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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Robert John / Bobby (Pedrick, Jr.) & the Consoles
           From: Austin Roberts 
      2. Re: Sie Liebt Dich
           From: Mike Page 
      3. Dionne Warwick
           From: Norm D. Plume 
      4. Re: Beatles recordings abroad
           From: Lloyd Davis 
      5. Re: Beach Music
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: Don Thomas / Dave Berry / Sex Pistols
           From: Joe Foster 
      7. Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas??
           From: Ian Slater 
      8. Re: Diamond Records Masters
           From: Tom 
      9. Re:Beach Music
           From: Howard Earnshaw 
     10. Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     11. Re: Beach Music
           From: Mikey 
     12. Brill Bldg. inquiry
           From: XmidX 
     13. "Too Young To Be A Widow"
           From: Andrew C Jones 
     14. Re: Sonny Curtis / 4-track Stax / Where Were You
           From: Al Kooper 
     15. Blonde On Blonde bash / Diamond masters / pirate air
           From: Al Kooper 
     16. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Joe Nelson 
     17. Re: Don Thomas
           From: Ed B 
     18. As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
           From: max weiner 
     19. Re: Robert John / Bobby (Pedrick, Jr.) & The Consoles
           From: Fred Clemens 
     20. Re: Beach Music / The Embers
           From: Steve Jarrell 
     21. Dobie Gray on White Whale
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. Re: Don (& Jean) Thomas
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     23. Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern
           From: Clark Besch 
     24. Re: Blonde On Blonde bash
           From: Austin Roberts 
     25. Crow
           From: Gary Myers 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:33 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Robert John / Bobby (Pedrick, Jr.) & the Consoles Hi Fred, I think Bobby Pedrick's (pre Robert John) first single of any consequence, and Al, you can correct me on this, was White Bucks or White Buck Shoes or something like that, when he was 13. Austin (wouldn't be caught dead in White Buck Shoes) Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:14:24 +0100 From: Mike Page Subject: Re: Sie Liebt Dich Eddy wrote: > Except for its appearance on the Swan 45, Sie liebt dich remained > unreleased in both UK and USA until the Rarities LP's. Steve Harvey: > Not quite, it's on Past Masters Vol. 1. Eddy: > Past Masters appeared AFTER the Rarities LP's, didn't it... (1979/ > 1980 vs 1988). Yes it did. The rarities album was originally released as part of a boxed set of all of the Beatles albums, and then as a separate issue. Past Masters was one of the CD releases of Beatles material. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm D. Plume Subject: Dionne Warwick Bill George wrote: > And from what I hear, Dionne (Warwick) can't sing anymore. Pity. Well, she was singing very well in London (Croydon) two weeks ago. Frank Murphy posted a link last week to a review in The UK Guardian. The usually hard newspaper critic gave her five stars. Here's the link again: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,,1275329,00.html complete with photo. Wish I'd gone. Norm D. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:59:43 -0400 From: Lloyd Davis Subject: Re: Beatles recordings abroad Eddy wrote: > No it didn't. Only Komm gib mir deine Hand is on that album. I stand corrected. I somehow missed several words in this line from the Spizer article I referenced previously: "Although Capitol helped bury 'Sie Liebt Dich,' it later featured 'Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand' on its 'Something New' LP, which was released on July 20." Sorry for the error. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:34:51 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Beach Music Phil X Milstein wrote: > The most ubiquitous, and thus perhaps most popular, Beach song > seems to be Clifford Curry's "She Shot A Whole In My Soul." > Listen to these three in one sitting and, in my opinion, you'll > about have it. If you're still unsure, listen to the ultimate Beach anthem; The Embers "I Love Beach Music". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:58:08 +0100 From: Joe Foster Subject: Re: Don Thomas / Dave Berry / Sex Pistols Mick Patrick: > Anyway, back to Don Thomas, the brother of Jean of the Rag Dolls/ > Les Girls. A year or so ago, S'popper Ian Slater turned up a few > songwriter demo acetates, one of which, although no performer was > credited on the label, is most likely sung by Don. Knowing Ian, > he'll see this message and post the track to musica. Then maybe > someone who knows Don can positively identify his voice. > > Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas, > Jean Thomas and Barry Richards. > > The song was recorded in 1964 by Dave berry as the b-side of "The > Crying Game" and again, some years later, by those nice boys the > Sex Pistols. Phil M: > From a Sex Pistols fansite: > Paul Cook: "'Don't Gimme No Lip Child' is a Dave Berry cover that > we totally changed. It's a jumpy uptight pop ditty. Berry was a > crooner who fancied himself a sex symbol. It was Glen's idea to > do it." ...and he still does on his solo gigs, regularly! Joe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:33:35 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? Mick Patrick said: > Anyway, back to Don Thomas, the brother of Jean of the Rag Dolls/ > Les Girls. A year or so ago, S'popper Ian Slater turned up a few > songwriter demo acetates, one of which, although no performer was > credited on the label, is most likely sung by Don. Knowing Ian, > he'll see this message and post the track to musica. Then maybe > someone who knows Don can positively identify his voice. > > Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas, > Jean Thomas and Barry Richards. Thanks for the queue, Mick! I've uploaded the track and would be pleased if anyone can identify the voice. All I can add to Mick's info is from the label which is from Associated Recording Studios of 723 Seventh Avenue at 48th Street. Any ideas? Over to you folks... Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:27:39 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: Diamond Records Masters I wrote: > I wish someone out there knew who has posession of the Diamond > masters; they need to get put out on CD. Mikey: > From what I'm told, a lot of the Diamond Records Masters were > lost in a fire around 1973. Paul Urbahns: > I would think the question would be who owns the rights... The problem is, no one knows who owns the rights....Ronnie Dove can't remember who he says he bought the rights to his recordings from, and he says he has his original tapes, yet uses vinyl for some reason for cds? As for Loop De Loop in stereo on the Stereo Oldies cd, that was taken from a mint copy of the Loop De Loop stereo LP. That was also conveniently licensed by Collectables Records. But the problem is, no one knows who can claim ownership so they seem to be up for grabs, which means the tapes could all be sitting in someone's basement somewhere. After Diamond turned into Certron in 1971 and was bankrupt by 1972 I have no idea where the tapes went after Aubrey Mayhew shut down the company. Maybe he still has the tapes, I don't know. --Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:40:47 EDT From: Howard Earnshaw Subject: Re:Beach Music I remember visiting Myrtle Beach when I was working at Charleston. It was November, so most of the place was shut, but the place did look nice :-). One beach music record I heard there, but hadn't time to find a vinyl copy of was, 'I Love Beach Music' by the Embers. I loved the record with its references to other soul records in the lyrics, like I saw Willie Tee he was walking up a one way street.. If any US Specropoppers has a copy for sale or trade let me know! regards.. Howard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:43:11 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Don't Give Me No Lip Child - Don Thomas?? / Associated Studios Mick Patrick said: > Anyway, back to Don Thomas, the brother of Jean of the Rag Dolls/ > Les Girls. A year or so ago, S'popper Ian Slater turned up a few > songwriter demo acetates, one of which, although no performer was > credited on the label, is most likely sung by Don. Knowing Ian, > he'll see this message and post the track to musica. Then maybe > someone who knows Don can positively identify his voice. > > Details are: "Don't Gimme No Lip Child", written by Don Thomas, > Jean Thomas and Barry Richards. Ian Slater: > Thanks for the queue, Mick! I've uploaded the track and would be > pleased if anyone can identify the voice. All I can add to Mick's > info is from the label which is from Associated Recording Studios > of 723 Seventh Avenue at 48th Street. Any ideas? Over to you folks... Best little mono to mono to mono to mono to mono demos in NYC. Bet the label is blue and white. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:59:00 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Beach Music Another great Beach Music song is "You're More Than A Number In My Little Black Book" by The Drifters. Hard to find on CD, but great tune! Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:25:18 -0700 From: XmidX Subject: Brill Bldg. inquiry I'm looking for a photo of one of the small offices in the Brill Building, where composers and copyists labored. Please advise. Thanx. xmidx@sbcglobal.net -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:15:09 -0400 From: Andrew C Jones Subject: "Too Young To Be A Widow" Is anyone here familiar with a single called "Too Young To Be A Widow" by Cobey Carson, released around '64 on the Coed label (in the US)? ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:24:44 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Sonny Curtis / 4-track Stax / Where Were You Ed Salamon wrote: > I'm also partial to Sonny's Elektra single from that time, "The Real > Buddy Holly Story". I love HIS version of "Walk Right Back"! previously: > Shortly after Epstein's visit, on April 6, the "Revolver" sessions began > -- at Abbey Road. One question, though: did Stax even have four-track > capability as of April '66? Positively. In those days, England was WAY behind U.S. technology and progress. Atlantic was already using 8-track at that point. The Beatles, however, were pretty advanced in their musical thinking at that point. George Martin was the fulcrum that made it all work 2-track, 04 -track, 08 -track, whatever. Pres wrote: > In a related story, last night I was listening to another northern soul > comp, Soothers and Movers , and reviewing the liner notes when I found > that track #13, "Where Were You (When I Needed You) by Ernie Andrews > was co-written by Mr. Al Kooper. In those days I was very East Coast and the Ernie cover was very West Coast. I loved the arrangement. It didn't ape the demo version at all and I always like that. A lot of originallity in there. For a comparative comparison, check out my concept on the Naked Songs album on Columbia, circa 1972. Neither version borrows from the other. al kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:13:54 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Blonde On Blonde bash / Diamond masters / pirate air I just wanna say that at that Blonde On Blonde bash I recently participated in in Gnashville, we were fortunate enough to get Charlie McCoy outa da house to paticipate. I hadn't seen Charlie in decades, and it really made my whole trip to see him at rehearsals and playing screaming harp and trumpet on the gig. This was not a money gig, but that didn't bother him at all. I love people like that. A portion of the money we made was set aside for Kenny Buttrey, the original drummer on BonB, who is ailing with cancer at the moment in TN. Mikey wrote: > From what I'm told, a lot of the Diamond Records masters were lost in > a fire around 1973. Can't corfirm that, but most of the Ronnie Dove > stuff out there is from records, so that kind of bears it out. Collectables put the Loop De Loop Johnny Thunder album out on CD a coupla years ago. Although with them you can never tell the source. Joe Nelson wrote: > I never said I agreed with the assessment (which was usually pre- > Tommy when said anyway). If anything, I felt the breakdown was semi- > intentional, being a sad comment on the sudden demise of the pirate > stations. Now, to really complete the statement the breakdown would > have led to the worst cuts on the LP -- because the BBC channel that > was intended to replace the pirates was horrendous. To really complete the circle, I am currently working up a one-hour radio show for the current Radio Caroline. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:39:50 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Tom Diehl wrote: > The problem is, no one knows who owns the rights. Ronnie Dove can't > remember who he says he bought the rights to his recordings from, and > he says he has his original tapes, yet uses vinyl for some reason for CDs? He apparently just put the CDs together himself, to have something to sell and give the fans something to buy. He has a turntable, but no reel-to-reel deck capable of playing the tapes. From what you've told me privately, he doesn't consider these CDs to be major releases. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:49:06 -0000 From: Ed B Subject: Re: Don Thomas Don Thomas, who is being discussed here, could possibly be the same as: Don Thomas -- Turn Her Around/Do You Wanna Know (Minuteman 200) Minuteman was a local Boston label in the mid-'60s, who also released three 45s by The Improper Bostonians. Mmy notes from a letter published in Bomp (winter 76/77) states involement on 45 release by Chip Taylor and Al Giorgioni, and also Don Thomas played on the Just Us album on Kapp that featured I Can't Grow Peaches On A Cherry Tree. The 45 was originally Minuteman 203. Ed Bangs -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: max weiner Subject: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow. As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit: "Evil Woman (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969. If someone could tell me if this song is available, either on a greatest hits or a compilation, I would appreciate it. And also, if anyone could tell me about the band -- where they come from, what happened to them, etc. And lastly, I heard a story that the Magic Lantern, who did "Shame, Shame", was actually the brainchild of John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin and produced by him. That song came out the same time as "Evil Woman". Can somebody shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance! Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 03:35:02 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Robert John / Bobby (Pedrick, Jr.) & The Consoles Austin Roberts wrote: > I think Bobby Pedrick's (pre Robert John) first single of any > consequence, and Al, you can correct me on this, was White Bucks > or White Buck Shoes or something like that, when he was 13. The title was "White Bucks And Saddle Shoes", on Big Top Records in the US (one of the first issues for the label, #3004), released on the Quality label in Canada. I more favor the flip side, "Stranded". I don't know who backed him, but they kind of remind me of the group that backed Dion on his first outing for Mohawk, The Timberlanes. Bobby had two more issues for the label, then one on Shell, and then three for the Duel label before making the Diamond cut with The Consoles. Anybody here close enough to Robert John to find out the name of the group that backed him on "Stranded"? Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:40:07 -0500 From: Steve Jarrell Subject: Re: Beach Music / The Embers Howard Earnshaw: > I remember visiting Myrtle Beach when I was working at Charleston. > It was November, so most of the place was shut, but the place did > look nice :-). One beach music record I heard there, but hadn't > time to find a vinyl copy of was, 'I Love Beach Music' by the > Embers. I loved the record with its references to other soul > records in the lyrics, like I saw Willie Tee he was walking up a > one way street.. If any US Specropoppers has a copy for sale or > trade let me know! Hello Howard, I read your message and checked the Ripete Records catalogue (www.ripete.com) and the Embers medley is on their 25th anniversary album as well as on various beach music compilations. It is referred to as the Embers Medley and a great piece of work. The group is going through some personnel changes right now but still continue to be headliners in Beach Music. Donny Weaver (lead singer of "I'm A Girlwatcher" by the O'Kaysions had recently joined the Embers as a keyboard player. Unfortunately, he had an uto accident last week and is hospitalized. Hopefully, he will be back shortly. There are several great beach bands still recording product. Good luck, Steve Jarrell -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:47:05 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Dobie Gray on White Whale Hi, does anyone who has the original White Whale Dobie Gray 45's (3 of them). Below is the info I have. Can anyone fill in the blanks for producers and writers? Thanks! Clark Rose Garden (Joe South) White Whale single 300; 1969 Produced by Dennis, Maher and Amato Where's The Girl Gone (Tommy Amato) White Whale single 300; 1969 Produced by Dennis, Maher and Amato Do You Really Have A Heart (Roger Nichols-Paul H. Williams) White Whale single 330; 1969 Produced by What A Way To Go ( ) White Whale single 330; 1969 Produced by Guess Who (Jessie and JoAnn Belvin) White Whale single 342; 1970 Produced by Honey, You Can't Take It Back (Kenny Nolan) White Whale single 342; 1970 Produced by Gary Zekley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:49:45 EDT From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Don (& Jean) Thomas Previously: > ... Don Thomas -- Turn Her Around/Do You Wanna Know (Minuteman 200) Minuteman was a local Boston label in the mid-'60s, who also released three 45s by The Improper Bostonians. Certainly very likely. They also released "You're The Root Of My Evil", written by Don and Jean Thomas. Jean was the artist and I think Don and Bill (ask Al Kooper how to spell it) were the producers. I own a copy--any bids? Di la, Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:56:40 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: As The Crow Flies & The Magic Lantern Mac Joseph wrote: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group > Crow. As far as I can remember, they only had one US chart hit: > "Evil Woman (Don't Play Your Games With Me)", circa 1969. If > someone could tell me if this song is available, either on a > greatest hits or a compilation, I would appreciate it. And also, > if anyone could tell me about the band -- where they come from, > what happened to them, etc. > > And lastly, I heard a story that the Magic Lantern, who did "Shame, > Shame", was actually the brainchild of John Paul Jones of Led > Zeppelin and produced by him. That song came out the same time as > "Evil Woman". Can somebody shed some light on this for me? Mac, not sure where you live, but here in the midwest US, Crow was very popular in the early 70's. Dick Wagner was the leader and had previously been an important part of Frost, the Bossmen and Cherry Slush. Chicago's Dunwich guru Bill Traut signed Crow to his new Amaret label and their first minor hit was "Time to Make a Turn" which went top 10 in Wichita. "Evil Woman" was next. "Cottage Cheese" became a very big AM/FM crossover record and big fave of the group's fans still. In the early 90's, I helped KTel with their Crow Cd "Best of" that is now out of print. It was a pretty good comp, but did not include the Omaha top 10 "Something in Your Blood". I am quite surprised there has not been any comp since. It is overdue to revisit the catalog. I've often heard stories about the 68 Magic Lantern. Ozzy Osborne's group. WRONG. The John Paul Jones story may be true, I'm not sure. Albert Hammond was a member. RIGHT! Except not on "Shame Shame". He was with them in the early 70's when they had cool 45's of "One Night Stand" and "Country Woman", I'm pretty sure. Anyone wanna get the JP Jones story straightened out? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:53:09 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Blonde On Blonde bash Al Kooper writes: > I just wanna say that at that Blonde On Blonde bash I recently > participated in in Gnashville, we were fortunate enough to get > Charlie McCoy outa da house to paticipate. I hadn't seen Charlie > in decades, and it really made my whole trip to see him at > rehearsals and playing screaming harp and trumpet on the gig. > This was not a money gig, but that didn't bother him at all. I > love people like that. A portion of the money we made was set > aside for Kenny Buttrey, the original drummer on BonB, who is > ailing with cancer at the moment in TN. Al, I was supposed to participate in the Kenny Buttrey tribute last week but had to be out of town. I am sorry I missed you as I would like to to see how many mutual friends we have. Sorry I couldn't make it. Austin Roberts PS. Let me know when you're coming to Gnashville again. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:21:14 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Crow Mac Joseph: > I am trying to locate any info I can about the horn rock group Crow. Per Whitburn: >From Minneapolis, Dave Wagner - lead voc; drummer Deny Craswell was in the Castaways. Had 2 follow-up chart singles in 1970: Cottage Cheese (#56), ("Don't Try To Lay No Boogie Woogie On The) King Of Rock & Roll" (#52). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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