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Spectropop - Digest Number 1652



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      2. "Come Back When You Grow Up"; "...Mary Mae"; "...Wanna be Happy" calypso?
           From: Country Paul 
      3. Welcome, new member Claire Francis
           From: Frank 
      4. Re: Dean Reed's "Elizabeth"
           From: Eddy 
      5. Izora Rhodes Armstead, R.I.P.
           From: Eddy 
      6. Re: The Outsiders' "Bend Me, Shape Me"
           From: Ed B 
      7. Welcome, new member Claire Francis
           From: Mick Patrick 
      8. New track at musica: Danish girl group A-side
           From: Martin Jensen 
      9. Welcome, new member Claire Francis
           From: Martin Roberts 
     10. Re: "Bend Me, Shape Me"
           From: Ed Salamon 
     11. Re: more on Dean Reed
           From: Chris 
     12. Sandy (with a Y) Shaw
           From: Eddy 
     13. Boom Records listing
           From: Davie Gordon 
     14. Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P.
           From: Joe Nelson 
     15. Re: Welcome, new member Claire Francis
           From: Mick Patrick 
     16. Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P.
           From: Robert Pingel 
     17. They All Wanna Sound Like Dion
           From: Mikey 
     18. Andy Kim
           From: Michael Godin 
     19. Gillian Hills and Eight Feet
           From: Ian Slater 
     20. Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P.
           From: Ian Slater 
     21. Introduction
           From: Kevin Higham 
     22. Re: Gillian's Hills
           From: nuzzster 
     23. Re: Del Shannon box set (some details)
           From: Jens Koch 
     24. Remembering Jim Croce
           From: Artie Wayne 
     25. Re: Sandy (with a Y) Shaw
           From: Tom K White 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:56:08 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update A super soul item plays on the Home page in the form of Val Martinez' "Someone's Gonna Cry" (RCA). Get there, give it a listen or be square. http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm Part four of Jack's interview with Karel Beer is playing On The Radio http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm Jack talks about recording with Doris Day and shady shenanigans in the record biz. Harvey Kubernik, talking about his new book, "This Is Rebel Music", has been interviewed by Gary Pig Gold for the Fufkin web site. It's both an excellent site and interview, split into two parts, the first part of which is available at http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/inhardback.htm#rebel Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:45:29 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: "Come Back When You Grow Up"; "...Mary Mae"; "...Wanna be Happy" calypso? Clark Besch: > This conversation led to the story on "Come Back When You Grow Up". > When KOMA radio in Oklahoma City had their DJ reunion early this > year, my fave KOMA DJ, Dale Wehba, talked about hearing a local band > play the song live and he thought it would be good for Vee. That would be Shadden and the King Lears, whose arrangement was essentially copied by Bobby Vee. > It appears with an intro on Vee's EMI Legendary Masters Cd and we > wondered why they cut that and made the 45 start cold vith vocal > beginning instead of having the original opening. As I remember, the Shadden version came in with the cold vocal entry; I never knew of an intro. Interesting. Clark again: > New to Musica is P.F. Sloan's unreleased demo acetate "Hey There > Mary May". With all the talk of the techniques used to do Gary > Bonds' music, I thought this would be fun to hear at this time. > Certainly NO attempt was made by Sloan to capture the sound of the > recording techniques of U.S. Bonds', but it certainly is a ripoff > of his big hit "New Orleans". I agree that it's interesting and IMO it's pretty good; granted that it's a demo, I wouldn't expect the recording quality to be monumental. But I respectfully differ with Frank's review of this track ;the song isn't monumental either - to me it feels like the derivation it is, and shows the difference between "working on something" and "just letting it flow." (But it IS cool to be able to hear it; thanks, Clark!) Al Kooper wrote, re: Frank Guida productions: > My fave has always been "If Ya Wanna Be Happy For The Rest of > Your Life, Never Make A Pretty Woman Your Wife - From My > Personal Point of View Get An Ugly Woman To Marry You" by > Jimmy Soul. Now THAT'S some Shakespearian wisdom right dere. ...And a rompin' good track. I always wondered if there had been a calypso version before - or after. anyone know/ And Al re: Brent Records, mentions Dean Parrish's "Turn On Your Love Light," which I've never heard. Any chance of playing it to musica, Al? Please? "All right, good night, sleep tight, gotta get up very early in the mornin'..." Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:04:15 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Welcome, new member Claire Francis Claire Francis wrote: > My name is Claire Francis. I was head of A&R for Polydor in London > for a few years in the sixties. While I was there, I recorded myself > as an artist. I recorded "But I Don't Care" and "I've Got My Own > Thing Going", for Polydor records in the 60's, along with several > other records... Welcome Claire, I remember fondly "Baby I don't care" and I'll have to check if I still have the single somewhere in my collection. In any case if you want to have a chance of finding what you are looking for, you came to the right place. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:31:12 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Dean Reed's "Elizabeth" Andrew Charles: > I remember seeing one TV news story about Dean Reed, and how he was > going to try and re-establish his career in the US. Unfortunately, > not long after that story, he died mysteriously. Apparently Reed had more than strong sympathies for Communism. After all, there was a reason why he lived in the GDR and was so popular in the USSR. He did indeed go back to the States trying to rekindle his career, but I suspect this was mostly done against a political background. For reasons unknown (his visit to the States maybe?) he got in trouble with the Powers in Charge in the GDR and soon afterwards he was found drowned in a lake, still fully clothed. Although it was never ruled as such, popular belief is that he was murdered over forementioned trouble. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:45:15 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Izora Rhodes Armstead, R.I.P. R.I.P. Izora Rhodes Armstead, half of The Weather Girls of "It's Raining Men" fame. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:30:45 -0000 From: Ed B Subject: Re: The Outsiders' "Bend Me, Shape Me" Someone mentioned: > The Outsiders ... I believe Bend Me Shape Me was on the second album, along with Respectable and Help Me Girl, but it wasn't released as a single. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:06:34 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Welcome, new member Claire Francis Claire Francis: > My name is Claire Francis. I was head of A&R for Polydor in London > for a few years in the sixties. While I was there, I recorded myself > as an artist. I recorded "But I Don't Care" and "I've Got My Own > Thing Going", for Polydor records in the 60's, along with several > other records... Hi Claire, we're honoured to have you on board. Many of us S'poppers have a strong interest in 1960s songwriters and producers, especially of the female kind. Y'know, Carole King, Ellie Greenwich, etc. To many of us, "But I Don't Care" is something of a Spectorized Holy Grail. > I am currently trying to locate copies and original masters of my > work as well as articles written about me to give to my daughters. > Is there anyway anyone out there can help... Copies of your own records are a bit hard to find, to say the least. Trust me, they are very collectable. But I dare say that someone could transfer those rare 45s to CDR for you, if that might suffice. The records you produced for other artists at Polydor - Lynn Holland, Sonny Childe, Dave Rich, etc - aren't quite as hard to find. With any luck, someone here at S'pop can help you find copies for your gals. I've always been curious how an American woman ended up in Britain working as a record producer. How did you land that job? What had you been doing previously? Which artists, other than those mentioned above, did you produce? Questions, questions! Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:29:49 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: New track at musica: Danish girl group A-side Hi, In 64 the two sisters Lecia & Lucienne issued 'Waiting on the Corner', a nice little girl group single now playing at Musica. It was written by the 'Danish Elvis', teen sensation Otto Brandenborg, who also penned the B-side, the Beatlesque 'Wishing to Kiss You'. If anyone's interested, I can also upload that one... with regards Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:43:30 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Welcome, new member Claire Francis Hello Claire, Well how cool to see your message pop-up on the site. Gave me a good excuse to use the new SpectroSearch (top left - on the Members page at least - and very good it is too.) Good, but quiet-of-late pal, Ian Chapman, mentioned "But I Don't Care", "I've Got My Own Thing Going" (My copy is a UK Polydor demo) and Dave Rich's "Last Two People On Earth". These are also my favourites of the tracks I know by you. If there was room on 'musica' I'm sure someone would play a track or two as a welcome and introduction to those that haven't heard any of your music. I do hope your message drags Ian out from the woodwork. He's a polite but probing questioner. I'm sure I'm not alone in relishing the chance to know more of your career. Best, Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:29:15 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: "Bend Me, Shape Me" zedboy wrote: > I just saw Sonny Geraci from The Outsiders, and he was great. He > did a bunch of covers, including Bend Me Shape Me. I know that was > The American Breed but I read somewhere that The Outsiders also had > a hit with it. Anybody remember that? I never heard it.] The American Breed's "Bend Me Shape Me" was a remake of a cut on the Outsiders' second album Outsiders #2, and that is Sonny's connection. The Outsiders had not released it as a single. It was written by Scott English ("Brandy" /"Mandy" and singer of the Pittsburgh monsterhit "High On A Hill") and Larry Weiss ("Rhinestone Cowboy", which became an anthem for WHN radio). Outsiders #2 had their hit "Respectable" as well as "Help Me Girl" another English/Weiss song which was released as a single at about the same time by both the Outsiders ans Eric Burdon and Animals and, as a result, was never as big as it could have been. Scott now lives in London, and Larry is here in Nashville. Ed Salamon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:55:16 -0000 From: Chris Subject: Re: more on Dean Reed I'd actually first heard about Dean Reed in the "American Rebel" documentary. What I found interesting was the fact that he got his start in 1959 at Capitol, which, despite "The Search," his first release, only reaching the fifties on Billboard, kept releasing several more singles until 1961. "Our Summer Romance" was my favorite of those. Teenpop with sort of a country yodel as the chorus -- Dean must have been a big fan of Frankie Laine. That song was apparently the one that got him a huge following in South America (I always wonder how some obscure US record that probably got little promotion from its label ends up being Number One in Argentina or someplace). Dean's 1964 "Don't Tell Him No", on the Odeon Pops label, is well worth finding a Freddie Cannon-style hard rocker with horns that combines "When the Saints Go Marching In" with "What'd I Say"! - Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:14:32 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Sandy (with a Y) Shaw In view of the conversation on German Vogue, I was wondering if anybody had any information on Sandy-with-a-Y Shaw. I have a 45 of her on Vogue DV 14283 called Einmal glucklich sein wie die andern c/w Ohne dich. The a-side is a German-sung version of Bacharach-David's Always something there to remind me. The label claims it's licensed from Pye and a bit of an accent also suggest Sandy is not German... Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:15:07 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Boom Records listing In response to overwhelming public demand : - BOOM RECORDS -------------------------------- dist. ABC 60000 THE SHEEP 01/66 Hide And Seek Twelve Months Later 60001 DEBRA SWISHER 02/66 You're So Good To Me Thank you And Good Night 60002 THE BABY DOLLS Now That I've Lost You I Will Do It 60003 LEE MERRILL The Boys From Madrid Banco, Banco 60004 TAMMY WAYNE 03/66 Have A Good Time Kiss Away 60005 TERRY CASHMAN AND THE MEN 04/66 Pretty Face Tell Me 60006 CAB CALLOWAY History Repeats Itself After Taxes 60007 THE SHEEP 05/66 I Feel Good Dynamite 60008 unissued ? 60009 SHEP GRANT 06/66 Goodnight Irene Animal Party 60010 unissued ? 60011 unissued ? 60012 DEAN PARRISH 06/66 Tell Her Fall On Me 60013 LEE MERRILL 08/66 The Green Hornet Theme Off The Wall 60014 THE LAST WORD 07/66 Bidin' My Time Hot Summer Days 60015 THE LIVE WIRES 07/66 Keep It To Myself The Mask 60016 DEAN PARRISH 10/66 Turn On Your Love Light Determination 60017 BOBBY HEBB Betty Jo From Ohio Sam Hall Jr. 60018 THE QUARTERNOTES Hey Little Girl I've Been Loved 60019 GARY AND THE LOVELITES My Heart Just Couldn't Take The Pain Shadow Of Your Love 60020 VITO AND THE SALUTATIONS I Want You To Be My Baby Bring Back Yesterday 60021 THE CONCORDS 10/66 Down The Aisle Of Love I Feel Love Comin' 60022 GILES STRANGE 12/66 Watch The People Dance You're Going Up To The Bottom 60038 DEAN PARRISH 12/66 Skate - Pt. 1 Skate - Pt. 2 The 60038 number for "Skate" isn't a typo - why they made such a jump in the numbers is one of those mysteries that haunt the dreams of discographers - were there ever any plans for 60023 through 60037 - and what were they ?? It's been said a few times that this label was owned by Feldman- Gottehrer-Goldstein because of their involvement in some of the releases - not so, the label was actually owned by the Rifkind brothers who would go on to set up the Spring label (Joe Simon, Millie Jackson, the Fatback Band and may great one-off soul records in the seventies) The Sheep have long been thought to be a pseudonymous Starngeloves project - however I've seen a promo photo of the Sheep so they were probbaly a real group although whether or not they actually play on their singles is another question entirely. Debbie Swisher was, if I remeber rightly, briefly lead for the Pixies Three and would go on to become lead for the Angels on RCA. The Cab Calloway single was a cover of the Buddy Starcher country hit. The Live Wires may have been a Feldman-Gotteherer-Goldstein studio concoction. Vito and the Salutations - one of the final record s by Brooklyn white doowoppers with a string of releases on Rayna, Kram, Herald, Wells, Red Boy, Sandbag, Apt, Regina and Rust. "I Want .." is the old Lillian Briggs song also recorded soon after by Ellie Greenwich as her first fir United Artists. The Concords - another group of white doowoppers - Mike Lewis of the group has been involved as a writer / producer on dozens of obscure and not-so-obscure records which are definitely Spectropop material. Dean Parrish - beloved of the Northern Soul fraternity, all his records are worth seeking out. My favourite is "Turn On Your Love Light" which would have given Mitch Ryder a run for his money. I've no idea where the Bobby Hebb tracks originate - possibly old demos issued to cash in on his success at Philips. Anybody knowe anything about Tammy Wayne, the Quarternotes and Gary and The Lovelites - all three seem to be one-shots. same goes for Shep Grant - he had an earlier single on Musicor but that's about all I know of him. Davie Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:25:49 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P. Mick Patrick: > I've posted a track to musica, "Optimistic" (RCA 47-7928, 1961); > not a Goffin/King number, but beautiful nonetheless, and an > excellent example of the countrypolitan style, of which Skeeter > and her producer, Chet Atkins, were pioneers. Now accompanied at musica by another track with another approach, her take on the Arthur Hamilton classic "Cry Me A River". Taken from a "standards" album, I first opted for the leadoff track "When I Fall In Love", but changed my mind in favor of the track I felt she was able to transform most into her style. Should not have had to be posted under these circumstances.... so sad. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:52:46 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Welcome, new member Claire Francis Claire Francis: > My name is Claire Francis. I was head of A&R for Polydor in London > for a few years in the sixties. While I was there, I recorded myself > as an artist. I recorded "But I Don't Care" and "I've Got My Own > Thing Going", for Polydor records in the 60's, along with several > other records... Martin Roberts: > Well how cool to see your message pop-up on the site... If there was > room on 'musica' I'm sure someone would play a track or two as a > welcome and introduction to those that haven't heard any of your > music. Say no more, Claire's masterpiece, "But I Don't Care", released on UK Polydor 56142 in 1967, is now playing at musica, S'pop's listening lounge. Just click here to hear it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pingel Subject: Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P. Other than "I Can't Stay Mad at You", she also recorded a few other Goffin-King gems; Let Me Get Close To You, Don't Let Me Stand In Your Way, and Easy To Love. Such a wonderful singer. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:28:52 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: They All Wanna Sound Like Dion Phil M; > Speaking of Dion, the recent thread here about Dean & Jean set me > to listening to their "Please Don't Tell Me Now," on vol. 2 of Ace's > "Laurie Records Story" series ( http://tinyurl.com/5lwqo ), and being > struck by how much, and how great, of a Dion cop it is. It'd make a > very worthy substitute should you find yourself in a Dion frame of > mind, but somehow with no actual Dion music at hand. (And wasn't > another title in the category of Dion soundalike mentioned here > recently?) Just since we're on the topic, I have a whole bootleg Cd of Dion sound- alikes called "So Why Did You Sing Like Me, Dion"?? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:29:57 -0700 From: Michael Godin Subject: Andy Kim Hi Fellow Spectropoppers, Thought you would be interested to know that Andy Kim was a guest on my show, Treasure Island Oldies, this week for 45 minutes. We played various hits of his and also talked about his career as a very successful writer, working with the Brill Building folks, including Jeff Barry. Played his new single, "I Forgot To Mention" co-written with Ed Robertson from the Barenaked Ladies. The show is archived and available for listening 24/7 at http://www.TreasureIslandOldies.com and clicking on Listen to latest show in Real Audio. The one hour feature is in the 2nd hour of the 4-hour show. Cheers. Michael Godin Treasure Island Oldies The Home of Lost Treasures http://www.TreasureIslandOldies.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:10:16 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Gillian Hills and Eight Feet Me: > ... and (Gillian Hills') well known short raunchy appearance in > Antonioni's "Blow Up" Al Kooper: > Not well known to me. What'd she do/play? I'm intrigued by the > adjective "raunchy"." Erm...well, the scene consisted of Miss Hills and Jane Birkin cavorting naked in front of a fashion photographer played by David Hemmings. I think they were seeking to become models. It was all about trendy 60s London, with some unlikely plot about a murder scene appearing dimly in the background of some outdoor photos. The Hills' scene was mentioned before recently by another member - but I can't find the entry. While conversing with you Al, (and mopping my steamed-up spectacles), can I ask about one of my all-time favourite records? You and Irwin Levine wrote and produced "Bobby's Come a Long, Long Way" which was recorded by a girl group called "Eight Feet" on Columbia 4-43505. You mentioned it in a posting in May in respnse to a request from member thirteen_eagle when you said you preferred the folksy flip "What Am I Without You?". Another great track but "Bobby" is an absolute classic girl-group record. Can you rember much about the recordings, the group & who they were, whether there were other tracks recorded, anything at all please? Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:41:07 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Re: Skeeter Davis, R.I.P. Thanks Mick and others for the sad news about the passing of Skeeter Davis. I'd like to recommend her autobiography "Bus Fare to Kentucky". Briefly, Skeeter had a very poor and tough rural upbringing and first achieved success as the junior half of the Davis Sisters with her friend Betty Jack Davis (Skeeter was really Mary Frances Penick). They had a hit with their version of "I Forgot more than You'll ever Know" in the early 50s, so Skeeter was quite a veteran. After a tragic car crash killed Betty Jack, she continued for a while with the latter's sister before going solo. The start of her career was very much driven by the bullying of Betty Jack's mother. The Bear Family collection "Memories - The Davis Sisters" is a comprehensive collection of her earliest material as part of a duo with excellent documentation. Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:28:45 +0100 From: Kevin Higham Subject: Introduction Just to introduce myself to the group. Kevin Higham, UK-based, listen to USA R&B, which in the UK is split Vocal Harmony, R&B, Soul, Northern Soul, Deep, Southern, Motown, etc., as well as Modern/Crossover. I also listen to Blues, Soulful Reggae, Bluebeat, oh and even some '50s and '60s Gospel, which seems had to get to hear! So "I have my ears wide open" and give most tunes a try. I prefer USA 45s myself, but have a growing number of CDs; all the LPs gone now, though. Hope to contribute if and when I can. Cheers, krh68 MotownDirect ~ Live a Life, Free and Easy Listen to Soul on http://www.live365.com/stations/krh68uk Visit the website www.raremusicdirect.co.uk -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: nuzzster Subject: Re: Gillian's Hills Phil M. wrote: > One of those two scenes was sped up, for comic effect, but now I > can't remember which one it was. It was "Clockwork Orange". Maybe they should have scored it with "Yakkety Sax" instead of the "William Tell" Overture ... Norm D. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:56:46 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: Del Shannon box set (some details) The Bear Family site lists the Del Shannon box at Eur 168,73, which may sound like a lot but works out to just 16,87 per disc, without calculating for the book. The exact release date is now listed as November 8. Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Remembering Jim Croce It's hard to believe that it's been thirty years since my friend Jim Croce went down in a plane crash. At the exact time of his passing, Patti Dahlstrom (who'd introduced me to him) and I were writing a song that we turned into a message to Jim, "Sending My Good Thoughts To You". You can click on http://artiewayne.com/sending.html and hear Patti's 20th Century recording. We're thinking about you. Regards, Artie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:49:46 -0000 From: Tom K White Subject: Re: Sandy (with a Y) Shaw It's the very same Sandie we know and love (?). I presume it's a misprint. (Could you post a scan of the label(s))? "Einmal Glucklich ..." is simply her UK hit recording of "Always Something There To Remind Me" with new German lyrics. It's featured on the compilation "Wiederhopf In Mai", a fairly comprehensive set of her German-language recordings. Does anyone know what either of those German titles means, by the way? :-) Tom K -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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