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Spectropop - Digest Number 1732



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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
           From: Bob Celli 
      2. Re: "Goin' Back"
           From: Michael T 
      3. Re: Artie Schroeck
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Re: The Box Tops
           From: Rex Patton 
      5. Re: Artie Schroek
           From: Dennis Diken 
      6. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
           From: Richard 
      7. Re: Bitter End TV Show
           From: Shawn Nagy 
      8. Stone Poneys
           From: Steve Harvey 
      9. Some old geezer
           From: Don 
     10. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
           From: Clark Besch 
     11. Hudson Brothers (New Yorkers)
           From: Michael T. 
     12. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
           From: Bill Craig 
     13. Spoonful covers
           From: John DeAngelis 
     14. wanna write for us?
           From: Howard Earnshaw 
     15. Re: Ed Sullivan "live"
           From: James Cassidy 
     16. What Does A Girl Do?
           From: Vlaovic B. 
     17. Rockin' Christmas Party, Vol. I
           From: Laura Pinto 
     18. Re: Box Tops, pop-tops, and Linda Ronstandt's naked soles
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     19. Re: "Goin' Back"
           From: Don H. 
     20. Re: Michael Brown
           From: Gary Myers 
     21. Lewis And Clarke Expedition
           From: Paul Urbahns 
     22. Re: Stone Poneys
           From: Robert Pingel 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:50:42 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live" Phil M: > ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer > performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some > occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare. In regards to Gary Lewis and the Playboys, I know for a fact that Gary was lip syncing "This Diamond Ring". Snuff Garrett told me that during one of our conversations. He said Gary would never be able to pull it off "live" and asked Jerry Lewis to intervene to convince Ed Sullivan to let Gary lip sync the record. I believe Snuff said that Gary may have been the first artist to lip sync a song on Ed's show. Bob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:00:41 -0000 From: Michael T Subject: Re: "Goin' Back" Freddie Mercury, Brian May and Roger Taylor did "Goun' Back" under the name Larry Lurex. It was the B-side of the sole Larry Lurex single, issued in the US on Anthem in 1973. The A-side was "I Can Hear Music." Freddie Mercury sings lead on both tracks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Artie Schroeck John DeAngelis wrote: > A while back Spectropop member Michael Greenberg turned me on to > the album "A Spoonful of Lovin'" by the Artie Schroeck Implosion, > an album of nicely done instrumental Spoonful covers. There's one up for auction on Ebay as we speak. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:12:18 -0500 From: Rex Patton Subject: Re: The Box Tops >From interviews I've read with Dan Penn and Alex Chilton, the Box Tops played on "The Letter," but never again. I've always wanted to ask Penn why he brought in the American Studio session guys, when most producers, after they have a hit (and if memory serves me correctly, "The Letter" wasn't just a hit, but was the biggest song of 1967) are loathe to change much of anything - let alone the whole band - in the way they made the first one when they try to follow it up. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:36:38 -0500 From: Dennis Diken Subject: Re: Artie Schroek Steve Harvey wrote: > I have a single by Artie (Schroeck) on Columbia of "Coconut Grove". John DeAngelis: > ... the album "A Spoonful of Lovin'" by the Artie Schroeck Implosion, > an album of nicely done instrumental Spoonful covers. Speaking of Spoonful covers, has anyone heard the Louis Prima single (on Kama Sutra!) "Jug Band Music" c/w "Bald Headed Lena"?! Dennis Diken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:33:10 -0000 From: Richard Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live" Phil M: > ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer > performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some > occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare. The Mamas and The Papas sang live or WITH their record as on June 11, 1967--so it was, as you say, the lead(s) singing with the backing instrumental (and in their case vocal) tape. Visit the Official Cass Elliot Website http://www.casselliot.com Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:27:17 -0000 From: Shawn Nagy Subject: Re: Bitter End TV Show Rodney Justo of The Candymen told me a funny story about their appearance on the show, in which they sound great, and the songs are performed live! They had the studio for only a limited amount of time & had to go onto the next production, and they were on last. Hitting the chorus of "Georgia Pines" his voice cracked and figured they could do it over again, so he turns & looks at the clock seeing there's about a minute left & the look on his face is priceless, he knows he better nail the rest of the song because it will be the take that airs! Shawn SuperOldies.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Stone Poneys Phil X Milstein wrote: > I've also seen Neil Diamond do double-duty in this manner, although > with a commercial break in between, and sounding quite professional > while playing solo live, and The Stone Poneys, who, on their live > tracks, sound even lamer than The Box Tops. I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised that Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage. No wonder she split from them shortly afterwards. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:19:02 -0000 From: Don Subject: Some old geezer I was flipping through channels last night and came across a show on Ovation (cable channel) on rock family trees. I came in fairly late and it was jumping around from Mamas and Papas lineage to Zal leaving the Spoonful to break up of Blues Project and started interviewing some old geezer about starting a group called BS&T. The name was sure familiar, but can't seem to place it. Don -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:04:19 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live" Bill, Certainly several artists lip-synched their songs on Ed Sullivan, tho most did live or live vocals. Funny part is that when the Ed Sullivan music Cds came out in the 90's, some of those were not live vocals at all!! Kinda stupid to do that, when the music on the Cd was identical to the record except for crowd noise. So many great live or live vocals and they chose some that weren't live at all!! The Byrds are a good example of the situation you speak of. They did "Turn Turn turn" live and returned after a commercail doing "Mr. Tambourine Man" lipsynched!! Then the show sometimes had taped music but would spice on a cold ending (instead of the record fade) which often was very choppy editing and didn't quite fit the 45's exact sound. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:57:20 -0000 From: Michael T. Subject: Hudson Brothers (New Yorkers) Sometime back, Mike The Mop mentioned the Hudsons' first single, "Things Are Changing," as the New Yorkers. It was a Chrysler promo single they did in 1966 on the Santana label, backed with a song by another group (the Fury 4). "Things Are Changing" is the one Hudsons track that has eluded me for years. Can someone post it to Musica? Thanks! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:11:05 -0000 From: Bill Craig Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live" Bill Craig wrote: > Speaking of Lypsyncing on tv, in one of Andrew Oldham's books he > mentions the Stones Lipsyncing on The Ed Sullivan Show. My > recollection is that on Sullivan at least the lead vocal was always > live, even tho at some point I think the backing instrumental track > and occasionally some of the backing vocals were on tape. Right. But were not the earliest Brit Invasion groups singing AND playing live? Like the first Beatles, Searchers, DC5 appearances? Bill Craig -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:06:10 -0000 From: John DeAngelis Subject: Spoonful covers Dennis Diken wrote: > Speaking of Spoonful covers, has anyone heard the Louis Prima single > (on Kama Sutra!) "Jug Band Music" c/w "Bald Headed Lena"?! Hey Dennis: Sounds cool! I haven't heard Mr. Prima's Spoonful cover (the B side is technically a Doctor Feelgood & the Interns cover, I suppose), but I have heard Kate Smith's recording of "Daydream" (again, thanks to Spectropopper Michael Greenberg). And speaking of "Daydream", I love your CD notes to the BMG CD reissue of the "Daydream" lp, Dennis! cheers, John DeAngelis AKA Johnny D -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:54 -0500 From: Howard Earnshaw Subject: wanna write for us? To all you aspiring writers out there!! How about penning something for the neatest soul fanzine in the north of England - Soul Up North? I'd love to have a regular (and even not so regular!!) writer of articles from a US perspective, Soul Up North is aimed at the rare northern soul fraternity, but also crosses over to mainstream 60's soul amongst other stuff!! Drop me a line off list if you fanct writing something.. all the best.. Howard Earnshaw (editor - soul up north - the fan's fanzine) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:51 -0500 From: James Cassidy Subject: Re: Ed Sullivan "live" Phil M. wrote: > ... most pop music on Sullivan consisted of the lead singer > performing live over pre-recorded tracks. I've also seen some > occasions of straight lip-syncing on Sullivan, but those were rare. I go on to say: And if the song had a fade-out ending, Ray Bloch and his orchestra would come in toward the conclusion and hit a long, loud tonic chord -- no matter how incongruous -- to give the song a proper ending. Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:58:43 -0500 From: Vlaovic B. Subject: What Does A Girl Do? Mick Patrick: > ... In the meantime, you might like to check out a CD I just helped > put together for the President label, "What Does A Girl Do: Femme > Pop From The President Vaults" (PRCD 157) ... You'll find more > information at President's website: http://tinyurl.com/4c7lu 'What Does A Girl Do'! I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk of this one. I picked up my copy a few weeks ago and while it's not really major league stuff (kinda like Garpax Girls), it'll do in a pinch. And for Canadian Girl Group fans the Allen Sisters with 'Larry' one of the few local examples even if it was recorded in New York by a pair of (actual) sisters from Edmonton who were regulars on The Tommy Hunter Show (Canadian country television institution for 2 decades). BTW I wonder if 'I'm in with the Downtown crowd' from a couple of years later referred to the swinging lights of downtown Edmonton? I picked up their less than stellar LP for a dollar a couple of years ago, entranced by the cheesy photo of the girls (big blond, flipped hair). Cheap production, etc. but a couple of ok cuts. N -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:48:49 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Rockin' Christmas Party, Vol. I Hi everyone, Ron Dante's latest production, "Rockin' Christmas Party (Volume I)," is now available. This multiple-artist collection features tracks by Ron, Lou Christie, Gary Lewis, Bobby Vee, Tommy Roe, and Chris Montez. I already have my copy, and I can tell you - this is one cool CD! (I don't think it's too early to start listening to holiday music, do you?) For the complete track listing and to read my review of the CD, visit this page on Amazon.com: http://snipurl.com/apej While you're there, why not pick up a copy or two or three; they'll make great stocking stuffers! Enjoy, Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:59:05 -0800 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Box Tops, pop-tops, and Linda Ronstandt's naked soles Rex Patton wrote: > From interviews I've read with Dan Penn and Alex Chilton, the Box Tops > played on "The Letter," but never again. I've always wanted to ask Penn > why he brought in the American Studio session guys, when most producers, > after they have a hit (and if memory serves me correctly, "The Letter" > wasn't just a hit, but was the biggest song of 1967) are loathe to > change much of anything - let alone the whole band - in the way they > made the first one when they try to follow it up. Maybe he wanted to quit using them while he was still ahead! Steve Harvey wrote: > I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised that > Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage. She would have, but she was afraid she might cut her bare feet on broken glass or discarded pop-tops.* Helpfully, --Phil M. *For all the kiddies in the audience tonight, "pop-tops" were removable pull tabs on soda and beer cans, used prior to some bright bulb conceiving of the NON-removable type that is still in use today. Besides the environmental issues they generated, pop-tops were responsible for cutting the soles of millions of beachgoers' feet into bloody shreds. In the plus column, however, they were also the subject of a 1970s mini-fad in which craftspeople with much time on their hands would fashion salvaged pop-tops into home decor, jewelry, and even clothing. Don't believe me? You could look it up! And now on with our rilly big shoe ... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:21:58 -0000 From: Don H. Subject: Re: "Goin' Back" Let me post a list of all of the versions of "Goin' Back" that I know of. This list is longer than some of my previous lists, but not nearly as long as the "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" list, which is close to 200. Ollie Austin The Barra Macneils Bon Jovi Elkie Brooks Brown Dust The Byrds Camper Van Chadbourne Deacon Blue Dolphin Bill Drummond Gino Cunico Goldie (The original recording of this song) Eydie Gorme Groop Hickory Wind Ian Mitchell Icicle Works Johnny Logan Bill Jones (female) Brian Kennedy Carole King Nils Lofgren Freddie Mercury (as Larry Lurex) The Move The Myddle Class New Seekers Andy Pratt Prelude Pretenders Maggie Reilly Richard Thompson Diana Ross Ricky Ross (from Deacon Blue) Roy Budd Glenn Shorrock & Renee Geyer Dusty Springfield Mary Travers Jackie Trent Vikki Clayton Chris Wilson & The Sneetches Also 2 Finnish versions as "'Ei Eiliseen" by Stara and Maarit. I believe the Italian version is called "Ritornerei" and the German version is "Ich Glaube Nicht" but I don't know who performed either one. I wouldn't be surprised if there are French and Spanish versions. I also have an mp3 labeled as being by Mary Black, but the vocals are male, so I'm not quite sure who that one is. There is also a medley with "My Back Pages" by Michael Stanley. And there is a song called "23 Lies" by Death In Vegas, that samples "Goin' Back". Check out Prelude for a folksy version. Not much soul in that one, but if you want some more emotion, try Brian Kennedy. For a reggae feel, try Bill Drummond. There are some others with that title that I'm not sure are the G/K song. Princeton Tigerlilies; Brett Marvin; Dave Berry; Allman Sisters. And somewhere I thought I heard that Barbra Streisand did this? If anyone can confirm any of these, I'd appreciate it. And speaking of Glenn Shorrock, does anyone know if The Twilights recorded King/Stern's "As We Go Along"? Don H in NJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:41:48 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Michael Brown Dave Monroe: > ask him if he's heard Sylvie Vartan's recording of > "WAR" ("Quand un amour renait"). Dave, here is Bob Calilli's reply: " I am familiar with the Sylvie Vartan (french) version of W.A.R. I own a couple of copies (45rpm).......flip side is the fr. version of "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch," the 4 Tops hit song. Back in 1969 some friends of mine were attempting to syndicate a music radio program based on non top 40 music. We were going to use the Sylvie Vartan version as opening music. Ask Dave Monroe if he knows of the Gene Page Orchestra's version of the song. It was on the LP "Page 1", VMC Records, 1968. It is a beautiful symphonic rendition. That, to me, is an absolutely gorgeous (classical) version of the song " gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:32:44 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Lewis And Clarke Expedition With the talk recently on this list about the Colgems recording artist The Lewis And Clarke Expedition, does anyone know of a source for their first single on the Chartmaker label? Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pingel Subject: Re: Stone Poneys Steve Harvey: > I agree about the Stone Poneys' performance. I'm surprised > that Ronstadt didn't walk off the stage. No wonder she split > from them shortly afterwards. I didn't see this performance, but I do recall seeing an early Ronstadt performance during the late 60's on the Tonight Show which was a near disaster. Not sure if the back-up was the Stone Poneys or if they had parted ways by then. Anyway, the band gave a semi-country intro to the song "Different Drum" (unlike the recorded arrangement). Thereafter Ms. Ronstadt began singing in one key, and the band began playing in another. Very awkward, but Ms. Ronstadt did manage to slide into the band's key without too much embarrassment. Rob Pingel -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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