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Spectropop - Digest Number 1838

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Tim Hardin
           From: Rob 
      2. Re: Bobby Russell on Hit
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      3. more Mark Thatcher to musica
           From: Tom Diehl 
      4. Re: I. Kadez on Hit
           From: Stabler 
      5. Re: Hit label
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      6. Re: Nightriders - "It's Only The Dog"; Ludix
           From: Artie Wayne 
      7. Re: duplicated catalogue numbers
           From: Various 
      8. Re: Stacy, the label
           From: Gary Myers 
      9. Re: "Do The Blue Beat" (Ray Rivera & Mark Thatcher versions)
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
     10. Frankie Valli version of "Natural Morning"?
           From: Eddy Smit 
     11. Re: duelling Dick Dales
           From: Tony Waitekus 
     12. Re: Lou Christie's "Original Sinner"
           From: Clark Besch 
     13. Re: Nightriders/Idle Race CD situation
           From: Scott Charbonneau 

Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:26:23 -0000 From: Rob Subject: Re: Tim Hardin Bill Reed wrote: > "Tim came on stage looking like a Teddy Bear that had all the > stuffing pulled out, water poured all over it and left out in the sun > for a week. But when he opened his mouth to sing he still > sounded like an angel." Yes, and Tim's Homecoming Concert CD, from 1980, is also astounding. His singing is full of such emotion and depth in this concert that you can't help but be overcome with emotion yourself when you hear it. Mind-blowing stuff. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:49:15 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Bobby Russell on Hit Phil M. asked: > Did Bobby Russell ever, as has been said about Sandy Posey, > wind up doing the Hit cover of any of his own hits? Sort of. How about the original version, AND cover version of a song, all rolled into one? Bobby Russell did the original version of "Sure Gonna Miss Her" (his composition), several months before Gary Lewis & The Playboys made it a hit. It came out under the title "I'm Going To Miss Her" on the album "Current Hits Vol. 27", and on a single on Hit (as "Sure Gonna Miss Her") by the imaginary group The Chellows. At this point it wasn't a cover, since the song had not yet reached the charts. It was one of several originals by Bobby Russell and/or Bergen White that was used as B-sides and album filler at the time. AFTER Gary Lewis scored with the song, the folks at Hit put it out again, but this time under the name Ed Hardin. This "appeared" to be a cover version, but Spectropoppers know better. :-) After Russell's songwriting career took off in 1968, the Hit label had a field day covering his songs. Their "26 Top Hits" album had "Honey" as the top-billed song (written in giant letters on the cover), and it's interesting to note there were three-year-old Bobby Russell tracks tacked on to the release. On a later 1968 album, mixed in with covers of psychedelic hits such as "Hello I Love You" and "Sunshine Of Your Love", what do we find? The three-year-old Bobby Russell original recording of "Sure Gonna Miss Her", making yet another appearance. Recycling at its finest. On "Sure Gonna Miss Her", Gary Lewis was covering Bobby Russell, but in the strange world of the Hit label, Bobby Russell was able to cover Gary Lewis as well, recording versions of songs such as "She's Just My Style" and "Green Grass". Re: The Gentrys and Hit Records, I recall hearing that Larry Butler of the group played piano on some sessions for Hit and Spar. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:53:16 -0000 From: Tom Diehl Subject: more Mark Thatcher to musica Lyn Nuttall wrote: > Following the good response to my previous posts about the Mark > Barkan-Ben Raleigh song "Do The Blue Beat (The Jamaican Ska)" > I've posted Mark Thatcher's 1964 version to musica. I am quite familiar with the name Mark Thatcher, having recently acquired a promotional copy of his only 45 for the Diamond label (D-250), "Tell Him You've Got Someone Else" b/w "Did You Give The World Some Love Today, Babe?" My copy is in horrible shape, but I cleaned it up as best I could and played the A-side to musica. I then sent Mark's "Do The Blue Beat" side to a friend of mine here at school who is a ska aficionado, but he hated it, saying it was more soul than ska due to the horns and the lack of syncopated guitar rhythms. Either way, enjoy "Tell Him ..." Does anyone have any info on Mark? Is he still alive, and if so, doing what these days? Tom "Diamond Hunter" Diehl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:56:05 -0000 From: Stabler Subject: Re: I. Kadez on Hit Paul Urbahns wrote: > Bobby Russell did about 90 percent of the white lead vocals > on Hit ... So Bobby Russell was most likely the mysterious I. Kadez who did the Hit version of "Louie Louie". But since "I. Kadez" is such an odd construction, what is the meaning? Could be "I Can Dance" or "1 K (kilo) a day" or "Zedaki" backwards or something else. Any other guesses? Clay S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:46:46 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Re: Hit label Phil M. asked: > Did Russell ever, as has been said about Sandy Posey, wind > up doing the Hit cover of any of his own hits? The Sandy Posey songs were sung by music industry veteran Ricky Page. Bobby Russell did all his original compositions on Hit as far as I can tell as soundalikes. David wrote: > Never have found out whether the John Preston on the Hit version > of Walking Proud" (orig. by Johnny Crawford?) is the same as > Johnny Preston who did "Running Bear." Nope, that's another made-up name. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Nightriders - "It's Only The Dog"; Ludix Phil Milstein wrote: > ... I am sure the Wayne in this credit was not him but > rather our own Artie Wayne, who a year prior to this > 1966 release produced a version of "It's Only The Dog" > on The Kingsmen, for Wand. Phil ... How ya'doin'? What a surprise -- I never knew we had a cover on "It's Only The Dog". I'd love to hear it. > The publishing credit on "It's Only The Dog" reads "Ludix > Music," which I imagine refers to Scepter/Wand A&R chief > Luther Dixon. The book I'm currently reading, Genya Ravan's > memoir "Lollipop Lounge," cryptically refers to Dixon as > "aka Barney Williams." Anyone know what that means? > It also refers to him as "Florence Greenberg's boyfriend," > which is news to me. Yes, Luther Dixon was the long-time boyfriend of Florence Greenberg, who owned Scepter Records. Regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:32:54 -0800 From: Various Subject: Re: duplicated catalogue numbers A wrap-up of responses to Chris Rowling's comment and question on duplicate catalogue numbers: ----- Chris Rowling wrote: > In my 5000-strong collection of sixties 45s there is only one > single on the Hit label and that is Chuck Reed's Just Plain > Hurt, but according to these listings there were two releases > with the catalogue number #101, the other one being The > Belles' Boy Next Door. Jeff Lemlich: Despite the Nashville address, I'm pretty sure this Hit label is not related to the soundalike label. ----- > Does anyone know any other instances of the same catalogue > number being used twice? ----- Gary Myers: Lenny LaCour had several labels in Chicago and Milwaukee during the '60s-'70s and he reused numbers all the time, sometimes more than twice. It's a discographer's nightmare! ----- Hasse Huss: The first one that springs to mind is Philles 123, Darlene Love’s wonderful "Stumble And Fall" / "(He's A) Quiet Guy", which was withdrawn, the catalogue number given to The Ronettes "Walking In The Rain" / "How Does It Feel?". From the brief time in 1964 (at age 12) that I was on the Philles mailing list, I am the proud owner of the Darlene Love single! For a truly disorganised catalogue, look no further than the late Rufus Mitchell’s great Ru-Jac label. There were at least six records given only three numbers in the erratic series, the best of which are: Ru-Jac 0017, which designates both Winfield Parker's "I Love You Just The Same" (the earlier, rarer version) / "My Love" and Rita Doryse's "Please Let Me Love You" / "Goodie Goodie"; and Ru-Jac 0020, which is both Winfield Parker's "Sweet Little Girl" / "What Do You Say" and the very scarce "I Can't Stay Away" / "Who Can It Be" by The Caressors. Discographies list the excellent "It's Love I Need" / "Sweetheart" by Kitty Lane (at one point the Baltimore company's receptionist) as Ru-Jac 0019; I have it on Ru-Jac 0018, a number also given to The Henchmen's "She Still Loves You" / "Think Of Me". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:44:14 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Stacy, the label Max Weiner wrote: > I just aquired a vintage Al Casey 45 from James Holvay. It was > issued on STACY Records out of Chicago. Would anybody have > any input on this label, and maybe an idea who else recorded on it? I've recently been in touch with a guy who knows a lot about it. I'll forward your question to him. Also, there was a Wisconsin connection to a few Stacy releases, and there is a discog. in Ken Clee's Stak-O-Wax. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:38:47 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: "Do The Blue Beat" (Ray Rivera & Mark Thatcher versions) Davie Gordon wrote: > It looks as if they were issued more or less simultaneously. > Curious that both singles couple both the same songs -- > that must be pretty unusual. Thanks once again, Davie. I've updated my page with your contribution. The double-sided duplication is interesting: it reminds me of the Diamonds covering both sides of The Rays' "Silhouettes " /"Daddy Cool," but no doubt there are other cases. Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:07:46 +0100 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Frankie Valli version of "Natural Morning"? Has Frankie Valli's version of the Mark Radice song "Natural Morning" ever been released anywhere? Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:32:06 -0600 From: Tony Waitekus Subject: Re: duelling Dick Dales Clark Besch asked: > What's with this new Lawrence Welk Band tour and Dick Dale > being a part of that with people like Big "Tiny" Little? Lawrence Welk's Dick Dale had been on Welk's TV show for many years as a singer and sax player. He was hired by Welk from the polka band The Six Fat Dutchmen. The surf guitar Dick Dale is a different person. Tony Waitekus -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:38:35 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Lou Christie's "Original Sinner" Wes Smith wrote: > Although by now probably known by most, in case there may be > any lingering doubts as to who sang backups on the Lou Christie > "Lightnin' Strikes" sessions, with the release of the Lou Christie > compilation "Original Sinner Man (Very Best Of The MGM > Recordings)," thanks to Harry Young's meticulous research. Work is underway for the Columbia stuff on CD now, so everyone get those Lou "Sinner Man" CDs and start playin them so you'll be ready when "Self Expressionism"* comes out. Clark *That is not the name of the CD ... yet! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:36:41 -0000 From: Scott Charbonneau Subject: Re: Nightriders/Idle Race CD situation Both sides of "It's Only The Dog" / "Your Friend" were granted a legitimate reissue when EMI put out the 2-CD Idle Race anthology "Back To The Story" in 1996. Long out-of-print, when this CD turns up on eBay these days it commands almost as much money as The Nightriders 45 itself does. There had been rumblings last year about an Idle Race box set from EMI, but nothing more seems to have developed on it. Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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