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Spectropop - Digest Number 1672

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Dolly Parton at the Wrong Speed
           From: David Walker 
      2. Re: Good Vibes changes
           From: Richard Havers 
      3. Re: Claude Francois
           From: Frank 
      4. Re: Weighing in on Smile
           From: Richard Havers 
      5. Re: Tony May
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      6. going to see Smile
           From: Susan 
      7. Re: Bessie Banks
           From: Simon White 
      8. Re:Good Vibes changes
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      9. Michael Rabon & Choctaw
           From: Brent Cash 
     10. Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia
           From: Barry 
     11. Pick a Lollipop - any flavour you like
           From: Davie Gordon 
     12. The Ubiquitous Floyd Cramer (and Darlene Love)
           From: John Fox 
     13. Re: Chilling Lyrics
           From: Al Kooper 
     14. Carol Jarvis
           From: Joe Rickstone 
     15. Sylvan
           From: Mark Maldwyn 
     16. Re: Weighing in on Smile
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     17. Tell me Ringo what are your plans for Yom Kippor.
           From: Claire Francis 

Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:39:40 +0930 From: David Walker Subject: Dolly Parton at the Wrong Speed When I first bought the single "Coat of Many Colours" by Dolly Parton I had accidently left the switch on 33rpm. Interesting sound. I reckon with a few tweaks here and there it could have been released as a counter to the original. Needless to say I still play it at the wrong speed. David Walker -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:35:10 -0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Good Vibes changes I wrote: > .......and last of all, changing the lyrics to 'Good Vibrations' > is pointless and stupid. Kingsley Abbott: > One good thing about it is that it has finally got Tony Asher's name > on the writing credits - something I feel should always have been > the case as, let's not forget, he was very much involved with the > early conception and building of the song in the Pet Sounds sessions. No argument with Tony Asher getting his name on the credits Kingsley, but my point is about revisionism. Brian rejected some of the lyrics back then and gave us what we know to be Good Vibes. It was his call at the time and I for one prefer it that way. It's not a critiscm of the original lyrics. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:23:04 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Claude Francois I knew Claude François quite well (I still remember one fateful day we spent three hours locked in a studio and he tried to make me change my mind about his records). As for his writing credit they were purely due to some habit (not unknown in the US I admit) of asking for credit for the songs he sang in order to get author royalties. He could impose this to the writers who wrote for him because he was a really big seller and if you wanted to write something for him you had to give him co-writer credit. I don't know if they are the same tracks than the English ones you mention but I also remember once releasing a full LP of English songs by Claude François. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:58:40 -0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Weighing in on Smile Thanks to Richard Williams for saying it so well. I think of all the posts on Smile you have hit the nail.... as they sometimes say! For me the missing BB voices on record are there for the hearing. In concert things always sound so different, somehow you can't transfer atmosphere to the tape! As I said in an earlier post, I have no problem with what Brian's doing here. It's great that a whole new bunch of people will be turned on to his genius and will hopefully go back and explore some more of the original catalogue. I just struggle with the idea of this 'being Smile'. I struggle even more with the revisionists in the world who want to spin history into a vision of their own making. No single writer, producer or performer has given me more pleasure over the 40 plus years than Brian Wilson. I love it that he is receiving recognition for what he does, and has done. But there is an underlying thrust in a number of posts on the list that wishes to set things up as a Brian vs the Beach Boys. Sure there have been issues, good guys, bad guys, ups and downs but none of us know the truth of what has gone on. Let's not try and dish the dirt on the other BBs, mostly of course Mike, let's just marvel in their comnbined musical legacy. We'll not see their like again. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:11:09 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Tony May Mick Patrick: > Tony May was a US songwriter whose name is known to me via numerous > great soul records on RCA, frequently in conjunction with Larry > Banks. Is there a US version of "Here I Go Again", I wonder? Al Kooper: > Tony May was a black engineer at a studio (Adelphi - 1650 B'way) where > I was an apprentice engineer. He wrote songs on the side and I played > on some of his demos in exchange for engineering lessons. This circa > '60-'61. He had something to do with Bessie Banks who did the original > record of the Moodies "Go Now". A very talented man who deserved > better. Tony May was, and still is a friend. The studio to which Koop refers is more likely Allegro and the years are more likely later 60's since I replaced him at Sounds on Broadway in 1967 when he went to Allegro--not important, but simply 4 duh rekkid. Possibly he was ad Adelphi before going to Costa's studio which was prior to 1967 next door to Bell Sound. Bessie Banks was his sister-in-law by his marriage to Henrietta, also Larry Banks brother. He wrote Go Now, I believe. I have been in touch with Tony recently. He retired about a year ago after many years at RCA/BMG studios, raised a family of successful, accomplished children and had a wonderful marriage to a lovely lady who passed away far too young. He is intelligent, articulate and sensitive. A good, well grounded man. Deserved better? Well, in my opinion he had what many would think is a fine life. Is he disappointed that his music was not more successful, yes, but it ain't over till the Soul Sisters sing--and he is now devoting himself to song writing again. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:36:42 EDT From: Susan Subject: going to see Smile Al Kooper writes: > I will be at the 10/14 Boston show out of respect for one of my > heroes. I learned a lot from Brian... The CD cannot possibly convey the passion and power and purpose of the live show. I was there the night it premiered, and the subsequent two nights, and when the CD was finally in my player I was just a touch disappointed...because it cannot possibly be as moving as seeing and hearing the piece live. I will be most interested in your take on the whole thing after the show. Susan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:02:10 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Bessie Banks Al Kooper wrote: > (Tony May) had something to do with Bessie Banks who did the original > record of the Moodies "Go Now". Ah, the UK / US divide. Over here Al, we say "Bessie Banks" and don't mention the Moody Blues' version. ;-) BTW Al, I rather like 'Love Trap" by T.D. Valentine - one of your songs. Tell us the story, go on! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:32:32 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re:Good Vibes changes > .......and last of all, changing the lyrics to 'Good Vibrations' > is pointless and stupid. Whoa! I did nae say that, that was someone else's quote. I was defending the lyric changes :-) Richard Hattersley ------------------------------------------------- Admin Note: This is what can happen when senders fail to sign their posts. Please all, sign your posts. Signed, Overworked S'pop Moderator ------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:15:47 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Michael Rabon & Choctaw Sam Cooper wrote: > I'm looking for info about: Michael Rabon & Choctaw "Mary Miles" by Michael Rabon & Choctaw is one of my favorite songs of all time. Soft Pop that sounds like a sunrise coming out of the speakers. Michael Rabon and Jim Wright from this group were in The Five Americans. Unfortunately,he is listed as "M. Kabon" on the label of Clark Besch's beloved U.S. Males 45: "Come Out Of The Rain". A perfect single, both this song & Artie Wayne's A side. Also, on the back cover of The MR&Choctaw LP, "Abnak" is spelled "Abnack". Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:27:57 -0500 From: Barry Subject: Re: Nothing takes the place of you on a rainy night in Georgia Pres: Your fondness for "Nothing Takes The Place Of You" is great, but do you know that there are hundreds of amazing deep soul ballads that were recorded at that time? I can point out plenty of others that will leave you breathless. By the way, the great (and under appreciated) Dee Dee Warwick (yes, Dionne's sister) did a wonderful reply called "Cold Night In Georgia" that's unbelievable. Barry -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:29:17 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Pick a Lollipop - any flavour you like I know they've been discussed before but they've been discussed recently on both the SoulfulDetroit and Motown forums - anybody care to help me sort out exactly which group is which. I've listed all the US releases I know of by groups called the Lollipops, Lolly-Pops or Lollypops except for 1. a group called the Lollipops on Bandbox - my info. is very sketchy 2. a group called the Lollipops from the early seventies with US releases on Atco - I think they're English going by the available credits (Mike Hugg as co-writer, Brian Lane producing) If anybody would like to add missing writer / producer credits it would be very helpful. Davie ============================== THE LOLLYPOPS Holland 7420 (11/58) BELIEVE IN ME MY LOVE IS REAL ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (West Coast - LA?) Warner Bros. 5122 (11/59) LITTLE DONKEY MISTER SANTA this Warner might be connected to Becky and The Lollipops. ============================== THE LOLLYPOPS Kandee 6001 (11/62) DREAM STREET [Lee DeSapio] DEAR NORMAN [Lee DeSapio] ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (New York?) RCA 8344 (03/64) PEGGY GOT ENGAGED I'LL SET MY LOVE TO MUSIC RCA 8390 (07/64) DON'T MONKEY WITH ME (Ronny Douglas,Larry Kusik) LOVE IS THE ONLY ANSWER (Lonnie Levister,Stanley Ossman) Prod : Joe Rene arr - Teacho Wiltshire RCA 8430 (09/64) BIG BROTHER BILLY, BILLY, BABY Prod : Joe Rene ? RCA 8494 (12/64) BUSY SIGNAL (Rene Malou) I WANT YOU BACK AGAIN Prod : Joe Rene arr : Charlie Fox ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (Philadelphia ?) Jamie 1283 (08/64) (as THE LOLLY-POPS) HAPPIEST BIRTHDAY PARTY OF MY LIFE (Harry Moffitt) TOUGH (Bob Finiz) Prod : Bob Finiz Smash 2057 (09/66) HE'S THE BOY (Carlucci, Grasso, Venneri) GEE WHIZ BABY (Carlucci, Grasso, Venneri) Prod : Billy Carl - Joe Venneri SSS Intl. 777 (08/69) YOU DON'T KNOW FEEL SO COMFORTABLE (Ginger Greco) Prod : Joe Venneri ? ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (Nashville ?) Mike 1017 mid-60'S YEAH, YEAH TEARDROPS (Robert Riley) I'M SO GRATEFUL (Robert Riley) ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (Danish) Vault 926 (1966) WHO CARES ABOUT ME WORDS AIN'T ENOUGH ============================== THE LOLLIPOPS (Detroit) probably includes Arenita Walker Impact 1021 (12/66) LOVING GOOD FEELING (Duke Browner) STEP ASIDE BABY (Duke Browner, Arenita Walker) Prod : Duke Browner arr - Mike Terry V.I.P. 25051 (10/69) CHEATING IS TELLING ON YOU (Duke Browner, Arenita Walker) NEED YOUR LOVE (Duke Browner) Prod : Duke Browner arr - Paul Riser [scheduled to be issued as Gordy 7089 around 06/69 but release cancelled) V.I.P. unissued LOOK WHAT YOU DONE BOY on CD : Tamla Motown Connosseurs - VOL. 2 LOOK WHAT YOU DONE BOY on CD : Motown : Year By Year 1969 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:43:03 EDT From: John Fox Subject: The Ubiquitous Floyd Cramer (and Darlene Love) Previously: > And speaking of Brenda--is that Floyd Cramer playing in the > background on her ballads?? In the golden era of crossover country (1961-1963), it seems like Floyd is playing on about every other song that hit the top 40. Well, except "Roses Are Red", where Spectropopper Paul Evans has already established for us that they deliberately found a Floyd soundalike. It would be great to have a list of top 40 songs that Floyd played on. Same for the Blossoms as back-up singers. Anyone wanna start either list? John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:31:27 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Chilling Lyrics Lyrics that kill me: "Bernadette" (Holland-Dozier-Holland) "...other men they long to control you But how can they control you Bernadette When they cannot control themselves >From wanting you, needing you But darling You belong to me ! They want you because of the pride that it gives But Bernadette I want you Cause I need you to live!" The rest of that lyric is as perfect as the above sample. As a songwriter, I hope that in my life, I can write a lyric as chilling as the above. Lord knows, I'm always trying....... Al "I'm Not Worthy" Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:03:57 -0000 From: Joe Rickstone Subject: Carol Jarvis One hit (sort of) "Rebel" b/w "Whirlpool of Love" on Dot Records in 1957. I am interested in any info on her career, recording sessions, and what she did when the conttracts dried up. I've seen small bio info suggesting Carol was the daughter of L.A. radio personality Al Jarvis, but I'm not sure that's true. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:21:33 -0000 From: Mark Maldwyn Subject: Sylvan Does anyone know the history and whereabouts of Sylvan? She has a track on the RPM CD Dream Babes 3. A great production with fantastic etheral vocals about a suicide pact! 'We Don't Belong'... Thanks, Mark M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:21:18 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Weighing in on Smile I just wish I had discovered "Smiley Smile" back in 1967. I didn't even know "Heroes and Villains" was on the radio! All it takes is for me to even think about tracks like "Fall Breaks and Back To Winter" and I'm smiling through my day. Beach Boys are the bomb, Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:08:47 EDT From: Claire Francis Subject: Tell me Ringo what are your plans for Yom Kippor. Hi dear S'pop members: I want to thank all of you who responded to my query about John Bull Breed. After reading the information you all sent, I realized how fortunate I am to be able to tap into such a wealth of knowledge about one of the best eras in music. Each era of music is so important to the human race and to the growth of each new generation. The great Shamans and Medicine people of the tribes always handed down the customs of their tribe to the next generation. In a way, with all the knowledge you have of the 60's you are all like the shamans of that generation. Collecting your records and your information is of great value to people a lot of times. Take my case for example. I had almost NO memory of my records and you all just helped me to remember a time in my life that was really very important. Although there are some records that I would like to keep forgetting like "Here I Go Again" that is currently playing in musica. I guess that must have been a "B" side to something I did (if anyone knows, please tell me or please play it for me), but honestly, I would never have released it. Ellie Greenwich and the Chiffons have it over me by a mile. The record is not interesting - it's boring. But I liked hearing it again because it made me happy and gave me a jolt - probably because the Universe knew I needed one. It was part of my past and I loved producing it. The sound was fair. Nothing like I was really capable of doing. But that sometimes happens when you make records, or movies, or write books. Some got it - some don't. In those days I never considered my self a "singer" even though I loved to sing. To me a singer was Arethea Franklin or Patti LaBelle. I can remember when I heard Patti LaBelle sing "Danny Boy" for the first time, I was in my car. I had to stop the car! I couldn't go on, it just blew me away. Now that's a singer! I never considered myself a musician even though I play the guitar and percussion. But the thing I loved the most was making waves and crescendos in the studio and bringing together the harmony of souls. Yeah, those were really great days. I also wanted to share an experience I had with The Beatles with the S'pop group. When I first heard the Beatles I went crazy just like every other person. But I made up my mind the first time I saw them that I was going to meet them. This was before I was in the music business. Their music really inspired me plus they were cute. I even cut my hair like a Beatle Hair cut. Well, when they came to Shea Stadium in New York for their first appearance, they stayed at a hotel on Park Avenue. At that time I worked in advertising. I found some rate cards lying around the office and one was for the New York Post newspaper. I laminated the rate card and created a Press Pass out of it. I forged a letter from the New York Post saying that I was on assignment to cover the press conference. I put three cameras around my neck and went to the hotel where the Beatles were staying. The barricades held back thousands of screaming fans. I walked up to a Police man and asked him where the Press conference was being held. He looked at my badge and pointed and said "over there." I walked into the hotel and asked another police man and hotel person where the Press conference was and they all politely told me to take the elevator up to the 22nd floor. When I got into the elevator I was freaking out - I was moments away from meeting The Beatles. Since I had never been in a press conference and had no idea what goes on, I followed the rest of the crowd and did exactly what every one else did so's not to look suspicious. Everyone took a seat - so I took a seat. Everyone took out pen and pad, I rummaged through my bag and found the same. The dais was set up in front of all the "reporters." Suddenly The Beatles walk in and take their seats at the dais. "You may begin the questions" someone says - Everyone raises their hands - I raise my hand - why am I raising my hand? I have no idea - all I know is I'm doing what everyone else is doing. Ringo POINTS TO ME!!! I FREEZE AND STARE AT HIM, CAN'T SPEAK, OH MY GOD. The reporter next to me pushes me on the shoulder and says "Ask him a question - quick." I stand up and say the first thing that comes to my mind - are you ready for this - "Tell me Ringo what are your plans for Yom Kippor. Now for those of you out there who are Jewish I am sure you know what Yom Kippor is. But for those who don't, it is a very important Jewish Holiday where you are supposed to atone for your sins. So Ringo looks at me and smiles and says "Well I guess I will drink a lot of Coca-Cola." I say "thank you very much" and sit down. I thought I would die when he pointed at me. I was so stunned and I could not believe what I said to him. Yom Kippor of all things - I must have been in shock. After the conference I went over to Ringo and told him my name and that I really wasn't with the New York Post. He thought it was a riot. He laughed and said "Don't worry - I didn't know what Yom Kippor was". I explained it to him and we became quick crazy friends for a moment in time. I got to take loads of pictures of the Beatles that day. Several years later when I left for London to work for Polydor - I stored a trunk (filled with my collection of papers and photos and records and even a poem written to me by Jack Kerouac) in the basement of our building in a storage bin for our apartment. When my mother moved, she forgot to take the trunk. The trunk is gone. Who knows where. As fate had it, when I worked at Polydor - I met with John Lennon and Paul McCartney at Paul's house. I will save that story for my next time. But I will say that the three meetings I had with John and Paul were really awesome. I will tell more later. By the way all this is in my book called "A Song For Every Journey" which will be out soon. So thanks for listening. Some time next week my kids will make the CD of "There I Go Again" and then pleezzze take it out of the musica room. I get embarrassed when I hear myself sing that one. I would rather hear "I've Got My Own Thing Going" which at least made the charts in New York and I haven't heard that one for 37 years. Also, I am looking for anything by Sonny Childe and John Bull Breed. If you know how to Email these records to me - that would be great. Hope you enjoyed the story. Meanwhile, Love & Light to you all. Claire Francis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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