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Spectropop - Digest Number 1666

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 26 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. The Swanks
           From: Ray 
      2. Re: Tommy McClain
           From: John Marriott 
      3. Re: The Knickerbockers
           From: Austin Roberts 
      4. Re: Arrangers
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      5. Re: Louise Cordet: It's So Hard To Be Good
           From: Scott Swanson 
      6. RIP Scott Muni
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Re: Johnny Crawford´s voice
           From: Austin Roberts 
      8. Re: Arrangers
           From: Austin Roberts 
      9. Re: The Concords
           From: Davie Gordon 
     10. Re: The Mello-Kings
           From: Davie Gordon 
     11. Kevin McQuinn track to musica
           From: Tom 
     12. ravin' about (Genya) Ravan
           From: Tony  Leong 
     13. Re: "You Got Style"
           From: Orion 
     14. Re: Privacy
           From: Austin Roberts 
     15. Me About You
           From: Patrick Rands 
     16. Coke is it!
           From: Joe Nelson 
     17. Re: The Swanks
           From: Gary Myers 
     18. Re: Artie Wayne song
           From: Clark Besch 
     19. "Hits"
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. Oliver
           From: Robert 
     21. Claude Francois
           From: Frank 
     22. Zager and Evans
           From: Paul Urbahn 
     23. French EP's
           From: Frank Murphy 
     24. Re: Johnny Crawford  & ?
           From: Howard Earnshaw 
     25. Re: Weighing in on Smile
           From: Mark Frumento 
     26. The Five Americans
           From: Lyn Nuttall 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:43:07 +0100 From: Ray Subject: The Swanks I recently heard a record called Ghost Train, by The Swanks. I suppose you would call it '60s instumental Surf Rock. I have checked usual sites but can't find any trace of this group. Has anybody got any information, and is this track available on CD? Thanks, Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:15:52 +0100 From: John Marriott Subject: Re: Tommy McClain He's still around. Saw him turn in a great show in the swamp pop section of this year's Ponderosa Stomp in New Orleans in April. Tremendous soulful singer, with great stage presence. He wore a bright red knee-length zoot suit and cowboy hat! John Marriott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:45:29 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: The Knickerbockers Gary Myers wrote: > You certainly know better than I, but my only encounter with him was > not real lovable. We played the Knickerbockers' off night (at the Red > Velvet) for a few weeks in fall '65 and the first time we went in, their > drummer's (Jimmy Walker, IIRC) drums were still set up. The drummer > wasn't there and Buddy was, but he wouldn't move anything. We had to > move them, and we thought it was strange that he wouldn't rather move > them himself. Perhaps between '65 and '69 he gained some class, as they say. When I met him, Buddy, John and Beau Charles and I all lived in the same apartment building on Arch Drive in North Hollywood. In fact I recommended the drummer that started working with them in '69. Buddy and Beau and I hung out a lot ... especially at the pool, where the ladies usually were. Sorry you didn't get to know the real Buddy. Al K. may have more insight from their Royal Teen days. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:33:35 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Arrangers Robert Pingel wrote: > As a meaningless mental exercise I decided to make a top 10 list of > the best musical arrangers from the 60's. It turned out to be a lot > more agonizing than I suspected. Good list, but add: Sammy Lowe, Hutch Davie, Don Costa, Ron Frangipane, Bert DeCoteaux; and, although he wasn't thought of as a commercial arranger, he was then -- and IMHO possibly the best of the bunch – Dave Grusin. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:11:30 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Louise Cordet: It's So Hard To Be Good Phil Milstein wrote: > Taken from the 1966 hodgepodge montage "Disk-O-Tek > Holiday," aka "Just For Fun". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the film's original U.K. title was "Just For You," and that "Just For Fun" was actually a completely different film, from 1963, but which also contained a Louise Cordet track, "Which Way The Wind Blows"!) "Just For Fun" = 1963, with Joe Meek/Tony Meehan-related acts "Just For You" = 1964, with Shel Talmy-related acts (later released in the U.S. as "Disk-O-Tek Holiday") Both original soundtrack albums were released on Decca, though. Regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:18:58 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: RIP Scott Muni As someone who started listening to this man on the radio on WMCA in the late '50s, this is sad news indeed. Country Paul ------ 'The Professor' of Rock Scott Muni Dies by The Associated Press September 29, 2004 NEW YORK (AP) -- Disc jockey Scott Muni, the gravelly-voiced radio host whose encyclopedic knowledge of rock 'n' roll made him ``The Professor'' to three generations of New York listeners, has died at 74. Muni, who spent nearly 50 years on air in the nation's No. 1 radio market, died Tuesday. he had suffered a stroke earlier this year. But the cause of his death was not immediately known, said Josefa Paganuzzi, spokeswoman for Clear Channel New York. Muni's last gig was an hour-long afternoon show on New York classic rock station Q104.3, where he landed in 1998. He also hosted many nationally syndicated programs during his career, including ``Scott Muni's World of Rock'' and the Beatles-oriented ``Ticket to Ride.'' He was included in an exhibit on radio personalities at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. Muni's voice was instantly recognizable, a low rumble announcing the latest tunes from the Beatles to Bruce Springsteen to Pearl Jam. As the program director at WNEW-FM, he was one of the leading acolytes of the freeform radio movement and became a major influence on the next wave of DJs. Known to his listeners as ``The Professor'' or ``Scottso,'' Muni was renowned for his interviews with artists such as Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, Pete Townsend and Springsteen. In one of his more memorable encounters, Muni was speaking with Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page when the musician suddenly collapsed to the floor in mid-sentence, wiped out by days of partying. The unflappable Muni simply put on a record, woke Page up, and conducted the rest of the interview with the guitarist lying on the studio floor. Muni was a die-hard fan of Bob Dylan and the Beatles; after the 1980 murder of John Lennon, the DJ began opening his shows with a Beatles song. ``I did it all,'' Muni once said when asked about the one thing he wanted to do before dying. ``Some I did more than once.'' Muni was born in Wichita, Kan., and raised in New Orleans. His broadcasting career started in the Marines. He could be heard on Radio Guam reading ``Dear John'' letters sent to his fellow servicemen. Back in the United States, he replaced Alan Freed in Akron, Ohio, before arriving in New York City in the late '50s as one of WMCA-AM's ``Good Guys,'' serving up Top 40 fare. He switched to rival WABC-AM in 1960, and was there during the height of Beatlemania. But it was when he switched over to the new world of FM that Muni found his perfect place on the radio dial. He arrived at WNEW in 1967, helping create one of the nation's first and longest-lasting alternative stations. In addition to his radio work, Muni asked, ``How do you spell relief?'' in a Rolaids commercial. He also did promotional announcements for ABC's ``Monday Night Football.'' There was no immediate word on a memorial service, but Clear Channel-owned Q104.3 planned a weekend-long tribute to Muni featuring the music of the Beatles. He is survived by his second wife and five children. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:18:27 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Johnny Crawford´s voice Clark Besch wrote: > Count me in on the wrong speed mistake discoveries!! In 77 or so, I > played "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Section on the Lp at 45 > by mistake and, lo and behold, there was Stevie Nicks' voice!!! Move > over, "Revolution #9"!! I even played it on my show speeding it up > to Stevie's voice manually on the air. Of course, as a joke, I followed > that by slowing down "Alvin's Harmonica" and it suddenly turned > into Barry Manilow's "I Write the Songs"! Sorry, Barry. I made two mistakes like this, only at the proper speed. When I first heard You Were On My Mind, I thought it was a guy singing until I saw them on TV, and the singer was DEFINITELY a girl (oh yes). Also, Lost in Love by Air Supply -- I was sure that Russell H. was a girl until I saw them on TV (though not at the same time; talk about a confusing day that would've been). Anyway, this might be a fun theme to follow for a little while if there are any takers. Austin "always confused" Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:27:54 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Arrangers Robert Pingel wrote: > As a meaningless mental exercise I decided to make a top 10 list of > the best musical arrangers from the 60's. It turned out to be a lot > more agonizing than I suspected. I agree with most of your list. The one exception, or eleventh of the top 10 (huh?), would be Carole King, if only for her unbelievable string parts in Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. One man's opinion, Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:45:10 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: The Concords Bill George asked: > Is this the same Concords that sang "Should I Cry" (wr. Jackie > DeShannon)? Those Concords sure don't sound white to me. Great > doo-wop record by the way, with a very different arrangement > from Jackie's own. Yep -- same group, and definitely white. They had records on RCA ('61), Gramercy ('61/'62), Rust ('62) and Herald ('62) before breaking up. Mike Lewis reformed the group in '64 and they did "Should I Cry" for Epic, then the final single on Boom. They had a few different lead singers, which probably accounts for the change in sound. According to Jay Warner's "Billboard Book of American Singing Groups," the lead on "Should I Cry" was Teddy Graybill, who wasn't in the earlier version of the group. Here's a website with the story of The Concords, complete with photos of the group: While scrolling through this site I was amazed to find an article on Tico & The Triumphs which reveals that Marty Cooper was in the group. Florence DeVore also gets a namecheck! Davie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:25:19 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Re: The Mello-Kings Austin Powell wrote: > Eddie Robbins joined The Mello-Kings in the early sixties. He'd > recorded solo before that (on Dot I think). He was from the Bronx > and ran his own Mello-Kings for a while on the oldies circuit. Here's some stuff on the Mello-Kings and Eddie Robbins, from the same site I mentioned in connection with The Concords: Davie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:21:07 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Kevin McQuinn track to musica Due to the recent topics on Diamond Records, Kevin McQuinn backed up by the Four Seasons, etc., I've played McQuinn's "Ev'ry Step Of The Way" to musica for everyone to hear. The song, I believe, is on a foreign bootleg CD taken from vinyl, but I've found no copies of this CD ever, so my MP3 might even sound better than that CD. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:47:30 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: ravin' about (Genya) Ravan Hey guys, I'm still buzzed from the great show I saw the other night by Genya Ravan and her band in New York City. That woman really knows how to rock! Ironically, one of the best numbers she did was a pumped up version of Marvin Gaye's "Stubborn Kind Of Fella" (with no change of gender). During the Ten Wheel Drive number "Eye Of The Needle", the original trumpet player from the band (sorry, can't remember his name) came up and blew the roof off the place. But the special part of the evening was when Genya invited onto the stage Ginger Pannebianco and Margo Lewis of The Gingerbreads, to do "Can't You Hear My Heartbeat" (which was their biggest UK hit, although they all DESPISE it!). Unfortunately, nobody thought to call Carol McDonald for the shindig. Anyway, Genya and her band really put on a great evening, and I think they will start to do so on a regular basis on Tuesdays in New York at the Cutting Room. Prior to the show, Genya signed copies of her new autobiography, which is a great read by a woman who was so ahead of her time in every way in the music business. And for the curiousity of the UK Goldie & The Gingerbreads fans, Margo Lewis, the keyboardist, runs her own talent company in New York – she's quite the businesswoman! She still does the keyboards for Bo Diddley when he plays live. Ginger works for a home furnishings company as a visual merchandiser, but she still would love to play drums for an MTV-like young chick singer! Such a great evening with such interesting musicians! If Genya and her band come to your town, GO SEE THEM! And her book is a must-read for her fans! Tony Leong -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:16:11 -0500 From: Orion Subject: Re: "You Got Style" Guy Lawrence wrote: > I recently got hold of Jon & Robin's nattily attired "Elastic Event" > album (Abnak 1967). The album contains a Jeff Barry/Andy Kim > song, "You Got Style", that sounds just like their work on Kim's > solo record. "You Got Style" was a farily big hit on WHB in Kansas City, MO. Although it only got to #110 on Billboard, it registered #85 on Cashbox, and was one of my favorite toons of that summer. I guess until I looked it up, I always thought it was probably a mid-sized hit nationwide. I assume most people never got to hear the song. It is really catchy. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:01:30 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Privacy Orion: > Many people want their privacy, and I believe they deserve it. Gary Myers: > Yes. It's been very interesting to see the many different types of > responses I've received in my research. Some don't want to talk > about the past at all, some seem bitter that they never made it big, > some will tell you about their "hit" record (that no one ever heard > of), and some will tell you all the excuses for not making it big. > Fortunately, there are many (like those of us in here) who really > enjoy it all and have fun with it, regardless of what did or didn't > happen. It's probably true that some folks like their privacy. As for me, I've always felt very lucky to have been able to stay in this business 37 years and still be able to support myself. Along with that, I truly appreciate the interest shown by many of my Spectropop friends in my career, as I'm sure that most, if not all of us that have been fortunate enough to have had hits and misses (which you guys seem to know of as well as the hits). I am tickled that someone (usually more than one) out there always seems to come up with the answer to ANY question that pops up on this site. I've had new friends on the site send me records I made so long ago I can't even find them at the `extreme' oldies stores. I love what I do and still get paid to do, which amazes me and more than that, the people that like what I've done. Thanks again, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:13:15 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Me About You I'm looking to complete my collection of recorded versions of Me About You and I was wondering if anyone could help with the last couple of versions I'm needing before I try to order copies online? The versions I'm still needing are by Eric and Errol (from a Buddah 45) and Billie Davis (the Billie Davis version has been released on the Best of Billie Davis cd but I haven't had any luck finding a copy online from a reputable seller because the disc is out of print). If anyone has either of these versions of Me About You, please send me a message. And If anyone is interested in hearing any of the other versions, let me know, I have a bunch of them. Off list reples only, please. :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:27:17 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Coke is it! Visit the URL below to read "Pop Tunes: Memorable Coke moments in the city" by David Hinckley from the New York Daily News. Apparently the author didn't realize that Billy Davis died recently. Nevertheless, open a Coke and enjoy! - Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:34:18 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: The Swanks Rob: > ... Ghost Train by The Swanks ... Has anybody got any information ... FWIW: Charm 6081, 1965 (per Osborne price guide). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:56:04 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Artie Wayne song Guy Lawrence wrote: > I recently got hold of Jon & Robin's nattily attired "Elastic Event" > album (Abnak 1967) and on it found a track written by our own Artie > Wayne that I don't think has been mentioned here as yet. "Just > Imagine" (A.Wayne/Bob Halley) is pretty funky stuff too ... Guy, Jon & Robin's "You Got Style" is great and it was a big hit in the midwest and Texas area. I think I have it at #1 on KLIF Dallas. Abnak 45s sold quite well in Texas and Oklahoma generally as well as in other midwestern states. "Drums" was also huge in these areas. Hmm, brings up the "one hit wonder" theory again. Anyway, Sundazed not only has their hands on the Abnak stuff, they OWN it! I did a lot of work for the recent Abnak 5 Americans and Bobby Patterson reissues on Sundazed. Bobby is well known throughout the Texas area still today and has his own radio show ta boot. At the same time, I did a lot of stuff for a Jon and Robin project, but for some reason, it has yet to see the light of day. I do think Sundazed will indeed release the Jon & Robin stuff one day, maybe when (if?) Bob Irwin gets time off from his other major projects. Besides these tracks, I am always hoping and asking that they get individual various artists tracks on a Cd eventually. Mainly, I wanna hear the U.S. Males' (previously, the Coastliners on Backbeat!) "Open Up Your Heart" (Artie Wayne song also) b/w "Come out of the Rain" and one of my all time fave Abnak tracks, the In Crowd's "Hangin' From Your Lovin' Tree" which was big in the midwest, also. Cross your fingers, cause my fingers have been crossed for two years and I cannot type this message anymore!! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:32:58 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: "Hits" Gary Myers: > ... some will tell you about their "hit" record (that no one ever > heard of) ... Gary, again I feel the word "hit" is very subjective. Some might consider not making the national top 40 or Top 10 "not a hit". Some might consider making the top 10 in one market a hit. Some might consider not making the local chart, but getting heavy airplay locally "a hit". Austin Roberts, Al Kooper, Artie Wayne, Alan Gordon and many others here have what could be considered both hits and misses, but I look at it differently. If I put a record out that I recorded and 500 (maybe even 100!) people bought it, I'd be very proud that 500 people liked my record and to me, it was a hit!! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:21:57 -0000 From: Robert Subject: Oliver Was anyone here involved in the Oliver compilation CD a few years ago that was never released? Just wondered if anyone knows why it never came out. He's cetainly as deserving (if not more) as Gilbert O Sullivan or Keith to have at least one good CD comp. His 1st album, especially, is very solid. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:33:34 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Claude Francois My God! I never thought I would see the day Claude François is mentioned or even worse played her at Spectropop. Of all the French singers who made their success out of covering US and British hits he was probably the most popular over here in France but certainly very far from being the best. I can't think of a single one of his covers which was not an almost outrageous poor parody of the original hit. His only and main talent was in being extremely fast in finding the biggest foreign hits and covering them. If you really have to listen to French "cover-singers" try Richard Anthony, at least he knew how to sing. Frank P.S. Just for the record Claude François practically never wrote any of his lyrics. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:29:26 EDT From: Paul Urbahn Subject: Zager and Evans Previously: > ... and Zager and Evans released the unpromotable "Mr Turnkey" as > their sole followup to "In The Year 2525" There is a local story that I have not been able to confirm that one of the members of Zager and Evans was Minister of music at one of the local churches here in the Ft Knox area. It probably would have been right after they broke up, in the very early 70s if it happened. The story has been repeated around town, but there doesn't appear to be any remaining members of that church alive today. Anyone know of the follow up activities? Was either interested in church work? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:55:54 +0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: French EP's Previously: > ... His French version of Bend Me Shape Me ("Serre-moi, griffe-moi", > or "squeeze me, scratch me" perversely) was only an EP track in France I thought all single releases in France were EP's. In the early sixties French record companies only released Extended Play singles with four tracks and pic covers. I gather two sided singles were unknown. Could any French or other knowledgeable person confirm there was some sort of law regarding this. Amercian and UK artists had to release EP's rather than singles in France and if the company only had the two tracks another two from another artist were added. Instant collector's item. The French EP's were the first big import success I noted, as British fans could get reasonably priced records with unusual combinations of tracks and an attractive cover. FrankM reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm or listen to an archive show -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:27:34 -0400 From: Howard Earnshaw Subject: Re: Johnny Crawford & ? Herbert Maton wrote: > The one song that I really love is "Your Nose Is Gonna Grow" due to > its novelty nature. Didn't Maureen Evans cover this too, I'm sure I've seen a song with title by her on Oriole (UK), or was it our old friend Christine Quaite?? Howard (having a senior moment - e.g. memory lapse!) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:03:52 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Weighing in on Smile Bill Reed wrote: > I used up a lot of column inches circa 1965-75 predicting that > someday Brian Wilson would break away from the Beach Boys and > become established as one of the major (extra-categoric) composers > of the century. Had to happen. I surely did endure derision for > that "call." Dame history, of course, has long since absolved me. I'm not exactly sure I undertand your point. The implication, if I read it correctly is that Brian's work stands alone, without the Beach Boys. Maybe true and maybe not. As far back as Pet Sounds his significant writing and arranging gifts were recognized by many people. That's nothing new. What more is there? Do you feel he fits in a category beyond that? His main accomplishments were as the composer for the Beach Boys. Not sure that is disputed. But that's no different than Lennon and McCartney being recognized outside of the Beatles. He was a great writer: fact. But it doesn't change the fact that there was also band behind him. Why do the two have to be so separate? I ask that question in all sincerity because it doesn't make sense to me. I understand why David Leaf and others want to keep the Brian Wilson flame alive. Their livelihoods depend on it. But for those of us that have known for a long time that Brian Wilson was a great songwriter, his tours, Smile and certainly his solo albums do nothing to enhance that fact. Some of these things are pleasant reminders of his talent, some represent the harsh reality that he doesn't have that talent any more and some show that the Beach Boys were a significant ingredient in his success. As for Smile itself, I'm still struggling with it. Several friends convinced me to enjoy it for what it is. Determining what it is is the problem. Right now my best assessment (likely to change) is that its a very good reconstruction of what Smile could have been, done by the best musician/Beach Boys fan around today. That Brian is on it doesn't seem to matter and in fact, at times, brings it down to something that is not art at all (especially bad are the vocals on Wind Chimes and Surfs Up). I'm sure of one thing. It is not THE Smile and nothing will ever be Smile. That Smile remains a myth is what is so beautiful about Smile and one of the many reasons Brian's legacy (and that of the Beach Boys) has endured. End of rant. Mark F. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 26 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:04:18 -0000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: The Five Americans Guy Lawrence : > Jon & Robin's nattily attired "Elastic Event" album (Abnak 1967).... > The album was produced by Mike Rabon of labelmates the Five Americans > (who also contributes one song) and the Americans and fellow Abnak-ers > the In Crowd provide backing. Coincidentally, I read your post soon after visiting the Five Americans' website (I'd been looking into Aussie band The Strangers' cover of "Western Union"). I reckon it's one of the best artists' sites I've seen: clean, uncluttered and nice to navigate. Not only that, they have free downloads of three of their hits as mp3s. It's at Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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