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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Steve Duboff & Artie Kornfeld
           From: Gary Myers 
      2. Re: Brian Wilson in NYC
           From: Susan 
      3. Re: Glen Campbell
           From: Robert 
      4. Bunker Hill article; Universal Soldier; Clemson r&b archive
           From: Country Paul 
      5. Re: Robin Ward's "Wonderful Summer"
           From: Jim Fisher 
      6. Ben Light
           From: Rex Strother 
      7. Auger/Driscoll
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Re: Sampling
           From: Stu Phillips 
      9. Gillian Hills / Evie Sands.
           From: Julio Niño 
     10. Billy Davis, R.I.P.
           From: Mick Patrick 
     11. Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
           From: James  Holvay 
     12. Re: Donald Leslie / sampling legal issues
           From: Various 
     13. Re: This year Christmas comes earlier
           From: Various 
     14. Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P.
           From: Mark Frumento 
     15. Re: The Frank Guida Sound
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     16. Re: Promo Men - David Anderle
           From: Jens Koch 
     17. Re: The Mouse Sleeps (Uneasy) Tonight
           From: Norm D. Plume 
     18. Re: Hide and Seek
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     19. Re: Laura's Ron Dante interview
           From: Eddy 
     20. Glen Campbell / The Cowsills
           From: Peter Lerner 
     21. Re: Kingmen's "Louie Louie"
           From: Mikey 
     22. Re: Gillian Hills
           From: Frank 
     23. Re: The Frank Guida Sound
           From: Frank 
     24. Me and Pat Benatar
           From: Ron Dante 
     25. Steve Duboff
           From: S'pop Projects 

Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:18:40 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Steve Duboff & Artie Kornfeld Bob Rashkow: > I believe Kornfeld & Duboff were responsible for The Toy Factory > (Jubilee)'s happy sunshine-popper "Sunny Sunny Feeling" ... This was actually the Next Five, another Milwaukee band covered in my book. Gary Myers / MusicGem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:25:05 EDT From: Susan Subject: Re: Brian Wilson in NYC Country Paul writes: > My wife and I got tickets for the Wednesday October 13 Brian Wilson > show at Carnegie Hall in NYC. Anyone else planning on hitting that > one? With apologies to the Jackson 5, I'll Be There. Susan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:26:20 -0000 From: Robert Subject: Re: Glen Campbell Previously: > Guess I'm Dumb is about as perfect as '60s pop gets. With an amazing > vocal by Glen, and production by Brian Wilson, this single should have > been a huge hit. > Apparently Glen has recorded a new version of Guess I'm Dumb > > - as to whether Brian Wilson's services were required again ... I > doubt it or we would have heard about it. I sound sampled that CD through another outlet and they're all original recordings. Tower's info is wrong. And what I said was I wish Brian Wilson would have produced a whole album for Glen. We all know that didn't happen. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:44:56 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Bunker Hill article; Universal Soldier; Clemson r&b archive Phil Milstein: > For more on Bunker Hill have a look at: > It got the site to open for me tonight - what an article! (There's something about a Finnish guy trying to write "jive"....) Great info and some neat pix. Ken Silverwood: > Don't forget Glen's version of "Universal Soldier", did he do his > before Donovan? Am I right in thinking it was composed by Buffy > St Marie as I don't have a 45 of it? I think Donovan's came first. His single version of it was the follow- up to "Catch The Wind," released in the US on Hickory. Buffy Sainte Marie was indeed the song's author. I mentioned in relation to "Jambo" by Claude Mclin. Davie added: > That's a small part of an incredible site devoted to fifties R&B - > incredibly detailed stuff from some of the best researchers around. Indeed! Leaving off from "mclin" afterward gets you to an amazing site! And S'pop's own Gary Myers is also cited in the article on Aristrocrat Records, the forerunner of Chess, which I just got lost in for the past 40 minutes. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:50:54 -0700 From: Jim Fisher Subject: Re: Robin Ward's "Wonderful Summer" Re: Wonderful Summer. Thanks to some help from Spectropoppers I've got my copy of Robin Ward's classic--great. ..and by strange coincidence two days after I received it I stopped at a garage sale and the lady had a box of old records..a bunch of pretty ratty LPs AND a few 45s--one of them being: yep, a Dot pressing--45-16530 MB18348 of WS! It also has "9-63" printed just below the credits---is this the release date? With the original Dot paper sleeve. Life Imitates Art or something like that. Backed with "Dream Boy". It evens plays pretty well. Paul Urbahn asked about the stereo/mono issue..this copy doesn't actually say stereo or mono on the disk, it's got "Ultra High Fidelty" across the top, but I think it's mono (my 45 player is staggeringly horrible with one built- in speaker) and it does have the surf sounds. The 45s were 25cents a piece so I splurged and bought them all, the others being Glen Campbell/Bobby Freeman and Dick & Deedee...they're now free for the taking by any listers to thank for the tips on getting WS. Best, Jim. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:52:39 -0600 From: Rex Strother Subject: Ben Light I'm doing some research on Ben Light, an instrumental pianist who did "party records" in the late 30s, then seems to have wound up on the Tempo label, and then on to Capitol where he had a number of records and a few LPs. Does anyone have any bio, photos, discography, that they could send me (offlist)? I'd really appreciate it. I know this is out of the date range, but you guys are the s**t when it comes to detail. I'm hoping someone here has an odd "Jones" for Ben Light. Rex Strother -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:47:10 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Auger/Driscoll Me: > ... the famous Brian Auger-Julie Driscoll album ... > But ... which one?  Open?  Streetnoise?  Jools and Brian (later > retitled If Your Memory Serves You Well -- one of the tracks was > Dylan's Wheels on Fire)?  There's a world of difference -- they > cover the gamut from sublime to awful. When I was in England buying those LPs, every shop on Carnaby Street and every boutique on Kings Road was playing that record. It had Season Of The Witch on it (that's where I got it from) and Wheels On Fire. It was 1968. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:54:53 -0000 From: Stu Phillips Subject: Re: Sampling To follow up on Phil Milstein's post about sampling, I can add one other aspect. Having had my music (Knight Rider... Battlestar Galactica) sampled by the likes of Busta Rhymes... Timbaland & Magoo... Panjabi MC with Jay-Z and The Beastie Boys, three of those hit records, I can add this. All of these were properly licensed but, on two of those records, three to four additional writers were added to the credits of Stu Phillips and Glen Larson. In other words, they made the split of the writing credits 6 ways instead of perhaps three. It is not unusual for groups to put everyone's name on a song so that peace and harmony can reign within the group. However, when you use someone else's piece of music, you might think that would avoid this. Oh well... c'est la vie. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:52:47 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: Gillian Hills / Evie Sands. Hola Everybody. Will Stos wrote: > ... But "Tomorrow Is Another Day," by Gillian Hills, absolutely makes > me melt! I think she has such a beautiful voice. Is this track a good > representation of her other recordings, and can anyone recommend a > collection of her songs on CD or any other good comps with her songs? Will, There is a very interesting compilation of Gillian Hills issued by the French label "Magic records". It's avaliable at: I'm enjoying the first signs of autumn, playing with my cats and listening to Evie Sands' "Picture Me Gone" , which I've just discovered. I like very much Madeline Bell's version , but Evie's is unsurpassable, she has a rare intensity in her voice, listening to her almost leaves me breathless. Maybe I'm too impressionable these days, because the light in Madrid is suddenly smoother and boys and girls in the streets look irresistible, like some kind of depredatory fruit. Chao. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:01:23 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Billy Davis, R.I.P. Sad news; songwriter/producer Billy Davis, sometimes known as Roquel Davis and Tyran Carlo, has died. Born in Detroit, he was at Berry Gordy’s side in the very early days of Motown, and before, writing songs like "Reet Petite", "Lonely Teardrops" and many others for Jackie Wilson. Moving on, in the 1960s, he was largely responsible for transforming Chess Records from a blues label into forerunners in the world of soul, producing classics like "Rescue Me" for Fontella Bass, among dozens of others for many of the great stars of Chess like Etta James. Billy Davis was one of the greats. He was 72. He was very prolific. For a complete list of the songs he wrote, visit the websites of BMI: and ASCAP: Note that there are many songwriters of the same name, so to ensure you get the right one, search for Davis Roquel. I'd be interested to learn of other S'poppers favourites from his massive body of work, or any interesting stories from anyone who might have worked with him. Hey la, Mick Patrick (If anyone chooses "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing", so help me I'll, I'll, I'll . . . ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:08:53 -0700 From: James Holvay Subject: Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P. Mick Patrick on the passing of Billy Davis: > I'd be interested to learn of other S'poppers favourites from > his massive body of work, or any interesting stories from > anyone who might have worked with him. I played guitar on a few sessions with Billy as the producer. He was a perfect gentleman and a "master" in the studio. We were young musicians in Chicago, trying to make soul music and he was God to us. It was his vision, talent and direction that transitioned Chess from the 50's (Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters era) into 60's Windy City Soul. It too was a very sad day when Billy left to pursue a career in advertising. Chess never recovered. James Holvay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:23:19 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: Donald Leslie / sampling legal issues Some compiled responses: -------------------- Gary Myers wrote: > Donald Leslie, the inventor of the Leslie speaker has died at age 93. > I think one of the most effective uses of the Leslie on record is on > the Rascals' "I've Been Lonely Too Long." James Holvay: True but how 'bout every MG instrumental that Booker "T" played on. -------------------- Austin Roberts: And a couple of Tommy James' records, and I think on Itchycoo Park. -------------------- -------------------- from "Disney May Sell Trademarks Over Suit": > The song has been covered by at least 150 artists, including The > Tokens, George Michael, Miriam Makeba and The Spinners. Fred Clemens: Having researched the song for over six years now, I can personally vouch for well over 200 versions. I've never heard of the George Michael one, though. Also, to clarify, the Spinners group mentioned is not the popular US R&B group, but rather a mid-'60s folk group out of the UK. For more, see -------------------- Bob Rashkow: Interesting that the article about the Solomon Linda lawsuit over "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" does not mention Robert John aka Bobby Pedrick, the only artist to get the song back into the Top 10 with his synthesized version of the Tokens' classic in '72 (unless you count the version from The Lion King). -------------------- Rashkovsky: > "Our answer to that question is in the negative," the court said. > "Get a license or do not sample. We do not see this as stifling > creativity in any significant way." Wise decision. -------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:47:44 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: This year Christmas comes earlier Frank Jastfelder had asked for label details on a few songs he's working with. Some results of his inquiry: -------------------- The Ventures: Sleigh Ride (Parish/Anderson) The 45 on Dolton 312 reads: Producer: Joe Saraceno and credits "Sleigh Ride" as being written by Leroy Anderson only. No arranger is listed. The 45 is stated to be from the Dolton LP "The Christmas Album" (BLP-2038). M. G. Still -------------------- The Pixies Three: Cold Cold Winter Composer: John Madara & David White Produced by: John Madara & David White The Ventures: Sleigh Ride Produced by: Joe Saraceno Engineer: Eddie Brackett Thirteen Eagle -------------------- The Ventures: Sleigh Ride The reissue LP (Liberty LM-1069) credits producer Joe Saraceno, but no arranger. Charles Ulrich -------------------- The Pixies Three: Cold Cold Winter Here is the info from my 45: Cold Cold Winter J. Madara - D. White Mercury 77208X-A No publishing or producer info on my copy of the 45. By the way, the B-side was "442 Glenwood Avenue" -- same writers. Michael Godin --------------------- > The Pixies Three > Cold Cold Winter > Composer: > Arranged by > Produced by > (P) 1963 > ( I'm sure someone has to have the single) I dont have the 45, heres the information from the "Growin' Up Too Fast" comp: An MWB Production Produced by Johnny Madara and David White No arranger listed > The Ventures > Sleigh Ride > (Parish/Anderson) > Arranged by ??? > Produced by ??? > (P) 1965 Dolton Records > (I'm really not sure if the Ventures used an arranger at all) Joe Saraceno - Producer No arranger listed. Don Wilson has mentioned in interviews the band did thier own arrangements. Hope this helps you out! Billy G. Spradlin ------------------------ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:21:25 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Billy Davis, R.I.P. Mick Patrick wrote: > Sad news; songwriter/producer Billy Davis, sometimes known as > Roquel Davis and Tyran Carlo, has died. Really sad. Around 1982 I met him in NYC at the ad agency he worked for (or owned?). I was in a music class where we learned about, wrote and recorded jingles. Davis was an incredibly animated and gracious host, given that we were a bunch of know-nothing music students - writing pretty awful stuff. He shared all kinds of interesting stories and secrets. Much as I can't remember everything he said, I've never forgotten meeting him and have never forgotten how kind he was to people he didn't know at all. Mark F. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:50:14 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: The Frank Guida Sound Austin Roberts on the Frank Guida Sound: > ... we all concurred that none of us knew exactly how Guida did it > but we're all glad he did! They were in thye studio with him all > the time and were still perplexed. Maybe it wasn't intentional. I did stuff that sounded that way because I was incompetent. Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:50:30 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: Promo Men - David Anderle Al Kooper wrote: > When I was in The Blues Project, the guy who took me to the doctor > for a penicillin shot in LA was promo guy David Anderle, later with > Brother Records, Elektra and finally A&M. We're STILL friends. It would be interesting to hear his views on the new Smile, considering everything he had to say about the old one ... Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm D. Plume Subject: Re: The Mouse Sleeps (Uneasy) Tonight Previously: > CAPE TOWN, South Africa (AP) -- Disney Enterprises may have to sell > its trademarks in South Africa to pay for damages if a poor family > wins a lawsuit claiming it lost millions in royalties from the hit > song "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." I saw a most interesting TV documentary a year or so back about the history of this song and the rather sordid treatment of the original South African writer, Solomon Linda and his descendants. The film featured The Weavers, who first popularised the song (and, I think, attributed it as "trad - arr. by") and, of course, The Tokens, whose management appeared to offer very little concession. Can any UK S'Popper remember the details of this film (it may have been shown in the USA and elsewhere) - it's well worth checking out if available. The first recording of this song from the '30s, is a lovely piece of harmony singing, and a gorgeous tune that deserved to be heard across the world. Shame, though, about the circumstances. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:43:02 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Hide and Seek Ed B: > While on the subject of Bunker Hill let's not forget the remake a > few years later in 1966 by The Sheep (Strangeloves) on Boom Records, > another muddy frantic recording of Hide and Seek. WQAM disc jockey Roby Yonge said he was only offered payola once -- $100 to play "Hide And Seek". He told me he listened to the record, and refused to accept it. Unfortunately I don't know who the promo guy was. I sure miss Roby. We have some tributes to him here: Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:44:20 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Laura's Ron Dante interview Bob Rashkow: > I didn't even know he produced some of Pat Benatar's stuff. Did he > work on "Love Is A Battlefield"? (About as good as she gets IMHO) Actually, I'd like to get some details on that as well. I believe a version of the Roy Orbison classic "Cryin" was recorded, but I'd love to hear the whole story. Ron... over to you ! Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:25:04 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Glen Campbell / The Cowsills Most of the Cowsill talk has been about John, and I don't think anyone has mentioned the superb vocal contributions of Susan Cowsill to the work of the Continental Drifters, particularly their lovely album of Fairport Convention / Sandy Denny covers. A great and distinctive voice. And am I also the first to talk about Glen Campbell's session work in '62/63, working with Jackie DeShannon, Sharon Sheeley, Leon Russell, P.J. Proby and many others on some superb demos, both as guitarist and vocalist - check out the RPM CD "Sharon Sheeley: Songwriter" and the Jackie DeShannon Appreciation Society website for more info. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:37:23 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Kingmen's "Louie Louie" Eric, your story does not ring consistent with known facts. All the true evidence points to the theory that Louie louie was recorded in stages, bouncing from mono machine to mono machine. Why? Because Producer Tom Moulton obtained DAT copies of the mono stages. The wild guitar solo and the organ riff done throughout the song were overdubs. That's why each stage is missing one element, that element had not been added to the basic track yet. Tom was able to sync the three tapes into the stereo mix that's been floating around the last few years. He did an amazing job, but then again, he always does. Since Tom had stage tapes, it is extremely unlikely that this song was done on multitrack. As happens VERY often in the hit records game, people forget things. That multitrack tape that supposedly belonged to Mike Korgan was probably later recordings of The Kingsmen, or, it could have had a mono dub of "Louie Louie" on one of the tracks as a safety, or it could have been an alternate, later recording of the tune that they did because they weren't happy with the first one, .....a million things are possible. But fact is that Tom Moulton has stage tapes of the hit 45 version pretty much proves it was done in stages, mono to mono, as were hundreds of Hit recordings from that 1963 time period. Mikey, Tape historian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:28:31 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Gillian Hills Will Stos: > I just got "Dream Babes, Vol. 5: Folk Rock and Faithfull," and I love > it. But "Tomorrow Is Another Day," by Gillian Hills, absolutely makes > me melt! I think she has such a beautiful voice. Is this track a good > representation of her other recordings, and can anyone recommend a > collection of her songs on CD or any other good comps with her songs? She did make a few recordings, even some in French but if this track makes you melt, be careful if you stumble on some pictures of her !!! Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:24:17 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: The Frank Guida Sound Previously: > That said, whatever the secret it sadly dated the recordings. Whether > it created the sound that made the hits or not, you don't get hits > today by making the record sound like the instruments were in one > room and the microphones in another when they were recorded. > Dated they may sound, but you know that sound when you hear it and I > know Quarter To Three is one of the most played songs on oldies > stations today. I always thought that the "dated" notion was one of the most debatable one. It's just as if somebody declared that Shakespeare is dated. It's an idea totally irrelevant. There's no such thing as dated were creation is concerned. You either replace it in its context or forget it altogether. Frank Guida's sound was a major achievement when it came about, same as Spector's production. You may not like them but they surely can't be referred to as dated. As far as I'm concerned Guida's sound was just great and I'd still listen everyday to Quarter To Three or any Gary US Bonds tracks than most of the so called up to date sound. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:07:23 -0000 From: Ron Dante Subject: Me and Pat Benatar Bob Rashkow wrote: > Got a chance to check out Laura P's Ron Dante interview. Great! > Aren't we all so happy Ron is on the group. What's more he just > keeps on going. I didn't even know he produced some of Pat > Benatar's stuff. Did he work on "Love Is A Battlefield"? Bob, I didn't get to work on Battlefield for Pat but I did like working with her. Really good singer and person. All the best buddy, R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:03:20 +0100 From: S'pop Projects Subject: Steve Duboff Dear Members, We require a photograph of songwriter-producer Steve Duboff for the S'pop Remembers section. Can you help? If so, please reply to this message and one of the Team will get back to you. Thanks in advance. S'pop Project Dept. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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