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Spectropop - Digest Number 1758



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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re:  Cher & Spector
           From: Robert 
      2. Beverley's "Happy New Year"
           From: Mario 
      3. Re: Cher & Spector
           From: Rick Hough 
      4. Re: Colgems
           From: Larry Lapka 
      5. Re: Cher & Spector
           From: Tom Taber 
      6. Re: This Diamond Ring
           From: Davie L Gordon 
      7. Re: Marcie Blane
           From: Carl 
      8. Season's Greetings
           From: Claire Francis 
      9. Re: Colgems
           From: Joe Nelson 
     10. Re: Saint Etienne
           From: Stewart Mason 
     11. Re: Obscure Trini Lopez 45, Shel Talmy connection?
           From: Scott Swanson 
     12. Re: Tony Middleton / Claus Ogerman
           From: Chris Schneider 
     13. Re: Season's Greetings
           From: Stewart Epstein 
     14. Re: Colgems
           From: Mike 


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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:45:31 -0000 From: Robert Subject: Re: Cher & Spector Previously: > ... "A Woman's Story" ... was the first release from a planned > 1975 Spector/Cher album. Phil Spector put considerable effort > into launching his new sound (with Cher) and the three completed > tracks are astonishing. Country Paul: > THREE tracks? The two sides of the 45 - and what else, please? > Available where? (Musica, perhaps?!? Hint, hint....) Are there > unfinished tracks which are finished enough to be listenable? And > are they around? I'm impressed by what a S&C-ologist you are - > perhaps you are to S&C as Mick Patrick is to girl groups? :-) The 3rd Cher track is a duet with Nilsson of A LOVE LIKE YOURS that was also produced by Phil Spector, although possibly a few months later than A Woman's Story/Baby I Love You. It was also a Warner- Spector single release. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:22:32 -0000 From: Mario Subject: Beverley's "Happy New Year" Has anyone here heard the great Deram 45 (I think it was the label's debut, along with Cat Stevens' "First Cut ...") "Happy New Year," by Beverley. It is a tasty, bluesy yet still pop downbeat song with bitter irony in the lyric. I do know that the song's writer is Randy Newman. I have never been able to find the B-side (nor its title), nor Randy's demo version. It's worth searching out. I saw it on a friend's vinyl comp "UK Girl Singers" Anyone have more on this? mo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:58:56 -0000 From: Rick Hough Subject: Re: Cher & Spector Country Paul asked: > THREE tracks? The two sides of the 45 - and what else, please? In the fall of '74, Mo Ostin of WB pushed his two prime acquisitions of the year to record together. Their first effort was the Nilsson/Cher duet "A Love Like Yours", recorded towards the end of the John Lennon "Rock'n'Roll" sessions. The results were good enough (fantastic, actually) to justify an album, and "A Woman's Story" and "Baby I Love You" were then cut. Those tracks were the debut Warner-Spector 45 (WS 0400 November '74, in stereo). With only three tracks cut, and product overdue for the high-priced Cher, the album project was called off due to Spector's "excessively slow working habits" (there had also been much drama in the studio). Cher's album project went to Jimmy Webb who had "Stars" in stores by February, and in cut-out bins shortly thereafter. Phil Spector continued working at his own pace, turning his production effort to Dion and "Born To Be With You". Whatever was unfinished for Cher would have definitely gone to Dion -- isn't it all cut in the same key? (The Nilsson/Cher duet was released in March '75 (Warner-Spector 0402), and with no more Cher tracks Spector borrowed her 1969 "Hangin 'On" from Atlantic for the B-side.) When Warner-Spector ceased business in '77 Phil took every centimeter of tape with him. I checked THAT out a long time ago! > I'm impressed by what a S&C-ologist you are. I'm not! It's been hell just trying to get a pre-'65 timeline together. Sonny didn't keep a diary till 1968, Gold Star didn't keep session details, many sessions were non-union, Atlantic's records are unreliable (and their warehouse burned down), biographers (Sonny included) make it up as they go, some lie because of the rip-offs they were involved in, others lie for the hell of it and the rest just don't remember! Thanks for the kind words, but I don't think my name's gonna be on "The Complete Sonny & Cher Sessionography" any time soon! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Lapka Subject: Re: Colgems Dear John Fox and all: Thanks for your suggestions. The reason that I am focusing on Colgems only rather than Colpix also is that I have an affinity with Colgems that I simply don't have with Colpix. I was nine years old when The Monkees project was brought to the world, and I didn't even know that Colpix existed when I was a kid, other than the couple of Davy Jones 45s I had on that label that I was able to find in the 1970s. Also, Colgems' discography is so limited, that it makes it easier to look at and examine. One question: I don't believe that Colpix ceased to exist when "Last Train To Clarksville" was released, although for all intents and purposes, its remaining shelf life was pretty short at this point in 1966. What was the final, last record released on the Colpix label? Was it a rerelease of the David Jones album (obviously put back on the shelves to coincide with the Monkees project)? I remember that there was one episode of the show where I think Bobby Sherman was actually holding a copy of the David Jones album, so I assume it was available in 1966. Any help on this, or other Colgems related stuff, would be appreciated. Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Cher & Spector Country Paul asked: > THREE tracks? The two sides of the 45 - and what else, please? I believe the Cher/Nilsson track was recorded during a break in a Spector/ Lennon session. Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:48:36 -0000 From: Davie L Gordon Subject: Re: This Diamond Ring Ken Silverwood wrote: > I would guess that it was Sammy Ambrose, who actually turns out to > be Tony Middleton, former lead singer with the group The Willows. Tony Middleton is definitely not Sammy Ambrose. Ambrose died some years ago, whereas as far as I know Tony Middleton is still with us. Davie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:22:44 -0000 From: Carl Subject: Re: Marcie Blane Mikey asked: > Can someone please tell me where I can order that new Marcie Blane > "best of" CD that has all her Seville tracks? I got mine from http://www.deepdiscountcd.com . They are often the lowest price, as shipping is included in the price quoted. Loved the CD, long overdue. Carl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:40:07 EST From: Claire Francis Subject: Season's Greetings And the very same to you Dear Mark, as well to all of the Spectropop gang. Love & Light, Claire Francis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:17:08 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Colgems Larry Lapka: > One question: I don't believe that Colpix ceased to exist when "Last > Train To Clarksville" was released, although for all intents and > purposes, its remaining shelf life was pretty short at this point in > 1966. What was the final, last record released on the Colpix label? > Was it a rerelease of the David Jones album (obviously put back on > the shelves to coincide with the Monkees project)? I remember that > there was one episode of the show where I think Bobby Sherman was > actually holding a copy of the David Jones album, so I assume it was > available in 1966. My question was as to the difference in fates between the two labels. I believe Colgems effectively was absorbed into Bell when the latter label was bought by Screen Gems / Columbia Pictures Television around 1970 (imagine the Partridge Family on Colgems), yet the Colpix masters didn't follow to the new label? What's the connection vs. what's the difference? Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:45:23 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Saint Etienne Phil Milstein asks: > Thanks for these links, I'm gonna look into them. What is the > significance of the "St. Etienne" name? Is it a famous church in > London, or something? Having seen the name around but without > having heard them or known any more about them, I'd figured them > for a French group (not to mention confused them with Belle & > Sebastian). They're named after, of all things, a French football club: the opening track on their (excellent) first album, FOXBASE: ALPHA, includes bits from a radio broadcast of one of the club's matches. (To keep period-specific, I'll also point out that the best track on this album is a brilliant reimagination of Neil Young's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart," one of his prettiest songs turned into a trippy piece of dance-floor psychedelia.) I too recommend all of the previously-mentioned titles highly, and say without reservation that if Bob Stanley isn't a Spectropopper, he should be. One of the most enjoyable times I've ever had as a journalist was interviewing Mr. Stanley a few years ago, which devolved into a long and detailed conversation about the '60s records of one of our shared passions, France Gall. S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:07:32 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Obscure Trini Lopez 45, Shel Talmy connection? Sebastian writes: > I've been searching for ages for a 45 by Trini Lopez on the > United Modern label entitled "Sinner Not A Saint". I finally > managed to get ahold of a copy and it arrived today. The > writing credits go to "Talmy" and it's published by "Time > Music Pub.". The track appear over at BMI as written by > Shel/Sheldon Talmy (work# 1349187). Is this really correct? >From the keyboard of Mr. Trini Lopez himself: "I met him [Shel] in Hollywood in the early 60's and he asked me to listen to this song. I liked it and recorded it. I have not seen him since that time. 'Sinner Not A Saint' was the only song of his I ever recorded." As for the United Modern and Denny Paul questions, I can't help you there. Let me know if you get a definitive answer on either subject. Hope this helps, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:11:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: Tony Middleton / Claus Ogerman Ken Silverwood wrote: > (Tony) Middleton has one or two choice records on the "Northern" > side, "Paris Blues" and "To The Ends Of The Earth" (old Nat "King" > Cole number), both presided over by our old friend Claus Ogermann. My first thought, when I read this, was that the "Paris Blues" alluded to was Ellngton's and Strayhorn's song, the one written for the movie of that title. Then a visit to the relevant portion of http://www.bjbear71.com/Ogerman/Claus.html#Index persuaded me that it was a separate song. Still, being a fan of both Arlen & Mercer (who wrote the song on the flip side) and of Ellington & Strayhorn, I must admit that my curiosity is piqued. What's the story with the Ogerman/Middleton "Paris Blues"? Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: Stewart Epstein Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Dear Claire, Thank you for that sweet holiday greeting to all of us. My sister is a "seer" who works with police forces. Best wishes, Stew -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:09:40 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: Colgems Larry, I don't believe the Davy Jones Lp was ever re-released by Colpix, or anyone. I think they did not want to mess with Davy's image as a Monkee during the Monkees period, and after that, the LP was so dated they just shelved it. I have a copy and it's nothing to write about, material wise. And for the record, its Tommy Boyce holding a copy of the Lp on "I Dream of Jeannie" :)) mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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