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Spectropop - Digest Number 1791

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Ramrods Rockin'?
           From: Austin Roberts 
      2. Re: Joe Brown, double mono promos
           From: Brent Cash 
      3. Re: Joe Brown
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Way Down Yonder at the Battle of New Orleans
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. BBC and Ads / Joe Brown
           From: Frank Murphy 
      6. Vincent Bell
           From: Andrew C Jones 
      7. "In My Daddy's Arms"
           From: Julio Niño 
      8. Re: Joe Brown
           From: Dave Heasman 
      9. The dawn of Dawn
           From: Keith Moore 
     10. Re: France Gall
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     11. Re: The (current) Crystals
           From: Laura Pinto 
     12. "Now That You´re My Baby"
           From: Julio Niño 
     13. Toni Wine & the Chiffons
           From: Mick Patrick 
     14. Sportgems? Colcraft? Looking for lawyers?
           From: Joe Nelson 
     15. Re: Fascinating archive at Black Cat Rockabilly
           From: Steve Harvey 
     16. Re: Jack Good
           From: Dave Heasman 
     17. An ex-Monkee takes the mike
           From: Karen Andrew 
     18. Re: Joe Brown
           From: Chris de Bruin 
     19. Ronnie Dante @ musica
           From: Laura Pinto 
     20. Re: Rockin' Ramrods / Rockin' Rebels
           From: Davie Gordon 
     21. Spector Bs; Joe Brown; Brian on TV
           From: Country Paul 
     22. Re: Arkade: "Where You Lead" and other leads
           From: Joe Nelson 
     23. Re: Don Costa
           From: Richard Havers 
     24. "Wouldn't It Be Nice" documentary
           From: Phil Chapman 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:58:54 -0500 From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Ramrods Rockin'? Going on stage with a New York band was a lot of fun for a 15-year-old (I figured out when it was). I guess I enjoyed the attention; now the anonimity of being a writer suits me fine (`68 to `77 on the road). You miss a lot with a family, but the pay was good and I quit performing when my son was born in 1977. Still do a few shows, but mostly here in Nashville. AR -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:22:10 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Re: Joe Brown, double mono promos Country Paul wondered about the place of Joe Brown in the British music pantheon . . . I'm an unlearned yank, but Joe must've "loomed large" as it was his rock 'n roll version of "The Sheik Of Araby" that George Harrison did at The Beatles' Decca auditions.He reportedly was also featured on the UK TV shows Six-Five Special and Oh Boy! I believe Joe's daughter is Sam Brown who made a good album called "Stop" around 1987 or '88. Phil Milstein wrote: > I found a record this weekend that was a "double mono," i.e. the same > track on both sides, the same length, etc., and both sides in mono. > I've seen plenty of S/M and double stereos, but can't recall any > other double monos. Was that configuration more common than I realize? I have one of those creatures, too..."Childhood Friends" by The Yellow Payges UNI 55072, same song both sides, same length, both sides mono. Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Joe Brown How timely. I just got done reading the biography of Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran, mainly their 1960 tour of the UK. The one Eddie died on. One of the guys in the book is Joe Brown. He is also on this UK special I have on Eddie, talking about the guitar tricks and such that Eddie used. Joe is also on the Tribute to George special doing "Here Comes the Sun". Nice job. Kind of full circle considering George use to cover Joe Brown and the Bruvvers' tunes in the prefame Beatle days. I think he and Joe were both ukelele fans too. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Way Down Yonder at the Battle of New Orleans Norm D. wrote: > Lonnie Donegan had the hit, cover version in the UK One of the most unlikely covers since Bobby Day, a black man, sang "Three Young Rebs From Georgia". "Battle of New Orleans" is a great tune, but some of the facts are wrong (Jackson never marched down the mighty Mississip). I use the tune in class as an example of a historical song that has taken on aspects of tall tales. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:24:56 +0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: BBC and Ads / Joe Brown Mitchell: > Is the law that forced these changes still in effect in the > UK? Just wondering. Thanks from a long time lurker, There was no law. It's just that the BBC had a particular interpretation on what Public Service Broadcasting was and in their view that was no advertising. It would have been in the legendary producer's guidelines. I'm taking a guess here but in the early days of the BBC there were concerns about Band leaders taking payments from pluggers to play certain songs on the concert shows. That concern may have extended to comedians mentioning certain products in their jokes in hope of a reward from the maufacturer. I note David Letterman has a laugh with this occasionally on The late Show, I think Schlitz Quatro was the last personal recommendation. In other BBC TV shows such as soap operas dummy company names had to be thought up and boxes and tins labeled with non-existent labels. So no Kellogs Corn Flakes on the breakfast table, Twenty Snout cigarettes. This also applied in the early days of commercial TV as the paying advertisers did not want any free plugs for their rivals. Newton and Ridley beer only sold in the Rovers Return in Coronation street for instance. Mind you, I prefer that to the constant product placement that ruins some films. BTW, Joe Brown learned the secret of the sound American rock and roll guitarists when Eddie Cochrane explained they could bend notes because they used Banjo strings. Joe was then in great demand as a session player. Lightweight strings arrived in the UK in the sixties. Frank Murphy reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm or listen to an archive show -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:32:37 -0500 From: Andrew C Jones Subject: Vincent Bell Dan Hughes wrote: > The Vincent Bell in the Ramrods was actually Vincent Bell Lee > (real name Gambella) and he died several years ago, so he wasn't > the famed Vinnie Bell . Actually, I have Vincent Bell's hit single "Airport Love Theme," and the B-side "Marilyn's Theme" is co-written by Vincent Gambella. This could indicate that Bell and Gambella are indeed the same person. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:50:11 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: "In My Daddy's Arms" Hola Everybody. I'm on holidays, idle, and a little ill. This afternoon I was peeping in Cha Cha Charming webpage - - and I was surprised (and attracted) by the title of a song that was mentioned in the playlist section of that magazine: "In My Daddy's Arms" by Kerri Downs. I've being searching for info in the internet but all I find is about a porno star of the same name. Could anybody please inform me about Kerri and that particular song. Thanks in advance. Time to take my aspirin (I love them). Chao. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:56:52 -0000 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Joe Brown Austin Powell: > ...Joe Brown was an "early rock 'n' roller", recording first for > UK Decca as Joe Brown And the Bruvvers Brown was/is a very good guitarist, and made his recording debut as lead guitar on Billy Fury's "The Sound Of Fury" album in early 1960. This album was a highly creditable stab at rockabilly, with good original songs. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:21:23 -0000 From: Keith Moore Subject: The dawn of Dawn Last week I picked up an excellent cd from my local record shop for just £1 - a 1996 re-issue of Dawn's first album, "Candida". I listened with some trepidation as childhood memories (nightmares?) of "Tie A Yellow Ribon.." whirled around my head. I needn't have worried as "Candida" was released in 1970 (before "Yellow Ribon" came along) and features a set of very well produced and catchy pop songs - written by the likes of Toni Wine, Goffin & King and James Taylor. I was also impressed by Tony Orlando's voice - he's a much better singer than I'd remembered. The album comes across as a sort of grown-up Archies sound. My question is this: according to the bubblegum bible "Bubblegum is the Naked Truth" the female vocalists on the first Dawn single "Candida" were Toni Wine and Ellie Greenwich. Is this true? I can't quite tell. And if it is true, do they feature on any of the other tracks? Oh, and if any London-based Spectropoppers fancy getting hold of the cd, there's stacks of them in the bargain basement of CD World, 258-260 Lavender Hill, SW11. Cheers! Keith -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:28:19 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: France Gall Frank wrote: > This is one of the few tracks she recorded for EMI before moving to > Warners. It has not been re-released since. I have it and can try to > play it to musica, but, judging by my previous tentative musica > posting, cannot guarantee the result. Frank, I feel safe in speaking for the entire Spectropop membership in asking you, for the next time you speak to Miss Gall, to extend our deep affection and admiration for her work and for her directly. If you add that this message is from a collection of nearly 1500 hardcore '60s pop fanatics, it might carry that much more weight! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:27:38 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: The (current) Crystals Andrew C Jones wrote: > The day after Christmas, at a local thrift store, I bought -- for > $2.99 -- a new British-made CD called "Da Do Ron Ron," by The > Crystals (Westminster WES4063, copyright 2002). Now, I knew in > advance that this probably wouldn't be the real thing, as the > ladies on the cover looked to be in their late twenties. Also, > many of the tracks weren't ever recorded by the real Crystals -- > two were even "club mixes"! Still, I decided to check the CD out > -- hey, it was only $2.99. Though backed up by a four- or five- > piece band, with keyboads subbing for the horns and strings, the > girls themselves weren't bad at all. Which leads to my question: > does anyone know anything about this Crystals group? Are they > still performing? (The CD looks like one that would be sold at > performances or on a group's website.) Hi, Here's the link to the current Crystals' official website. The track listing of their only-available-online CD, "All Class," which can be purhased through the Rock and Roll Road Show via a link on the Crystals' homepage, sounds a lot like what you described in your post. The track listing appears on the left side of the page. Hope this helps a little! Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:52:40 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: "Now That You´re My Baby" Hola Everybody. I want to thank Jeff for playing the exciting demo of " Now That You Are My Baby". I love Dusty´s version but I prefer the more teen-sounding and hormonal demo. Although I´m not very good identifying voices, I would also say that the singer sounds like Toni Wine. Chao. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:18:48 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Toni Wine & the Chiffons Jeff Lemlich wrote: > I have an original publisher's demo of "Now That You're My > Baby", one of the Dusty B-sides mentioned in a recent post. > Since Toni Wine was a co-writer, I have to suspect she's one > of the singers on the demo. Expect this to turn up on musica > in the near future. What a treat! Thanks a lot for that, Jeff. I agree, the vocalist sure sounds like Toni Wine. I've heard a few of Toni's Screen Gems demos, and this coulld be the best of them all. Her husband, Allan Rinde, is a Spectropop member, although quiet of late. I'll contact him and ask him to make sure Toni hears the track. What's interesting is the fact that the Chiffons' version of "Now That Your My Baby" (on their legendary "My Secret Love" LP on BT Puppy) uses the very same backing track as your demo. To prove it, I've posted the Chiffons' version to musica. Enjoy. Hey, and that wasn't be the only time the Chiffons recorded a Screen Gems-published song and used the backing track from another version. I'm thinking of their version of "One Fine Day" (same backing track as Little Eva's demo) and "It Hurts To Be Sixteen" (same backing track as the version by Andrea Carroll). Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:38:50 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Sportgems? Colcraft? Looking for lawyers? The recent discussion of things Colpix, Colgems and Screen Gems came to mind when I was visiting relatives around the holidays and I noticed this on an air hockey table. The company's name is Sportcraft. The logo looks awfully familiar... but which came first? Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Fascinating archive at Black Cat Rockabilly Country Paul: > I am probably late in discovering this (or perhaps rediscovering > it), but there's an amazing library of short bios collectred by > Black Cat Rockabilly at > Yeah, I found that about two years ago while looking for lyrics (part of their archives). Put in some time correcting Americaneze that didn't translate to the Dutch tongue. Polished up a few songs like "Jive After Five" by Carl Perkins and some others. They appreciate the help if anyone wants to do the same. Steve Harvey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:00:01 -0000 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Jack Good Richard Williams: > What a wonderful character he [Jack Good] was and is -- > his columns in Disc in the early 60s were full of enthusiasm > for the kind of music we celebrate on this web site. I recall one column where he raved about 2 records he'd heard in the US and said they'd never even get released here. He was wrong, they were US Bonds' "New Orleans" and Maurice Williams' "Stay", but I think his enthusiasm got the Top Rank label here to pick them up after, I assume, the London label passed. Dave Heasman -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Andrew Subject: An ex-Monkee takes the mike By Robin Finn The New York Times NEW YORK — The official inauguration of Micky Dolenz in his new day job as the morning-drive radio host at WCBS-FM (101.1), where golden oldies are sacrosanct and the acquisition of a genuine Monkee to spin them is heralded as a seriously appropriate coup, does not happen until Monday. Read more at this link: or the Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Worcester, MA. discovered by Karen, the Monkees fan since junior high. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:44:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris de Bruin Subject: Re: Joe Brown More on Joe Brown: he played guitar with Eddie Cochran on his UK tour. He also played on one of Enland's greatest rock 'n'! Roll album The Sound of Fury by Billy Fury. He was also a good friend of George Harrison and played at his Tribute show. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:55:21 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Ronnie Dante @ musica Michael Thorn wrote: > Now playing at Musica: > Ronnie Dante - Follow a Dream (flip of "He's Raining in My Sunshine") > Enjoy! Thanks for playing "Follow a Dream" - it sounds much better than my scratchy 45! Boy, our Ron can sure wail in a lot of different styles, can't he? The man is a vocal chameleon! Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:23:51 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: Rockin' Ramrods / Rockin' Rebels Country Paul: > But was the Boston-based (Rockin' Ramrods) the same group who had the > hit "Wild Weekend"? Paul, it was the Rockin' Rebels who did "Wild Weekend" not the Rockin' Ramrods. If you feel like driving yourself nuts try investigating who the Rockin' Rebels were (in all their incarnations) - it makes Parliament/Funkadelic seem relatively simple. Try searching the archives for "Rockin' Rebels" - I think I posted some stuff a couple of years back. Gotta go - I'm trying to make sense of Amy-Mala-Bell's reissue labels. Davie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:38:53 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Spector Bs; Joe Brown; Brian on TV Re: Phil Spector B-sides, there was a time when they were worth listening to. Most of the Teddy Bears' tracks, particularly the Imperial 45s (although I like "Don't You Worry My Little Pet" a lot more now that I've heard it mixed intelligibly); and the flip of "There's No Other", the beautiful "What A Nice Way To Turn 17", is to my ears on a par with the A-side. And remember, the gloriously- distended "My Heart Beat A Little Bit Faster" started life as the B-side of "Today I Met The Boy I'm Gonna Marry." Norm D. Plume, you certainly do you have a cool handle! I appreciate you, Austin Powell and Lyn Nuttall taking the time to fill me in on Joe Brown. I only know the name "Picture of You", but if it's on a par with the very fine "Teardrops In The Rain", it must be good, too. Does he ever tour the US? I remember seeing him on (I think it was) a Dick Clark Saturday evening show once, strumming away in double-time on "Teardrops". I've also visited his website and do indeed see he "has an afterlife". Need to hear a few more samples before plunking down for an import CD, though. (If Frank from Jamie is still on board, do you guys have a Joe Brown CD domestically?) Saw Brian Wilson sing "Good Vibrations" with the touring band on the Jay Leno show last night. Disappointing - no conversation, a rush- through to get off the air on time, and a couple of conspicuously cracked notes on the nead. On the up side, the band rose to the occasion (one number, no warm-up - quite challenging, especially considering the original was spliced together); all the singers cover for Brian beautifully, but they let him soar when he wants to; and Brian looked as though he might have hit a chord on the keyboard at least twice. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:51:15 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Arkade: "Where You Lead" and other leads Austin Roberts: > The only three Arkade singles that I sang lead on were "Sing Out The > Love," (my favorite), "The Morning Of Our Lives" (which had a long > lifespan because of the Bridal Fair tie-in -- it went Top 15 on the > Adult Contemporary charts), and "Where You Lead." Did "Woman In My Life" pre-exist your membership in the group, or was it just a matter of the vocals falling where they felt best among the three members. I thought you'd said something about leaving beforte "Fools Way Of Loving", but I'm not sure. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:50:14 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Don Costa Country Paul wrote: > My favorite Costa track is "The Theme From 'The Misfits,'" featuring > one wailin' sax player who got off one of the great sax riffs of all > time toward the end of the record. Anyone know who that might have > been? Around the time of recording 'The Misfits', Costa was working in the studio with Frank Sinatra. Amongst the saxophonists that were on the tracks that appeared on Frank's album 'Strings and Things' was Bud Shank. A possibility? Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:13:17 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: "Wouldn't It Be Nice" documentary UK viewers may be interested: Sunday, January 9th, BBC1 10.15pm - 11.25pm "The Beach Boys: Wouldn't It Be Nice" Documentary celebrating the band who defined the idea of California and whose inspiring harmonies became the sound of summer. In original interviews, surviving band members Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine and Bruce Johnston along with family, friends and collaborators talk frankly about what has made the Beach Boys America's biggest band of all time, but also one that has attracted more than its fair share of controversy and tragedy. [Contains previously unseen archive footage and strong language.] -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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