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Spectropop - Digest Number 1714



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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Freddy Weller of the Raiders
           From: Austin Roberts 
      2. Nesmith, Lindsay and Others
           From: Larry Lapka 
      3. Gerry Goffin
           From: James Day 
      4. S'pop Netiquette Reminder
           From: S'pop Team 
      5. Russ Titelman
           From: Declan Meehan 
      6. Re: "Look At Me Girl"
           From: Margaret Still 
      7. Re: We Wrote 'Em And We Sing 'Em
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      8. Re: Barbara MIlls
           From: Simon White 
      9. Re: Chiffons stereo -- fine points
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     10. Re: later Raiders
           From: Brent Cash 
     11. Re: Indian Reservation lead vox
           From: Austin Roberts 
     12. Re: Little Pattie
           From: Jim Fisher 
     13. Re: Someone To Talk To - The Breakaways & Darling
           From: Mick Patrick 
     14. Sandy Salisbury radio appearance
           From: Joey Stec 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:19:02 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Freddy Weller of the Raiders Previously: > ...Freddy Weller was to be marketed to the country crowd, Keith > Allison more as a rockabilly type artist, and Mark Lindsay to those > who like slick, "MOR" or "AOR" type music... Keith won the Paul McCartney lookalike contest (Dick Clark) and then they realized he was a talented singer/musician and made him part of the Raiders. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:03:18 -0000 From: Larry Lapka Subject: Nesmith, Lindsay and Others Dear all, Having grown up in a generally black area of New York City in the 1960s (specifically Rochdale Village, South Jamaica, Queens), it was a true revelation when The Monkees came on the scene. Not that we didn't all love The Beatles, but The Monkees were "our" group (I was nine when "Last Train to Clarksville" came out). My mom bought my sister and me the first single and first album, and what a perfect pop album it was! Mike Nesmith's tracks did seem tacked on, but let me tell you, they stood out from the rest. I had never heard anything like it, and I always looked at subsequent albums for the songs that he had on them. In fact, I voted for Mike as my favorite Monkee in the contest that I think Fleer or Topps had way back when! Anyway, in the 1970s, I continued to buy Nesmith records, but I couldn't get into so much of his work at this point in time. For every "Joanne," there were lots of other tracks that got a single listen and probably haven't been heard by my ears since. I now realize that many of his compositions deserve more than one listen, but for a guy who loved "Sweet Young Thing," this just wasn't going to happen. I think Lindsay was looking into pursuing other areas in the music world by the time his solo outings/Raider stuff petered out. I have not heard any of his recent solo material, but I have heard that it is pretty good. And in passing, I just saw a great show at Westbury Music Fair, with Peter Noone headlining a three-hour show with Micky Dolenz, Spencer Davis Group and Gary Lewis. Short takes: Spencer Davis: surprisingly good, musically the most talented of this foursome. No Steve Winwood, but for the short time they played, they were by far the best of this bunch. Gary Lewis: While he still isn't much of a singer, he kept the place entertained. He was hoarse, but the deepness of his voice now gave him the ability to pull off "Sealed With a Kiss" unlike his performance on record. I was amazed! Micky Dolenz: What can you say? A review-proof set. Sang with his sister, Coco, whose voice has also matured. Both were excellent, and Micky looked far from bored. Peter Noone: One word: terrific! This guy is real good--no one should knock him at this point. This guy knows his place in rock history and just goes with it. He's as exuberant as my nine year old is--and yes, my son loved this whole show! There is hope! Larry L. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: James Day Subject: Gerry Goffin Hi, this is my first message. I'm trying to get in touch with Gerry Goffin. We were close friends from 1951 to about 1955. Last time I saw him was one night he came back to visit his mother in Jamaica, New York. He told me he was going to write music with his wife Carole. Never did I ever dream the gifted talent. I still live in the same house, and where he lived our back yards kissed each other. In those days I was known as Jimmy. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Off-list replies only, please. Thanks, James Day -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:59:38 -0000 From: S'pop Team Subject: S'pop Netiquette Reminder To ensure the continued smooth running of Spectropop, please take a moment to reacquaint yourself with the following brief guidelines. Identify yourself: To maintain the flow of discussion, Spectropop does not support anonymous posts. Please add a name or a nickname to the end of your message. Unsigned messages risk being returned to sender. Identify the sender: When replying, it would help greatly to quote only the relevant lines from the message that you are replying to, mark those lines with the > character and include the name of the sender. Confirm the subject: Please check that the subject line reflects the content of your reply. Subject lines such as "[Spectropop] Digest number xxxx" take much longer to process. Say something: Avoid one-liners, adding something more than just "I agree...", yet refrain from turning your message into an essay. S'pop digests are issued daily. Lengthy messages can be overwhelming and are in danger of being skipped. Send comments that are intended for an individual directly to that member off-list. Keep it clear: Membership is global, hence messages are displayed in non-English speaking territories. Use standard punctuation. Stylised cellphone text-messaging is difficult to follow and can distort the meaning. Upper-case is the Internet equivalent of SHOUTING. During periods of heavy traffic, messages presented in this way will be delayed until the moderator has the time to reformat them. Stay on topic: Remember that S'pop exists primarily as a forum in which to discuss '60s "pop" music, not '70s "rock". Preferred topics of discussion are the songwriters, producers and recording artists of the "Brill Building" era. Read the complete Guidelines at http://www.spectropop.com/membership Thanks to all for your participation and cooperation. S'pop Admin Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:50:42 -0000 From: Declan Meehan Subject: Russ Titelman Mick Patrick wrote: > Barbara Mills "Little Things Like That" (Hickory 1347, 1965) Written > by Russ Titelman and Larry Kolber. Some members might be familiar > with versions of this excellent song by Suzy Wallis, Linda Lloyd and > Little Pattie. They're all good. Thanks, Mick, for that. I have been searching for a copy by Suzy Wallis, but didn't realise there were other versions. This got me thinking about the general quality of Russ Titelman's '60s girl sides. He must be one of the greatest unsung co-writers or writers IMHO, especially in the girl group genre. I'm constantly moved and blown away every time I locate one of his sides and I am itching to find more. Here's a list of records I have, co-written by Russ Titelman. Can anyone please recommend or identify more? The Cookies: I Never Dreamed (Dimension) The Cinderellas: Baby Baby (Dimension) The Cinderellas: Please Don't Wake Me (Dimension) The Honeybees: She Don't Deserve You (Fontana) The Chiffons: What Am I Gonna Do With You (Laurie) The Inspirations: What Am I Gonna Do With You (Black Pearl) Margaret Mandolph: I Wanna Make You Happy (Planetary) Darlene McCrea: My Heart's Not In It (Tower) Dani Sheridan: Guess I'm Dumb (Planet) Goldie & The Gingerbreads: Sailor Boy (Decca) The Chiffons: Sailor Boy (Stateside) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:10:02 -0000 From: Margaret Still Subject: Re: "Look At Me Girl" "Look At Me Girl" is great with or without the overdubs. One of my favorite perfect little pop songs of all time, also! Oddly enough, when I found the Bobby Vee 45, I only knew the song as done by the Texas garage band The Playboys of Edinburgh, so the original Vee version was a recent treat for me. Just in case you've not heard the P of E version, it's available on a couple of Texas garage comps, and it's also absolutely wonderful. Best, M.G. Still -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:55:49 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: We Wrote 'Em And We Sing 'Em Country Paul wrote: > Fascinating to hear Lincoln Chase's original author's version of "Jim > Dandy". It's much "cuter" than I would have expected both from Laverne > Baker's original and from Chase's bass work on Shirley Ellis' "Nitty > Gritty", but yes, I do like it. This and Eddie Cooley's "Fever" have been > revelations; I wonder how much of the arrangement of each came from > the author and how much from the producer, whoever it was. According to the liner notes, which are posted in the Photos section in a folder named "WeWroteEm" (along with a segment of the front cover showing great individual photos of Cooley, Chase and Otis Blackwell), the project was Blackwell's brainchild, and it seems he oversaw the production, as well. (The liner notes scan also includes musician credits, including some familiar names, as well as mini-bios on the songwriters.) Since Blackwell was the most successful of the songwriters represented, it seems to me that he conceived of the project as a way to help pull some of his colleagues and friends up a bit closer to his perch on the industry tree, a refreshingly altruistic touch if true. This type of songwriters' showcase has been done many times for exploitative purposes, where the writers were no-hopers led to believe their songs would get some industry attention, but I don't know of any other times it was done with actual professional writers, at least not at that early stage (1961). Too bad, as it is both fun and revelatory to hear a writer's own interpretation of his or her work, even as it might differ from better-known versions. > More from this album, please! Michael Greenberg has donated one more track from the "We Wrote 'Em And We Sing 'Em" album, which I will post on his behalf sometime later this week. But if you're reading this, Michael, the people have spoken, and they say, "Please sir, can we have some more?" Yeah, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:21:04 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Barbara MIlls Mick Patrick wrote: > I agree, Barbara was a terrific singer. "(Make It Last) Take Your Time" > is by far the best of her records. (Hark, is that a chorus of disapproval > I hear from irate Northern soul fans?) Well not from this one -- as much as I love her big record on the Northern scene, 'Queen Of Fools', I love '(Make it Last) Take Your Time' with equal, errr. ... something. But it's like the love of a brother for a sister, nothing seedy. Her performance of "Queen Of Fools" is one of the highlights in "The Strange World Of Northern Soul" DVD for me. Simon White -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:41:20 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Chiffons stereo -- fine points Tom Diehl: > Dr. Dave synched the mono master up to the stereo backing track > tape. I've got a copy of the stereo backing track tape somewhere, > it most definitely was NOT cut mono to mono unless someone had > a 3rd machine running at the same time recording everything to > 2-track. The remix sounds wonderful on the headphones. Nice separation of doo-langing Chiffons, the only thing centered is the lead vocal. I also like the longer fade-out. I have tried several mono with stereo backing track synch-up remixes on my PC, and it usually leads to phlange city (think "The Big Hurt"). Verese's "All-Time Greatest Girl Groups" CD is worth picking up just for the superb sound quality of many tracks. For instance, it has the cleanest stereo version of "Dancing In The Street" I have ever heard. How the backing track wound up in F-G-G's hands for the Angels LP track is anyone's guess. Maybe they contacted the songwriter, publisher or even The Tokens about covering the song, and someone lent them the tape. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:50:55 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Re: later Raiders John Fox wrote: > ... Next thing you know, Keith is one of the "New Raiders" > when Paul and Mark replaced Smitty, Fang and Harpo with > Freddy, Keith and Joe, Jr., the drummer. Don't forget about "non-household name" Raider Charlie Coe, who was Fang's replacement and Keith's predecessor. His mug is on "Revolution" through "Something Happening", my fave LP by them, which has some of the best drumming of the pop/rock '60's by Joe Correro, Jr. Joe would turn up later on Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds' "Hallway Symphony" LP, which I think contains That Alan Gordon's "Anna, No Can Do". Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:35:34 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Indian Reservation lead vox Joe Nelson wrote: > It's definitely him: in particular the way he inflects "so proud to live" > couldn't be anyone else. I wasn't even aware he was in the group > until someone pointed out to me he was the singer on that. OK Joe, prepare to weep. I just spoke with Freddy Weller, who told me that it was definitely Mark Lindsay who sang the lead on Indian Reservation. Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:08:54 -0800 From: Jim Fisher Subject: Re: Little Pattie Mick Patrick wrote: > Details are: Barbara Mills "Little Things Like That" (Hickory > 1347, 1965). Written by Russ Titelman and Larry Kolber. Some > members might be familiar with versions of this excellent song > by Suzy Wallis, Linda Lloyd and Little Pattie. They're all good. Mick, in your post re "Where The Girls Are" you mention Little Pattie and her version of "Little Things Like That". Any info on Little Pattie herself? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:59:01 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Someone To Talk To - The Breakaways & Darling Steve Crump: > I picked up a record the other day: Epic album (USA pressing) > - Triple Feature. It contains soundtrack music from "important > European films"; several tracks from Casanova 70 by Armando > Trovaioli; several tracks from Divorce Italian Style by the same > chap; a couple of tracks from the film Darling, one of which is a > song "Someone To Talk To" sung by a bunch of girls. I'm pretty > sure it's the Breakaways, does anyone else know about this? Steve, I'm hoping you have the wherewithal to post "Someone To Talk To" to musica. I, and a lot of other Breakaways zealots, are gagging to hear it. Greg O: > Yes, it's the Breakaways, but either it's a remix or a slower take > than what's used in the film, a bit more sultry on vinyl, whereas > the film take is louder, faster -- after all, it's background to a > party scene with Julie Christie and Laurence Harvey. I was sad > the track wasn't included on the recent Breakaways compilation. The CD was entitled "The Breakaways and Friends: That's How It Goes - The Pye Anthology". "Someone To Talk To" isn't a Pye recording. That's why it's not on the CD, Greg. Find a full tracklist here: http://tinyurl.com/5fg5y This fabled track was the subject of much discussion at S'pop some months back. See here: http://tinyurl.com/4b69c Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:08:37 -0500 From: Joey Stec Subject: Sandy Salisbury radio appearance Sandy Salisbury (of the Millennium , Tommy Roe, Curt Boettcher, Gary Usher days) will be appearing on KLUX radio from Santa Monica, CA Saturday, December 4, at 9pm. Sandy is now known as Graham Salisbury, and is author of several best-selling chidrens' books. Sandy and Joey Stec will be discusing it all, as they have not seen each other for over 25 years and Sandy has never appeared talking on music radio. The stream is called "She Comes In Colors." Regards, Joey Stec -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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