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Spectropop - Digest Number 1587



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There are 25 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Bert Berns' British productions
           From: Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen 
      2. Re: The Candymen
           From: Shawn 
      3. Re: The Candymen
           From: Eddy 
      4. Re: The New Rascals
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
      5. Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
      6. Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
           From: Tom K. 
      7. Re: 15 Fab Hicks
           From: Clark Besch 
      8. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
      9. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
           From: Austin Roberts 
     10. Re: "Like A Rolling Stone"
           From: Clark Besch 
     11. Re: The Candymen
           From: Austin Roberts 
     12. Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien
           From: Clark Besch 
     13. Anne Murray & The Small Circle Of Friends
           From: Brent Cash 
     14. Re: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago)
           From: Gary Myers 
     15. Re: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station"
           From: Paul Richards 
     16. Northern Soul
           From: Dave O'Gara 
     17. Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison
           From: Joe Nelson 
     18. The Allman Joys
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     19. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop
           From: Martin Roberts 
     20. Gary Criss / Epic Splendor
           From: Martin Roberts 
     21. Re: The Epic Splendor
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. The Neighborhood
           From: Martin Roberts 
     23. Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
     24. Re: Bert Berns' British productions
           From: Mick Patrick 
     25. Ellie Greenwich
           From: Martin Roberts 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:53:00 +0200 From: Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen Subject: Bert Berns' British productions Mick Patrick wrote May 12 2003 about a new release including Bert Berns' British productions. Whatever happened to that? Has it been released or will it be? And has anyone got the track listing? Niels -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:37:21 -0000 From: Shawn Subject: Re: The Candymen Atkins, Goldsboro & others first made a 45 as "The Webs" - 02 instrumental sides which features Goldsboro doing his cricket imitation. Orbison picked up the group while performing in Dothan, Alabama which is where Adkins (group founder) was from and renamed them The Candymen after his current hit "Candy Man". Paul Garrison, Billy Sandford, Billy Gilmore, Bob Dees & John R. Atkins was lineup on "Pretty Woman" and "The Orbison Way" LP - you can see this group on the Ed Sullivan footage. If you get the tape of the Orbison Holland tour, Robert Nix is already on drums. Goldsboro was gone before any recordings took place. Rodney Justo of Tampa was brought in to replace Goldsboro (formerly of Rodney & The Mystics). Sandford & Dees left, Dean Daughtry took Dees' place on keys & this is the LP lineup of The Candymen. They did 2 excellent LPs on ABC & 1 non-LP 45, then in 1969 Gilmore & Daughtry went with Dennis Yost & Classics IV (Gilmore stayed on until 1975). Adkins put out one 45 as The Candymen "Happy Tonight" but it was him & local session players, I don't believe any of the other previous members are on it. Adkins & Justo then formed Beaverteeth & did 2 LPs, and 1 45 "Georgia Pines" (tough to find), then they broke up. Justo did quite a bit of backup vocal session work including a good stint with BJ Thomas. Nix did a few Lynyrd Skynrd LPs THEN...Daughtry, Nix & Justo went to ARS for their 1st Decca LP. Nix & Justo were gone soon after...Daughtry is still with ARS today. (confused yet?) John Rainey Adkins concentrated on songwriting and had just had some success when a heart attack took him. Gilmore collected civil war guns, and enjoyed toying with them. A Tomahawk had gone off in his home once before, but a second time got him in the head and he was gone in 1978. So yes, The Candymen Orbison band & "Georgia Pines" group are one and the same. The "Twist" LP on eBay is NOT this group though. I suggest checking out The Candymen's 1st ABC LP, tracks such as "Movies In My Mind" and "Lonely Eyes" kick butt. If you can decifer the above, you'll see that The Candymen are responsible for the early "Atlanta Sound" (Lowery Studios)...evident on Classics IV, ARS & Beaverteeth LPs. I've spoken with all surviving members of The Candymen, they shared the stage & partied with Mama Cass, and a infamous gig with Pink Floyd at the Cheetah. Some interesting & wild stories! Here's a great page about Rodney & what he's up to today: http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/rodney_justo.html I have started a photo/info page of The Candymen in fact and will post the url address here when I get it done if anyone is still interested! Shawn www.superoldies.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:15:44 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Re: The Candymen According to http://www.geocities.com/orbisonarchive/musicianslive.html (and as reported previously) these are the people who were at one point or another in the Candy Men backing Orbison: Dewey Martin - drums, Robert Nix - drums, Bobby Goldsboro - guitar, Barry Booth - piano, band director, Paul Garrison - drums, Billy Sandford - lead guitar, Billy Gilmore - bass and John R. Atkins - guitar. However, according to http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/ the Atlanta Rhythm Section was the "brainchild of songwriter-producer Buddy Buie-a former member of Roy Orbison's Candymen and the pop band Classics IV". Yet no mention of Buie in above listing. Or did he assume another name here? Then, according to http://tinyurl.com/4ujrx Rodney Justo says "When Bobby (Goldsboro) scored a hit of his own called 'See the Funny Little Clown', Roy asked if I would take his place. The thought of making less money than I was already making appealed to me immediately, so off I went to see the world." Again, no mention of Justo in above listing, yet he apparently went on the road as a Candy Man. Then the site says: "The Candymen managed to sneak in a top 40 hit with a song called 'Georgia Pines' which naturally meant Roy wasn't long for this world and needed to start looking for another back-up band.". http://www.alamhof.org/buiebud.htm goes back to the origins of the band: "Buddy Buie's career started in his hometown of Dothan with boyhood friend Bobby Goldsboro who had formed a band known as the Webs. The band learned that Roy Orbison would be coming to Dothan, they learned his songs so well that Roy asked them to become his touring band. Thus, the Candymen were born and Buie became Orbison's tour manager as well. Buie had been writing songs for the Webs and this continued with the Candymen and Roy Orbison." Are these people just assuming that the Candy Men and the Candymen are the same band? If they are indeed the same band, how come one of the leading Orbison sites on the Net is apparently not aware of these people as members of the Candy Men, in spite of the fact that their names are all over the Web? Questions, questions, questions, floating in the mind of the concerned young citizen of today... Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:46:50 -0600 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: The New Rascals David Coyle wrote: > I'm going to see the Turtles, the Grass Roots and the "New Rascals" > at the Ohio State Fair this week... Has anyone seen the New Rascals? > What do they do for a lead singer, considering the two best known > voices of the Rascals are not there? Last time I was living in NYC, I worked with Jeff Blankensop who had been doing Felix's bit for Gene & Dino. If it's him still in the fold, he's a great organist and singer, right in that same pocket. So you won't be disapointed. Regards, Les Fradkin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:46:19 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago) Thanks - my 45 has pen scribbles on it, making it hard to see who wrote it. I found it stuck between two albums in a rack of LP's. How it wound up in Wichita is anyones guess. It's a fine piece of Chicago pop - very much inspired by Major Lance's "Monkey Time" and Curtis Mayfield's productions at the time. I can understand why the Northern Soul croud liked it. I will upload it when theres room on musica. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:59:12 -0000 From: Tom K. Subject: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station" Hi there. I've been getting a lot recently into the music of the legendary french singer Claude Francois (pronounced "clod fronswah"), national hero and sort-of their Elvis (down to the untimely late-70s death). One of the most interesting things i've discovered though is that several times in the 60s and 70s he attempted to break the UK and US markets with a series of English-language records. He kind of succeeded in 1976 with the so-sugary-it-made-your-teeth-drop-out Tears On The Telephone but unfortunately he was killed soon after while working on the BBC TV series that should have meant his international breakthrough. Anyway, I recently discovered a song he recorded and released in England in 1966 on the Fontana label titled Bench No. 3 at Waterloo Station. A brilliant mid-tempo northern soul-meets-lounge sound with a touch of the Kinks, which I guess sold next to nothing. Nevertheless, it's a great song with a real narrative, and it was apparently also recorded by The Artwoods, but i can't find hide nor hair of it... Does anyone know where I can find this version and/or a better quality mp3 of the song than at http://clocloweb.free.fr/ ? I fear that all the vinyl copies that are out there are in the hands of French collectors that wouldn't part with them for love nor money... Oh well. Just out of interest, the above-mentioned song was apparently written by someone called Filter de Luxe - that has to be a pseudonym right? Anyone know for who? Thanks. Tom K -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:22:42 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: 15 Fab Hicks S.J. Dibai wrote: > The Repertoire CD has the first, and somewhat sloppy, take of it. > There is a 'proper' take, but it was issued only on the extremely > rare '5 + 10 = 15 Fabulous Hits' LP in 1965. Steve Harvey: > I remember that LP only because the back cover had shots of Chad > and Jeremy except for one of Peter and Gordon some joker snuck in. > Kinda like the Fender Hamburgalar on the Fotofinish basses. That "5+10=15" Lp was on some Fido label (or something like that). What was wild about that, is that you get "If I Loved You" with either Chad or Jeremy cussing at the end. Took me by surprise! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:50:15 -0600 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen wrote: > I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was a guitar > player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in the mid-sixties. > But also with The Monkees, I believe. Anybody got any info on Mr. > Thomas? Sessions he did participate in. Where did he come from? His > whereabouts since then? etc. I'm old friends with Don Thomas. He now runs Creative Services Music Company, which specializes in Jingle production. He played lead guitar on my 1970 MGM/Sunflower single "Song Of A Thousand Voices" (SUN-101) which I had out under the name "Fearless Fradkin." A great guy and a very good guitarist. Regards, Les Fradkin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:23:55 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas Previously; > I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was a guitar > player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in the mid-sixties. > But also with The Monkees, I believe. I'm a believer that most, if not all of the Monkees sessions were cut in LA. Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:25:16 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "Like A Rolling Stone" Norm D wrote: > There's been a short series on BBC Radio 4 called "Soul Music". It > looks at the cultural / social / personal significance of songs > that have become part of a wider public consciousness. Today's half- > hour episode featured "Like A Rolling Stone". There was quite a bit > of studio chit-chat and early run-throughs of the song (I've never > heard any of that before), and contributions from, amongst others, > Al Kooper, who told how this recording session led to his new career > as an organ player. A great half-hour programme at 1.30 in the > afternoon! The programme is archived at: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/soulmusic.shtml Norm, I found this to be quite a cool piece. At least the first 15 minutes and Al Kooper's comments. The beginning of the earliest incarnation of "Like a Rolling Stone" as displayed in this show certainly does ask, "How did they make ANYTHING listenable out of this?" Thanks for supplying it. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:36:50 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: The Candymen Al Kooper: > They evolved into the Atlanta Rhythym Section - same drummer, > bassist and keyboardist. Rodney Justo lasted one album in that > configuration. Thanks Al. Also, I heard that you played on Sweet Home Alabam, is this true? Best, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:29:33 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Peppermint Rainbow/Higher Elevation/Danny Holien Bob Rashkow wrote: > Clark B, I too loved "Roberta" when it was out (along with its > B-side, "Bust Song.") And I checked Osborne about the Peppermint > Rainbow -- they did indeed make only one LP. And do you have The > Higher Elevation's other single, "Here Comes Sunshine"? Could it > possibly be as supergroovy as "Summer Skies"? And could you play > that or "Georgia Pines" by The Candymen (I've never heard it! I've > got the Candy Power album, which is pretty cool but I've never > heard the one song they made the Top 10 in Atlanta with!) to musica? Bobster, looks like others have taken care of your requests. Colorado's Higher Elevation song "Here Comes Sunshine" is not nearly as good as "Summer Skies", but I'll see if I can dig it out. I could likely post the later Peppermint Rainbow songs to musica if wished. When I think of Colorado artists, Danny Holien's minor hit, "Colorado", comes to mind. I really loved the song when it was out and it is one of the few Hot 100 hits still not on CD. Anyone else love this song? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:25:46 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Anne Murray & The Small Circle Of Friends Hi all, Billy hit paydirt at the thrift store recently with the Eighth Day promo for cheap (nice price for a record full of Dante and Artie Butler), and I am quite happy with my $1.00 find yesterday... If this hasn't been discussed before, let me say that the "Talk It Over In The Morning" LP by Anne Murray (1971) is a very good record all the way through. 10 songs - all good, and one which I bought the record for because of the writing credits... "Talk It Over In The Morning" (the title track has caused my head to spin like Linda Blair) could be the missing track on The Match's "A New Light" LP. Yes, it's Earth's genius, Roger Nichols (P. Williams co- on this one). This record may be old news to you guys and girls, but to me it might be the Canadian "Italian Graffiti". Billy, hopefully you and all Texan S'poppers survived the floods unharmed. Best to all, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:46:25 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Re: U.S.A Records (Chicago) Billy G. Spradlin: > Didn't Jim Holvay write the Buckinghams' hits "Kind of A Drag" > and "Don't You Care?" Yes, that and more. Re: Mike Tomasetti: As Jim has already mentioned, Tomasetti went on to sing with the Neighborhood, which had the hit on "Big Yellow Taxi". He also had the following: Mike Tomasetti (Constellation 126) She's The One/Marlene Mike & Michael (Constellation 156) My Neighborhood/Where Have You Been (prod: Jim Holvay) Tomasetti & Cavallo (label?) Candy And Me/ ? gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:39:43 EDT From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Claude Francois "Bench No. 3 On Waterloo Station" Thanks Tom for the Claude link, nice track. I've got a greatest hits package of his, my favourites being the camp disco tracks 'Alexandrie, Alexandra', 'Magnolias for ever' & 'Je Vais a Rio'. I must get round to buying a DVD collection of his stuff. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:26:54 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Northern Soul G. Spradlin wrote: > It's a fine piece of Chicago pop - very much inspired by Major > Lance's "Monkey Time" and Curtis Mayfield's productions at the > time. I can understand why the Northern Soul croud liked it. >From time to time, I see these references to Northern Soul. Forgive my ignorance for this question, but I was wondering if Northern Soul is simply R&B recorded above the Mason/Dixon line. Or does this term refer specifically to a certain area like Chicago, in the same way that Muscle Shoals or Stax represent a more Southern Soul sound? I'm sure your answers will help me more fully enjoy the postings here on S-pop. Thanks, Dave 0' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:05:51 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: The Candymen / Roy Orbison Phil X Milstein: > Wasn't The Candymen the name of Roy Orbison's backing group? > If so, was it a different Candymen than the one that turned > into Atlanta Rhythm Section? Also, why am I confusing The > Candymen with the group that became The Allman Brothers? Maybe > they had a candy-related name, too, such as Allman Joy or > something like that. Eddy: > Totally different band backing Orbison! Here's a list of the people > that at one point or another were members of Orbison's Candy Men: > Dewey Martin - drums, Robert Nix - drums, Bobby Goldsboro - guitar, > Barry Booth - piano, band director, Paul Garrison - drums, Billy > Sandford - lead guitar, Billy Gilmore - bass and John R. Atkins - > guitar.... Although as far as I can see it is not the same band, > apparently two members actually toured with Orbison as well. So this > may need a little more investigation. The Candymen are credited on the "Oh! Pretty Woman" single, although I'm not sure they actually played on it. Either way, maybe someone can answer a question about that recording: The song's biggest "hook" was obviously all those guitars banging out that eight-note E7 riff in unison - e,e,g#,b,d,f#,e,d. Listening to the recoird closely, it sounds like the bass player tried to muscle up the song by changing the last three notes. At the F# he drops an octave, back to the fourth string instead of the second where the rest of the group was. This puts the D note below the range of his axe, so he substitutes a G#. Am I the only one who hears this? I'm not sure anyone who ever toured with Orbison ever played this. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:08:37 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: The Allman Joys The Allman Joys was but one of the many evolutions of the Allman Brothers before they achieved their fame. Wouldn't I kill for the Hour Glass collection! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:10:16 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop Don Drysdale is making his Spectropop debut as the vocalist on "One Love", Jack Nitzsche's Record Of The Week, currently playing on the Home Page: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm My review guesses that despite Jack's typical high standards he was 'paying the rent' with this release. However a pal's opinion is much more sympathetic to the recording: "....Don comes across as sincere. And Jack's arrangement is straight from his Paris Sisters' days, the acoustic intro and the string lines are appropriately sensitive, without overshadowing the vocal and are of a higher quality than just 'rattled off'." Judge for yourself. At the same time checkout Celebrities On Record: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/recordreviews.htm#celebs It's a new feature on Jack's recordings with celebs, inspired by an amusing email from Denny Bruce. Artists covered are Don Drysdale, Roosevelt Grier, Soupy Sales and Gail Martin. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:56:58 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Gary Criss / Epic Splendor Thanks to Joe Nelson for playing Gary Criss's "Little Joe" to musica. Excellent "Brill Building" style recording. Nice one Al. Did you originally have this pitched towards Motown's Contours? I'm severely lacking in the Criss record dept. A few pals have suggested this is a situation that should be rectified. Regarding Epic Splendor, my picture sleeved promo :-) only lists the A-Side "It Could Be So Wonderful" as arranged Trade Martin. "She's High..." credits the arranger as John Boylan, who along with James Foley produced both sides. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:37:08 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: The Epic Splendor Bob Rashkow: > Hot Biscuit Disc Company brought us The Epic Splendor, which > I haven't heard since December 1967... Joe Nelson wrote: > Since we're on the subject and there's space, I've posted the > B side of "It Could Be Wonderful" to Musica, "She's High On > Life". One wonders why Capitol is sitting on these tapes - > there is interest in the tracks. Joe, It would be cool to hear the Epic Splendor in stereo if tapes exist. "A Little Rain Must Fall" certainly made Boss Radio KHJ's top 30 and that was no small fete in 1967! The one I love is "It Could be Wonderful". Our local Dodge City, Ks. station, KEDD, played it when it was out in summer of 67. It sounded like a Buckinghams record, which sold me. Had no idea the Smoke did it. Some of the Smoke's songs are really great pop, not just psychedelic like the great "My Friend Jack". "Waterfall" by the Smoke is just beautiful. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:11:07 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: The Neighborhood James Holvay mentioned The Neighborhood and their hit cover of "Big Yellow Taxi". Are they the same group who recorded the great Four Seasons sounding 45 "Why Can't You See" for Bullet Records? Writer and producer Al Tigro with A&R by Virtue/Stiles. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:52:42 -0600 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: NY studio muscicans: Don(ald) Thomas Previously; > I just can't seem to find any info on Don(ald) Thomas. He was > a guitar player and is to be heard on sessions in New York in > the mid-sixties. But also with The Monkees, I believe. Austin Roberts: > I'm a believer that most, if not all of the Monkees sessions > were cut in LA. But Don Thomas is the fuzz guitarist on "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You". This is well documented in Rhino re-issues and this was a NYC session. In fact, this session (which also yielded "She") was one of the reasons Mike Nesmith lost his temper at Don Kirshner and screamed for Monkee independence. Les -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:14:10 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Bert Berns' British productions Niels Chr Junker-Poulsen wrote: > Mick Patrick wrote May 12 2003 about a new release including > Bert Berns' British productions. Whatever happened to that? > Has it been released or will it be? And has anyone got the > track listing? Ah, someone's been scouring the S'pop Archives. Good on yer, Niels. It transpires that CD was a pipedream. Shame. Bert Berns produced enough tracks in the UK to fill an entire CD. Here's a list of the artists concerned: Gerry Levene, Johnny B. Great, the Orchids, the Redcaps, Brenda & Johnny, Elaine & Derek, Lulu, Moses K. & the Prophets and . . . Them. With no love lost between that grouch Van Morrison and the late Bert Berns, the former Them frontman's vital co-operation in such a project is unlikely, to say the least. The tracklist exists only in my mind. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:11:10 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Ellie Greenwich There's been lots to impress on Spectropop recently but, while I'm in a flurry of writing, I must give a big thank you for the Ellie Greenwich re-print: http://www.spectropop.com/EllieGreenwich/index.htm Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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