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Spectropop - Digest Number 1691

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: John Paul Joneses
           From: Davie Gordon 
      2. Re: The Man from Nazareth
           From: Bruce Milne 
      3. RIP Bruce Palmer
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Baby Lemonade
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      5. P.P. Arnold
           From: Austin P. 
      6. Re: Smile CD Question/Observation
           From: Bob Hanes 
      7. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Scott Swanson 
      8. Dave Godin R.I.P.
           From: Davie Gordon 
      9. Re: Fever authorship
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     10. Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
     11. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     12. Re: The Man From Nazareth
           From: Jens Koch 
     13. Re: Lewis & Clarke Expedition
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     14. Re: American music in England
           From: Various

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:28:23 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: John Paul Joneses Joe Nelson wrote: (in no particular order): > Paul Jones > John Paul Jones > John Paul Joans > and of course > John Paul Georgeandringo! Keepin' up with the Joneses is gonna make your life a mess, Bill collectors, tranquilizers and gettin' deeper in debt You'd better leave (oh leave) those Joneses alone Davie (with a nod to the Temptations) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:04:43 -0000 From: Bruce Milne Subject: Re: The Man from Nazareth Jens: > A guy called John Paul Jones had a hit in, I think, 1971..... > ...he finally became known as "John". And then he disappeared > without a trace from the English and European scene ... Stangely enough, I saw a video clip of John Paul Joans performing "The Man From Nazareth" on Top of The Pops last night. As an Australian, I can promise you his accent was definitely NOT Australian. It sounded like he was Eastern European, with a very distinct accent. Bruce Milne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:00:51 -0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: RIP Bruce Palmer Bruce Palmer, who played bass guitar for Buffalo Springfield, the influential though short-lived folk-rock band that exemplified what was called the West Coast sound in the 1960's, died on Oct. 1 in Belleville, Ontario. He was 58. The cause was a heart attack, said Liese Rugo, a music publicist. Complete story available here: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:37:55 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Baby Lemonade Stewart Mason wrote: > Baby Lemonade's records have a good sound but generally weak > songwriting. I'd recommend 68% PURE IMAGINATION ... In light of that criticism the title seems an apt one. Thanks for the "anti-tip"; I shall save my pennies for something more worthy. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:59:01 +0100 From: Austin P. Subject: P.P. Arnold Just seen some news....P.P. Arnold is to do a "live" date in London on 20th November at The Rocket on Holloway Road, ..... Same press release says she's working on her autobiography... Now that should be some read ! Austin P. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:59:17 -0700 From: Bob Hanes Subject: Re: Smile CD Question/Observation Mark F: > It seems to me that the vocal on the current version > of 'You Are My Sunshine' is a 1967 Brian vocal - wasn't > there one on a bootleg? If it's not, then it's a darn > good imitation of 1967 BW. Anyone else notice this? Or > am I hearing things? Mark, you're hearing things! No original tapes either vocal or instrumental were used on Brian Wilson presents Smile! NONE! The original vocal for You Are My Sunshine, was Dennis and Brian has done a wonderful job of "recreating" Dennis' pensive vocal for the new CD. I too did an double take when I heard it. My source on this is Leaf and Sahanaja btw. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:35:49 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth "John Paul Joans" aka "J.P. Jones" aka "John" was indeed comedian John Davidge. There's an interesting little story on him here (scroll down to Jan. 13): Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:55:34 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Dave Godin R.I.P. News has just come through that Dave Godin died yesterday. Here's the announcemnt made by Ady Croasdell of Kent Records. A sad loss of someone whose influence on the UK soul scene is incalculable. Davie ===================================================== Soul News Announcement By: ady croasdell Dave Godin died peacefully in his sleep on the morning of Friday October 15th. He had been ill for some time and was fully accepting of his fate, though true to himself he put up a brave fight. Dave was a pioneer of Blackamerican music and soul music in particular throughout his life. The highlights of his endless championing of the cause were his working with Berry Gordy in establishing Tamla Motown as an entity in this country; his passion for, and the coining of, the genres Northern Soul and Deep Soul and his series of four CDs of "Dave Godin's Deep Soul Treasures" which he claimed were the proudest achievements of his life. He was the world's foremost soul music journalist for many years and wrote intelligently and illuminatingly on the subject, particularly in his Blues and Soul magazine column in the 60s and 70s. His grasp and understanding of Blackamerican social and political life gave him an insightful perspective on the music that made his writing so vital. He was also a renowned expert on films and a passionate Animal Rights activist as well as being a committed anarchist, vegan, pro-life, Esperanto speaker and supporter of the Jain religion. Details of his funeral will be posted as soon as we have them. It is hoped that there will be a celebratory soul dance on the evening of the funeral. Cards can be sent to Dave Godin in memorium 27 Clifton Crescent South Rotherham S Yorks S65 2AR Dave wished any donations to be sent to: Dr Elizabeth Svendsen The Donkey Sanctuary Sidmouth Devon EX10 0NU UK Cheques payable to the Donkey Sanctuary We have set up a message board for any thoughts or reminiscences on Dave's life at the 6TS website The direct link is -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:02:52 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Fever authorship Most versions of "Fever" that I've seen credit the composition to "Eddie Cooley" and "John Davenport". Were these pseudonyms for Little Willie John? If not, anyone know who they are? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:46:37 EDT From: Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia I concur this is one of the (many) highlights of the movie Hairspray. I have a live recording of this by Maria McKee. If anyone is interested, I can play it to musica. Bill (once again two weeks behind) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:27:26 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth Scott Swanson wrote: > "John Paul Joans" aka "J.P. Jones" aka "John" was indeed comedian > John Davidge. There's an interesting little story on him here > (scroll down to Jan. 13): > Great Scott ... I mean, great story, Scott -- thanks for the link. I can't understand why Davidge would've wanted to filch the name of perhaps the LEAST recognizable member of Led Zeppelin, esp. with Plant and Bonham having come from up north(?) themselves. I got a big kick out of the kicker to the story, which finds a member of Led Zeppelin aghast that people might mistake him for an acid hound! Oh oh oh oh, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:37:14 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: The Man From Nazareth From: Scott Swanson: >There's an interesting little story on him here > (scroll down to Jan. 13): > That's interesting indeed. However I have to disagree with the writer on that page that the single charted because of the name. I myself bought the single because it's quite catchy, I have no interest whatsoever in Led Zeppelin. It's not much of song, though, it's more a narration with a sung chorus. I probably didn't understand much of the song in 1971, my English then wasn't much to speak of. Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:04:14 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Lewis & Clarke Expedition IMHO "For Singles Only", which I caught on late-night TV back in the 70s, is a simple-minded film, riddled with typical cliches from the period. That said, it's fun to watch these days merely for the nostalgia factor, and of course, for L&CE and any other artists who perform in it! Mary Ann Mobley provides some "entertainment", I suppose. Columbia Pictures' best flick in this style is undoubtedly The Monkees' "Head", which I also first viewed in 1975 or thereabouts. Fortunately, I was able to see this Davy-Mike-Micky-Peter psychedelevaganza on a fairly big screen, as it was being shown by Film Group at Lake Forest College, where I was in school at the time. (Oh, let's not forget EASY RIDER, even more profound and stark, also produced for Columbia by Rafelson and I forgot the other guy's name.) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:14:54 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: American music in England Dan Hughes wrote: > ....I am on a list similar to this one that covers sixties > British music, and I was quite surprised to learn from my > English friends that many of our most well-known American > groups are unknown there: The Buckinghams, The Turtles, > The Rascals, Paul Revere & The Raiders, etc. Why did these > groups have number ones here yet got no airplay in the UK? > Especially those groups who were on huge international labels. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frank Murphy: Dan, The Rascals had a top ten UK hit with Groovin’ and the follow- up "A Girl Like You" scraped into the 40. The Turtles had three top twenty hits so neither were unknown in The UK. The Buckinghams were on Pye Records who had more success with US soul artists than pop acts. Their records just got lost. Paul Revere and The Raiders were not taken very seriously by the almighty UK pop press. Probably due to the uniforms and rumours of session men on the records which is a pity as I actually like them now. Certainly a few UK groups picked up on Mo’reen for their live sets. CBS UK pushed a bit and the records were certainly released. The Byrds, Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel were successful CBS acts. Touring did help although The Byrds had a disastrous UK tour which meant records slid into the forty rather than the twenty as they deserved. The BBC did not play many records to begin with. There were lots of UK groups some of whom covered American records which were pushed in favour of the originals as the UK publishing companies received more money from a cover. The BBC could call on the UK group to tape their song in the BBC studios which could be played in lieu of a record. Lots of American hits did not make the UK charts in the fifties although there was a certain period when Americans did dominate, just pre Beatles. Gene Vincent lived here for two/three years and was popular on the live circuit Frank Murphy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Clark Besch: Dan, I think that after the Beatles, American acts may have suffered because the English realized THEY had great musical ideas too and could build on the Beatles sound! Just like here where garage bands spring up out of the Beatles craze. Our garage bands found they could create Beatles music and develop their own ideas too! I also do not think these American bands were ignored or unknown in the UK even if they did not have "hits". Groups like the Move, the Herd, the Pretty Things, Dave Dee Dozy etc. did not have hits in the US, but I sure knew their music. I think the same was true over there. I think the UK only had a top 50 chart too, so our Hot 100 gave lots of artists a better chance at charting just by having space on the charts. Certainly, the Who, Troggs and many others broke thru here, just as Dylan, Creedence, Lou Christie, the Byrds, the Supremes, Del Shannon, the Walker Brothers found good success over there. I know there was some blockage of having acts come over here and they responded in like, but I think overall that the British invasion conquered us and it also conquered them too. The whole world got caught up in Beatlemania and the British Invasion, so it was not a deliberate slap at the US artists, it was just a wave of music brought on by Beatlemania. OK, I'm getting carried away (or maybe I should be). Over to the Brits......Clark - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bob Rashkow: Many English artists of the mid and late 6Ts also failed to catch on here, for possibly the same reasons as the Raiders, the Turtles, etc. never caught on in the UK. I think it's both a question of cultural appreciation and one of money. The Pretty Things, in particular, come to mind here. I think Britain's youth was much, much more in tune with the down-tempo side of things; thus very upbeat, relatively optimistic songs by groups such as the Raiders and the Turtles weren't able to compete with, e.g., Blackberry Way by the Move--and vice versa here in the States, to some extent. The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" was such a foundation-setter both here and in England. I think here the trend went more toward the glass being half full and there, the glass being half empty. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule; why didn't "It's A Happening Thing" make the Top 10 nationwide??!! OK, the whining is done! ......Bobster - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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