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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Nervous Breakdown
           From: Mike McKay 
      2. How many fiddle-playing Japanese honky-tonkers could there be?
           From: Gary Myers 
      3. Re: break-in parody now playing at musica
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      4. History Repeats Itself
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. Re: Larry Bright
           From: Gary Myers 
      6. Mauds / Trashmen
           From: Don H.  
      7. Kiki Dee sings Goffin/King
           From: Don H. 
      8. Re: Kyu Sakamoto
           From: Margaret G. Still 
      9. "Fine, Fine, Fine"
           From: Scott Shot 
     10. Re: using snippets
           From: Shawn 
     11. "Magic Moments" TV schedule update
           From: Paul Evans 
     12. Re: Peppermint Trolley
           From: JB 
     13. Re: Ronnie Evans, R.I.P.
           From: Matthew Kaplan 
     14. Re: Peppermint Trolley
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     15. Whither Shel Talmy?
           From: James Cassidy 
     16. Arthur Crier R.I.P.
           From: John Clemente 
     17. Dickie Goodman etc
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     18. Re: Brill Building questions / quick covers
           From: Will Stos 
     19. Re: Hi Ho Silver Throat!
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     20. Re: "A Summer Song"
           From: Joe Nelson 
     21. Re: using snippets
           From: Joe Nelson 
     22. Re: Songwriter royalties for medleys
           From: Steve Harvey 
     23. Re: Tell Me What He Said / Brill Building
           From: Brian Ferrari 
     24. Re: The Brigati Curse???
           From: Fred Clemens 
     25. Re: Nervous Breakdown
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:04:32 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Nervous Breakdown Phil M. wrote: > Was listening to my Legendary Masters: Eddie Cochran album the other > night when I noticed, for the first time, that the writing credit for > "Nervous Breakdown" was not to E.C. but rather to one Mario Roccuzzo. > I don't recall encountering this name before, and wonder if he had > any other credits to his name. I did a Google search on the name and > came up with a longtime Hollywood character actor, who I assume to be > the same Mario Roccuzzo. Don't know if Mario went on to screen fame or not. Here's the account of the genesis of "Nervous Breakdown" as it appears in the book "Don't Forget Me: The Eddie Cochran Story" by Julie Mundy and Darrel Highham: Before the year [1958] was over, [Eddie] had time to go back into the studio to record a song he'd written with a young would-be songwriter named Mario Roccuzzo. Roccuzzo was working at Wallich's Music City, a huge recrod store on Sunset and Vine in Hollywood. Eddie used to go there a lot, as did Corey Allen, a young actor who had become famous for playing the character Buzz in "Rebel Without a Cause." Allen was also acquainted with Jerry Capehart, so in no time at all Eddie and Mario Roccuzzo were introduced. Jerry, Corey and Mario went back to Corey's apartment on Sunset Strip and, while knocking back a few beers, Eddie and Mario wrote one of the greatest songs destined never to a hit for Eddie Cochran -- "Nervous Breakdown." "Eddie had his big ol' electric guitar with him," Mario remembers. "I sat down on the floor with him and I had the first beer of my life got a real buzz from that, and on a scrap of paper I wrote 'Nervous Breakdown.' I kept feeding the lines to Eddie. He'd say, 'Okay, give me another line,' and that's how I wrote it. I'd hand the lines to him: he'd sing 'em. Then he called me at Music City one day and said 'What are you doing in your lunch break?' I wasn't doing anything, so he said, 'Come on down to Goldstar.' "I went down there and he was recording 'Nervous Breakdown.' I was thrilled. This was the first song I'd ever written and here it was being recorded by Eddie Cochran -- who I thought was an absolutely tremendous talent. A real gentleman was what he was. He was unique, he was talented and he had his own sound, which was very, very good." > The song's publishing credit was also of some interest. Along with > Hill & Range, the song was co-published by Elvis Presley Music. My > understanding is that that company amassed its catalogue for the > primary function of being recorded by Elvis -- does that mean that > "Nervous Breakdown" was originally slated to be cut by him, yet > somehow "fell" to Cochran instead? Or did the administrator(s) of > E.P. Music also promote its catalogue to other artists (apart from > "sloppy seconds" of subsequent cuts after Elvis already had his way > with the material)? >From this account, it would seem that the first possibility is unlikely. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:55:52 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: How many fiddle-playing Japanese honky-tonkers could there be? > many fiddle-playing Japanese honky-tonkers could there be? I knew a Japanese c&w singer named Eddie Fukano. I think he was on Dot and I think he also appeared on that popular corny c&w TV show, the name of which eludes me at the moment. (But no, Fukano did not play fiddle and he was much more pop-country than honky tonk). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:12 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: break-in parody now playing at musica In light of our current discussion of break-in records, I have played to musica "Party From Outer Space," a very amusing parody of the genre, from Albert Brooks' "A Star Is Bought" LP. Music arranged by Andrew Gold, and with vocal by Linda Ronstadt. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: History Repeats Itself Originally David Brigati was the lead singer for the Starlighters. After a few flops they let Joey Dee sing one and suddenly they have a new lead singer. A couple of years later Eddie Brigati is singing and the Rascals singles are doing too much. Felix sings one and it's a hit. Now Felix is the lead. Must be the Brigati curse. In the Village Green Society book I'm reading they do mention that Rasa Davies harmonized on some of the Kinks stuff. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:11:51 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Larry Bright Country Paul: > I, too, am interested in knowing more ... Is everything he did in > that deep blues groove? Most of his stuff is blues-oriented, except for the ones written by the Tide owners. > What's the story behind the man, please? Well, the story is the one I did for Goldmine around 1990. Actually, I also reviewed all the L. Bright records that I had at the time, but GM didn't use that adition to the story. I can probably send that to you off-list, if you'd like it. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:08:01 -0000 From: Don H. Subject: Mauds / Trashmen I have the Mauds "Man Without A Dream" from the album "Hold On". It is not speeded up. On another note, I have had a version of what I thought was the Trashmen doing "Keep Your Hands Off My Baby". I recently got another, this one being much more surflike, so I know this one is for real. I don't remember where I got the other one from, so I'm thinking it may be mis-labled. Does anyone know if there are 2 versions of this song? Don H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:12:49 -0000 From: Don H. Subject: Kiki Dee sings Goffin/King Tom K: > While I'm here I thought I'd mention Kiki Dee ... I think it's a > crime that almost none of this has officially been rereleased on > CD, especially when we're talking about music of such quality as > I Was Only Kidding (an early Goffin-King song -- who else recorded > it?) ... "I Was Only Kidding", was done by Kiki Dee; Ann-Margaret; Helen Shapiro; and Molly Bee. I don't know of any others. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:14:34 -0000 From: Margaret G. Still Subject: Re: Kyu Sakamoto Lex: > This link will answer what you want to know: > Lex - thanks for that very good site. The album sounds kind of like a pop opera, though I can't say for sure, since I have no way of knowing whether the songs are meant to be related in the same way an opera's would be. If it had been conceived as a pop opera with his lost love at its center, that would be fabulous. If the whistler in "Sukiyaki" were Dean Martin, that would be even more fabulous. > the group Danny Iida and Paradise King who had a hit with U.S. > covers including Jimmy Jones' "Good Timin'" (on which KS sang). So the cut "Good Timin'" on the "Sukiyaki" LP was Danny Iida and Paradise King, with Kyu singing? This is a cover that deserves a greater cult status. Kyu adds his special touch to the song by doing a memorable vocal shiver of an "ooh" between every "ticka-ticka-ticka- ticka" and "timing". Margaret G. Still -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:55 -0500 From: Scott Shot Subject: "Fine, Fine, Fine" I have a question I bet someone here will be able to answer. Did anyone else record the Ikettes song "(He's Gonna Be) Fine Fine Fine"? I found two listings for the title by other artists (The Atlantics on Rampart and Judy Hughes on Vault) from the same year ('65). But I do not have either one. If you do, please let me know. Scott in Houston -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:41:04 -0000 From: Shawn Subject: Re: using snippets It's changed in the last 20 years but this is a major problem the reissuing of the old Canadian SCTV shows ran into recently. In the 80s they used popular songs frequently in their skits & now to get the clearance & licensing on even the smallest snippets would have cost millions. I haven't seen the new DVD box to see how they handled it but this was the major setback & what took so long for its release. Another case arose lately with a new song "Someone To Call My Lover" from Janet Jackson, who sampled the lead riff from America's "Ventura Highway" throughout the song for its hook. Just having that quick lick raked in some good royalties for Dewey Bunnell. When I've filled out BMI forms I've noticed that if you are using a commercial recording (even in the background of a movie), you have to license the song & pay royalties on the timed length of the recording used. (Example .085 cents on 1:20 of a song), then it gets into rights for in what countries you are distributing the movie & it can get quite costly of course. That's why you rarely hear a full song in a movie, but a matter of seconds...much cheaper! Overall, things were used rather freely a matter of 20 years ago (they used snippets in movies, Saturday Night Live, sitcoms, etc.) but now everyone wants their $$ for its use, and deservedly so. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:49:13 -0000 From: Paul Evans Subject: "Magic Moments" TV schedule update >From my site: Paul and his vocal group, Group 5ive, back up the stars on PBS's "MAGIC MOMENTS - THE BEST OF THE 50s POP". Take a trip back in time with Pat Boone, the McGuire Sisters, the Chordettes, Patti Page, The Four Lads, The Four Aces, The Four Coins, Mel Carter, Don Cherry, and more. ---------------------------------------------------------- The show will be broadcast in most areas on August 7th, 8th and 9th. Check your local PBS station's schedule for the exact date. ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:56:52 EDT From: JB Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley A Peppermint Trolley CD?? This sounds like the sort of project Joe Foster at Rev-Ola would love to handle! JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:13:53 EDT From: Matthew Kaplan Subject: Re: Ronnie Evans, R.I.P. Joe: Was Anthony "Dutch" Sciuto there as well, the Starlighter drummer and former superior court judge? Matthew Kaplan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:36:26 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Peppermint Trolley Shawn (Superoldies): Thanks for the information, I had been asking about the Peppermint Rainbow! But I agree wholeheartedly with you about the Peppermint Trolley Company. They did another side on Valiant that has to be great that I've never heard & if I'm not mistaken several other Acta sides that never even made it to their LP. I'll never forget the first time I heard "Trust" on the radio, in early September '68. What a beautiful Paul Williams-Roger Nichols tune, and so expertly performed by the Faraghers, Tornquist, et al......another 1968 chart bomb that still lives on in my heart and in the Spectropop annals of sunshine pop! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:43:29 -0400 From: James Cassidy Subject: Whither Shel Talmy? Artie Wayne inquired after the whereabouts of Shel Talmy. Artie, you can find him (including an email link) at Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:46:59 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Arthur Crier R.I.P. Sad News From the World of Rock & Roll It is with the utmost regret that I report that veteran singer and songwriter Arthur Crier passed away on Wednesday, July 21, 2004. Arthur (born 4-1-33) started his career singing with his friends in his neighborhood in The Bronx, NY. Arthur sang with a local group called the Five Chimes before moving on to Lillian Leach and The Mellows. Arthur's greatest success came when he sang as a member of The Halos. Arthur's distinctive bass can be heard on the opening of Curtis Lee's "Pretty Little Angel Eyes". Arthur, along with partners Gary Morrison and Al Cleveland have written songs for his own groups, as well as The Velours, Baby Jane & The Rockabyes, and Joan Jett & The Blackhearts. He has also written for and managed Barbara Jean English and his sister Shirley's group, The Darlettes. During the later part of his career, he continued to sing with The Mellows as well as The Morrisania Revue. Arthur was a nice gentleman and a true legend of Rhythm & Blues and Rock & Roll. He will be sorely missed. John Clemente -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:47:42 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Dickie Goodman etc OK, Dickie Goodman, you are forgiven. Anybody who could come up with something as hilarious as "Harry's Jockstrap" (even funnier than Allan Sherman IMO) can't be ALL bad! Caught lots of TV while on the road last week and a half. Saw the M&M "Color My World" ad. Looks a lot better than it sounds, if you ask me. Other contenders for Bobster's Utter Disgust a.k.a. Hope They're Making A Ton Of Money Off It: Hollies' "Air That I Breathe" has been recently convoluted into a 30-second spot, and Does It Really Matter Who has remade Fleetwood Mac's "Go Your Own Way" and turned it into a much slower, much more orgasmic little "tune." (Those are 7Ts songs and a little out of S'pop territory--Sorry). Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:25 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: Brill Building questions / quick covers Previously: > I am wondering how someone like Helen Shapiro in England would have > had access to songs by Jeff Barry and Bacharach. Would she have had > to physically have visited the Brill building or would her agent > have sussed out songwriters for her? Did the Brill songmakers > specifically write for individuals or did the songs go to the highest > bidder? I'm not terribly sure, but it seems sometimes writers would seek out such artists. Dusty Springfield was able to look through songs for her albums. A lot of times it seems British artists recorded these songs after a US act had recorded it first. Does anyone know what the turnaround time for these covers was? I've often read on this list that acts like Dionne Warwick were beaten to the British charts by domestic remakes. Did UK labels have people "on the inside" scouting out releases, or would they wait until a song became popular in the US before cutting a competing version? If there were some artists who had consist success, would they immediately cut a cover version? Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:50:29 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Hi Ho Silver Throat! Oh, here's what I forgot to reply about. (My brain is mush today, I've still got one foot on the travel accelerator.) Shatner and Nimoy's recordings of old standards and 6Ts folk-rock tunes are all hysterically funny and should be framed in gold at the Novelties Hall of Fame (if there isn't one already I'd be glad to make a contribution to its development!) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:58:56 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: "A Summer Song" Andrew C. Jones wrote: > The version of Chad & Jeremy's "A Summer Song" that I usually hear > on the radio has both voices singing together all the way through. > But I have a different version on an old vinyl album here at home; Steve; > This information comes directly from a Chad & Jeremy website: > > "The alternate take of "A Summer Song" was first issued in 1974 on > Sire Records "History of British Rock Volume 2", and is discernable > from the standard take in the first two lines, which are sung by > Jeremy and Chad separately." > > I presume that the two different version were recorded at the same > time, but, as usual when compilations are made, different versions > of old favourites turn up. It makes collecting vinyl so much more > interesting, don't you agree? It's a four track recording. Apparently Shel Talmy recorded the song both ways on parallel tracks, deciding it sounded better with both together throughout. Having *missed* the 60's (I'm 40), I was introduced to the song through those Sire compilations, so for many years all I knew was the overlapping version. Eventually I got a hold of the World Artists single, but I never played it so I wasn't aware there was a difference. The Sire LP was in better condition and in stereo to boot, so if I was doing a comp tape I'd pull that and use it. My father retired and moved away, forcing me into my own apartment. No room for records, so I had to put them in storage. Something happened and I lost everything. Not long after that I heard the "both together throughout" version on WCBS-FM. It took me years to track down another copy of that single so I could find out which was which. Is this a case of difference between the mono and stereo mixes? AFAIK the single version has always been mono, and the overlap was always stereo. Add that to the fact that Shel Talmy tended to mix in mono only to save money (he financed all this productions himself) and you have... further confusion... chaos... pain... Obsession.... Calvin Klein.... Allen Klein... Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:08:39 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: using snippets And yet, the Mr Jaws and Other Fables LP used a lot of re-recorded samples. I believe the more recent DG's Greatest Fables CD was remastered from discs. As someone pointed out to me a few years ago the original masters were edited with a block and tape: Lord knows what condition the tapes are in. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Songwriter royalties for medleys I remember reading in Rolling Stone in the early 70s about how Little Richard's manager had been listening to the Beatles' "Kansas City" and realized that they had merged it with Richard's "Hey Hey Hey Hey". He contacted Capitol and the Georgia Peach ended up with a nice royalty check as a result. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:30:45 EDT From: Brian Ferrari Subject: Re: Tell Me What He Said / Brill Building RE: Tell Me What He Said Let's not forget the Ginny Arnell version. What are the odds of her LP ever getting a CD release? Are there other recordings to flesh out the package? I just got the Paris Sisters Sing... Everything Under The Sun!! CD. It's a shame there weren't bonus tracks. With only 10 tracks, it should have been titled "The Paris Sisters Sing... for about 25 minutes." In a related note, my work occasionally takes me to the Brill Building - 9th floor. I was there the yesterday. It's the offices of Broadway Video - very nicely done. As far as I know, only the bathrooms have not changed. If these stalls could talk.... Brian Ferrari -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:18:54 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: The Brigati Curse??? Steve Harvey wrote: > Originally David Brigati was the lead singer for the Starlighters. > After a few flops they let Joey Dee sing one and suddenly they have > a new lead singer. A couple of years later Eddie Brigati is singing > and the Rascals singles are doing too much. Felix sings one and > it's a hit. Now Felix is the lead. Must be the Brigati curse. Not a total curse. Dave Brigati was originally the lead singer of the Hi-Fives, who had originally been known as the Shal-Vans before recording for Decca. The group had three releases for the label, most notably a song called "Dorothy". Though not an actual member (as far as I know), it has been said that Joey Dee sang background on some sides. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:25:29 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Nervous Breakdown Mike McKay wrote: > Don't know if Mario went on to screen fame or not. Here's the account > of the genesis of "Nervous Breakdown" as it appears in the book "Don't > Forget Me: The Eddie Cochran Story" by Julie Mundy and Darrel Highham: Thanks for the response, Mike -- it hits the nail on the head. I'm a bit embarrassed, though, as I own that book -- and recommend it highly, by the way -- but didn't think to look up the answer there. I found a page on Roccuzzo's acting career, with brief bio and several photos, at The bio, by the way, also references Corey Allen. Dig, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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