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Spectropop - Digest Number 1837

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. "It's A Gas", etc
           From: Pres 
      2. The Avons on Hit
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      3. Lou Christie: "Original Sinner"
           From: Wes Smith 
      4. Repeated Cat #s ?
           From: Chris Rowling 
      5. Tim Hardin
           From: Bill Reed 
      6. The death of vinyl
           From: Joe Nelson 
      7. Cover records as weapons
           From: Artie Wayne 
      8. Flamma Sherman
           From: Ashley Brittin 
      9. "Wildlife" LP
           From: Eddy 
     10. Gus Backus
           From: Country Paul 
     11. HIT Records
           From: Mikey 
     12. Cheapo labels Yahoogroup
           From: Davie Gordon 
     13. Beach Boys on X and Candix
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     14. New Mamas and Papas PBS Special
           From: Richard 
     15. Motown re-releases
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     16. Re: Mark Thatcher's "Do The Blue Beat" at Musica
           From: Davie Gordon 
     17. The Stacy label
           From: Max Weiner 
     18. Vicki Lawrence
           From: Bob Celli 
     19. Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     20. Re: The Beach Boys on X
           From: John Berg 
     21. Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog
           From: Barry Margolis 
     22. Re: Hardin/Nico/Bruce
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     23. Re: covers on "Hit"
           From: Bobster 
     24. Re: Stacy, the label
           From: Bobster 
     25. matters of time
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:50:26 -0500 From: Pres Subject: "It's A Gas", etc Austin Roberts writes: > I can't remember if I put this in here earlier, but, I've got a > friend on the coast (west) who wrote 'Saved By The Bell', some Andy > Griffiths, Green Acres, Gomer Pyle etc. He also wrote, a long ass > time ago, 'IT'S A GAS' for Mad Magazine. It was an insrumental that > would stop occasionally and you'd hear someone let loose with a > prize winning burp. I remember hearing it as a kid. He also wrote > Ral Donner's, 'GIRL BEST FRIEND'. Funny guy named Sam Bobrick from > Chicago. I have this on "Hey, Look What I Found, Vol.4" and wondered who in their right mind... When I saw the artist listed as "Alfred E. Neuman" I assumed there was a MAD tie in somewhere. Pretty cool record, though. Also on that cd you could find recent topic, "Noshville Katz" and "Hey-Da-Da-Dow" as mentioned in the 2 of Clubs article. pres p.s. In my recent post on Mr. Davis I mentioned "I Keep Coming Back" as a great little beach tune when I meant "I'll Be Right Here". It appears that the typing sober isn't working so I think I'll start drinking when I read email. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:52:14 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: The Avons on Hit David Bell: > I recall a conversation I had with Mick a couple of years ago about > the group and I remember him saying that they recorded under aliases > for the Hit label. Does anyone have a listing of what they recorded > and under which names? There are some black girl group vocal records in the early days that I cannot place the voices. Ted Jarrett told me he "might" have used the Avons on some of the Hit Records but said his menory was about as long as his nose. I don't know if he was avoiding the question or honestly didn't remember. However the interviews I have had with others in the music business they selgom know much about what they did. I only have one song by the Avons on the Chapel Of Love 3 CD set. If I had better recordings of them I might be able to come up with something. I know that doesn't answer your question but I would say he did use them at least as background singers if nothing else. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:46:40 -0000 From: Wes Smith Subject: Lou Christie: "Original Sinner" Although by now probably known by most, in case there may be any lingering doubts as to who sang backups on the Lou Christie "LIGHTNIN' STRIKES" sessions, with the release of the Lou Christie compilation, "ORIGINAL SINNER MAN" (VERY BEST OF THE MGM RECORDINGS), thanks to Harry Young's meticulous research (with lots of knowedgable help, as credited in the liner notes), it is quite clear that the backups were done by Bernadette Carroll (formerly of the Starlets, as well as being a great solo artist in her own right), Denise Ferri (formerly of the Delicates), and Peggy Santiglia (also formerly of the Delicates, as well as the Angels). And of course, each of these three ladies have worked on TONS of other studio recordings over the years, both solo, and together. Mr. Young (the compilation producer), and everyone else who had a contribution to this release are to be commended for their dedicated work on this excellent package that was long overdue. Wes Smith P.S. ...A great session photo of Lou, Bernadette, Denise, and Peggy is included in the liner notes....a rarity worth the cost alone, and THE MUSIC makes this package a "Best Buy" for all Lou Christie fans! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:31:44 -0000 From: Chris Rowling Subject: Repeated Cat #s ? In my 5000-strong collection of sixties 45s there is only one single on the HIT label and that is Chuck Reed Just Plain Hurt but according to these listings there were two releases with the catalogue number #101 the other one being The Belles Boy Next Door. This has happened only very occasionally where the record company has made a slip-up, the other one that comes to mind is (in UK) Pye International 7N 25500. The two were RAY CHARLES SINGERS This Is My Prayer and THE WINSTONS Love Of The Common People. When I was a lad I used to go to the record shop to buy records with the catalogue number in my head it was a big shop in Aberdeen and stocked every new release by label and number. However these days I find if I rely on my memory then wires get crossed. It's better to look these things up in a catalogue. Does anyone know any other instances of the same catalogue number being used twice? By the way if anyone is interested in that Hit 45 it's on ebay uk at the moment just do a search for Chuck Reed regards Chris Rowling -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:29:44 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Tim Hardin Phil M: > ... Tim Hardin's "Reason To Believe" ... I've just started reading > Genya Ravan's memoir, "Lollipop Lounge." So far, so good. I skipped > ahead a bit, and found a part in which she mentions hanging out with > Hardin I knew Tim at the very beginning and then again at the end. His last years were, to put it mildly, not pretty. I wrote about him in my memoir "Early Plastic." Here a passage from what happened one night when he got up on stage with Nico at the Whiskey in L.A. not long before he died. Probably NOT, by the way, natural causes as reported by the coroner" "I was there at Whiskey a Go Go in Hollywood in the summer of 1980 when headliner Nico invited him to join her as a surprise guest. It was one of the last performances he ever gave. Nico, who also wasn't long for this world, had the nerve to sing "Deutshland Uber Allas" in person. She had only droned her way through a couple of bars of the Nazi national anthem, when she began having to duck beer bottles being thrown at the stage. Then she introduced Tim, and you could tell trom the crowd's response, hardly a single person in the packed house knew who he was. Tim came on stage looking like a Teddy Bear that had all the stuffing pulled out, water poured all over it and left out in the sun for a week. But when he opened his mouth to sing he still sounded like an angel." Bill Reed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:52:06 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: The death of vinyl Clark Besch: > By the way, I got a message from Tim at Sundazed that despite the > closing of their vinyl manufacturer, Sundazed will ALWAYS make vinyl > records! Yippee! The question is: how? Joe Nelson (becoming more convinced with every CD reissue I hear that it was all in the vinyl to begin with...) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Cover records as weapons Phil M: > Great story, Artie -- as always. This is the first I've heard > that covers could be used as competitive weapons! Was that a > standard operating procedure within the industry, or did you > think it up yourself? At one time, when publishers were more than bankers [early 60's through the 70's] they could control the release of the first recording of a song. Many times both Ed Silvers and I [working together at April-Blackwood/ Scepter records/ Viva music/ and Warner Bros. music] were burned by producers who promised, but wound up not recording a particular title. Sometimes we'd be asked to hold on to a song for months obviously missing the dates of other artists who could do the song. So early on we decided to give limeted "holds" to producers we could trust ...and give a "little rope" to those we didn't. I don't know if we were the first to use cover records as a weapon, but we had to show a little muscle from time to time, so we wouldn't get run over. Regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:00:41 -0000 From: Ashley Brittin Subject: Flamma Sherman I think that "No need to explain" is a OK song but I think "Where is he" is better. I will try and put it on musica but I am not sure how. regards, Ashley Brittin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:47:39 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: "Wildlife" LP Clark Besch: > ... Wildlife Lp ... Has anyone ever run across this Lp? Yes, I have a copy. It's a UK only release, which explains why you basically don't come across it elsewhere. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:08:56 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Gus Backus Back to playing catch-up again..... Bill Reed re: Del Vikings; > Though not strictly speaking an original member, Gus Backus > joined the group early enough to have sung the lead on "Cool > Shake". I think that more or less qualifies him as a "surviving > group member". After leaving the Del Vikings, he had a monster > hit solo in Japan (Short on Love), then went on to carve out a > very solid solo career in Germany. Here is his web site (all in > German, alas): I seem to remember he had a version of "Wooden Heart" on Fonograf. Used to see it in the list of artists below the song title in CashBox; never heard it, though. Credit Where Due: the Sparky's Magic Piano post wasn't mine. (But thanks for thinking of me....) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:58:34 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: HIT Records The HIT version of My Boyfriends Back is credited to "The Dacrons" as mentioned. However the girl group that did the original was not The Chiffons, but The Angels. Also, the John Preston who did "Walking Proud' was NOT the same artist who did "Running Bear". Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:55:40 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Cheapo labels Yahoogroup There's a Yahoogroup devoted to labels that specialised in cover versions at: Here's the group's mission statement : The Cheapo labels mailing list was created to provide a place for discussion of anything concerning so called budget labels that flooded the market with cover recordings of hits of the day as soon as the hit versions climbed up the top lists. A certain focus is meant to be on country and rock'n'roll covers from the late 1940's to the early 1960's. Examples of record labels in this category are: 18 Top Hits, 4 Star, Alcar, Artistic, Bell, Big 4 Hits, Big 6, Blue Ribbon, Broadway, Dixie, Dollar Record Club, EP 4 Hits, Family Library, Folk Music Center, Folk Music (Inc.), Gilmar, Grand Award, Hep,Hit, Hit Parader, Irene, Jeb, Kentucky, Melody, Musiclub, Parade, Park, Popular, Prom, Promenade, Record Pak, Remington, Rondo, Royale, Top Hit Tunes,Top Ten, Tops, Value, Variety, Varsity, Waldorf, Western, Western 1, Worthmore. Label listings and artists' discographies as well as discussions concerning label history and artist identities are encouraged. ============================ Davie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:01:53 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Beach Boys on X and Candix Steve Propes wrote: > Based on the number of X versions I've either acquired or >come > across (probably a dozen), I have problem with that >500 number. > Any record pressed in that low a quantity, would be a once-in-a- > lifetime sighting, if that, not a dozen copies+ record. Most > everyone I know who collects Beach Boy singles has at least one, > thus there's not a lot of demand among serious collectors of the > group, so a whole lot survive for that low a pressing run. As a long standing British BB collector, there would certainly be a demand over here! Some folk over here have a Candix copy, but very very few would have an X copy. I certainly don't, nor have I ever even seen one. I'm very envious of those of you who were able to buy them originally, and I've enjoyed the discussion. I'm now fixed with the image of Murry Wilson standing outside early shows selling copies to the kids... Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:01:37 -0000 From: Richard Subject: New Mamas and Papas PBS Special The new PBS Special on The Mamas and The Papas I am pleased to herald a new television docu-retro-production on the group. "California Dreamin'- The Songs of The Mamas and The Papas" will begin showing on Public Television across the USA. Here is the program description. This is a quality production and DOES have new, "unseen things." DVD's will be available by pledging to PBS, and probably otherwise subsequent to its initial foray on PBS. Watch your local listings. Michelle Phillips will be making a number of live appearances at various PBS Studios across the country in association with the broadcast. "CALIFORNIA DREAMIN' – THE SONGS OF THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS, a one-hour special celebrating the harmonious poprock group, highlights a wealth of classic television performances that have not been seen for more than 35 years. The special blends full-performance clips, rare home movies, exclusive interviews with members Michelle Phillips, the late John Phillips and Denny Doherty, and vintage footage of the late Mama Cass Elliot. The hit songs featured include "Monday, Monday," "Dedicated to the One I Love ," "I Call Your Name," "Words of Love," "Dancing in the Street," "I Saw Her Again," "Creeque Alley" and "California Dreamin'." Family, friends and colleagues – including Michelle and John Phillips' daughter Chynna (of Wilson-Phillips fame), Mama Cass'daughter Owen, legendary record producer Lou Adler, and contemporary performing colleagues John Sebastian and Barry McGuire – offer colorful commentary. You can read more about it at: Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:02:35 -0000 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Motown re-releases With ref to the discussions about the future possibilities for the Motown back and unreleased catalogue, I would be interested to hear anyone's ideas offlist about what they would like to see. I will shortly be in a good position to pass any ideas on to the source. Please make contact if you have good and interesting suggestions... Kingsley Abbott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:03:36 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: Mark Thatcher's "Do The Blue Beat" at Musica Lyn Nuttall wrote: > Following the good response to my previous posts about the Mark > Barkan-Ben Raleigh song "Do The Blue Beat (The Jamaican Ska)" I've > posted Mark Thatcher's 1964 version to musica, having just acquired > the 45. It was on United Artists, #734, produced by Jack Gold. It's > possible this is the original version, although Ray Rivera also had > a single of it on RCA in '64 which could be the original, and for > all I know there could be other versions. Hi Lyn, The Ray Rivera single was reviewed in Billboard for June 13, 1964. The Mark Thatcher version wasn't reviewed but the next UA release (# 735) was reviewed in the June 20th issue so it looks as if they were issued more or less simultaneously. Curious that both singles couple both the same songs - that must be pretty unusual. Davie Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:16:58 -0800 (PST) From: Max Weiner Subject: The Stacy label Hello All; I just aquired a vintage Al Casey 45 from James Holvay. It was issued on STACY Records out of Chicago. Would anybody have any input on this label, and maybe an idea who else recorded on it? Thanks much in advance, folks (again!). max -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:48:04 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Vicki Lawrence Paul Urbahns wrote: > Bobby Russell did about 90 percent of the white lead vocals on Hit > (including all the early Elvis songs) and a few of the black vpcal > leads. On the black vocal leads I call it Red Headed Soul as Bobby > Russell was red-headed. Phil M: > I believe he was also married to a redhead, Vicki Lawrence, for whom > he wrote "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia." Did Russell ever, > as has been said about Sandy Posey, wind up doing the Hit cover of > any of his own hits? I recall talking to Snuff Garrett years ago and him telling me that he was going to be on the Vicki Lawrence TV show. I watched the show when it aired and she introduced Snuff and told about how he had produced her hit, "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" and then mentioned that her son Garrett was named after Snuff. Just a little bit of useless trivia! Bob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:27:36 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog Scott Charbonneau wrote: > This was Jeff Lynne's first vinyl release. Shortly after this The > Nightriders changed their name to The Idle Race. The label credits reveal some pretty interesting things going on here. This "Claire Francis Production" is of a song by "Wayne-McCracken." I don't know if Carl Wayne was in The Nightriders, but even if so I am sure the Wayne in this credit was not him but rather our own Artie Wayne, who a year prior to this 1966 release produced a version of "It's Only The Dog" on The Kingsmen, for Wand. Thus, The Nightriders' version includes involvement by two people who I don't believe knew each other at the time (despite having started their careers in roughly the same time and place), but who nearly four decades later would meet up here in cyberSpectroland. The publishing credit on "It's Only The Dog" reads "Ludix Music," which I imagine refers to Scepter/Wand A&R chief Luther Dixon. The book I'm currently reading, Genya Ravan's memoir "Lollipop Lounge," cryptically refers to Dixon as "aka Barney Williams." Anyone know what that means? It also refers to him as "Florence Greenberg's boyfriend," which is news to me. But then "Lollipop Lounge" is stuffed to the brim with great ex post facto gossip such as that, and Ravan's prose indicates that, as great a singer (and/or producer) as she may have been, she missed her calling by not having been doing it all along. (And she seems to have actually written it by herself.) As of right now there's 6 hours to go before the auction expires on The Nightriders' record, and it is already in nosebleed territory, with a top bid in excess of $150. If whoever wins it happens to be a fellow Spectroperson I hope he or she will be able to play it to musica for us, once it arrives and all. Elsewise, the eBay page includes a RealAudio link to hear an excerpt of the song: Dog, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:37:42 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: The Beach Boys on X I bought my copy of "Surfin'" on the X label at my local music store in La Habra, Calfornia, where I grew up. It stayed virtually unplayed in the back of my 45s stack for many years until around 10 years ago I took a box of old records with me on a business trip from Seattle (where I've lived since 1985) down to San Diego hoping that I could exchange some stuff for a few psych reissues I "had" to have (at the time). The store there, Off The Record, gave me maybe $10 in trade value for Surfin'. Imagine my chagrin more recently to discover that it now fetches -- well, a LOT more than $10 -- like around $1000. But that's the way it goes in this nutso world of music collecting. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:10:44 -0600 From: Barry Margolis Subject: Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog Scott Charbonneau wrote: > This was Jeff Lynne's first vinyl release. Shortly after this The > Nightriders changed their name to The Idle Race. Here's the information I have on The Nightriders. personnel: Jeff Lynne: gtr Greg Masters: bs, vcls Dave Pritchard: gtr, vcls Roger Spencer: drms 45s: Love Me Right Now / Your Friend (promo only) (Polydor 56066, 1966) It's Only The Dog / Your Friend (Polydor 56116, 1966) Formerly Mike Sheridan & The Nightriders, this Birmingham combo became The Nightriders when Sheridan left. Just one 45 was released under this moniker, and it's inevitably rare and sought-after. You'll also find "It's Only The Dog" on Electric Sugar Cube Flashbacks, Vol.'s 1 and 3. Even more expensive and harder to find would be the promo-only recording of "Love Me Right Now." By May 1966 the trio had teamed up with Jeff Lynne to form Idle Race. Barry in Minneapolis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:31:00 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Hardin/Nico/Bruce Bill Reed wrote: > "I was there at Whiskey a Go Go in Hollywood in the summer of 1980 > when headliner Nico invited him to join her as a surprise guest. It > was one of the last performances he ever gave. Nico, who also wasn't > long for this world, had the nerve to sing "Deutshland Uber Allas" in > person. She had only droned her way through a couple of bars of the > Nazi national anthem, when she began having to duck beer bottles > being thrown at the stage. ..." Good to hear that not every audience sat still for her audacious turns at "Das Lied Der Deutschland" (the official title of "Deutschland Über Alles"). Nico recorded a Hardin composition, "Eulogy To Lenny Bruce," on her first solo album. Is Hardin's version readily available? I have on cassette A (if not THE) version by him that I dubbed from a friend's copy of a Lenny Bruce tribute album, which I intend to post to my "Probe" site soon. Also from that album is a recording of Lenny's daughter Kitty, then 10 y.o., singing a mesmerizing a capella version of "Yesterday," which Lenny "engineered" for her in the last week of his life. The nexus of Hardin/Nico/Bruce is especially fitting, in a tragic way, in that all three died from the effects of heroin. (Kitty remains alive and, at last report, well, operating some kind of a shoppe in Pennsylvania.) Bill, your memoir sounds fascinating -- is it available in any form? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:23:27 EST From: Bobster Subject: Re: covers on "Hit" When I was a kid we had the HIT 45 of "Walk Right In" by The Music City Singers." My mom had purchased the 45, probably not realizing that she was getting ripped off and that she did not have The Rooftop Singers on Vanguard. I didn't realize it either until years later, when I heard, once more, the original version that I had loved on the radio. I seem to recall the fake version as being slightly distorted and slightly faster, not to mention sung decidedly less well. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:18:52 EST From: Bobster Subject: Re: Stacy, the label Max Weiner asked: > I just aquired a vintage Al Casey 45 from James Holvay. It was > issued on Stacy Records out of Chicago. Would anybody have > any input on this label, and maybe an idea who else recorded > on it? Stacy existed as a label during the late '50s and early '60s, and primarily had R&B and blues artists. The offices were probably located on what we used to call Record Row (the 1100-1600 blocks of S. Michigan and S. Wabash Avenues), or else further south in the city. Al Casey was, without question, the most successful artist ever to grace the label. Also on Stacy was The Torkays' "Karate" / "I Don't Like It," from 1963. A great song, although it never charted. I know next to nothing about the group. "Karate" is a good mix of soul and pop, reminiscent -- for me, having grown up in Chicago – of a very Midwestern sound indeed. The lyrics sound a little like "16 Tons": I went to the ball park with my girl last night I got into a terrible fight My jaw was swollen nearly all of the way I met up with that thing they call Karate Hope this helps, Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:50:27 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: matters of time When a 45 I'd ordered showed up in today's mail, I noticed something on the label that piqued my curiosity. The time on the A-side was listed straightforwardly, but the B-side listed both the whole time and the "intro" time. The record was a promo (with a different song on each side), and I'm aware that intro times were often listed on 45s to enable DJs to time their talkovers. But I can't fathom why an intro time would be listed on a B-side at all, let alone on the B but not on the A. (Not having played the record yet, I suppose it's possible that the A starts "cold," i.e. with no intro, but that's a longshot.) Were intro times ever broken out on stock copies of records? Now that I think of it I'm not sure why record companies would bother listing times on their stock copies at all! Would a home listener choose a 2:10 record over a 2:50 one in order to save 40 seconds to make an appointment? Perhaps it was a holdover from the days before promo copies were separately designated, and labels would be the same on both promos and stocks. Timing out, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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