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Spectropop - Digest Number 1811

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. ALP / The Vikings / Claire Francis
           From: Frank Murphy 
      2. Re: Razor's Edge
           From: Michael Thom 
      3. Re: Harry Pitch and The Beatles
           From: Dave Heasman 
      4. Re: Harry Pitch, Frank Ifield and the Beatles
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. Re: answering the answers
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      6. Re: more Bob Moore
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      7. Goldie & the Gingerbreads
           From: S'pop 
      8. Frequently misheard lyrics: the case of 'He Is The Boy'
           From: Hans Huss 
      9. Re: Harry Pitch and The Beatles
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
     10. Re: Frank Ifield / The Montanas / "Secret Love"
           From: David Coyle 
     11. Re: Toni Fisher
           From: Peter Lerner 
     12. "Little Star"
           From: Austin Roberts 
     13. Re: (Miss)Toni Fisher
           From: Tom Diehl 
     14. Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic
           From: Karen Andrew 
     15. Re: Samantha Jones
           From: Peter Lerner 
     16. Chuck Berry "Czech me out"
           From: Karen Andrew 
     17. Re: (Miss)Toni Fisher
           From: Barry Margolis 
     18. Eddie Rambeau sings Al Kooper?
           From: Steve Fuji 
     19. Wayne Newton's "Better Now Than Later" (Artie Wayne/Ben Raleigh)
           From: Julio Niño 

Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:47:47 +0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: ALP / The Vikings / Claire Francis The Vikings at the time of the following recording were Donnie Coutts, Mike Fraser, Alan Gorrie bass, Dougie Wightman drums Drew Larg vocals. ALP Records were an offshoot of ventures promoted by pirate station Radio Scotland and Andy Lothian. Releases included: My Baby’s not there/When my baby cries - The Poor Souls It’s gonna be morning/I wanna hear you say yeah - The Hi Fi’s Love Me/ Please don’t change your mind - The Poor Souls Friday night/ Lonely boy - The Red Hawkes Bad News feeling/ What can I do - The Vikings "It was left to the Vikings to try for Alp’s elusive hit, with Bad news feeling, a Paul Simon Song." Here's an extract from the history of Scottish Rock and Pop by Brian Hogg: "We joined the label in 1966," recalls Donnie Coutts, "and were given songs to learn for a producer, a lady from Brooklyn who took her little dog everywhere. We passed the audition, but the record was a shambles. We didn't know what we wanted to do. There was a harpsichord sitting in the corner and we suddenly thought, 'That’s a good idea.' It became the dominant thing on the single. The B-side was recorded in precisely six minutes because the studio was booked for someone else. I knew it was guaranteed a play on Radio Luxembourg between 12 and 12.15 because that was the Polydor slot. I used to sit up every night and think I was a star. It actually sold about 1,200 copies." Brian Hogg adds, "There never was a Simon and Garfunkel version of 'Bad news Feeling', which is not entirely surprising. It was a largely undistinguished composition but in the prevailing folk-rock climate Polydor eagerly grabbed the hitherto hidden song in the hope it would emulate 'Sound of Silence' or 'Homeward Bound'. The single is ordinary rather than bad, while the fey harpsichord is unnecessary. 'What can I do' was superior, but being completed so hurriedly resembles a demo rather than a finished master." Frank Murphy reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm or listen to an archive show -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:16:25 -0600 From: Michael Thom Subject: Re: Razor's Edge James Botticelli wrote: > Guess what I got as a late holiday gift? The Razor's Edge - "Let's > Call It A Day Girl". The original 45 on Pow! Records. RP wrote: > And check out the flip side, "Avril". I have their follow-45 on Pow!, also: "Baby's On His Way"/"True Patron of the Arts" (Pow! 105), and another single on the Canadian REO, "Don't Let Me Catch You in His Arms"/"Night and Day" (REO 8969). REO was distributed by Quality. I'm not sure if the REO single precedes or follows the US releases on Pow!. All are in the same sunshine pop vein. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:52:24 -0000 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Harry Pitch and The Beatles Mike Edwards: > I wonder if it was Harry's playing on this 45 (a huge hit in the UK > that year) that encouraged the Beatles to include the harmonica > intro on "Love Me Do" ... Certainly the Beatles went on to issue an > LP with Frank Ifield in 1964. Very much doubt it. Proper funky harmonicas could be heard on "Hey Baby", Roy Orbison's "Candy Man" & Ann Margret's "I Just Don't Understand". That sound was in the air. The Beatles didn't issue an LP with Ifield, EMI did. Dave, chromatically challenged in London -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Harry Pitch, Frank Ifield and the Beatles Mike Edwards wrote: > Certainly the Beatles went on to issue an LP with > Frank Ifield in 1964. That album had little do with the Beatles. It was more of a case of Veejay trying to stretch their rights to the one Beatles lp they had licensed. So they split it with Frank Ifield to make the most of it. Same thing with that Four Seasons vs. The Beatles lp. None of the acts had any say in the issuing of these lps. That said the Beatles do cover "I Remember You" (with Lennon trying to upstage Paul by shouting replies in the background) on the Kingsize Taylor tape of their last gig at the Star Klub. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:58:12 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: answering the answers Pres wrote: > I usually find myself rolling my eyes and wondering why anyone > bothered. The ones that I'm aware of seemed to have little -- if > any -- on the charts except the Shep & The Limelites/The Heartbeats > singles mentioned by Gary Myers earlier. But I never think of those > as answer records -- I see them as more of a serialized novel. I've been wondering lately why some records seem to generate a certain kind of excited attention, demonstrated by such things as answer records, parodies, quickie knockoffs and other artifacts of "buzz," while other records may be every bit as popular, yet fail to inspire such a response. I think it largely has to do with novelty (as in its original meaning of newness) -- in fact "buzz response" most often seems to attach to unknown artists, whose arrival is new and hence striking to the public. On top of that the song itself has to offer some sort of fresh approach -- not necessarily a "novelty record" per se, but one that in some way or other causes the public's ears to perk up, gets them chatting over the office bubbler, etc. Examples abound, but ones that spring immediately to mind include "Leader Of The Pack," "Louie Louie," "They're Coming To Take Me Away," and, more recently, "The Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" and "Achy Breaky Heart." Am I anywhere close to cracking this timeless riddle, or am I simply a bit off the beam? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:58:21 -0500 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: more Bob Moore R. Stevie Moore wrote: > I miss Roy. Checketh this out: > > Please don't miss these links if you can help it, as there's some terrific photos and fascinating text to be found there. What R. Stevie neglects to mention is that Bob Moore, the focal point of these links and one of the premiere Nashville bassists of his time, is his father. In fact, if I read his stories correctly, Roy Orbison was a close friend of the family as he (R. Stevie that is, not Roy O.) was growing up. Color me sincerely impressed. The closest thing to a celebrity among my parents' friends when I was a kid was someone who knew the guy who drew Mutt & Jeff. Frank Murphy wrote: > Read the whole story here: > > and a more recent interview here: > I also urge interested parties to not miss Frank's links, as well (if you'll excuse the hot dog humor), both of which include alongside the Middle Of The Road info tons of other interesting pages. The first one, to a Glam Rock site, is particularly rich, while the latter, although more limited, is to a Top Of The Pops (TOTP2 actually, which seems to be a retro spinoff of the main TOTP) page featuring a number of "Where Are They Now" interviews and updates. Happy clicking, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:35:22 -0000 From: S'pop Subject: Goldie & the Gingerbreads Forwarded from the S'pop Public Bulletin Board: Does anyone know whether Goldie & The Gingerbreads ever made an album, or whether a compilation was ever made (LP or, preferably, CD). If so, does anyone have any details? Many thanks, Tim Rolls -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Huss Subject: Frequently misheard lyrics: the case of 'He Is The Boy' Speaking of Little Eva: for years and years I've been trying to decipher the three first lines of 'He Is The Boy'. Another fantastic tune, as fine an example of Klezmer meets R&B on Broadway as you could wish for, but something tells me 'You never set eyes on a passing crate' is not what she sang (even if it were about her boyfriend). I will not embarrass the list with my guesses at the first two lines but please help! HH -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:47 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: Harry Pitch and The Beatles Michael Edwards: > I wonder if it was Harry's playing on this 45 (a huge hit in the UK > that year) that encouraged the Beatles to include the harmonica > intro on "Love Me Do". Other replies have pointed out the lack of a hard link. On the other hand, the Beatles were immersed in the pop music of their day, and were working to impress the current pop audience, so there is a lot of continuity from what we were listening to before Beatlemania to the early works of the Beatles themselves. So if you were used to to hearing The Everlys, Brill Building pop, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Smokey Robinson... it wasn't a great leap to the Beatles, and it wasn't meant to be, because the Beatles knew their audience. The harmonica didn't sound out of place in a new pop song to people who'd dug 'Hey Baby' and 'I Remember You' (there may be other examples), so it was fine for it to go into the Beatles mix. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Frank Ifield / The Montanas / "Secret Love" Mike Edwards: > ... the Beatles went on to issue an LP with Frank Ifield in 1964 Well, not quite. The album entitled "Jolly What! The Beatles and Frank Ifield On Stage" was just another of Vee-Jay's rehashes of the "Introducing The Beatles" LP which was itself a rehash of the British "Please Please Me" LP (another version came out on Capitol as "The Early Beatles"). The LP was probably issued without the knowledge of the Beatles OR Frank Ifield, and certainly was not an "on stage" affair. It was just most of the tracks off or "Introducing..." interspersed with some tracks by Ifield, who I presume was handled in the US by Vee-Jay at the time. "Introducing The Beatles" by the way was also reissued as "The Beatles vs. The Four Seasons," which paired it with a Four Seasons LP as a 2-LP set with scorecards and other cheap extras. I think the Four Seasons lost that battle... Vee-Jay probably did not realize at the time, however, that the Beatles did perform Ifield's "I Remember You" in their early shows, occasionally, notably on their last Star-Club Hamburg appearance which was recorded for posterity. Re: The Montanas. I am one of the thousands of collectors who probably has a copy of the "You've Got To Be Loved" single. I thought it interesting that a song by a UK group was released in the US on a label called Independence, which was red, white and blue and sported a picture of a Revolutionary War-era drum. The "new" mix of the flipside is a bit of a rip-off on the Sequel CD. They probably thought leaving in the stoned mumbling about hay fever might turn off any new Montanas fans... And no, it's not the same tune as the Buckinghams track. Re: "Secret Love." Another good version was recorded in the UK by Ian and the Zodiacs and appeared on the 1963 Oriole LP "This Is Merseybeat." It's a nice Mersey version bordering on early Bluebeat. How many guys or male groups actually covered this song? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:05:52 -0000 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: Toni Fisher Barry is compiling a Miss Toni discography and listed the following: > Signet 3-275 > The Big Hurt/Memphis Belle 1959 > Signet 3-276 > How Deep Is The Ocean/Blue Blue Blue 1960 > Signet 3-279 > Everlasting Love/The Red Sea Of Mars > Signet 3-400 > You Never Told Me/A Man That's Steady > Signet 5-394 > Toot Toot Amore/You Never Told Me > Columbia 4-42066 > Love Big/If I Loved You 1961 > Bigtop 45-3097 > West Of The Wall (same melody as Toot Toot)/What Did I Do 1962 > Bigtop 45-3124 > The Music From The House Next Door/Quickly My Love > Smash > (I know I have at least 2 singles, but they're not handy) > Capitol 5901 > A Million Heartbeats From Now/Train Of Love 1967 > Capitol > (I'm quite sure I have another single, but it's not handy, either) I have the following three 45s on Smash: 1797 Hold me / Laugh or cry 1820 Cry a little for me / Disappointments 1847 Your royal majesty / Billy, marry me "Your royal majesty" is quite an effective translation of Edith Piaf's "Milord". Hope that helps! Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:56:14 -0500 From: Austin Roberts Subject: "Little Star" I love one hit wonders as well. I've always felt there was magic in these records. The artist or group put everything they had into one killer record. My favorite one hitter is the Elegants LITTLE STAR. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:59:20 -0000 From: Tom Diehl Subject: Re: (Miss)Toni Fisher Barry Margolis wrote: > I'd like to compile a complete (Miss) Toni Fisher discography. Austin Powellwrote: > Don't know of a discography, but Harkit Records in the UK has a > rather nice 27-track CD with much of her Signet, Big Top, Capitol > stuff. Her son Michael Shanklin helped out with the project. However I've read in a few places that several Signet single sides are missing from the cd. Maybe it should have been a 2 cd set. Tom Diehl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Got to see "Ray" the movie on MLK day. What a movie and what a performance by Jamie Fox! I'm bringing this up because, before that day, I did not know who Ahmet Ertegun was. Now I read a Spectropop e-mail (particularly by Claire Francis writing on Ahmet, Atlantic, and Polydor) and I feel like I know something for once. What a great education - Spectropop, movies, and recorded music! Thanks everyone! Karen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:14:24 -0000 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: Samantha Jones My good friend Bill asks Mark Wirtz: > Did you produce the Samantha Jones versions of "Just For Him" or "Put > A Little Love In Your Heart?" Well Bill, I just happen to own both records and can tell you that the United Artists 45 of "Just for him" (a Jackie DeShannon song incidentally) says that it was arranged and conducted by Charles Blackwell, but is silent on the production credit. However the album "My way" on which Samantha's nice version of PALLIYH can be found, says on the sleeve that it was produced by......... No, I won't spoil it for Mark. Let him tell us. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Chuck Berry "Czech me out" Chuck Berry Plays Sold Out Show in Prague. Rock 'n' roll pioneer Chuck Berry enjoyed a sold-out show in what was billed as his first appearance in the Czech capital. Read the rest of the story on Yahoo - here's the link: Karen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:47:09 -0600 From: Barry Margolis Subject: Re: (Miss)Toni Fisher Austin Powell: > ... Harkit Records in the UK has a rather nice 27-track CD with > much of (Toni Fisher's) Signet, Big Top, Capitol stuff. Her son > Michael Shanklin helped out with the project. I've heard that the lowdown on this CD is that they dubbed all tracks from vinyl sources, and the sound is not very good. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:51:08 -0000 From: Steve Fuji Subject: Eddie Rambeau sings Al Kooper? I've been listening to a song called "I Fell In Love So Easily" from Eddie Rambeau's "Concrete and Clay" album which credits songwriters as: Al Kooper-Bob Brass-Irwin Levine. It's a beautiful recording somewhat reminiscent of the Little Anthony and the Imperials style, which is not typical of either Rambeau or Kooper's work. If Al or Ed see this message, do either of you have any recollections regarding this song? Steve Fuji -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:55:22 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: Wayne Newton's "Better Now Than Later" (Artie Wayne/Ben Raleigh) Hola Everybody. Today I have had a rather awful day. This evening I was listening to music, feeling depressed and miserable when suddenly a little song came to my rescue and made me feel better. The tune was "Better Now Than Later" by Wayne Newton, written by Artie Wayne and Ben Raleigh. It's a beautiful song. I wasn't familiar with Wayne Newton, I have just discovered him. I love his type of voice, androgynous and teen sounding, the same kind like Johnny Crawford's or Helen Saphiro's. I also like very much his version of "Heart" (when I listened to it I thought for a second that I was listening to Rita Pavone) and the fantastic "Comin' On Strong", produced by Terry Melcher. Are there any other versions of "Better Now Than Later"? Maybe Artie could tell me some memories about this beautiful little song. Chao. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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