If posters have info on the Supremes album he did, that would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the great music you've all introduced me to - jon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 13:05:51 -0400 From: Mike Subject: Re: Hit Records stereo Ed B: > The subject of Hit Record singles in stereo apparently wasn't > mentioned in the recent thread about "Keep On Dancin'" etc. > Upon listening to various singles I have quite a few that are > in real stereo which is rare for 63'-66' singles "When I grow > Up To Be A Man"/"Matchbox # 147" is a good example. Ed, many of the HIT 45s are cut in "compatible" stereo, meaning they will play mono on a mono player and stereo on a stereo player. The downside to compatible stereo is that the frequency range suffers somwhat because of how the grooves are cut. A straight mono or stereo cut will have a wider frequency range and therefore better sound. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:52:54 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: RIP Sandra Dee Our sympathies go out to Dodd Darin, who is a member of this group. Country Paul ------- Entertainment 02/20/2005 22:40:06 EST Teen Film Star Sandra Dee Dies at 62 By BOB THOMAS Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES - Actress Sandra Dee, the blond beauty who attracted a large teen audience in the 1960s with films such as "Gidget" and "Tammy and the Doctor" and had a headlined marriage to pop singer Bobby Darin, died Sunday. She was 62. Dee died Sunday morning at the Los Robles Hospital & Medical Center in Thousand Oaks, said Cynthia Mead, nursing supervisor. She died of complications from kidney disease after nearly two weeks in the hospital, said Steve Blauner, a longtime family friend who represents Darin's estate. Blauner said Dee had been on dialysis for about four years. "She didn't have a bad bone in her body," he told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "When she was a big star in the pictures and a top five at the box office, she treated the grip the exact same way she treated the head of the studio. She meant it. She wasn't phony." The family expected to hold private funeral services. At Universal Studios, Dee was cast mostly in teen movies such as "The Reluctant Debutante," "The Restless Years," "Tammy Tell Me True" and "Take Her She's Mine." Occasionally, she was able to do secondary roles in other films, such as "Imitation of Life," "A Portrait In Black" and "Romanoff and Juliet." At the height of her fame, Dee was arguably the biggest female teen idol of her time. "She was Gidget, and she was Tammy, and for a time she was young America's ideal," film critic Leonard Maltin once said of her. After a one-month courtship, Dee married Darin in Elizabeth, N.J., in 1960. A son, Dodd Mitchell, was born to the couple the following year. In 1965, with her divorce from Darin dampening her teen appeal, Dee was dropped by Universal. "I thought they were my friends," she said in an interview that year with The Associated Press, referring to her former bosses. "But I found out on the last picture ('A Man Could Get Killed') that I was simply a piece of property to them. I begged them not to make me do the picture, but they insisted." Born Alexandra Zuck on April 23, 1942, in Bayonne, N.J., Dee became a model while in grade school. In a mid-career interview with The Associated Press, she explained her name change: "I used to sign vouchers and sign-out sheets with 'Alexandra Dee.' Somehow it stuck." When she was signed to her first film, she said, "'Sandra Dee' was the name they gave me." Dee made an independent film "Rosie!" (1968), starring with Rosalind Russell, but her movie career dwindled after that. Her name was resuscitated in 1978 with the film "Grease," which featured the song "Look At Me, I'm Sandra Dee" mocking her squeaky-clean image. But Dee didn't mind, Blauner said. "She always had a big laugh about it. She had a great sense of humor," he said. Blauner said her favorite films were the ones she made with Darin. Despite their divorce, he remained the love of her life, Blauner said. In a March 1991 interview with People magazine, Dee said she was sexually abused as a child by her stepfather and pushed into stardom by her mother. Dee, who turned to pills and alcohol, said she hit bottom after her mother died in 1988. "I couldn't function," she told People, adding that she began drinking more than a quart of scotch a day as her weight fell to 80 pounds. She said she stayed home almost constantly for three years. Her last film credit was for the 1983 movie "Lost." Dee credited her son with helping her turn her life around. She began seeing a therapist regularly and hoped to land a job on a TV series. Kate Bosworth portrayed Dee in last year's movie "Beyond the Sea," a biography of Darin. Actor Kevin Spacey, who directed and co-wrote the film and played Darin, has said Dee approved of the movie. "She called me...and said she loved it," he said last year. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran Subject: Re: Help with the Emotions! Not exactly Good News, Clark. The Emotions do not appear in the "Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959 - 1968 box set. Einar -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Hasse Huss Subject: Re: No Bass (and Great Bass) John Fox wrote: > the bass is so prominent (and so good) on virtually every > other Cameo-Parkway record (witness anything by The Orlons). Good to see The Orlons get a plug. Listen to 'Crossfire!' for a great bass line (and great everything else as well). Hasse Huss -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:26:45 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Hit Records stereo singles Ed B wrote: > The subject of Hit Record singles in stereo apparently wasn't > mentioned in the recent thread about "Keep On Dancin'" etc Actually Ed B the subject of stereo was addressed in the Keep On Dancin' thread because Hit Records was an all stereo label from the beginning on albums, and started marketing the singles in stereo with Hit 90. Due to a disk cutting error the Keep On Dancin' single is in mono and that fanned theories that it may have been an early version. It was not until a stereo album showed up with it in stereo that shot that theory down. Hit singles started stereo in 1964 that's when Compatible mastering became available at the Columbia Studios disk mastering facility. Prior to Hit 90, only the albums were in stereo because they had to ship the tapes to New York to have them Compatible mastered. Compatible was a disk mastering process where all frequencies 500HZ and below were put into mono so mono cartridges could track the stereo groove. It also mean money saving because Hit only had to manufacture one record instead of keeping a double inventory. Hits were recorded in stereo from the beginning in 1961, the major studios there were very advanced when it comes to stereo. Look at the early DECCA and Columbia country recordings done in stereo. Hits were recorded at the Sam Philips Studio for two years, Columbia Studio, for two years and by then they had opened their own full stereo facility. That's why some of the Hit sound-a-likes were recorded in the same studio, in some cases with the same musicians and engineering staff and background singers that worked on the original name versions. Some times they just replaced the lead vocalist. Paul Urbahns the Hit man -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:07:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: West Side Story Dave Monroe wrote: > IF ONLY someone would cut Natalie Wood's (or, at any rate, > whoever's doing her singing for her) songs out of WSS. > Especially "I Feel Pretty." Downnright ridiculous. Just leave in > the stuff featuring Russ Tamblyn, George Chakiris, and Rita Moreno But half of what makes WSS, both on stage and on film, is the tension between the jazzy style and the operatic style used by Bernstein for the various characters' music. Remove half of that and the equation won't work nearly as well. In any case, according to my copy of the Sony Masterworks reissue of the "West Side Story" soundtrack (SK 48211), the voices employed by the protagonists are: Maria -- Marni Nixon Tony -- Jim Bryant Anita -- Betty Wand (who also provided notes for Leslie Caron's "Gigi") Only Tamblyn and Chakiris supplied their own singing voices. Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:08:00 -0000 From: Chris Brame Subject: Re: The Storey Sisters & other new identities Steve: > Any other examples of this tactic anyone can think of, and what > is a good name for this tactic of picking up a master and renaming > the act (re-grouping, maybe)? One of my favorite songs: Brian Wilson's "She Rides With Me" by Joey and the Continentals, later issued as by the G.T.O.s - hmm. She'd rather ride in a GTO than a Continental? Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:43:04 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: No Bass I'm pretty sure that "To Know Him Is To Love Him" has no bass (Teddy Bears, not P&G). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:58:04 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: "Baby It's You" Phil Milstein: > "Baby It's You" is so well-constructed a song that it seems > hard to ruin. Consequently, I've never heard a cover version > that I didn't like....... Not too crazy about Gary & The Hornets' 1969 version (way post "Hi Hi Hazel"), but I like the B-side "Tell Tale" a lot. It pre-dates the kind of stuff The Osmonds were doing in the early 70s but with an infinitely better arrangement--although I doubt it would have charted. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:06:47 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: West Side Story Dave Monroe: > If ONLY someone would cut Natalie Wood's (or, at any rate, > whoever's doing her singing for her) songs out of WSS. > Especially "I Feel Pretty." Downright ridiculous. JFTR, they're Marni Nixon's songs, but without the schmaltz, WSS just doesn't cut it IMHO. BTW it's my favorite movie and the main reason is the choreography. And it never fails to bring out the old salties no matter HOW MANY times I watch it! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:16:32 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Don Grady JCP: > I think Don Grady also released an album under his real name, > Don Agrati, for Elektra Records, sometime in the early 70s. And let's also not forget that cute, talented Don Agrati, Mouseketeer, Robbie Douglas, and Yellow Balloon-er, was also a sometime member of the fabulous LA pop group The Palace Guard! ! ! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:41:04 -0600 From: Anthony Parsons Subject: Re: Storey Sisters "Bad Motorcycle" Phil Chapman: > "Bad Motorcycle" is my favourite track from a 1962 Ascot LP "All > Girl Million Sellers" (possibly the first ever girlgroup compilation?). > I'm sure this track has found its way to CD at some time or other, > as I have acquired an mp3 of it, but this version has an edited > intro which omits a saxophone glitch, and brings the vocals in sooner. I have this track on 2 different "unofficial" CDs - Surf Bunnies & Hot Rod Honeys (Superb 200) from Germany and Volume 1 of the five volume Cameo Parkway series All The Hits By All The Stars (Liberty Bell PCD 7013), country of origin unknown. The sound quality is superior on the All The Hits CD. I'm surprised to hear that there are only 2 Storey Sisters because it's clear from listening that there are at least 4 voices on the record and I was under the impression that there were 5 members in the group. I don't know where I got this impression, though. I'm also surprised to hear this referred to as "rockabilly". To me, it's pure late 50s rock & roll, what we used to call "dancing with the refrigerator" music when I was growing up in the 60s. I had heard about this record most of my life from a cousin whose older sister had the 45 but I didn't actually hear it until about 1996 when I finally got the Surf Bunnies CD. It immediately became a favorite of mine as well and was always guaranteed to perk me up after a hard day at the office. The Tracey Ullman version is cute but like most of her covers, it's a limp dishrag compared to the original. Just my opinion and not meant as a dis! (dis-rag?) Sincerely, Antone -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:19:35 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: No Bass (Steam) Michael T: > Another hit without a bass is "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" > by Steam. Recorded as a throwaway B-side, Paul Leka (who co- > wrote it) noted years later, "We didn't even put a bass on it. > It was a piece of **** then and it's a piece of **** now." Sorry to hear that......perhaps he prefers "The Nylons'" version better? Seriously, though, "NNHHKHG" has always been a 1969 favorite of mine. Maybe because it was No. 1 in Chicago when I celebrated my Bar Mitzva......:--) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:59:36 -0000 From: Tony Subject: Ignominy ?? Egads ... I was viewing the goggle box t'other day and Bloomin' Heck if I didn't see a commercial for an E D drug ... the music for it being The Ronettes and 'Baby I Love You' (it was either that or 'Be My Baby') ... what a come down. Sigh ! Tony -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:02:02 -0500 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Low Grades I've uploaded another 40-year-old demo to Musica. This time, it's the Bradley Recording Studio acetate of "Low Grades", a song best known by Linda Lane on the Tower label. Once again, no artist is credited, so it's time for the Spectropop sleuths to do their thing. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:02:53 -0000 From: Kees Subject: Girl pop info question... Jana Louise? Jana Louise recorded a few 45 for Dot in 1964/65 and 1 LP "Dixie Cup of Sand". After that, I could find no recording activities. From the liner notes of this album I have some information on her: a 20 years old daughter of an Irish mother and Danish father, talented singer, twice national step-dance champion, crowned as "Miss Shamrock" beauty queen at the International Auto Show, etc. Is there a Spectro Professor on Girl Pop who has any additional information about this Jana? Kees -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:21:45 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Nashville rock; Le Coeur d'une Generation; no Mamie; Dick Dale Catching up (as always), I just read Paul Urbahns' excellent review of Nashville. Two things come to mind: Still no mention of The Newbeats, who were hitmakers on Hickory ("Bread and Butter" has been in a commercial over the past year, and, like him or not, no male falsetto could cut like Larry Henley's); and Skip Spence's "Oar." I think most of us know the story of "Oar," so I'll dance over it quickly: Alexander "Skip" Spence was the first drummer for Jefferson Airplane, then became one of that amazing guitar line that fronted Moby Grape. Falling out with the Grape on tour in New York, he did enough drugs to stay up all night and then some, riding his motorcycle to Nashville and doing (I think it was) three consecutive days or so in Columbia's studios laying down an amazing/great/awful/outsider psychedelic masterpiece/disaster (choose your own nouns and adjectives) that was among Columbia's five all-time worst-selling albums. It has, of course, become a cult classic, re-released and expanded by Sundazed, and the subject of a fairly recent tribute album of all the songs in order. Personally, I love it, but then again, I was always strange.... Also from the catching up files, I am blessed with a copy of the French-Canadian band Le Coeur d'une Generation's sole album, plus their non-LP singles and music from related artists. Thank you, Michel Gignac, for expanding my ears. I loved "Ton Nom" [Your Name], their 1971 single (#6 in Quebec, on Gamma) and the recently- discovered (by me) #2 hit "Pierrot les cheveux" [literally "Peter the hair," probably "Hairy Peter"] which is absolutely charming. The rest is pretty interesting, including two French covers of the Beau Brummels' "Don't Talk To Strangers," theirs from '71 (good, different from the Brummels) and one by Les Aristocrates (more faithful to the Brummels' original, which is one of my great faves). This LP is not available on CD, unfortunately, but a lot less worthy stuff has been reissued, so who knows.. Again, merci beaucoup, Michel! Julio Nino mentions a Mamie Van Doren webpage, - FYI, it wouldn't load for me tonight (2/22/05). [Admin note: adding a full stop or a comma to the end of a URL will render it inaccessible] Steve Jarrell: > It is really nice to read postings about Dick Dale. I was his > sax player in the 70's. I really admire Dick and probably > learned more about the music business, and how to run a band, > from him than anyone in my life. God Bless him, he's still > going strong! I second this - and welcome to S'pop, Steve - I don't recall you posting previously. I do recognize your name from various album credits; glad you're here. And a special shout-out to an atypical Dick Dale song that got good airplay in the northeast, "Mr. Peppermint Man" - one of the great "slop" tracks. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:36:02 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Enoch Light Lives! I've put together a five-minute medley of my bargain basement covers collection (I tend to collect Tops and Hits Hits Hooray). If interested, you can access it here: Scroll to the bottom and click "HERE". The last segment of the medley relates to an active member of this list. I would be curious to know of his reactions, memories, suspicions, depressions, revulsions, etc. to the brief snippet. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:54:44 -0000 From: Mr. Shawn Subject: Welk upbringing Phil X Milstein wrote: > Welk was born and entirely raised in the U.S. > However, he grew up in an isolated enclave of German immigrants > in, I believe, Nebraska, thus accounting for his accent. ...actually he was from Strasburg, North Dakota - I've driven through the area many times but it seems always at night & never have been to his museum/home yet. Here's a bit of info on it: Shawn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:01:50 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Don Grady Jon Christopher Pennington wrote: > I think Don Grady also released an album under his real name, > Don Agrati, for Elektra Records, sometime in the early 70s. > Haven't heard it, but it probably doesn't hold a candle to the > Canterbury-era stuff. His solo album is very good and has some excellent interesting touches. Depending on your perspective it could be better than his Canterbury-era material. I think he was more mature and confident on his LP. Mark F. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:12:29 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: Bill Swanke Subject: Smokey Vandy Hampton of The Impressions Original member Fred Cash of The Impressions called a little while ago and told me that 21 year member of The Impressions Smokey Vandy Hampton passed away recently. He replaced Curtis Mayfield as lead singer for the group shortly after Curtis went on his own and his voice sounded almost exactly like that of Curtis. Hampton had been ill for some time. The funeral is set for 1 PM CST this Friday, 2/25 at the A R LInks Funeral Home, 78th and Cottage Grove, Chicago, Illinois. Fred asked me to get the news out to the Beach Music and Doo Wop communities so if you would pass this on Fred would really appreciate it. Willie C. See the Cafe at: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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