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Spectropop - Digest Number 1594

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Epic  Splendor = Beach Music?
           From: Mark 
      2. "Sukiyaki" lyrics; ISO Roemans; Kustom
           From: Country Paul 
      3. Re: Robert John
           From: Mark 
      4. Re: Robert John
           From: Austin Roberts 
      5. Grover Henson Feels Forgotten
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      6. Re: Bert Berns' British productions
           From: Mick Patrick 
      7. Cincinnati area Oldies Fest
           From: Karen Andrew 
      8. Re: Sonny Curtis
           From: Ed Salamon 
      9. Re: Sonny Curtis
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     10. Re: Beatles recordings abroad
           From: Lloyd Davis 
     11. Re: recordin' in America ... not
           From: Lloyd Davis 
     12. Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
           From: Frank Murphy 
     13. Re: Beatles recordings abroad
           From: Steve Harvey 
     14. Re: Love Is All Around
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     15. Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
           From: Richard Globman 
     16. The many facets of Northern 'Soul'
           From: Pres 
     17. Candymen / Beach Music
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     18. Re: Bert Berns' British productions / Elaine and Derek
           From: Mick Patrick 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:28:29 GMT From: Mark Subject: Re: Epic Splendor = Beach Music? Hi Brent! Funny you should mention that about the Epic Splendor record. Not too long ago on the Northern soul group I'm on (keepingthefaith), one guy who's a respected collector and DJ was going on about what a great Northern soul record this is! I've had it for a while and never gave it a spin--looks like I'll have to do just that. Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:39:55 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: "Sukiyaki" lyrics; ISO Roemans; Kustom Been away on vacation - catching up on 2 1/2 weeks worth of posts! Mutsushi, I like your direct translation much better than the one posted on the Kyu Sakamoto website referred to earlier. Thank you for the literal lyrics (i.e., "I shall walk keeping my chin up" vs. "I look up when I walk"). I continue to look for The Roemans' "Your Friend" on ABC, c. 1962-63 (by Tommy Roe's back-up group of the time). A post to musica or an off-list mp3 would be gratefully appreciated if anyone has access to this track. Thank you in advance! Me, earlier: > And Kustom was not exactly known as top-end material in the musical > circles I hing with! Mike: > Hey, watch it! I still use my Kustom cabinet with two 12's on wheels > as an external speaker with my 1968 tube Vibrolux! Many of us have had funky instruments or amps that work well for us! I still have an old Kay "finger eater" guitar that my band's lead guitarist used to tune to an E-major chord and play slide on - sounded good, too! And the wheels on the Kustom equipment sure helped in the set-up and load-out! (Perhaps they were a precursor to modern suitcases with built-in wheels....) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:33:07 GMT From: Mark Subject: Re: Robert John Hi Frank! I can say for sure that Robert John is not from England. He was born Robert John Pedrick, Jr. in New York, and first recorded under that name (actually, as Bobby Pedrick, Jr.) for Big Top in 1961 or so. Can't stand "If You Don't Want My Love"--it's enough to give me a major tension headache (and it took me quite a while after his hit "Sad Eyes" came out before I could stand that one)--but he does have a nice version of "Ooh Baby Baby" on Columbia as well. Not enough to make you forget Smokey, but not bad either. Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:00:09 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Robert John Al Kooper: > I do NOT recall "producing" this at all. It sounds like me on keyboards. > I was out of BS&T by the summer of'68 BTW. Robert John & I did not get > close until late 1968. We were both managed by the same guy at the time. > The co-writer Mike Gately became my best friend until his untimely death > in 1982. I would not have sanctioned this as a "finished" product, even > in 1968 so I doubt I actually produced it no matter WHAT the label says. Al, You were a lucky man to have been that close to Mike.He was one of the funniest and gentle guys I've ever met. He and Bobby and I shared a love for boxing. I boxed Golden Gloves many moons ago, and they used to kid me about maybe I should have made my career boxing instead of music, but believe me, I gave it back equally. We used to hang out at Martins, right down from Famous Music. What an incredible human being he was! Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:44:11 EDT From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Grover Henson Feels Forgotten My favorite Bill Cosby song, besides "Little Ole Man", is Grover Henson Feels Forgotten. It was on UNI and I don't think he ever did an album for them. Needless to say since it came out during the Vietnam War it got a lot of airplay besides he was doing the Bill Cosby Radio Program (a 5 minute comedy featurette series) sponsored by Coke. I have a few of those on tape. They featured the Rock and Roll Coke Commericals by current groups. I was a DJ in those days and there was quite a bit of Bill Cosby on radio. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:15:46 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions I wrote: > Actually, Bert Berns made three trips to the UK: in October 1963, > October '64 and March '65. On his first visit he produced tracks > by acts from the Larry Page stable, all from Coventry, including > the Orchids. Niels: > I find it hard to believe, that Bert Berns can have been in London > in March 1965, as it is a fact that Jackie McAuley played his last > gig with Them April 14th (newspaper clippings from back then), and > Peter Bardens joined the following week. And I've spoken to Jackie > McAuley, and although he can't tell for sure it doesn't seem likely, > that he's on any of the Berns produced tracks in March/May. But then > again, I can't say for sure. Have you got proof that Berns was in UK > in March? I meant May, not March. May the 3rd, 4th and 5th, to be precise, at Regent Sounds Studios in London. Titles recorded by Them that day, with Bert Berns producing, were: (IT WON’T HURT) HALF AS MUCH LITTLE GIRL GO ON HOME BABY MY LITTLE BABY and I GAVE MY LOVE A DIAMOND This information was supplied to me by Rob Hughes. He's not prone to errors. Good luck with writing your book about Van Morrison. I'm sure he is being the absolute acme of friendly co-operation. :-) Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Cincinnati area Oldies Fest Sorry, this is a little late, but for anyone interested, The Union Centre Boulevard Bash, a three-day outdoor music and food fun festival in a northern Cincinnati suburb of West Chester, is happening this weekend. What I'm planning to attend is the WGRR Oldiesfest on Sunday afternoon-evening, including: The Turtles featuring Flo and Eddie, 05 :15-6:15 p.m. and Felix Cavaliere's Rascals, 06 :45-7:45 p.m. The festival is on Union Centre Boulevard, just west of I-75, Butler County, Ohio. Take Union Centre Blvd exit. So, people from Dayton would be able to come too! web site: Karen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:05:36 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: Sonny Curtis Joe Nelson: > If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's > recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure > this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know > otherwise (God willing)? "Love Is All Around" was the title track of Sonny's 1980 Elektra album. It was also released as a single, and promoted primarily to Country radio. I'm also partial to Sonny's Elektra single from that time "The Real Buddy Holly Story". Ed Salamon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:16:34 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: Sonny Curtis Sonny Curtis: > If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's > recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure > this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know > otherwise (God willing)? As far as I remember there was a version by Curtis released on Ovation Records as a single. But I can´t swear it. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:55:13 -0400 From: Lloyd Davis Subject: Re: Beatles recordings abroad Tom Taber wrote: > That being the date, how on earth did "Sie Liebt Dich" end up as a 45 > release on Swan? Beatles expert Bruce Spizer has an article on his website that talks a bit about it. Here's a link: To Spizer's ear, the Swan "Sie Liebt Dich" sounds like a transfer from a 45, not a master tape. He conjectures that Swan assumed it had the rights to any version of "She Loves You," since it had leased the original. He also guesses that Capitol reached a settlement with Swan, whereby the single would be pulled. It came out in July '64 on the "Something New" LP. - Lloyd Davis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:21:53 -0400 From: Lloyd Davis Subject: Re: recordin' in America ... not In "Soulsville USA," Rob Bowman writes that Brian Epstein made inquiries in 1966 about the Beatles recording at the Stax studio in Memphis. Epstein first approached Atlantic, who sent Tom Dowd to Memphis to inspect the facilities. In March, Estelle Axton gave Brian Epstein a tour of the operation and the city. Bowman quotes the Memphis Press-Scimitar as reporting on March 31 that the Beatles were to start recording at Stax on April 9 and would spend two weeks there. When they performed in Memphis in August, George Harrison and Paul McCartney confirmed they had wanted to record at Stax and admired the music coming from the label. Shortly after Epstein's visit, on April 6, the "Revolver" sessions began -- at Abbey Road. One question, though: did Stax even have four-track capability as of April '66? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:42:26 -0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul' Howard: > Northern Soul - A way of life!! I'm off out tonight to join this mob on the dancefloor: Frankm -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Beatles recordings abroad > That being the date, how on earth did "Sie Liebt > Dich" end up as a 45 > release on Swan? Capitol had first pick on all Beatle material because of their sister company, Parlophone. However, in the early Beatle days they didn't want to know about them. So whoever was willing to pay got to release the stuff hence ten different labels putting out Beatles product. Swan was out of Philly and had "She Loves You". The story is the owner let alot of people have the disc "for a song" thinking they would help him out with his future releases. Didn't happen so he rereleased "I'll Get You" (1 of my favorites) as if it was a new single even though it had already been out on the B-side of "She Loves You". I use to have the one sided promo single with it on one side and a blank side on the other side. I guess because he had rights to "She Loves You" that gave him clearance to release it in Deutsch. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:38:12 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Love Is All Around Joe Nelson wrote: > If any TV theme of the 70's deserved to be a hit, it was Sonny's > recording of the MTM theme ("Love Is All Around"). I'm not sure > this was ever even remixed for official release. Anybody know > otherwise (God willing)? I don't know whether either was ever released, but I believe Sonny Curtis recorded two different versions of his touching theme song for the Mary Tyler Moore Show. If I'm not mistaken, the first was used only for the show's debut season (1970?), and the other, with slightly different lyrics, used for the rest of the show's duration. The song later became something of a post-punk anthem, first recorded in that milieu by Husker Du, in a typically explosive performance that played off the fact that they shared a Minneapolis base with the fictional TV show. I've heard at least two other post-punk versions recorded after their's, although I can't recall who they were by. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:23:57 -0700 From: Richard Globman Subject: Re:The many facets of Northern 'Soul' Howard: > It seems the northern soul debate is off and running again on Spectropop > in a big way!! Having been involved on the scene since it's humble > beginings and currently active on it now, frequenting all nighters and > editing a fanzine which is aimed at the rare soul scene, I dare venture > to add few more 'fascinating' facts about the music ... Thanks, Howard...that was a terrific post. Having grown up in the southeastern U.S. I've been exposed to beach music all my life. Recently, I stumbled upon Northern Soul and joined one of the seemingly zillions of mailing lists...the KTF ("Keep The Faith") list. A UK friend send me 3 CD's containing about 4500 ra files. I'm still only about halfway through the second CD but the similarity between Northern and beach is amazing. I don't really understand the different facets...Northern, modern, R&B, etc....but the music is great. DickyG -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:17:17 -0400 From: Pres Subject: The many facets of Northern 'Soul' Howard Earnshaw writes: > From the very beginings not all records played in the Clubs were > strictly soul records, with the UK so far from the States, many of > the original records were copied by white bands here, I give you... > The Alan Bown Set "Gonna Fix You Good") ... Sometimes I get creeped out about the coincidences between what gets mentioned on this list and what I'm doing at the time. There I am, minding my own business checking google returns the above mentioned song when the latest S'pop digest arrives in my email. Oooo - weeeee - ooooh... So, I know it was written by Teddy Randazzo and done by Little Anthony but who produced the Alan Bown Set's version, when was it released, and - pushing my luck - what label and label number. I recently encountered this song on an EMI comp, The Best Northern Soul All Nighter ... EVER!, and was trying to find out more about it. In a related story, last night I was listening to another northern soul comp, Soothers and Movers , and reviewing the liner notes when I found that track # 13, "Where Were You (When I Needed You) by Ernie Andrews was co-written by Mr. Al Kooper. If the distinguished gentleman has returned from his Pompadour'd Spelling Bee in Athens, I'd love to hear anything he may know about said recording produced by David Axelrod. Apparently your copyright is, indeed, controlled. Hmmmm, you buy a cd for a couple of Clydie King tracks and you get familiar eface thrown in. pres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:24:37 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Candymen / Beach Music "Georgia Pines" was a fabulous treat! Thanks for putting it in musica! Beach music sounds like my kind of thing just like Northern soul. Lots of melody, lots of dance rhythm, and lots of feelings expressed equals lots of FUN. Those 3 tunes by Epic Splendor, The Tams, and Chairmen of the Board are classic examples. And I also love "She Shot A Hole In My Soul" by Clifford Curry so I'm happy to hear that Austin R is in contact with him too!!! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:15:48 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions / Elaine and Derek Peter Lerner: > I remember Elaine & Derek as being a related young teenage duo > (brother and sister I think, 12/13 years old) from Northern > Ireland. I believe that Derek is one Derek Bell, who became a > classical musician of some note, then joined the Irish folk > band The Chieftains as a harp (classical harp, not blues harp!) > player. Derek Bell sadly died a little while ago. Sure, Elaine and Derek were a brother and sister act, but their surname was Thompson. Derek became famous as Nurse Charlie Fairhead in Casualty, the crap UK TV hospital drama, not forgetting the more recent spin-off, Holby City. I have a video clip of one of the duo's musical performances somewhere. I haven't heard their Bert Berns- produced tracks. Thank God for ER! Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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