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Spectropop - Digest Number 1612



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: "Just That Kind Of Guy" in musica
           From: thirteen_eagle 
      2. Re: Goldmine
           From: Al Kooper 
      3. Re: "San Francisco"
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Re: Gene Toone
           From: Steve Bonilla 
      5. Marcie Blane in Goldmine
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Re: The Hobbits
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
      7. Re: Marcie Blane in Goldmine
           From: Dennis Diken 
      8. Re: Rev-Ola sound
           From: John Berg 
      9. Re: Rev-Ola Sound
           From: superoldies 
     10. Comments on musica
           From: Country Paul 
     11. In The Cold Light Of Day
           From: Austin Roberts 
     12. Re: Just Four Men
           From: Gary Mollica 
     13. Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     14. Re: In The Cold Light Of Day
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     15. Re: not the Four Just Men!
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     16. Louiefest 8/28/04
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
     17. Re: Comments on musica
           From: Tom K. 
     18. Elmer Bernstein / Hobbits
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     19. WOW! Brian Wilson on Larry King
           From: Rob 
     20. Re: Re:Rev-Ola Sound
           From: Rob 
     21. Re: Scott McKenzie
           From: Rob 
     22. Re: Rev-Ola Sound
           From: Joe Nelson 
     23. Re: The Sandpipers
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     24. Re: The Hobbits
           From: Orion 
     25. Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real
           From: Clark Besch 


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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:21:03 -0000 From: thirteen_eagle Subject: Re: "Just That Kind Of Guy" in musica David A. Young wrote: > I'd like to join Julio in expressing my appreciation to Clark for > sharing the P.F. Sloan gem currently in rotation in the listening > lounge. I second that - it ranks right up there with Bruce & Terry's "Here Comes Summer" and Jackie DeShannon's "Blue Ribbons" demos. Of course it took Cher to actually release "You Better Sit Down Kids"... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:54:10 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Goldmine Ed Salamon on Goldmine magazine: > I've seen this many times: the attempt to be bigger and younger > with the resultant loss of the core audience and subsequent > implosion. Somehow, Rolling Stone survives... But we all moved to MOJO. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: "San Francisco" Mark Hill wrote: > Has the "original" version of "San Francisco" with The Mamas & The > Papas ever been released? Does it still exist? That would be a good > extra track for the upcoming 4-CD box set. Sure would! If the vocals by the M and Ps haven't been totally wiped out I'm sure it will be on the box. Did John have that foresight, ah there's the rub! Austin Roberts wrote: > Also, Like An Old Time Movie! Yeah, another cool one. I still have the video for it from Musikbeat or some such German show which I taped off of Nightflight back in the 80s. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:14:12 -0700 From: Steve Bonilla Subject: Re: Gene Toone Phil M. asked: > What is the identity of Gene Toone, who (with "The Blazers") > recorded "You're My Baby" / "Jose" for Phil Spector's brief-lived > Annette label in 1964. Gene is from New York. He gave up the first part of his music career to raise his children as a single parent. Said to have infuenced many singers such as Wilson Pickett and Millie Jackson. Went into Gospel music and made some self-released records. Has a tremendous falsetto. Gene's son, Earl Toon, was in Kool & the Gang. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:24:24 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Marcie Blane in Goldmine Over the years I seem to have accumulated a pile of Discoveries and Goldmine magazines that is taller than I am. That's quite a few. A shrimp I ain't. Of course, they're filed in a rather random fashion. Truth be told, they whiff a bit too. I just went through the whole lot only to discover that I don't have the one I was searching for. I urgently need to read the Marcie Blane interview featured in the December 30, 1988 issue of Goldmine. Can anyone please assist with a xerox copy, or something? Who knows, maybe there are other Marcie Blane magazine articles out there too? Anyone? All together now . . . "You're not a kid anymore". Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:13:03 -0400 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: The Hobbits Phil M.: > Anyone know anything of a group called The Hobbits? They seem to have > had a pair of 45s ("Daffodil Days" / "Sunny Girl" and "Pretty Young > Thing" / "Strawberry >Children") for Decca c.1967 or '68, but that is > all I've been able to turn up on them. Have these records been comped > at all? The lead Hobbitt was Jimmy Curtiss, the guy who cut the cult classic 45 "Psychedelic Situation" on Laurie 3383. Curtiss, who goes back to a doo wop group called The Enjays, also recorded under aliases such as The Sweet Bippies (on A&M) and Changing Colours. Hobbits appearances on comps can be found here: http://www.soybomb.com/garage-comps/classic/index.php?bandid=1844 Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:50:34 -0400 From: Dennis Diken Subject: Re: Marcie Blane in Goldmine Mick Patrick: > Over the years I seem to have accumulated a pile of Discoveries > and Goldmine magazines that is taller than I am. That's quite a > few. A shrimp I ain't. Of course, they're filed in a rather random > fashion. Truth be told, they whiff a bit too. I just went through > the whole lot only to discover that I don't have the one I was > searching for. I urgently need to read the Marcie Blane interview > featured in the December 30, 1988 issue of Goldmine. Can anyone > please assist with a xerox copy, or something? Who knows, maybe > there are other Marcie Blane magazine articles out there too? > Anyone? All together now . . . "You're not a kid anymore". I too would love to read the Marcie Blane piece. Not urgently, but indeed I would dig it! Dennis Diken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:44:00 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: Rev-Ola sound I cannot say for sure what original audio sources Rev-Ola uses for its releases, but I know from my involvement on several projects (Them and others still underway) that they try to locate actual masters to work from. But as you may know, master tapes sometimes have "gone missing" or deteriorated to the point of being unusable. In that case, one would normally work from a mint condition vinyl copy. The Sunshine Company CD sounds like an aberration, but does make one wonder what happened in that case. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:56 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Sound For small labels like this I usually ask about each purchase ahead of time as it seems to be varying these days. If it's of poor quality I return it - word eventually gets back to the producer that this is not what buyers want. I got "Blades Of Grass" on Rev-Ola & it is off master tapes, so I guess it varies release to release. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Comments on musica Still far behind, but I've been listening to musica a bit.... The Roemans' "When The Sun Shines In The Mornin'" is really nice! It could be up there with "Your Friend" in my book - maybe beyond. Did they ever get an album out? (Or has that been covered in some of the posts I haven't yet read?) The Ravin' Image's "Echoes" has some great vocal work - but by 1969, they knew how to mike and mix drums better. In fact, the whole record has a sort of dry sound instrumentally that works against the vocals. Too bad - that could have made a big difference in its hit status, IMO. P. F. Sloan, "Just That Kind of Guy," - a really nice song; too bad it never came out. Happy weekend! Thanks for the new tunes! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:04:35 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: In The Cold Light Of Day Pres: > All the talk of Gene Pitney reminded me of a Pitney 45 that my mom had > when I was a wee one: "In The Cold Light Of Day". Odd that she would > have it, since she was a true top 40 gal and it was not a hit... The Cold Light Of Day was a pretty big hit for Pitney in much of the southeast. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Mollica Subject: Re: Just Four Men The Four Just Men stuff was out legit on The Wimple Winch Story 1963- 1968 on BamCaruso. I have a bootleg with the complete recordings called Wimple Winch-The Psychedelic Years 1966-1968 (which actually also includes '64-65 sides)- here's the tracklist: Marmalade Hair FROM UNRELEASED LP Typical British Workmanship B-SIDE 3rd (of 3) 45s - '66 UNRELEASED WIMPLE WINCH LP '68 Coloured Glass Lollipop Mindy Three Little Teddy Bears You're A Big Girl Now Bluebell Wood Those Who Wait The Last Hooray WIMPLE WINCH SINGLES - ALL '66 What's Been Done A-SIDE 1ST 45 Save My Soul A-SIDE 2ND 45 Everybody's Worried About Tomorrow B-SIDE 2ND 45 I Really Love You B-SIDE 1ST 45 Rumble On Mersey Square South A-SIDE 3RD 45 Atmospheres WITHDRAWN B-SIDE 3RD 45 FOUR JUST MEN/JUST FOUR MEN 45 '64 Things Will Never Be The Same That's My Baby 2nd JUST FOUR MEN 45 '65 There's Not One Thing Don't Come Any Closer UNRELEASED JUST FOUR MEN '65 Half Past Five Tomorrow Woman Needs A Man Just Can't Make Up My Mind Thinking About Your Love Shelter Of Your Love FROM UNRELEASED JUST FOUR MEN LP Sorry Girl I Still Care Ad-Ventures Aggravation Colours ALl the best Gary Mollica Pasadena CA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:30:33 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real Brian Wilson, with his wife Melinda, is scheduled to appear on Larry King's talk show tonight, this time (hopefully) for real. It's on CNN at 9p eastern, and repeats three hours later. Since ads have begun appearing here for his U.S. Smile tour, and with yesterday's announcement of the upcoming Showtime documentary on the mythical album, I assume all things Smile will be the promotional focus of the interview. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:14:16 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: In The Cold Light Of Day Austin Roberts: > The Cold Light Of Day was a pretty big hit for Gene Pitney in > much of the southeast. And I'm damn sure I've heard it on "Bob Pantano's Saturday Night Dance Party" here in Philadelphia! Also, it was a top 40 hit in the UK. Oddly constructed song if you ask me, and kind of a tentative vocal performance from Gene. Good arrangement, though, by Artie Butler if I remember correctly. Pres, there are other Gene Pitney CDs that have that track as well: Varese Sarabande's "More Greatest Hits" and Sequel's two-fer "Young and Warm and Wonderful/Just One Smile" definitely have it, and I would bet that Sequel's "Looking Through Gene Pitney: The Ultimate Collection" has it also, but I don't have that one so I can't say for sure. (How many times did I use the verb "to have" in that paragraph? And they let me graduate from college!) S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:07:00 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: not the Four Just Men! Frank Young: > ... before metamorphosing into Wimple Winch, for three viciously > rare UK-only Fontana 45s. At least the rockin' "Save My Soul" is available on Rhino's "Nuggets II" box set, which is not viciously rare.... I think some of their stuff might have been anthologized on those oddball freakbeat comps, but I don't know which ones for sure. S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:23:51 -0600 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Louiefest 8/28/04 Dear Group, For all those who live in the Seattle thru Portland area: As many of you no doubt know, I portrayed George Harrison in the Original Cast of the Hit Broadway Show: "Beatlemania." I thought you'd like to know that I'll be performing as "George Harrison" at Louiefest in Tacoma at the Tacoma dome on Saturday August 28, 2004. I'm starring in a show there with other tribute acts. In addition, on Sunday August 29th, 1000 guitars will be going into the Guiness Book of World Records for playing under the baton of Paul Revere. We'll ALL be playing "Louie Louie" in UNISON. Yes, it is a STRANGE world.... I'll also be selling my NEW George tribute CD "Here Comes The Sun" at the show which will be released nationally very soon. The CD song lineup includes: Here Comes The Sun While My Guitar Gently Weeps Awaiting On You All You Isn't It A Pity? Bangla Desh My Sweet Lord It features a guest appearance by Richie Furay (Poco and Buffalo Springfield) and Lon Van Eaton (former Apple Recording Artist who George produced. Lon sang the backgrounds on "Photograph" BTW). I thought I'd pass it along. Regards, Les Fradkin http://www.lesfradkin.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:09:54 -0000 From: Tom K. Subject: Re: Comments on musica Country Paul wrote: > P. F. Sloan, "Just That Kind of Guy," - a really nice song; too > bad it never came out. I love it too. I played it to one of my friends recently and he was almost in tears... Tom K -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:41:22 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Elmer Bernstein / Hobbits Elmer Bernstein's Marvelous Movie Music is (hopefully) timeless. RIP--a great composer from the Golden Age of Hollywood. Phil M, JFTR The Hobbits did 2 LPs for Decca, Down To Middle Earth and Men And Doors (both in 1968 I think), and there was talk on the group a year or so back that they had a 3rd LP that is either extremely rare or only available on demo tapes. Both LPs are great sunshine pop, the second somewhat more philosophical in its lyrics than the first but no less exciting. Jimmy Curtiss penned for and produced lots of great groups in the late 60s including the supergreat Bag, who also benefited from the pen of Marcia Hillman. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:25:31 -0000 From: Rob Subject: WOW! Brian Wilson on Larry King That was a pretty amazing hour, and I'm not even a huge fan, but I literally had goosebumps by the end. He's just so real and painfully honest, it's refreshing. Wonder if he's always that way? Makes you wish you had a tenth of his inspiration and talent. And SMILE is finally finished and being released. Hope it won't be too tinkered with in a modern way and will still sound "of the time" it's from. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:36:42 -0000 From: Rob Subject: Re: Re:Rev-Ola Sound I have the Mark Eric cd on Rev-Ola, "A Midsummer's Daydream", and besides being a thoroughly enjoyable LP with bonus tracks, the sound is extremely good. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:59:33 -0000 From: Rob Subject: Re: Scott McKenzie Yes, "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO" is on Stained Glass Reflections, a 2001 Scott comp CD from Raven Records. This comp contains his entire 1970 LP, Stained Glass Morning, which is a true GEM! Scott was so much more than just "San Francisco". One line from "Like An Old Time Movie" is stuck in my head permanently....I'm gonna let you go every time I see you...........His "There Stands The Glass" isn't on CD. Anyone have a copy of that for Musica? Great song. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:38:39 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Rev-Ola Sound I know that when I spoke with Steve Stanley about Rev-Ola's Forum CD he said that it was all from the original tapes, in fact it's all the tapes they could find (does this mean the mono LP master is extinct?). He didn't say if they found any discs or acetates of additional material, but if they did they weren't used. The first thing I noticed was that the mono tracks were in a strange reverb-based fake stereo. When I OOPSed the Mira version of "The River Is Wide" to figure out how they did this, there was distinct vinyl crackling left over where it was in one stereo channel or another (but not both) at the time the dub was made. I'm assuming the dub was from a mono disc rather than the stereo LP (the LP was rechanneled on that track, but it was common highs-on-one-channel-lows-on-the-other variation we've all come to hate.) Your guess is as good as mine. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:33:20 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: The Sandpipers S'pop Projects wrote: > All Over But The Crying: The Sandpipers Story > by Jeff Lemlich > http://www.spectropop.com/Sandpipers/index.htm What a great story. Superb research, excellent writing, terrific illos, appealing layout ... and their story carries so much of its own built-in drama. Those ladies sound like they had a really great attitude, and their music speaks for itself -- when it can be found, that is. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:35:23 -0500 From: Orion Subject: Re: The Hobbits The Hobbits also put out two LPs. I have both of them converted from LP to CD-R. They are really pretty good listening, but I am sure they don't fall into Spectropop. That said, send me your snail mail addy if you would like to hear a couple of their songs. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:24:02 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Brian Wilson on Larry King tonight ... for real Phil X Milstein wrote: > Brian Wilson, with his wife Melinda, is scheduled to appear on Larry > King's talk show tonight, this time (hopefully) for real. It's on > CNN at 9p eastern, and repeats three hours later. Since ads have > begun appearing here for his U.S. Smile tour, and with yesterday's > announcement of the upcoming Showtime documentary on the mythical > album, I assume all things Smile will be the promotional focus of the > interview. I watched this show and I liked Brian ok. His wife butted in sometimes when it was unnecessary, but occasionally added a little. She gave it to Landy, which is mostly old news that didn't need 15 minutes of talk during this show. What was really bad was Larry. "you were a...... Beach Boy? Explain what that is?" That's not what he said, but close. "That must have been a thrill to work with Paul McCartney!" That he DID say. Maybe it was a thrill for Paul? He seemed to have no clue as to what the Beach Boys were about at all. Does anyone clue him in on his guests he doesn't know of? "did you ever meet the Rat Pack?" No he didn't say this, but I thought he would. "You say you hear voices 'I'm Gonna Kill You'? Does this have something to do with your song 'Dead Man's Curve'?" Naw he didn't say this, but he almost did. Brian had nothing to do with it, but between Larry and Brian's wife, I am depressed......Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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